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Mark Amery

12:00 AM

Why would we be down a CM? If we lost one, that's news to me.

Journeyman Geek

Ana left

Mark Amery

I'm only loosely familiar with the idea that we have CMs other than Shog, TBH. I don't have a clear grasp of what the role is.

Oh. I don't know who they were, actually. But okay.

Journeyman Geek

Are you at least aware of Juan's new team?

Mark Amery

... nope.

Journeyman Geek

....

Dude

Mark Amery

12:02 AM

I know there's a person called Juan, because they were mentioned in the blog post about Catija :P

Journeyman Geek

I was annoyed. Now I am disappointed

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

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Q: New Resources for Our Stack Exchange Network

It's nice to be here! Hello, fellow humans! My name is Juan M and I’ve served as the Community Manager of Stack Overflow en español as well as the Manager for the International Stack Overflow communities. I realize that many of you have never heard of me or my roles at Stack Overflow and that’s ...

Journeyman Geek

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Q: New Resources for Our Stack Exchange Network

It's nice to be here! Hello, fellow humans! My name is Juan M and I’ve served as the Community Manager of Stack Overflow en español as well as the Manager for the International Stack Overflow communities. I realize that many of you have never heard of me or my roles at Stack Overflow and that’s ...

discussion stackexchange announcements community-managers

Go read that please

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Duplicate link

Journeyman Geek

@MarkAmery this is part of a pretty real problem

Mark Amery

12:04 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I'm pretty sure the first time I learned that we had other CMs was when I saw the term used in the plural in chat in this room a few weeks ago

If I hadn't started wandering in here due to concerns about the "welcoming" stuff, I'd never have learned; I always just thought Shog was THE Community Manager. I've never stumbled across the term used in the plural on any Meta anywhere.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija, Juan and whoever else they have on that team are pretty much - hopefully going to more directly engage the community

Ya. Not even mad.

There are quite a few others

Mark Amery

oooooooh meta.stackexchange.com/q/99338/200582

Journeyman Geek

Yup

The role has changed a lot and there's been a lot less visibility...

So slightly dick things to say mode on...

Basically they've been focused quite a bit on the backend and Q&A hasn't been a focus for years.

and the whole "welcoming" thing could have been better communicated

Here's the nice thing. With Juan and Catija's team around - it means there's CMs whose job is to solely keep a finger on the pulse of the community

I mean, compare the first and second draft of the COC

I actually got a slightly sheepish response to critiques of the SU design.

So, yeah, I do think its entirely fair to say - folks want the same thing.

and recent changes make it easier for folk to be heard

Sorry for tearing your head off @MarkAmery :)

Mark Amery

My head still feels attached, @JourneymanGeek, don't worry

The links were helpful

Journeyman Geek

12:21 AM

and I'm a bit... annoyed at Ms Wensel

Shog9

@MarkAmery that's on us. Our job is... In a nutshell... "Be visible". That's why we make such a big deal about new hires - the intent is that you'll see them around.

Journeyman Geek

In some ways, I get her intent, but at least as far as the network goes, she's made it a little more difficult for someof the folks she supposedly wanted to help

Shog9

@JourneymanGeek polemics tend to have that effect.

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 it does

I'm not trying to win over her though. I'm trying to change @MarkAmery's point of view just a little ;)

Mark Amery

@Shog9 FWIW, Tim and Jon at least are visible on Meta Stack Overflow - I've had long and (I think, usually) interesting arguments with both of them. It's not about them being invisible or not communicating things clearly to the community - it's just that I didn't know they had the job title they do.

Journeyman Geek

12:24 AM

@Shog9 heh, from the mod's eye view - eh, I feel terrible complaining when y'all arn't knowing there's a bunch of other pressures.

@MarkAmery and that's visibility

I suppose I have the benefit of interacting with many of them in... less crazy times and as a mod.

Also. CMs are the folks we rely on when things get bad and we can't deal with things.

Shog9

@MarkAmery part of the problem there is that we don't - as a group - talk about our internal process enough. It's a fine balance, to be sure; most folks do not care... But if we never talk about it, that leaves us open to an adversarial relationship with the sites' membership rather than the collaborative one we'd want.

Mark Amery

12:41 AM

@JourneymanGeek Re: Wensel... one of the things about her commentary that frustrated me most was the implicit assumption that answerers here are just vastly superior to askers in terms of both knowledge and emotional strength. Suggested comment rewordings like twitter.com/aprilwensel/status/974859256217321472 make me shudder. It has the sort of tone you'd only consider posting if you presume yourself to be in a asymmetric relationship, rather than working with one of your equal peers.

And the complaints about the "unpaid emotional labour" being done by critics of the community... like, gee, have you noticed that that's exactly the thing you're asking for from others, ma'am?

Shog9

@MarkAmery worth remembering that she doesn't use SO, has never used SO, and almost certainly has no idea who uses it / how it works. She's pretty up-front about the fact that all of her criticisms are based on second-hand info.

Mark Amery

But... she's a developer, right?

Journeyman Geek

@MarkAmery and?

Shog9

:shrug:

Mark Amery

She may not have an account, but don't basically all developers use Stack Overflow?

Shog9

12:44 AM

Naw

Journeyman Geek

There's a marketing target, and there's a community

Shog9

Some folks have really good social networks.

And... Some folks even still read books

Journeyman Geek

I don't even know HOW there's a community - SE's kinda counter intuitive in that

@MarkAmery I think the best things I can do for people I... disagree with is either prove them wrong or take away the hold they have on me.

Mark Amery

Even when working in languages I have years of experience in, using parts of the standard library I've used before... I still usually Google for how to do things multiple times per day. Maybe April Wensel just has a much better memory than me? :P

Journeyman Geek

I don't want to focus on a random twitter person. I want to focus on the real people around me and making the sites I am on better for them

Shog9

12:47 AM

lazyweb

== English == === Etymology === lazy +‎ Web === Proper noun === lazyweb (Internet, informal, humorous) The World Wide Web, personified as a being that will answer the questions of those who are too lazy to do their own research. 2008, "Ricardo SIGNES", dear lazyweb: hashref instead of objects (on newsgroup perl.moose) 2009, "Jonno Downes", lazyweb request for reusable menu code (on newsgroup comp.sys.apple2.programmer)...

Mark Amery

... Or is very fast with the index section of her reference books. Or is very willing to repeatedly nag an indulgent coworker. :P

Shog9

Very well-connected people can literally just ask the Internet when they have a question.

Journeyman Geek

@MarkAmery or passively consumes information

@MarkAmery so...

I had to deal with a very unpleasant individual recently.

He basically went off on one of my female chat users. Commented on someone's age...

then tried to gaslight me.

claiming I chased her off, when I'd actually spoken to her off site to make sure she was ok

Mark Amery

@JourneymanGeek Agreed on this point. Wensel makes an easy figure of hate because she's an embodiment of lots of ideas many in the community (me included) are opposed to... but for the same reason, she's probably not a productive focus point for either side

Journeyman Geek

I... asked him to leave. He did, then came back and tried to pull the same bull...

I suspended him.

I'd have done the same for a 60 year old male.

Mark Amery

12:52 AM

@JourneymanGeek I am always cautious of claims about gaslighting within a conflict. How do you distinguish between someone who is trying to gaslight you and someone who is themselves deluded about what happened?

Journeyman Geek

@MarkAmery easy figure of hate... so... someone's Emmanuel Goldstein?

@MarkAmery I looked up the chat transcript

and you look at the big picture

and a pattern of abuse

Shog9

@MarkAmery Occam's razor. Lots of folks will tell you things you know aren't true, but it takes a special person to tell you something you also know they know isn't true.

Journeyman Geek

@MarkAmery don't forget, this is on chat

I gave him the benefit of the doubt and looked at the transcript.

Shog9

Yes, it's still possible that they're THAT delusional... But the simpler explanation is that they're trying to pull a fast one.

Journeyman Geek

(for the record, I've only asked people to leave... well three people to leave, one keeps coming back tho)

Shog9

12:55 AM

marvin k mooney?

Journeyman Geek

In... erm... 8 years of being a RO

Mark Amery

@Shog9 I frequently find the two hard to distinguish. Finding ways to interpret other people's actions as aggression to justify a fight with them is... a very human thing to do.

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 oh, you know this one. Recycle?

Shog9

@MarkAmery aggression isn't quite what I'm talking about though

Journeyman Geek

@MarkAmery in a sense, I look at the health of the community, more than any one person. Some people leaving would be a loss. Some folks are just toxic and need to be asked politely to stop with the BS or leave.

SmokeDetector

12:57 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, pattern-matching website in answer: Would the thesis / research proposal become part of the MA thesis or PhD dissertation later on? by Rod Pallister on academia.SE

Journeyman Geek

and sadly sometimes politely encouraged to not show their face again, ever.

Shog9

the situations I most often run into are more along the lines of... Someone being obnoxiously "clever".

in the, uh, pejorative sense of the word

Mark Amery

@JourneymanGeek I don't disagree with this in principle.

Journeyman Geek

@MarkAmery big difference with SE and me is - as a mod, and an individual, I have the "benefit" of looking at the small picture.

I deal with immediate issues mostly - and influence not set policy

Mark Amery

@Shog9 A sense I use frequently. Sometimes I'll put some code up for review and remark "I'm concerned that this might be clever"

Shog9

12:59 AM

:)

Journeyman Geek

Writing policy is hard.

Shog9

Honestly... This is one of those areas where encouraging folks to use their judgement... Empowering folks to use their judgement... Tends to work better than more rules.

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Shog9

SE is, by and large, self-organizing. That works really well when folks have clear goals, and really badly when they don't.

The danger then, is that policy will either 1) get in the way of folks organizing around goals, or 2) make those goals hard to identify in the first place.

You can find examples of both every day on meta:
1) the "downvote answers to bad questions" crew gets in the way of our prime objective: answering questions.
2) the first revision of the CoC (and plenty of tangential discussions fore and aft) muddy the waters around that same objective.

Mark Amery

I'm not sure I'd quite frame "answering questions" as the "prime objective"

Shog9

1:04 AM

This is, incidentally, why we're paying such close attention to feedback from y'all in these discussions - it accomplishes precisely nothing to come up with a shiny document if in the process we leave a bunch of folks confused about what they're even doing here.

Mark Amery

Creating useful Q&A pairs and making them findable for future readers is the prime objective

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 With regards to this question I proposed for the Developer Survey, you previously said you had no comment. Does your position still stand?

Mark Amery

Answering questions is typically useful towards that

Shog9

@MarkAmery that's our, uh, mission as it were... But it is necessarily emergent behavior. We trust that answering questions will lead to it, if the questions are clear and the answers are informative.

Mark Amery

Right, but the entire line of reasoning behind the "downvote answers to bad questions" is that sometimes answering questions can be actively detrimental to that mission

Either through encouraging bad questions that consume time and drive away answerers

Or through directly polluting search results with bad content

I'm not sure I'm persuaded by that

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

1:06 AM

@MarkAmery What do you think of that? It has to do with what users think SE's ideology of answering questions should be.

Mark Amery

But I feel as though they're not muddying the prime objective - just disagreeing on how best to achieve it

Shog9

@MarkAmery I've never really bought into that. Plenty of bad questions even when folks don't answer them. Arguably bad askers stick around even when answers are lean, because they have no other hope; it's the folks who have other options who leave when they don't get answers.

@MarkAmery that's absolutely true, but it's even more true for reasonable questions. A bad answer is a bad answer regardless of the context.

The advantage of a bad answer to a bad question is that it's easier to delete.

Mark Amery

@Shog9 I find this stuff hard to judge because I'm conscious that I'm very different to the site's prolific answers

Shog9

@MarkAmery this is something I've kinda just observed over the years. I'll admit, it's not entirely intuitive.

Mark Amery

I pretty much never answer anything from the front page

I barely ever click through to anything from the front page

Shog9

1:09 AM

But... There are literally shops hiring programmers fresh out of college, with not very good educations, and giving them - as their total sum of training - a link to Stack Overflow and instructions on how to get past quality checks.

Mark Amery

And so any time anyone makes an argument based on how something will affect the front page

Whether it's "We must deter bad questions to keep them off the front page" or "We must not allow frivolous edits because they bump things to the front page"... I kinda just have to remind myself that people actually use that

Shog9

Does Anyone Actually Visit Stack Overflow’s Home Page?

David Robinson on March 09, 2017

Yesterday we were amused to see this post on Reddit’s sysadmin forum:

Our architecture lead Nick Craver looked into this and gave a great answer, including that about 29% of the previous day’s Stack Overflow traffic was to the home page.

From his perspective as a system administrator, that’s exactly the right analysis. Nick’s team has to ensure the site renders reliably and quickly, so counting the number of requests make sense. However, as a data scientist I’m more interested in how users view the site, and the vast majority of our traffic comes from automated traffic, including search engines and scrapers. …

@MarkAmery they mostly don't

Journeyman Geek

@MarkAmery I think the average user... dosen't answer questions or asks questions ;p

and SO's front page apparently dosen't suffer from bumping being an issue cause its fo fast moving

Catija

@MarkAmery I hear a lot of these arguments on non-SO sites where questions sit around for hours or days...

Even at slow times, SO's front page only sits around for a few minutes.

Mark Amery

@JourneymanGeek Sure, but I think (based on what I see people said on Meta) that most high-rep users answer stuff from the front page

Journeyman Geek

1:12 AM

ehh

everywhere else

Shog9

@Catija not even that. The homepage is customized per user, so if you're logged in chances are you're not even seeing the same homepage as most other folks.

Journeyman Geek

there's a good reason SO has a very comprehensive set of filters

SO kinda works... differently

Mark Amery

My front page goes back 4 hours, apparently!

... and yet most of the questions are zero-score, and many are negative

Shog9

@MarkAmery yeah, it's customized but the customization is kinda crap

Mark Amery

Like, the site decided to go back literally hours to find things to show me, and didn't even decide to disproportionately pick out positively-scored stuff?

Shog9

1:15 AM

that was, IIRC, an intentional choice way, waaaay back when the answered % started falling

it was... probably short-sighted

Mark Amery

TBF it depends on what I want to do

if I just wanted to downvote and closevote stuff, it'd be great :P

(and also, I would be wasting my life.)

Journeyman Geek

lol

"Also I would be wasting my life"

Shog9

very, very early on - like, the first few months of SO's existence - Jeff & Joel had a conversation on one of their podcasts about the purpose of the homepage

Journeyman Geek

Which is why I find trying to find the super awesome stuff is worth it as much as kvetching over the bad stuff.

Shog9

and one of the big takeaways was: it should be, among other things, a place where you can go over lunch & find something informative to read and learn from.

We kinda forgot that along the way, I think.

Journeyman Geek

1:18 AM

@Shog9 hard part is - how would you scale that to how SO is now?

I think the smaller sites, and (for all its detractors) HNQ kinda work for that

(heck, at my last job, I used to hide out in a quiet area over lunch, set my phone to silent, and hit the SU and MSE front pages ;) )

Or I suppose, how do you get the right posts (and a few potentially sernendipitious ones) in front of the right eyeballs.

Mark Amery

Paging through stackoverflow.com/… it looks like we get about 25 questions per day that get to score 5 or above

Shog9

@JourneymanGeek I have a script running internally that calculates a heat score for the top bugs on every meta site across the network, assigns a heat score to the tags attached to those bugs, and gives me every week a nice list of the trending bugs in each of the buggiest tags.

Mark Amery

They'd be candidates for "something informative to read" over lunch, I guess

Shog9

It's not rocket science. We could do this for subcommunities on SO.

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 I don't use SO, and so this is going to be a dumb question but - how easy is it to actually find just a subcommunity?

I've always assumed its a firehose like everywhere else

Shog9

1:23 AM

BTW, how many of y'all know there's a "hot answers list" for every tag?

Journeyman Geek

Not me

Shog9

that has existed for like 8 years

Mark Amery

not me

Shog9

created specifically for this purpose

and then tucked away where no one can find it

Mark Amery

anyway, I must sleep

good chatting to y'all

Shog9

1:24 AM

'nite!

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 that feels like.. a waste of dev or CM time

Not that it was created, that folks build stuff no one ever sees

Shog9

@JourneymanGeek don't worry, I'm gonna hit one of our designers with it some day when they're feeling particularly cocky about how great the site is organized

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 this might take a while ;p

Shog9

indeed

Journeyman Geek

the fallout from the left nav's probably gonna be bad

Shog9

1:26 AM

not as bad as sites like WB, WP, Money and EL&U losing their designs

Journeyman Geek

and the site designs... occationally miss elements folks care about a lot for the sake of simplicity

@Shog9 well, I think I gave Joe a harder time than I've given any SE employee ever over SU's, and I encouraged WB to demand that they get to keep their robot/alien....

@Shog9 well, less Jin's fantastic old designs than elements of the old designs that probably ought to be kept.

(I will miss WB's old design :( )

HDE 226868

@JourneymanGeek I'm . . . amazed at how quickly the community decided to care about Slartibotfast the robot. I don't think we've ever agreed on something that strongly.

Journeyman Geek

@HDE226868 XD. Mascots matter man. mascots matter.

HDE 226868

If only we could get policy discussions done with that sort of enthusiasm. We need mascots for scope changes and tag cleanup.

Journeyman Geek

XD

Shog9

1:30 AM

@HDE226868 this explains an awful lot about the past few years of security disclosures

Journeyman Geek

Quite

HDE 226868

@Shog9 I have to agree.

Journeyman Geek

Have cute logo, funny name and website, will travel!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2:41 AM

chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/240502/… (@Shadow)

@YvetteColomb Haven't seen animal pictures in a while

Something Bad Happened

3:02 AM

@Catija Something Good Happened. Congrats.

Catija

Thanks :)

Journeyman Geek

3:39 AM

@HDE226868 funny thing is SU is very very enthusiastic about tag cleanups

The trick is clever smartass titles.

We're likely to never really need major scope changes

HDE 226868

3:56 AM

@JourneymanGeek Well, you moderate a more normal site. :P

Journeyman Geek

@HDE226868 "normal"

older, broader scoped

When you have a really broad scope, the filler hides all the dings ;)

HDE 226868

Well, we probably deal with every subject under the Sun, to be honest.

We have questions on towels as a weapon, bear cavalry, Santa and the GDPR. . .

Our list of past migrations is . . . diverse.

Feeds

Life hack: Wait for an advanced civilization to be briefly distracted, then sneak in and construct a slightly smaller Dyson sphere inside theirs.

Journeyman Geek

4:19 AM

....

That timing...

Magisch

5:02 AM

mornin

Kevin B

5:20 AM

hi

SmokeDetector

5:45 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: recording audio or video from google hangouts by Alfree on askubuntu.com

user310756

6:06 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog :)

user310756

Magisch

Seems like the drama from TAS comes to haunt the entire network now

Second post about that on the mse post

Shadow Wizard

TAS?

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch sigh

Shadow Wizard

So hard to remember all of those...

Journeyman Geek

6:17 AM

The awkward silence

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek should I stop talking about it?

Shadow Wizard

Chat room of IPS... Oh

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch eh, I've had words with people.

Thankfully not always the first words I wanted to say

Magisch

I feel a lil responsible for the backlash since I'm also a room owner there

Journeyman Geek

naw

Shadow Wizard

6:19 AM

Well if a chat room is causing lots of trouble to many and it can't be solved by the room owners and the site mods... Better close the room and be done with. Harsh but save lots of grief in the long run.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard errr

I mean, its not really an issue with the chatroom as a whole

I've been there, its ok, and I know all about SE chatrooms ;)

Magisch

6:33 AM

@JourneymanGeek A lot of people seem to intensely dislike TAS and IPS in general. It's referred to as "the place that shall not be named" in some other rooms. I've stopped going there as a result

It becomes tiring to defend your participation in the site every day.

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch heh, I kinda think IPS is an odd fit for SE in many cases

but...

I've also heard folks say it does a lot of good.

rene

coffee?

Magisch

!!/tea

SmokeDetector

@Magisch brews a cup of mint tea for @Magisch

Journeyman Geek

I guess that almost counts as tea ;)

Journeyman Geek

6:50 AM

cvplz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313115/…

rene

7:03 AM

@JourneymanGeek ^ now delv-pls 20K / cc @Glorfindel

Journeyman Geek

@rene @Glorfindel meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313117/… cv-plz

rene

needs one more

Tinkeringbell

@rene Done

rene

awesome then we are in delv-pls mode now ..

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard ...That's not really applicable to The Awkward Silence; the rooms itself isn't the issue. Entirely different from the Mos Eisley situation.

Journeyman Geek

7:17 AM

So...

One of the folks on SFF asked me if I could take a look

I think the moment I joined, someone attacked me for being a mod

and generally you couldn't do the usual tricks for getting chat ... well behaved

In about a week, I quit, and basically decided it was not fixable.

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Oh, you weren't even around at that time, I think Catija organised the mutiny after that ;)

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell I remember several incidents that could have spurred this commentary

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard :( The regular people in TAS are the most amazing people I ever worked with, it's the occasional malcontent passing by that causes the trouble

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell that's true of many well regulated chats

Magisch

For some reason there is some really deep dislike for our chatroom and IPS in general. More then I've seen for any other site on the network really.

Journeyman Geek

7:21 AM

RA's a lovely lot, and have a ton of community spirit.

@Magisch haters gonna hate :)

Magisch

It's not quite as easy to dismiss as that

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Have a theme song: youtube.com/watch?v=Qw3Z8Oa7E3Y :P

Journeyman Geek

(haters gonna find warm gifts in their shoes, inexplicable trippage...)

Mithrandir

@JourneymanGeek Yep. Even as a regular of Mos since before I became a mod I experienced that.

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I've had people tell me this was the same for the workplace when it just started out.

Journeyman Geek

7:23 AM

@Magisch more seriously - for most part, I find its better to focus on the people you can reach and get through to

I'm sure there's a small and growing number of people who dislike any given site mod, or staff member or site

A few folks get over it.

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell so just kick/ban those "occasional malcontent passing by". Why involve MSE?

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Well, the first one, hitting the most marks for me, was from around the beginning of november, with me just being a very new RO... I think I got the help in December?

Shadow Wizard

If they're coming to MSE to rant, well, let them.. and ignore since it's useless to explain to someone who can't take criticism.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard I think that's exactly what we've been doing?

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell oh. Good! I saw messages here about the situation getting out of control and sipping into MSE so assumed it's worse.

Magisch

7:33 AM

@Tinkeringbell I remember like 3-4 incidents that led to several escalating length suspensions for a certain user

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I'm sure this about the first one ;)

Now let's stop boring @Shadow with this :P

Magisch

agreed

Tinkeringbell

Did anyone already complain about heat in here today?

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell it's hot here! 35C and climbing...

Luckily I'm inside closed room with AC. :D

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Ehh. I think we're still under 30, 27-28-ish? They're predicting up to 35 degrees this afternoon though.

I have a fan going, working from home. But I just learned that's perfect, apparently there was a train defect on part of my route this morning and the train would've been packed (and it's an old train, so no air-co)

Shadow Wizard

7:36 AM

@Tinkeringbell whoa.. drink lots of water! :)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Hahaha, yeah yeah, and use sunscreen, mind the elderly and weak and overweight, avoid excercise... #hitteplan!

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell ewww that's the worst... being packed with lots of sweating people.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Yeah.

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell exactly! ;)

Tinkeringbell

Yesterday, someone seriously tried to keep opening the window, while what little climate control the train has isn't going to help if you're letting in all the heat

Shadow Wizard

7:38 AM

Baz Luhrmann - Everybody's Free To Wear Sunscreen

►

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell that list of people to mind keeps getting longer

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell well, if there's no air to breathe, it's understandable to open a window.. :)

Magisch

Sunscreen does nothing for me

I get sunburnt after half an hour anyways

Shadow Wizard

ouch

Magisch

As a result I have 2 modes: white as a ghost and sunburnt

Shadow Wizard

7:40 AM

lol

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, because I read the 22 page document our government calls the 'hitteplan' :P

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313120/… "potential spam seed"

Journeyman Geek

hitteplan sounds like the latest and greatest german techno band

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek It's a 22 page document, that explains mainly why they picked the warning limit at '4 days of predicted temperatures over 27 degrees C', when and how (at which certainty) they are going to communicate (it's three stages), and links to documents with information for caretakers etc.

Basically, it's 'we're going to warn people when it's hot, so they don't put on their wintercoat and drink hot chocolate' :P

Magisch

We had 41 days of temperatures at least over 25C here this summer already, if I recall correctly

Shadow Wizard

7:45 AM

@Magisch yeah it's crazy... Japan also has insane heat wave with 40+ C and people there dying as they never had it in the past.

The world is falling apart.. or sending us a subtle hint that we're doing something wrong. :/

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard oh heatwaves are one thing

wait for the extreme weather, and the ocean and air currents altering

that's when the post consumer food is going to hit the air impeller.

Shadow Wizard

Heat wave is extreme weather, isn't it?

Journeyman Geek

its... slightly polite extreme weather

Magisch

Some weather sites are predicting the heat wave could go on without interruption until the third week of august

Journeyman Geek

maybe its from dealing with heat injuries before but dealing with hot weather is mostly common sense

Magisch

7:48 AM

idk but my country is just not equipped for consistent 35C+

Almost nobody here has AC at home

Journeyman Geek

So... one of the things you're trained for in the local military is dealing with heat injuries

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Yet... my mom managed to keep our living room cooler than the office, where we do have AC :P

It was such a pleasure coming home yesterday :D

Magisch

@ShadowWizard Half of greece is burning, and it's set to not rain in any appreciable amount for 4+ weeks from now here

Journeyman Geek

and we had this one simple trick ~~doctors hate~~ ~~that probably saved on food bills~~ actually helped a lot

Magisch

One cinder and half our forests will burn down

Journeyman Geek

7:50 AM

@Tinkeringbell ash is having trouble in the evenings cause its too hot :(

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Oh yeah. This weather is no weather for a dog, they can't sweat

Magisch

This is no weather for anyone

Journeyman Geek

Its worse today cause its threatening to, but not raining

Magisch

I have 2 expensive high powered fans at home and it's still only barely bearable

Journeyman Geek

humidiity makes heat worse

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

7:53 AM

@rene chaos-emerald-pls Please remove the current duplicate target on meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1471/… and replace it with the following two: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/20042/… and meta.stackexchange.com/questions/306242

(That question explicitly states it's someone else's question they want to bump, as do my proposed two targets, while the current target explicitly states it's about bumping one's own question.)

rene

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/a/313121/158100

Tinkeringbell

8:08 AM

@Magisch I just got a paycheck... I think it's either a VR headset or a AC at this time :P

I'll take a few minutes to think about it ;)

Magisch

curses about having to pay rent & bills

Journeyman Geek

;)

I need to send in my timesheet and fill the other one up later (we have 2)

Tinkeringbell

Oh dang, timesheets. I need to fill in mine this week too :( I finally got a code from the client I work for now, I guess I have about 2 months of timesheets to fill in. Stupid administrative tasks.

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch here it's the opposite... everyone got AC

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell VR Headset. Something I wanted to buy for a long time... if only I could think of something to use it for afterward.

Tinkeringbell

8:17 AM

@Derpy Yeah, that's halfway what I'm worried about as well. I got to try it at one of my cousin's this weekend, but I am half way afraid that when I have it, the novelty will soon be gone, there won't be stuff to do and by the time there are actually good things to do with it, the hardware will be aged to the point that it's not practical to use it for those good things

Magisch

I can't even use VR headsets. The two I tried on induced migraines after a couple minutes

Shadow Wizard

:(