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9:12 AM
I don't usually do that, but... if others agree with me that this answer is legit then please vote to undelete. While I disagree with the answer content and downvoted, it's still a legit "opposition", and deleting it sends wrong message, IMO. /cc @rene @Glorfindel @Bart
@JourneymanGeek if you can edit it to remove the non relevant parts, it would be great, I'm not familiar enough with what's written there to decide.
 
Imo we should not be deleting criticism
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disagreeing with it sure but not deleting
 
Exactly.
Agree the comments there got somewhat heated, but still... not cause to delete the answer.
So worst case maybe lock the answer for the time being to prevent flame wars in comments.
 
@ShadowWizard I'm... not 'old' enough to see deleted posts yet, was this deleted by it's owner or a CM, or just 3 other people?
 
@Tinkeringbell 3 other people, otherwise I wouldn't have asked.
 
@ShadowWizard Ah. You were ahead of me then :P
 
9:19 AM
?
 
I was going to say that if it wasn't, it might probably be better to leave it deleted ;)
Also, I was curious XD
 
@ShadowWizard I've seen it but decided not to engage in this discussion in any way. I'm a bit busy right now.
 
Fair enough. :)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer: To understand the "The Bible is the Word of God" by user65368 on christianity.SE
 
9:32 AM
@ShadowWizard well, I was torn when I saw another mod (not Journey) reply there, explaining their rationale for delete voting. I didn't follow but also decided that I wouldn't prevent it. I agree criticism shouldn't be silenced but it has a place, somewhere. I don't think the first response to someone getting a job is to go in and tell the world how they are hated or what they have done wrong. If others thought it is fine to do, I would have shrugged it off. I won't undelete.
 
@ShadowWizard tbh I don't want to
 
2 mins ago, by Shadow Wizard
Fair enough. :)
Maybe I have too much faith in @ThorstenS. dunno.. I admit not being involved or know all the details.
 
Eh. I have a feeling there's a ton of subtext there
 
@rene The post does explicitly solicit feedback and criticism though
 
See the chat transcript he linked
 
9:35 AM
@ShadowWizard nor do I but this revision didn't help their case.
 
@rene so the answer can be edited to something like "I don't agree with her being hired, see [this chat room] for more details", and create a new room for discussing what did or did not happen?
 
@Mithrandir Mos Eisley? Isn't that the Before Shog name of the room?
 
@ShadowWizard I'm a room owner in TAS and I'm pretty sure I read the incident the day after it happened. Seems like unfair criticism to me, but also still criticism.
 
Also catija had nothing to do with mos
It was a consistently toxic environment folks tried to save and failed
 
@rene can't see what Shog removed or added, no diff in direct revision.
 
9:37 AM
@Magisch really? Questions about the stuff she's going to be working on, or questions in general? Let us know doesn't read to me as bring your pitchforks.
@ShadowWizard is your left mouse button broken ;) ?
 
@rene I feel "questions in general" covers that though
Although, the answers aren't formulated as questions
 
@rene right button actually not working for over a year :)
 
@ShadowWizard are you on Apple?
@Magisch that is a wide interpretation....
 
@rene nope
 
buy a new mouse then ....
 
9:41 AM
Bought wireless mouse it was utter crap... :/
Better half functioning mouse than mouse that is... just bad.
 
@ShadowWizard which brand?
I used to have a bluetooth mouse from MS and liked it a lot except for its hunger for batteries ...
is this close worthy: meta.stackexchange.com/q/313125/158100 and if yes, which reason?
 
@rene Yeah? Just generic off topic IMO
 
@Magisch questions in general.... like her favorite foods & drinks?
Dec 7 '17 at 8:43, by rene
@AndrewT. you could switch mouse keys?
hmm, wait, that worsen the situation in your case...
 
@Tinkeringbell hmm, but it is partly on-topic? what would it take for a monetized SE to succeed?
 
9:57 AM
@rene Hmmm... I parsed that as them referring to the other site as a monetized SE... I may have picked wrong...
 
Yeah, when you take that as their main question the close reason fits
It is the fact it has both aspects that makes it hard to decide if closure is warranted
 
@SomewhatMemorableName totally! ;)
@rene don't remember... Something cheap. :(
 
Never go cheap. It will cost you ...
 
eh. Can we leave that open long enough for me to answer? ;p
 
@rene nah... Legit to ask to monetize SE or make bounties work with real money. Not popular and will be downvoted to death, but shouldn't be closed, IMO.
 
10:07 AM
@JourneymanGeek sure /cc @ShadowWizard
 
So not off-topic? Okay. I removed the vtc
 
Cheers!
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, phone number detected in answer: GA Data Ownership Client / Account Owner by aol helps on webmasters.SE
 
also holy cow, that was a long time ago
 
10:22 AM
As the answerer, would you like to salvage the question in danger of closure?
 
lol
I'd need to chop off 75% of the question
 
chop chop chop ...
 
maybe more
 
I couldn't agree more...
 
also shrug
feel free to close it if you want lol
 
10:25 AM
your wish is 5 users' command...
 
So I could just have left my vote... this thing is confusing... and here I was thinking I was getting the hang of it :P
 
@Tinkeringbell take your time
 
Time? Huh? What's that? :P
 
Can eat anot?
 
It took me 3 years to get 'detectable' rep on MSE
 
10:29 AM
Slow....
 
took me another 5 to make sense of it
 
Hmmm. Maybe I shouldn't have congratulated Catija then :P
Looks like that'll be another two days of repcapping
 
why? ;p
ah lol
 
Took me 1 year to get close vote priv on MSE for reporting/"closing" Android app's bug reports.
Then the development was halted ._.
 
my condolences
tbh - its the one place where being a mod (outside SU) is handy since there's a broad class of questions a mod would have the scoop on.
 
10:37 AM
@JourneymanGeek Hmmm. I have yet to see one :P
 
like... diamond mod tools
 
@SomewhatMemorableName But I'm not supposed to let people know about those? :P
 
You and your shiny tools ... :(
 
Half of them are probably coated in three thick layers of dust because I've never used them yet ;)
 
All I can do is kick and that lasts a mere 30 seconds ....
 
10:41 AM
It's there... (also, some wrongly tagged question)
 
If you do it three times though, people will get notified ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell if I ever get elected as mod I'm going to try all the bells and whistles in the first hour after getting the diamond ...
 
@rene Good luck on finding someone to suspend within an hour :P That's one contentious election result then :P
 
@rene ... and the first tool would probably demodding yourself...
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body, potentially bad keyword in body: What is SEO Search engine optimization? by Faisal Zamir on superuser.com
 
10:43 AM
Also, if you're really lucky, you'll get elected + a diamond when you're asleep :P
 
I'll keep a shortlist of the havoc I want to cause ....
 
@rene you should run on SO
We could make a "Flower you can depend on" campaign and get you elected
 
a good chunk of moderating is just site meta and the queues
 
10:50 AM
like the invincible invisible Drupal mods
 
invisible or invincible?
 
3
Q: Community poll: Time for moderator elections?

No SssweatI've been on this site for over 4 years, and there hasn't been an election held. From my research, seems there hasn't been one for DA since 2012. I've nothing personal against them, and I hope they don't take this personal either. Their 32k reputation is much respected. From my time here, I c...

@JourneymanGeek autocarat
 
ah
a lot of mods actually report that their site activity goes waaaay down after mod-ness
 
@JourneymanGeek Makes sense, on any given day when visiting the site you usually have other things to do then to prowl questions to answer
Plus there is some things you can just not do as mod, for instance chain reviewing close votes or commenting / casting votes on every post
 
@Magisch I personally find it depends on the job (interesting work means more SU answers) and rep (not much game left past 100k)
 
11:02 AM
Reaching 100k on beta sites... will get generic SE swags?
 
no idea
I don 't think its possible?
 
44
Q: Are we abusing our delete votes on Meta?

user456814Someone posted this rant earlier today: Stack Overflow encourages people not to think So many rules that may work for 90% of the time, but there will always be edge cases where they fail. But whatever. If I ask an uncommon question here people are unable to conceive its use case...

 
@gnat some context would be nice
 
@YvetteColomb can you chime in here? It looks like something weird is going on with your @-replies without you noticing.
 
@JourneymanGeek maybe it's a new game: "Random Post of the Day". ;)
 
11:15 AM
;)
 
OK, my turn!
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Q: Removing recommendation requests from otherwise on topic questions

BSMPI was trying to get rid of some recommendation requests when I came across a question that had an on topic programming question in addition to the request for a tutorial. I edited it to remove the off topic request but found other questions with the same issue. At least one of them already had a...

 
@JourneymanGeek I guess the context is about answer deletion on Catija's congratulatory post...
@ShadowWizard this is a good topic!
 
lol totally random, promise!
 
@SomewhatMemorableName in which case - he should say so.
 
Shoot and run is... not ideal.
shooting @rene with water gun and running away
 
11:20 AM
watch both at once!
 
perhaps gnat's "Meta/dupe Post Finder 9000" was too sentient to even scanning chat's messages...
 
@rene maybe she copied the name and a space was copied by mistake too.
(probably mobile, where there isn't auto complete I think)
 
possible
 
Or some userscript which was supposed to make replying to comments easier (e.g. userscript that adds a reply icon) but got buggy...
But yeah, can't really know. :)
 
@​ShadowWizard well...
 
11:28 AM
hmm.. well, turns out it's easy to mis-copy a space:
She's fast!
 
user310756
 
2 hours ago, by Magisch
Imo we should not be deleting criticism
 
@YvetteColomb this totally explains the space in your comment replies! :D
 
user310756
@gnat agree. I sometime decline flags for delete comments on MSO, as it's someone's opinion that someone else doesn't agree with. Or even if it's critical of the network, they're entitled to their opinion as if everyone else.
 
@YvetteColomb This foal is plotting something
World domination, most likely
 
user310756
11:34 AM
@rene thanks. I didn't get this ping... hm ironic
 
imagining a Tim-like long, beautiful, complex, and detailed story for a horse foal ending a ping with space
 
user310756
@ShadowWizard que?
 
user310756
@Magisch she's so gorgeous and sooooo soft
 
(it's good enough to write 'horse' instead of 'fowl'...)
 
@YvetteColomb sounds like time for cuddles!
can one cuddle a foal?
or do they react poorly to that?
 
user310756
11:35 AM
oh yes!
 
@SomewhatMemorableName The Foal who Lost His Keys
 
user310756
well Mum won't let anyone else but me cuddle her at the moment
 
Yeh I'm using a script (or 26) and I noticed my comments are strange when I'm pinging people. I will go through the scripts and find the culprit. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 1 min ago
Knew it!
 
user310756
I rest my face on her, wrap my arms around her, pat and scratch her. Pick up all her feet and touch and handle her all over, so she's used to being handled and not touchy about certain areas being touched
 
proud for not using any scripts that cause unexplained problems at unexpected times
 
user310756
11:37 AM
@ShadowWizard hey! <insert some funny come back>
 
now I picture you carrying a small foal
 
user310756
she's bit. Almost to my chest!
 
@YvetteColomb :P
 
user310756
my other foal, he lets me do the same. I pat him and snuggle him
 
user310756
@ShadowWizard the lazy person's come backs ;)
 
user310756
11:39 AM
oh @rene I just got your chat ping 28 mins later
 
@YvetteColomb lazy? Now stuck in infinite Kinder Egg loop!
 
user310756
@ShadowWizard you can so tell you have young kids lol
 
My baby daughter took one (empty) and closed it... then asked me to open. Then closed it again and asked me to open. Etc. Etc... halp!
:D
 
user310756
in my case it's "can I have your card details" (bank card)
 
user310756
@ShadowWizard condolences Another great person's brain is turned to blubber from parenting
 
11:44 AM
@YvetteColomb lol... soon it will become obsolete, all payments will be done via the "phone". ;)
 
user310756
 
Seems like the horses are also seeking shade in the face of a heatwave
 
user310756
@ShadowWizard for ubers and pizzas - all online/mobile network
 
@YvetteColomb we blame caching ...
 
user310756
@Magisch winter here
 
11:45 AM
@YvetteColomb yup that's now... in the future any shop will charge via some app.
 
user310756
they were all tied up, as they had their feet trimmed
 
user310756
@ShadowWizard they already do
 
@ShadowWizard ? Don't get it. The only thing I know is that Kinder Egg are illegal in America because they fear the kids would eat the surprise.
 
user310756
but you still need to link your bank to it
 
user310756
@Derpy roflmao
 
11:46 AM
@Derpy illegal??? lol...
@Derpy will try making vid if she'd let me
 
And that "recently" they changed the surprise container because the new one is supposedly more "safe" (I SUPPOSE because the old two part ones could be used to shoot part of the cap if you pressed them on the joint line)
@ShadowWizard kinder EGGS are still illegal
they recently made Kinder JOY legal in the USA
 
There are so many small things babies can put into their mouth... banning kinder eggs is just... stupid, sorry.
Parents can take care of their children.
 
 
oh, I don't like those ^
But because they melt easily.
Not fitting Israel at all.
 
the idea is that the kinder joy has the surprise in a separate "bag".
So you eat one half with the small spoon and the surprise is in the other one.
 
11:52 AM
uh oh baby in kitchen, brb
 
@gnat possibly. I did feel there were major issues with the question - the comments thread... was pretty bad, and I don't particularly feel it was inappropriate
 
@ShadowWizard 29$ and you can have the perfect solution to your problems
 
Feel free to flag, and if a CM wishes to have a chat with me about the reasoning here, or elsewhere for it being deleted, I'm cool. I will not be throwing it a vote to undelete.
 
@Derpy lol :D
@JourneymanGeek to be clear, I'm fine with you deleting, and note I never asked you to reverse your decision. All good, as far as I'm concerned, it's really OK to have different views and opinions.
Let's see if I can upload the vid...
 
12:11 PM
@ShadowWizard oh. No worries on your side
 
And sorry if I seem a bit snippy. Annoyed by multiple people
 
@JourneymanGeek :)
@JourneymanGeek :(
Who? Where?
 
Eh. It's fine
 
Yeah, you didn't lol for long time...
tickling @Journeyman
 
12:15 PM
@ShadowWizard this reminds me some weird situations when playing "toss the ball" with a cat.
It usually end up with you bringing the ball back, only to have the cat kick it away again.
Basically, the exact opposite of what would happen with a dog.
 
@Derpy lol yeah... cats are much like babies... ;)
 
12:33 PM
@Anne congrats on reaching 1k! :D
 
@Sha when you got the swag, did you paid any customs duty?
 
Hello together.
Just some questions answering.
Just some things: Shog's edit "Be honest" was replacing "People were getting uneasy and dropped hints that they don't want this discussion anymore" with "People were getting bored and asking me to stop pushing them". As Shog is anglophone and I dare a guess that he may interpret the discussion better, I had no objections.
 
Hai
 
12:49 PM
I am ok that the post is deleted; at the time I left it had 31 downvotes and 21 upvotes, sometimes the total count was only -3. So enough people have seen it and I was surprised that it survived as long.
 
@ShadowWizard Thanks
 
@AnneDaunted technically delete votes could work too
 
I can't vote to delete
 
@rene and @ShadowWizard couid
 
12:51 PM
I just wanted to bring it to attention not order you to vote like that
 
@Catija congrats.
Added her on the wheel jsfiddle.net/sagarvd01/0bc27r6g
@Sha @Jour
19 mins ago, by Optimus Prime
@Sha when you got the swag, did you paid any customs duty?
 
Is there also a Wheel of Shame?
 
1:08 PM
@JourneymanGeek there was one earlier here same user.
 
@AnneDaunted I like the answer you wrote for Catija a lot! Nice way of saying it :)
 
@ShadowWizard let me read through. Don't know what's going on there
 
@AnneDaunted one mistake can happen, on the second time it comes close to abuse ...
 
Morning... thanks :D :yawn:
 
@Tinkeringbell Thanks! I originally didn't plan to write an answer, i thought upvoting would be enough
 
1:11 PM
@Catija working from home is great, eh?
 
@rene I thought I saw the picture once already: Not saying it was abuse, just NAA
 
@AnneDaunted I've upvoted almost everything there, just thought yours deserved a little more in comparison to the rest ;)
 
I'm still adjusting. I like it so far.
 
@Catija Maybe the answers to this question could be of help. :-)
 
@AnneDaunted yeah, that user is relative new, they might be confused. NAA is fine. I casted a delete vote out of the queue.
it is now mod CM deleted ;)
 
1:19 PM
... meh, it already had two delete votes.
 
ABUSE!!!
2
 
@JourneymanGeek you linked to the question instead to the answer..
@Catija hey, was it your first mod action on MSE? ^
Anyway, can you see their deleted post here? Might be some cross network troll posting such useless posts all over.
 
Depends on what you call "mod actions"...
 
@OptimusPrime nope, not sure about the rules but think we pay tax only if the net worth is above some threshold or the weight is over some other threshold.
 
@ShadowWizard Same thing, few days ago: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312850/…
 
1:26 PM
@Catija huh. So.. suspension time? Or just nuking the accounts? Obviously, that's not someone who will become a positive member.
@Catija deleting posts.... ;)
 
@Bart's already accusing me of abuse... I think I'll hold off for the moment.
 
@Bart it had been awhile since you were on the starboard ....
 
@ShadowWizard Then, yes, that was the first post I've deleted.
 
@OptimusPrime lol
 
Don't worry, I have some stars saved in the freezer for when they start to run out @rene
 
1:28 PM
:D
 
Especially considering the post's content, you could speak of deflowering
 
@Bart no worry... even if you'll agree with me, we're missing a third undeleter.
@Catija congrats!
 
It has been undeleted by now @ShadowWizard?
 
From my point of view deflowering is a bit ...scary ...
 
@AnneDaunted boooo
 
1:30 PM
@Bart oh really?? let's see...
nope, still deleted with single undelete vote
 
Hmm, okay, something is borked on my end.
Myeah, refresh
 
smashing cache with @Bart's Smiting Stick
 
@rene you could use more flowery language to describe it
 
Looking at the answer, the last paragraph steers it off the cliff for me @ShadowWizard. I'll let it stand as is.
 
@OptimusPrime nope
 
1:34 PM
And if all fails, you can always plant some C4
 
When in doubt, C4
 
@OptimusPrime the declared value is pretty low too
@OptimusPrime there's a few stories of swag getting lost in transit to india tho
 
@all Could someone look who deleted the comment thread under Masked Man's answer in meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313086/…
 
@ThorstenS. Give them some time ;) Tim just posted a comment :P
 
1:50 PM
@JourneymanGeek but got a call from DHL today saying I've to pay 860 INR as duty.
 
Digital ocean send a swag via postal service and I didn't have to pay anything.
 
Depends on what gets sent.
 
and maybe where
 
@TimPost that was a t shirt and few stickers.
 
1:52 PM
860 INR sounds like a lot
 
If we're able to lowball the value (e.g $1 for a single shirt) you usually don't have to pay duties. But if it's multiple items, our warehouse (by policy) puts the actual value on it, or your customs department will hold the package claiming fraud on the declaration.
 
@JourneymanGeek One of my friend told me he had to pay 2400 INR as duty to receive a swag shirt for a security issue from a US company
 
When I lived in The Philippines it was such an enormous pain to ship large amounts of swag, and my house was the 'hub' for all events in Asia.
 
@TimPost shoulda found someone here ;)
 
1:54 PM
Fortunately, we partnered with a non-profit for programmers there (DevCon PH), and they were at least able to claim the duties as an expense (even though we paid them). It was hundreds of dollars per quarter at times.
 
ah, clever
 
That's why the international sites set up production in their respective areas, Brazil was charging us twice the value of a T shirt to ship it, so Gabe just found someone that wanted to start a printing company and we essentially just financed it.
 
@TimPost Brazil has mad taxes
 
@TimPost Do you think it was a good idea to introduce the new CM like that? It gave several people the opportunity to attack her.
 
@JourneymanGeek yeah. The daily wage of most of the people are 600 INR.
 
1:56 PM
I heard about things like games consoles costing four times what they do in home markets
 
@TimPost that's a good idea.
 
@Magisch there's a brazillian guy on SU...
and that's true
 
@AnneDaunted They would have the same opportunity on the blog, to be honest, and we'd have lesser moderation and accountability at our disposal.
 
apparently in some cases, its cheaper to fly to the US, buy a thing, and fly back, than to have it shipped over
 
We're going to be introducing a blog 'archetype' on MSE soon.
 
1:57 PM
@TimPost my apologies for any... meddling in that case.
... what's an archetype?
 
@JourneymanGeek 0_0 That's . . . quite something.
 
A way to alter functionality subtly to serve a slightly different purpose.
 
@HDE226868 brazillian duties ;)
@TimPost almost like... that plan ages back to mod the SE engine to do blogs too?
 
Have to ask money from father. :-(
 
@TimPost Okay. Sorry, I am just a bit shocked (maybe I'm too sensitive) at the slander being posted there
 
1:59 PM
@AnneDaunted in most cases the attacks were... probably not something many of us expected
 
@JourneymanGeek International shipping sounds like a big bowl of "ouch".
 
and were quite unhappy about
@HDE226868 depends
 
Well, let me spell out the problem. The SO blog is now professionally managed, designers work with everyone posting to produce graphics and stuff, and the audience is more people following what the company is doing than people actively using the sites.
 
SE's sent me a ton of swag over time, and most of it gets here.
 
So, it takes ... 3 weeks to schedule just a single short blog post, because there are so many posts in the queue to go out
 
1:59 PM
@TimPost ... ow...
 

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