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12:16 AM
All my three chooks @Yvette
@SFTP Could you please explain why you would vote for 3 ppl? I am curious as to the number of people you would vote for.
12:36 AM
Since it's so quiet, lemme spamming this chat with pictures of water and rocks ...
and some sand ... taken by me a few days ago
@TelKitty they're beautiful
12:45 AM
@TelKitty so beautiful
@TelKitty what breed are the chickens?
1:10 AM
@YvetteColomb Front is a silver laced wyandotte, middle one is a lavender araucana, the one behind I am not sure. It is possible that the wyandotte is not a pure breed.
2:04 AM
.... For a moment I read that as a silver laced lycanthrope..
2:47 AM
@JourneymanGeek have you got your swag?
@YvetteColomb good taste!
I had 2 people with inferior taste told me my chickens were ugly :p
3:03 AM
@TelKitty not yet
me neither
3:22 AM
.... For a moment, I read "estate" as "eState"
4:09 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How can Cyclops' optic blasts burn or melt objects? by Clycops on scifi.SE
4:30 AM
One more dv, so we don't have to spend 3 del-votes? SO: Is there any exercises for binary tree with answers online?
@SFTP done
\o/ Preserving a closed, no-answers, no-comments (!) question for 5 years is kind of pointless.
don't try to avoid the question, downvote and delete share the same first letter
hence the ambiguity of
dodgy ppl
4:41 AM
I need voluntary victim(s), every now and then I have this feisty tendency
Current map of SO candidates
An obvious outlier: Stephen Rauch with the most edits (by far), and also most reviews. Member for 1 year, 3 months.
Two purple outliers who don't downvote, also don't do much else moderation-wise.
4:54 AM
"I can not give you an answer, so I will throw a bunch of data in your direction and hope you forget what you are asking for while staring at those numbers"
good try
I'm tempted to switch from my previous 1-2-3 idea to a completely different one, to shake things up: Stephen, Yvette, Samuel.
I will take your word for it @Yvette
Art, Magisch, Rob, for Charcoal to rule the world SO
One vote doesn't mean much on SO...
4:57 AM
Somehow, writing software for meta-SE activity has inverse correlation with normal use of SE.
starring more things for faster turnover and fresher goodie goodies
wonder whether cornered, shy slippery ppl tend to turn passive aggressive
5:13 AM
@SFTP its a bit like you find many mods use the sites proper less, even if they're otherwise fairly active
They're active behind the scenes? (mod flag queue)
or our patterns of usage change a little
@TelKitty huh
@TelKitty oooh to do what?
@HTTP arf arf woof awooo.
5:20 AM
@SFTP that's interesting.
@JourneymanGeek that's what the fox says?
Erm, no
Foxen make the most terrifying noises
5:57 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Qu'est-ce que cela a été vu à travers by Dien1965 on askubuntu.com
6:25 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Si vous n'avez pas commandé le produit, by Love nce on drupal.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Martyr concept in Hinduism by supravat mohanty on hinduism.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Can't ping or connect to my IP from outside by pol on superuser.com
6:55 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Martyr concept in Hinduism by supravat mohanty on hinduism.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, blacklisted user: Martyr concept in Hinduism by supravat mohanty on hinduism.SE
7:37 AM
@YvetteColomb of course
boyfriend meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308108/… @Bart @rene @TravisJ @JourneymanGeek @Glorfindel
@ShadowWizard CVed
waiting for closure to delete
At least half of it is in the right place, the "Exchange" part fits.
huh? Only 16 users here?? That's a record... (for lowest number)
Even Den got more sometimes...
@SFTP yeah probably that's how that lost soul found this place....
There's a theory that "Tumbleweed" is adding mild insult to injury. Overreaction?
7:39 AM
@SFTP yup. People don't get its true purpose.
Does it have any purpose?
@ShadowWizard SE's mostly dead on weekends
MSE's worse ;p
Q: What is the purpose of the tumbleweed badge?

YishaiWhat is the purpose of the tumbleweed badge? Why is asking questions no one answers or looks at a desirable accomplishment?

@ShadowWizard probably due to the blip yesterday?
@HTTP blip?
oh your name is outdated, @HTT
7:44 AM
@ShadowWizard SE said it would implement HTTPS in 4 days...
@HTTP you're living in the past, HTTPS is enabled anywhere in SE... :D
18 hours ago, by rene
chat blip
@HTTP But @ThiefMaster who never talks still lurks here, i.e. wasn't logged out...
unless he has some super-auto-login script?
@ShadowWizard I think it's genuine tag request
Can't create a tag on SO for their open sourced thing.
7:50 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: help me create tag 'rainbond' by barnett on meta.SE
Copied the description of the project from GitHub repo for context.
nuked? self-deleted?
self deleted
Cause, being helpful actually works sometimes ;)
except... the user doesn't have any rep to post on child-meta...
He could post a question with the other tags and use that to post on meta. But ugh, that's not exactly obvious
@SFTP no, it looks like pure advertisement.
People can advertise open source stuff too, it's still spam.
@ShadowWizard no more boyfriends
@rene good!
Now let's hope the boyfriend won't come and ask a counter-question... :D
@ShadowWizard Its not a great tag wiki
But I'd rather deal with the guy from the assumption he's lost and has slightly better intentions
(and IMO it worked?)
@ShadowWizard Kenny kept running as well, so while the backend switched to colorado the tcp/ip and http/websockets all were kept alive.
8:08 AM
@JourneymanGeek nah, I doubt he'll bother to earn the required rep to post on MSO. He just wanted free advertisement for his project.
@ShadowWizard still a win?
@ShadowWizard I agree it looks like one, I'm just saying it isn't.
@rene oh, so who was logged out?
@SFTP if it looks like spam, flag it. That's my motto.
I don't waste tons of time looking into the reasons behind the spammy post.
@ShadowWizard dosen't MSO have the "you can always ask meta questions on your own posts?" rule?
"tons of time?"
two comments ;p
maybe 30 seconds total
@JourneymanGeek oh, yup. So doubt he'll bother to spend time asking a real question. I'm sure all he want is that tag and its wiki.
8:10 AM
no-one, I was just preparing everyone for the possible blib. I guess if you were just abouyt to join chat the moment they failed over you might have had a slight disconnect. I must say it went all rather smoothly so kudos to the team.
@ShadowWizard which feels vaguely pointless.
@JourneymanGeek not at all... free ad space... Google index rocking sky high, etc.
(also, since I have the ability to smite users on one site, I'm a little more cautious over my spam flags)
@ShadowWizard two words. Profile Spam.
Much easier.
@JourneymanGeek well, mod spam flag just cause auto delete, without giving the -100
8:12 AM
That he asked means there's someone made of meat on the other end, and we can reason with him
@ShadowWizard I think there's the -100
@rene kaboom (with -8 it went below my radar)
20K probably meta.stackexchange.com/q/308105/158100 /cc @sha @Bart @glor @TravisJ (needs one more)
@JourneymanGeek no, I've seen lots of spammy questions on MSE by 101 rep users, nuked by mod, no -100
Only 6 red flags will cause the -100
@JourneymanGeek nah it makes sense...
8:13 AM
(also, most of the spam I nuke's off 1 rep users. When smokey dosen't get to them first)
Ability to remove 100 rep with one click is too much power, even for a mod.
@ShadowWizard there's other concequences...
More seriously - the more power you have the harder it is to fix it up when you mess up
so its worth being careful, and have sanity checks
I often go "guys, this seems fishy?" or even ask folks whether what I'm doing or want to do is the right thing
Which is why I'm fond of the "welcome to foo.se.com - this is a site for bar. However this is off topic because baz" type comments
I'm its super tempting to just get out the pitchforks and vote/flag things to death ;)
If the owneruserid in the suggestededits table is null, does that indicate an edit from a non-registered user?
8:22 AM
@JourneymanGeek that's the most efficient way though, being too nice might send wrong message. Or attract negative comments, ask @rene. ;)
@rene can be easily tested, no?
@ShadowWizard heh. "negative" or negative?
I'm a negativity attractor
Oh I get that
I don't care. llegitimi non carborundum ;)
@rene downvoted
Hey, vote on the content ...
8:57 AM
@rene hello flower pot man, we meet again
@JNat cross site spammer for you... spammed MSE few hours ago, got accounts in more sites, probably spammed there too. Thanks! :)
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10:27 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer: Linux equivalent to robocopy? by vikas khandola on superuser.com
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11:34 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How to prevent Android from creating LOST.DIR on SD card? by Hakan Er on android.SE
11:50 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: In like way, the site guarantees by Kno reek on drupal.SE
12:19 PM
So... SE now using adsafeprotected.com which is fishy... lots of sites claim it's malware. :/
And it contains bugged JS.
(so console always has warnings)
any specific sites? no repro on SO
Doesn't show up in the network tab in firefox either
not seeing it on SU
MSE, SE, SO: nothing
Not blocked by Privacy Badger, doesn't show up in the network tab in the console. Could be just you @sha
@PrincessLuna doubt it, it's injected as part of advertisement placeholder, only inside question view.
not always showing, about 3 out of 5 times.
Maybe some ad got compromised.
(only on sites where we have low rep and where ads are enabled)
@JourneymanGeek check inside question, not in questions list, and refresh few times.
12:36 PM
@ShadowWizard meta question time? ;p
(Since I don't think our lovely devs and CMs should be pinged on a sunday)
@JourneymanGeek hehe, might be... they should kick whatever ad is doing it, I guess.
halp! i couldn't get normal ad, only SO Jobs D: (even on incognito)
hold on
@HTTP yeah, those are fine, they have some external ad, probably gone rogue
The problem is, I couldn't even try to repro it since what I got were all about SO Jobs or Sales :/
At last, got some normal ads on old questions...
12:40 PM
all blocking plugins deactivated, I'm gonna see if I can find it
@ShadowWizard I can't even find the entire <ins> tag. No scripts are loaded in from the domain either
I gave up... I only got ads about redislabs and Intel AI Academy...
I used a different container (in firefox, meaning I'm not logged in). Got a ton of ads, multiple sites, nothing
well, will look more into it, hopefully it's not a virus on my side.... :/
well, since ads are semi-personalized (location? content?), it's probably not that simple for other to repro unless they are SO staffs...
12:49 PM
No repro in chrome either
OK, it happens only when the ad placeholder is empty, as I reported here. Thought it's only on arqade so reported, but now noticed it's also on SU. When there is ad, all is good.
If it's on my side, it's some smart malware, as it's not always triggering.
@HTTP yeah, might be true... maybe it's even Google's fault. :/
Curiously, what kind of ads are usually shown on Arqade? I only got SO Jobs and Sales there...
1:22 PM
I think most sites only have that
only really the big three have properish ads
so appears to be part of DoubleClick service
2:06 PM
needs del votes now ...
thrown mine in. @ShadowWizard maybe? ;p
or @Bart ...
\o/ have a stroopwafel ..
Also, I'm getting slightly annoyed at all the folks who are trying to claim they can delete content under EU laws without actual links to the laws in question
@JourneymanGeek not only that, I'm preparing a lawsuit against SE to make them pay the 20 million euro's fine for being not compliant ...
I kind of asploded on a certain Econ HNQ...
@JourneymanGeek would it work if we close such questions as Unclear or too broad?
@JourneymanGeek no need EU laws. Just file a fraudelent DMCA...
@rene tbh, I'm a bit steamed up after the one I answered so...
2:25 PM
update on the malware: don't think it's on my side. Ran full scan, found other nasty stuff but not this one... looks like it's part of Google:
I'm not the best person to ask.
@JourneymanGeek he, okay, keep your cool man. We are here for you
Going to post on MSE with some details.
(I'd go hell yes. CLOSE THEM ALL! LET SHOG SORT THEM OUT) - but maybe see what I think in a few days.
But I do think quoting the laws in question, and commenting politely asking for that feels like a good compromise
2:30 PM
Hmm... how about, let's forget that EU exists?
I think this one is a little more reasonable
@HTTP or merge with USA
migrate to USA? if only I had binding vote...
VTC Europe?
2:36 PM
@JourneymanGeek's mod hammer is approved. European borders are now closed. :p
I don't really understand the downvotes on the "right to be forgotten" post. Seems a fair request for clarification/understanding. They're not saying "DELETE MY CONTENT RIGHT MEOW OR ELSE LAWYERS"
I'm too grumpy to downvote.
Voting on meta is different... or is it?
@HTTP yes
2:46 PM
Sure, you can vote in disagreement ... but with what? Law is law. Explain it, state if you comply with it ... move on.
(btw I haven't voted on that question...)
@Bart its unclear what the law is + chilling effects.
Hence the question
Its like "ooh, new law, lets see what we can abuse it for"
@Bart no no
Like they could link what they saw. And sometimes they totally didn't read it.
(and SE's probably going to need to get someone to take a look?)
now, an omnibus post on how these laws will affect SE would be nice.
With specific reference to say the GDPR
not in the "I think the law lets me demand foo!"
2:51 PM
One More.
Gaah... thunderstorm!
This sudden influx of offtopic MSE posts...
Its sunday
3:19 PM
@Bart the comment from gnat is not really helping there either IMO.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in body: Cryptocurrency,coin news by Samaranch on bitcoin.SE
@Bart was about to downvote because OP appears to say "SE must delete if requested", with which I don't agree, but on second thought I didn't. Might be same reason for those who did...
4:04 PM
Q: adzerk serving ads from adsafeprotected

BraiamI have made NoScript and uBlock origin trust Stack Overflow served ads (Adzerk and zkcdn), but I saw something weird today. Is my understanding that all advertising is served directly from adzerk as text/images, normally, yet I saw this ad being served: <div class="everyonelovesstackoverflow adz...

If I didn't work here, I'd totally block it. Utter crap.
4:18 PM
Are those links here to be considered spam?
@rene yes. Flagged as such.
Unlike others... I usually don't give spammers the benefit of the doubt. :)
Spammy link --> spam.
4:48 PM
Continuation of the Conery effect series... Fixing Stack Overflow’s Bully Problem
> Have moderators, like Jon Skeet make constructive suggestions for how the answer could be improved in a more compassionate empathetic way
Yes, this isn't based on any actual experience or knowledge of SO.
Although, if SO keeps electing mods at this rate, a "moderator-only forum" can be a reality. Their own meta.... well I suppose Teams would work for that too.
Can SO mods get their own Team, if they haven't already?
I suppose what's private enough for 3rd party confidential information is also private enough for mod exchanges.
4:55 PM
> Anyone who says that they're great at communicating but 'people are bad at listening' is confused about how communication works. xkcd.com/1028
What's the record for most panels in an xkcd comic? This one has 18. Excluding interactive things that aren't really comics.
> Perception of the badge should be tested with the users who frequently get no responses, or antagonized by other users. It shouldn't matter how it's perceived by users who either never see it, or still fare well on the site otherwise. -- Cher at 10:01 AM - 18 Mar 2018
5:47 PM
@JeremyBanks world outside of Stack Overflow ... you tell me now. Okay I give you the blog post option, fair enough. — rene 39 secs ago
I, too, sometimes forget.
6:05 PM
Another question. New user's question got migrated to an SE site where he doesn't have an account. When the migrated question is answered, does the user get a notification about that in the inbox? I wonder if the user might be confused about where his question went.
For as far as I know, no, they will not be notified
And he might be sitting comfortable, possibly even knowing he's checked "send me an email" or something, and never find the answer.
@b_jonas Yes
@Catija Oh good! Thanks.
@Bart Um yes, but I'm asking whether they're notified that the question has got an answer, already on the new site.
6:08 PM
Read the comments on the answer.
Note, you also get notifications of comments/answers in your migrated posts as of (at least) early 2012. — Joe Dec 18 '13 at 22:12
The answer seems to address that
Ah, thank you.
@Bart No, the person who wrote the answer is talking about an answer, saying that they were notified that their answer was migrated.
Interesting, Adam has a deleted answer from November 2011 saying that you don't get notified and the answer there is from Jan 2012, so sometime between the two posts, it changed.
In this case, I answered after the migration. (I couldn't answer before, because the question was closed.)
6:32 PM
Yeah each site "knows" if the user is logged in somewhere on SE so the inbox works even without an account.
6:59 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Who is Goddess Shyamala? by Ajaya on hinduism.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Do Shaivites believe in something greater than Sadashiva? by Ajaya on hinduism.SE
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8:08 PM
Hi guys. The help page graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic links to meta.graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/a/682 , which is a redirect page with a https error, something like the certificate not signed for that page. Do I report that here?
@b_jonas better (or also) on the per site meta. That page is editable by a mod I think. If you tag it bug it will be seen by SE staff as well so if a mod can't fix it is easy enough to get it redirected.
@rene Yes, but I think the links are fine and it's the https errors that should be fixed. Editing the help page would be a workaround.
Only the first two links are wrong btw
@b_jonas no, the behavior is by design.
Yes, a mod can fix that. Those pages and tour are pretty visible, but rarely discussed.
When was the last time someone proposed a change to so/tour?
8:19 PM
I dunno
I know I proposed something for math/tour a few years ago: much discussion, went nowhere. Mods would have to agree between themselves, and...
@SFTP I did propose such a change in scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/q/7028/4918 . That was in 2016. Probably not the last time.
Did it happen?
> Specific programming problems
Software algorithms
Coding techniques
Software development tools
Do "coding techniques" include tabs vs spaces?
8:21 PM
@SFTP Yes, a change I proposed for the "what topics I can ask about" page did happen
Anyway, you're right, I should post on their meta, a workaround should be worth until the SE overlords fix the error.
The redirect error will never be fixed, I think.
@SFTP Why do you think so?
I don't expect it to be fixed quickly, but it is something they can fix.
They would have to get a certificate for each meta.site.se just for it to redirect.
A: HTTPS certificate error for meta redirect pages (meta.<site>.stackexchange.com)

animusonThe old Meta URLs will never support HTTPS. The whole point of changing the path to *.meta.stackexchange.com was because because wildcards cannot use meta.*.stackexchange.com and we couldn't apply a single certificate to all of the Meta domains. We are not interested in maintaining a bunch of cer...

@SFTP That can be a single certificate, and it's only like a hundred domains or something, isn't it?
@SFTP Ah, thank you!
So it's already declared wontfix.
That's sad, but ok.
8:32 PM
someone points this poor chap to the 6 to 8 weeks meme. I'm done with that post.
8:42 PM
@jaySf A small assignment for you: find out what "6 to 8 weeks" means on this site. Do you like being given small assignments? — SFTP 28 secs ago
Java <3
C# <3
Kotlin <3
Java <3
Python if threading wasn't horrible <3
C++ <3
Python (<3) has Flask and there is a Flask flask :p
9:26 PM
Today's Stack Overflow killer: askquestions.tech
I suppose the answering part will be on another site.
The site has a short history.
lol, no. It's got a conversion rate of < 3% (by my maths at least, some stats are missing), and the format of the site makes old posts practically useless.
but it is all-inclusive ....
You mean like Stack Overflow is, except they feel an explicit need to market it to look better than Stack Overflow when it really isn't?
10:22 PM
php <3
scripting languages need to stop having P as the starting word
php, perl, python etc
I agree with that
at the same time, I'm not sure what's the hype to always create new languages.
couldn't we fix the existent ones? reminds me of the standards xkcd
mean while, mostly used kernel in OS are still mainly written in C
10:38 PM
If new user issues come to the attention of EU lawmakers, there will be "Right to be coddled" law.
10:51 PM
I am convinced there is a joke there.
@SFTP oh it's a very long Twitter thread.
Turns out, askquestions.tech runs on Discourse. One of Jeff's creations against another.
11:12 PM
Third mod resignation on Code Review, it's contagious... codereview.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8669/…
11:33 PM
@hichris123 and second round upset... Is ED University in the tournament, by the way?
11:56 PM
SO nomination close in 20 hours, still 13. Five candidates from last elections have not (yet) nominated this time: Travis J, Johnny Bones, Alexander O'Mara, NathanOliver, Tiny Giant.
@Shog9 We were talking about the reason why users aren't shown all their deleted posts. You told me that the current reason is contained in a comment. However, it's not at all clear that that's the case. In fact, the question has a +400 bounty now, with the following reason:
> If we want users to put effort into their posts, we shouldn't disrespect that effort with the threat of them losing it without any notice or way to recover it. The current design is user-hostile, and it's worse because it's design to deliberately hide what's happening so users don't realize their content is being lost. Trying to avoid some minor bickering is a very Jeff-circia-2008 rationalization for this behavior.
> I doubt the current staff would have arrived at this design if they had started fresh, instead of being biased by history.

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