Tavern on the Meta

M.A.R.

12:00 AM

@Ash Tavern is dead.

Ano

@M.A.R. Wasn't exactly talking to you

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. does netcraft confirm it?

M.A.R.

@Ano everything in our lives is imprecise

Journeyman Geek

@Ano I don't know your sister either.

M.A.R.

@Ash I actually expected you were either NormalHuman or AndrewT

Mithrandir

12:02 AM

@Catija Yep. Most of it can just be edited but there are a couple parts that will need to be retranslated.

M.A.R.

Those two changing identities every time is so confusing

@JourneymanGeek up high, sir

Journeyman Geek

quite

Catija

@Mithrandir But the flow is the hard part. It's the artistry. Even if you don't care about money, I'd want credit.

user168476

@M.A.R. Oh no, I am just myself.

Catija

The flow is what makes it so that someone can get into the story. A bad flow makes the book impossible to read and enjoy.

Journeyman Geek

12:04 AM

down low. Good sir.

Mithrandir

I'm going to take a look probably Sunday and edit a bit of it so I can show the difference and see how difficult it would be to actually do the whole thing.

Catija

@Mithrandir The trouble is that if she's not fluent, she may not realize how bad it is? So she may not see the difference?

Mithrandir

She's also gotten feedback from other people that it needs some polishing, so I might ask them for their opinion.

At any rate, I'm ironically having trouble expressing myself at the moment, so I think I'll go to sleep.

It is after all after two in the morning.

Catija

Night!

M.A.R.

@Mithrandir let's debate whether that's ironic

You can shut your eyes, and connect your brain to the internet so we can keep discussing

SmokeDetector

12:10 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Why is the Sahara so much larger than the other horse latitude deserts? by ASap Dolphin on earthscience.SE

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector K

My goodness

It's really strange to see that while all the answers are basically cookie cutter (not meant insulting at all, I mean all good mods will have very similar answers, nobody expects someone to go "I'll kill'em all muaahaha!!!1 Give me teh modz!" all of a sudden) they vary that much by voting. I wonder how much of that voting is actually the associated name, not the content of the post. — nvoigt yesterday

All of it?

We're electing people, not questionnaire answers

They're just sanity checks

Catija

The average voter doesn't read the questionnaire anyway.

M.A.R.

Although I've argued this before --- questionnaire votes give an unfair edge

Arrest Art

Catija

That still assumes that people actually look at it.

M.A.R.

Some do

Catija

12:19 AM

Most of the time, when you compare the number of votes to the number of views on the questionnaire, it's startlingly off... particularly when you assume that some people view the questionnaire many times, so it's not counting unique user visits.

M.A.R.

There was also this argument that some people think they're voting in the real election

Kinda a stretch, but you'd be surprised at things people don't get in a foreign language

with funny letters

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

You'd be surprised at things people don't get in their primary language

M.A.R.

@Catija off as in, high?

Journeyman Geek

Or its a way to show "I like these answers"

Catija

@M.A.R. Low. So there'll be 1000 voters but only 800 views of the questionnaire answers... and you know, particularly the candidates, are viewing it multiple times, likely daily... and everyone who's really following it, will view it every time there's a new answer added or it's edited...

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

12:23 AM

should this not not be possible?

Catija

So, if even half of those are unique views, I'd be surprised... so that's 400 out of 1000 voters... which is less than half. Though, I'm pulling those numbers out of the air. I'm sure I can find some. Probably from the previous SO election.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

oh, you mean voters in the election

M.A.R.

We should require a non scrollable final credits style display of a candidate's questionnaire answer when someone votes for them

@Catija yeah, you're making it sound less startling

Catija

> viewed 18,325 times
30,584 voted

That's from 2017's election on SO... Even with all of those being unique views, nearly half of the voters never read the questionnaire answers.

M.A.R.

We also suck at educating people that rep is not everything

Mostly because they suck at listening

Everything is vacuum

Catija

12:27 AM

No. We create a metric where rep is half the value... so we train them that it is valuable.

M.A.R.

@Catija valuable != everything

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. that is a bit of a thing

Catija

You can't create a mod score and then tell people that 20/40 really isn't useful information.

M.A.R.

So we can't tell them that a rep farmer that didn't care about meta or moderating can't make a good mod

Journeyman Geek

but I guess the idea is the most hardcore of users kinda make up for it.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

12:29 AM

@Catija Are the grades at school really all that matters in a scholarship?

Catija

Most of the hardcore users aren't the voters.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. I would totally go "Nooooo Don't vote for him" with certain high rep users on my site

@FélixGagnon-Grenier It is here!

Catija

@FélixGagnon-Grenier That's really not relevant. The people deciding the scholarship are actually (hopefully) reading the supporting documentation.

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek interestingly though, all high rep users on smaller sites have done their fair share of modding

Catija

I've just proven that half or fewer of the people voting in an election aren't actually educating themselves about the nominees at all.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

12:30 AM

Hmmmm. I think I used a word without knowing what it really means here.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. oh, thinking specific examples

Catija

There's a reason that it's usually safe to predict that the highest-rep user will win the election.

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek SU is not a "smaller site"

Catija

(capping at 20K).

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

indeed, scolarship !== the whole process of educating one self

M.A.R.

12:31 AM

But I'm thinking chem, bio et al. This applies to them

Catija

@FélixGagnon-Grenier Perhaps you meant scholarship, not "a scholarship"?

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

yes, I thought of the whole process of going to school from youth to adult

Catija

yeah, "a scholarship" is like a grant of money awarded to help pay for tuition. :)

Journeyman Geek

@FélixGagnon-Grenier all folks in asia care about is ... grades, or "reputation" ;p

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

In that whole process, while grades are indeed important, the people you will meet, the teachers!, your friends, your contacts, all of this will matter in the global evaluation of your candidacy for something

Journeyman Geek

12:32 AM

(Personally I find it a bit silly)

user315433

#1: One has to be a hardcore meta user to read that wall of text
#2: A hardcore meta user already knows who those people are, from past elections, meta participations, etc.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

I believe there is a parallel to be made with the moderator score

Journeyman Geek

@FélixGagnon-Grenier in a practical sense, for a good mod, reputation is a concequence

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

indeed ;) (to both of these)

Journeyman Geek

@FélixGagnon-Grenier moderator score is an easy abstraction of overall meta moderation and activity

user315433

12:33 AM

The median time spent by a voter on an election in total is probably < 5 minutes.

Catija

@FélixGagnon-Grenier Only if the people evaluating you are actually looking at your entire portfolio and not just your candidate nomination and mod score.

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek your consequence is too British

Touou British

Journeyman Geek

But I 'd rather have someone low rep who posts fantastic meta posts than a clueless 100+k user who dosen't care at all about anything but getting more reputation

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Not really... if you don't ask or answer questions, you don't earn rep... you cap out for edit suggestions at 1K.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

@Catija so very true..

Journeyman Geek

12:35 AM

@Catija I'm not chasing rep, I'm sharing and gaining knowledge ;)

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek you and I are so on the same page, I think you're my sock

@Catija a few elections ago I actually doubted people look at the candidate score

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

You're both my socks. I just never got to finish that deep learning session so that you would upvote my posts

... so long for me and humor, I think I'll drop that

M.A.R.

@FélixGagnon-Grenier defective bots are how the apocalypse beings

@FélixGagnon-Grenier if you're not German, you shouldn't

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

hehehe

I'm not, I believe

Journeyman Geek

Ach, NiCH HUMOUR IST VERBOTEN!

(sorry any actual germans for doing unspeakable things to your language)

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

12:40 AM

for a moment there, I almost thought that was legit

M.A.R.

As a German I have to ask: What is humour? — Martin - マーチン ♦ Jan 18 at 3:09

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

that was amazing self derision

M.A.R.

Oh, he changed his avatar

Journeyman Geek

Germans love to joke about how they never make jokes.

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek they also make German jokes

in g-block elements on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Feb 2 at 10:10, by pH13 - Yet another Philipp

 THERE IS AN OLD, OLD RECIPE IN MAINE FOR STEWING COOT. PLACE THE
 BIRD IN A KETTLE OF WATER WITH A RED BUILDING BRICK FREE OF MORTAR AND
 BLEMISHES. PARBOIL THE COOT AND BRICK TOGETHER FOR THREE HOURS.
 POUR OFF THE WATER, REFILL THE KETTLE, AND AGAIN PARBOIL FOR THREE HOURS.
 ONCE AGAIN POUR OFF THE WATER, FOR THE LAST TIME ADD FRESH WATER,
 AND LET THE COOT AND BRICK SIMMER TOGETHER OVERNIGHT. IN THE MORNING,
 THROW AWAY THE COOT AND EAT THE BRICK.

Journeyman Geek

12:48 AM

@M.A.R. kinda like Das Blinkenlighten's english cousin?

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

@M.A.R. I'm pretty sure I don't get it. asking for a friend.

Journeyman Geek

Coot

Coots are small water birds that are members of the rail family, Rallidae. They constitute the genus Fulica, the name being the Latin for "coot". Coots have predominantly black plumage, and—unlike many rails—they are usually easy to see, often swimming in open water. They are close relatives of the moorhen. == Description == Coots have prominent frontal shields or other decoration on the forehead, with red to dark red eyes and coloured bills. Many, but not all, have white on the under tail. The featherless shield gave rise to the expression "as bald as a coot," which the Oxford English Dictionary...

M.A.R.

in g-block elements on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Nov 7 '17 at 13:58, by Jan

SmokeDetector

1:12 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Let's break up with "Graduation" and remove a bunch of "Beta" labels by Hasan Abdoolmaleki on meta.SE

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

that deserves somewhat of a lol ^

oh wait, the flag is not on the question

Journeyman Geek

.... he posted it twice

nope

It makes no sense google translated either

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer, blacklisted user: Let's break up with "Graduation" and remove a bunch of "Beta" labels by Hasan Abdoolmaleki on meta.SE

Catija

@FélixGagnon-Grenier I should hope not.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

my "lol" moment was on @SmokeDetector raising the message upon a long, detailed question

I wondered if images were considered as non-latin characters or something

Journeyman Geek

1:23 AM

probably not

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

... damn, I look like I've been around SE for all of two weeks in the last hours

Journeyman Geek

and its probably more for CJK spammers

Catija

@FélixGagnon-Grenier How so? When you're up against MSE wonks like some of us, it's easy to look like a novice :D

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

heh. I'll gladly take the stance of novice in such a setup

Journeyman Geek

@FélixGagnon-Grenier TBH, I have no idea 'what works' here myself ;p

Journeyman Geek

2:14 AM

@JeremyBanks size aside, I wonder if the (unzipped) data dumps would be the sort of thing that ought to be stored in SCM ... ;p

(looking at your requests for old dumps)

HTTP

Locked out morning

(the office's door, not the PC)

Ano

2:42 AM

@Shog9 While auditing the anonymous edits, I came across a couple anonymous edits from others where the editor was able to bypass the 6-character minimum (as in actually bypass it, I checked the Markdown). How could they do it?

For example: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/51455

and meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/50177

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body: Can Time Machine up an external hard drive in addition to internal one? by Shx qgvj on apple.SE

Journeyman Geek

@Ano why are you auditing anonymous edits?

Ano

To work out which are mine and which were performed by other users, in order to prepare statistics and release a more public list (whereas the current one is cluttered with thousands of pages of automated script edits).

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: How to convert Peanut Butter chips to peanut butter by Cara on cooking.SE

Catija

2:57 AM

@Ano ... why? Is there a demand for this?

HTTP

'release a more public list'... FWIW, I rejected over 95% anonymous edits on anime.se for 'changing OP's intent' or 'attempt to reply'. I don't know who's been suggesting anon edits there (I recalled it's not Ano though)

SmokeDetector

3:14 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: What does the term "breeder" mean in The Chronicles of Riddick? by Sakura on scifi.SE

HTTP

@SmokeDetector gone, nuked due to edit wars with the mod themself

Journeyman Geek

lol

Catija

I may yet hit gold on that breaking up with Graduation question...

Journeyman Geek

reversal?

Catija

... no... Great Question.

SmokeDetector

3:28 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Chinese character in title: How to translate this into English? 有什么是我没看过的，你太年轻了 by vivicakes on english.SE

Journeyman Geek

oh - that title could have been IPS ;p

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Email in answer: How to retrieve unclaimed BTC for wallets whose private key is lost by PRICE PETERSON on bitcoin.SE

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek Is that an abstract statement or a reference to this?

Anonymous

3:44 AM

As you suggested, I think GitHub would get a bit cranky if we tried to store all of Stack Overflow in a single repo. =p

Shog9

Getting curious about what Jeremy is up to

Anonymous

gonna make a hostile fork where we don't let the nazi moderators censor anything and pitch it to VCs as the next great programmer community.

Anonymous

don't tell joel.

Shog9

he's not building a playhouse for the children...

Anonymous

well that's creepy.

Catija

3:47 AM

PUAs.notSE.com

Anonymous

every new post goes on three different blockchains for security.

Journeyman Geek

@JeremyBanks a bit

I wasn't thinking github specifically...

Catija

How big is a data dump?

Journeyman Geek

about 60gb each

however, storing all the datadumps in a SCM system might save space overall since a lot of data is duplicated.

Anonymous

I was about to say the opposite. :P

Journeyman Geek

3:51 AM

@JeremyBanks well, cough You probably are more likely to be right ;p

Anonymous

7z/lzma is pretty tight since it doesn't need to have the data be usable. But I'm not sure. Maybe a well-configured smart database would be close.

Shog9

Depends on how you store them

Journeyman Geek

Well, compressons a thing but you'd need to decompress it (on the fly?) to be usable

Anonymous

if you mapped post histories onto the git revision model or whatever... yeah, maybe.

Journeyman Geek

and other than deleted and new posts...

(just remember its plausible I have no idea what I'm talking about)

Shog9

3:52 AM

In another life, I'd get some major efficiency by taking deltas for each revision, then compressing them together. But this requires care.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +2 more: healthsupplementsreviews info/vitax-forskolin/ by Joechampion on superuser.com

Anonymous

I am sad that 7z is not a "seekable" file format. You can't get any data without decompressing everything before it.

Journeyman Geek

yup, but that's probably why its so efficient?

Anonymous

Adding indexes to make it seekable would increase the size a bit, yeah, but it's not at-odds with the file format design in theory.

Catija

Is that like what Time Machine is? It only saves the differences between the versions?

Anonymous

3:58 AM

but most people do just care about size, as you suggest, so nobody seems to prioritize this feature.

Anonymous

@Catija Yeah, pretty much. Apple's new APFS filesystem too works a lot like this under the hood.

Catija

It seems like a really clean way to save space... but it sounds complex.

Journeyman Geek

@JeremyBanks though most sane DBs do that right?

I know postgres has that built in, Mysql... needs spinx?

Anonymous

I'm not much of a DB guy, I couldn't tell you.

Journeyman Geek

hah, nor am I.

I just run stuff I need and pick up stuff along the way.

Catija

4:02 AM

All I know is that the database I have to use at work sucks.

Anonymous

I wasn't aware of Postgres using any compression, but my knowledge of its details comes exclusively from a 25-minute high-level talk I heard at a conference once. ;)

Journeyman Geek

oh not compression

indexes for searching

Anonymous

ahh, gotcha.

Anonymous

5 hours ago, by Jeremy Banks

no indexes. :P

Anonymous

We discovered together earlier today that Google BigQuery apparently does not, because it just scales up and eats your entire database on every query, more or less.

Journeyman Geek

4:04 AM

0_0

Cause they can just throw more hardware at it? 0_0

Anonymous

(which is probably a bad mis-simplification, and working at google I should really know how this actually works.)

Anonymous

That's what it seems like!

Journeyman Geek

kinda almost makes sense.

Anonymous

Oh, you're querying 100GB at once? Let's just load the database into 1000 servers to get your result in seconds.

Shog9

Who needs indexes when you can run nested loops in memory and in parallel?

Anonymous

4:05 AM

It's weird and I don't think I understand the real use cases.

Journeyman Geek

hmm

Shog9

"shit that causes death by join otherwise"

Journeyman Geek

heh, I guess in a sense, also the fact that google can literally just stand up a crate of servers ;p

Catija

Seems sort of wasteful...

Journeyman Geek

Constraints make for better.... well everything, to a point.

Catija

4:06 AM

It's the antithesis of what SE's doing with their nine.

Shog9

Indexing only works if you know ahead of time what you won't be searching for

Journeyman Geek

@Catija Well, good software engineers are 'rare'. As are good SRE. You can probably hire datacentre technicians by the crateload, even when you're picky.

Anonymous

True. I guess if you're studying the data semi-interactively, like logs or data science, rather than optimizing for users giving 100 QPS, this could make sense.

Shog9

This is where Google made their name back in the early days: everyone else was limited to how they built their indexes; the most powerful search engines had gobs and gobs of different operators to hit various criteria

Anonymous

+1 Insightful

Shog9

4:09 AM

Google would match on... Whatever

Behind the scenes, they'd rebuild your query to prioritize various things, but it wasn't like you had to know that. Search for basic stuff - the stuff bthat'd be full of noise on other engines - just getting better, as if by magic.

Anonymous

I set up a VPS to try to download all of the torrents (again), but forgot to save the user password after disabling root login and have locked myself out of SSH. I forgot to bootstrap the BitTorrent DHT connection, and I'm not sure if it managed to do it itself or not. I'm waiting to see.

Anonymous

since if I got it wrong, I probably need to tear down the VPS and set it up with the software and data again. also partially because I accidentally downloaded the data onto the boot drive instead of the detachable storage volume.

Anonymous

engineering

Anonymous

I guess I can try pinging the server over the DHT protocol to see if it's bootstrapped or not. Time to copy-paste some code from Stack Overflow.

Journeyman Geek

@JeremyBanks no console?

Anonymous

4:20 AM

@JourneymanGeek It used the root SSH credentials I disabled before failing to save the new ones.

Journeyman Geek

ah oops

was half certain those things were independant of it...

Anonymous

There exists some way to fix it, but by the time I'd figure it out it would have been faster to do everything from scratch. ;-)

Anonymous

2

Q: ping a bittorent dht bootstrap node could not get a answer

when send find_node to router.utorrent.com there is no response code like this import bencode import random import socket # Generate a 160-bit (20-byte) random node ID. my_id = ''.join([chr(random.randint(0, 255)) for _ in range(20)]) ping_query = {'y': 'q', 't': '0f', 'q'...

Shog9

ok @Jeremy... I'm seeding 8 of the first 9 dumps in your list. Good luck!

Anonymous

@Shog9 ❗❗❗ Thanks!

Anonymous

4:25 AM

Shog9

(I have 2 december 2011 dumps, but not sure whether "Update 2" is part 2 or part 3 in your list)

Anonymous

The answer said "your code worked for me" so I went with the question's code and trusted it. :P

Anonymous

IIRC I named "update 2" as "part 3".

Anonymous

Sorry, trying to get out of the unnecessary-ping habit. :P

Shog9

oldest dump I have is December of 09... Man... only 450-some MB

look how far we've come

Anonymous

4:28 AM

:)

Anonymous

sth has the oldest data here.

Journeyman Geek

yup

thank $deity for packrats? ;)

Anonymous

Although unfortunately bittorrent hashes don't align with file boundaries in those old ones, so we can't actually validate or seed the last piece of the .7z file unless we have the correct readme and other files to complete its piece.

Anonymous

@Shog9 Are you using qBittorrent?

Shog9

bittorrent: yet another promising future tech from SO's early days that went nowhere.

@JeremyBanks yep

Journeyman Geek

4:31 AM

@Shog9 eh, it works well enough for piracy ;)

Anonymous

nice, then I think i've got you on my local machine, even if not on this seedbox.

Journeyman Geek

@JeremyBanks heh, its probably the best current torrent client since utorrent sold out...

(though, ugh, rss feed management in qbitorrent-nox would rock my socks)

Shog9

uTorrent: "if the obnoxious ads didn't drive you away, then the malware in the obnoxious ads will!"

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 and the entire point of utorrent was its lightness.

Anonymous

Yeah... the sketchy associations with the BitTorrent protocol certainly aren't helped by the sketchy behaviour of BitTorrent Inc. :(

Journeyman Geek

4:33 AM

@JeremyBanks and that its not an obvious thing to monatarise...

Catija

There was one we used 6-8 years ago that had really nice visualizations... but I don't remember what it was called... Azureus, I think...

Journeyman Geek

eh. I used that before utorrent

Catija

And then it became Vuze and it got all crappy.

Journeyman Geek

I was going to say that ;p

Anonymous

I think IFPS has a good chance of succeeding as a next-gen distributed content platform, for both legitimate and illegitimate means, partially because it now has hundreds of millions in stupid Filecoin ICO money to help move it along, and because it has a great design that can abstract-over most pre-existing P2P systems.

Catija

4:35 AM

I would watch this for hours...

Though, usually I had fewer connections...

Journeyman Geek

ah lol

linux livecds are good for that ;p

Anonymous

/ipfs/z8q7215P1pn9MfZXVJjJmKEEU7bPt6Tb1 is the IPFS address of the september 2011 bittorrent release. (This is a few bytes of headers to specify types, then the bittorent ID, base52-encoded.) IN THEORY, this could be referenced by other IPFS objects, shared over the IPFS protocol, or bridged in from the BitTorrent protocl. These are all on the roadmap, and partially implemented.

Anonymous

My tiny contributions to the effort have been to suggest 7B as the hex encoding of the BitTorrent protocol ID in IPFS, because it looks like "BT" backwards, and to get BitTorrent v2's magnet URLs to at least adopt IPFS's multihash flexible hash encoding. That is to say, things that had no real effect but I got to stick both hand in the wet cement. :P

Anonymous

Note in the screenshot here, the creator of BitTorrent telling me it's a stupid idea.

Anonymous

4:40 AM

But he is lazy and didn't actually write much of the spec, just signed-off on it, and the actual spec editor guy liked the idea.

Shog9

proving yet again that apathy is the best policy

Catija

... So... Since I can't flag comments on the SO elections... is it really necessary for me to ignore someone calling IPS a "SJW cesspool"?

HTTP

I guess you can flag one of their post on SO/MSO then referencing the comment with its URL...

Catija

They seem to be gone now. But even the direct URL links don't actually work. You can't pull comment links on nominations... I think there's a userscript out there that creates them for you but I'm still not sure they work.

Shog9

They work if the person you give them to also has the userscript ;-P

user315433

4:49 AM

reading the transcript, wondering if JOIN OTHERWISE is a SQL thing I haven't heard of yet

HTTP

Meanwhile, I'll be in apathetic mode for SO election sooner than I thought...

user315433

44 mins ago, by Shog9

"shit that causes death by join otherwise"

user315433

@HTTP May I refer you to my user profile

user315433

(here in chat0

Shog9

there has to be some syntax for a disjunctive union; "join otherwise" seems plausible

Anonymous

4:52 AM

Okay. So I need to figure out shog's bittorrent client's port (probably randomized) so I can tell my seedbox to connect to it. But Transmission only gives me the IP address, not the port. So I need to look in transmission's log, I see it stores its torrent peer state in a simple format (like most clients)....

Anonymous

2\M"��V #'b��+#'h�>^��

Anonymous

nevermind

HTTP

@FTP thanks, I feel better now ;p

Anonymous

shog's IP is A.B.C.D, the other peer is E.F.G.H, and I've got map(ord, bencode.decode(open("../.config/transmission/resume/stackexchange.0ea39049afdbaa‌ea.resume").read())['peers2']) == [0, 0, 0, 0, 50, 92, 77, 34, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 200, 213, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, A, B, C, D, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 35, 39, 29, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, E, F, G, H, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 35, 39, 29, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 104, 132, 62, 94, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 247, 228, 5, 0]

Anonymous

ports numbers are two bytes, I see an isolated non-zero two bytes kind-of near shog's memory. converting it to a single integer we get 200 * 256 + 213 = 51413, which is in the standard range for ephemeral ports.

Anonymous

4:58 AM

let's see if that works.

user202362

HTTP

> I see an isolated non-zero two bytes kind-of near shog's memory

user202362

far far away, trying to identify imposters @ShadowWizard @YvetteColomb

HTTP

@HTTP unintentional SciFi...

Anonymous

It did not work.

Anonymous

5:02 AM

:6768495 This is why we should all reply to every single message. ;-)

Anonymous

Okay this VPS is getting the hammer and I'll just keep downloading onto my workstation for now.

Anonymous

6:16 AM

Positively-scoring questions deleted between March and June of 2017.

Journeyman Geek

6:28 AM

→ 15 messages moved to Chimney

Anonymous

Stack Overflow questions scoring 25+ deleted between March and December of 2017.

user315433

6:46 AM

> How to make a living by programming from home?

Anonymous

Some look valuable. Some not so much.

user310756

7:06 AM

@TelautonomousKitty awesome :)

user315433

Smokey is reporting a lot of already-deleted posts here. :/ Is deletion watcher broken again?

user315433

Is 12 a magic number of candidates for SO elections? The previous two had 12, and this one currently does.

user315433

Perhaps nobody wants to be #13...

HTTP

bjb can take it, if he wanted

user315433

He's too busy college-shopping now.

Journeyman Geek

7:24 AM

→ 8 messages moved to Chimney

user310756

@JourneymanGeek who are you, Santa? :D

Ano

8:07 AM

@Shog9 Is /home/recommended/debug still supposed to work? As far as I can tell, it was for an experiment back in 2014 and never got disabled.

Anonymous

that's interesting...

Ano

This link?

Glorfindel

delv-pls 20k MySQL How to get month number from month name using MySql query? cc @rene @ShadowWizard @Bart @TravisJ

Anonymous

yea, can't remember seeing that before.

rene

@Glorfindel needs one more

M.A.R.

8:33 AM

SD 4k

OT shower on main

Derpy

@jnat Out of curiosity... Does it make any difference to you and the other staff members if we remove the bug tag from OT closed question that have been using it? I mean, does it help you in any way when browsing the real bug reports?

John Dvorak

[bug] closed:0 ?

Derpy

that's why I have asked. Surely, it wouldn't do any harm... but would it do any good?

That said, I could keep them as my secret "edit X post from at least 5 years ago" hat stash...

rene

8:54 AM

→ 12 messages moved to Chimney

JNat

@Derpy Don't see the benefit of flooding the front page with off-topic mistagged questions

rene

delv-pls 20K wordpress meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308002/… /cc @Bart @ShadowWizard @Glorfindel @TravisJ (needs 1 more)

delv-pls 20K loginacticvity meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308003/… /cc @Bart @ShadowWizard @Glorfindel @TravisJ (needs 1 more)

Shadow Wizard

Kaboom*2

rene

Kaboom confirmed*2

@ShadowWizard can you also vote on the earlier one posted by Glor?

Shadow Wizard

9:15 AM

status-kaboomed

HTTP

2 hours ago, by FTP

Smokey is reporting a lot of already-deleted posts here. :/ Is deletion watcher broken again?

(for context)

rene

I'm not cleaning up while the Smoke is being investigated.

Please keep windows and doors closed

Derpy

@JNat that's why I asked :P. If it had some value for you I would have slowly edited them, but I didn't want to bump old topics without need.

sees the office assistant icon

... we need an exorcist.

HTTP

9:53 AM

o well,

Ash on the Meta

@apaul - If it was up to me that's what I would choose. I was in app dev 20 years ago using stack exchange. While not all posts were on point, sometimes i could patch together 2 or 3 to get my answer. — Stacy Mar 7 at 6:13

Unless I misunderstood, there was Stack Exchange 20 years ago..?

Journeyman Geek

→ 11 messages moved to Chimney

@Derpy eh, we could just delete them ;p

rene

@HTTP maybe in dog years?

Journeyman Geek

@rene That's plausible. Woof?

rene

barks

Princess Luna

@JourneymanGeek Woof woof

Derpy

10:03 AM

April Fool and Easter fall on the same day this year....

HTTP

@Derpy so... there won't be any Easter then

Derpy

@HTTP Quick google search shows you aren't the only one that came to that conclusion.

5

Shadow Wizard

10:21 AM

@HTTP 20 years ago, Jeff played a lot of Counter Strike.

> I played a lot of Counter-Strike from 1998 to 2001, and Stack Overflow is in many ways my personal Counter-Strike

HTTP

@ShadowWizard o_O

Derpy

> to the two users who stared the rabbit picture: you are evil.

... make that three

rene

10:54 AM

@Derpy off-by-one error ...

delv-pls 20K XPATH meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308007/… /cc @ShadowWizard @Bart @Glorfindel @TravisJ

Shadow Wizard

ka

@SmokeDetector gone

rene

This is getting akward...

Journeyman Geek

11:14 AM

ah lol

@rene that's a good reason to stand ;p

Shadow Wizard

@rene what a beautiful love letter! :D

Cherish it. Print it and frame it. :D

Derpy

@YvetteColomb @TelautonomousKitty March, 19 - Poultry Day

Start preparing the chicken pictures flood

Princess Luna

Ah, yes. The chicken.

Shadow Wizard

The chicken did its role, doubt she'll be back.

Magisch

11:35 AM

@rene If you'd run, I'd vote for you

Shadow Wizard

^

Derpy

on an unrelated note, anyone can suggest a good string distance algorithm to use for performing some full name comparisons? Have to clean up some data... Was thinking to compute some Jaro–Winkler distance, but I notice that many of the records have reversed Name/Surname

Bart

11:57 AM

@rene if you want I can go in there and insult you a little. Just for the sake of balance

rene

@Bart Oh, please do :)

user310756

@Derpy aw

Journeyman Geek

1:20 PM

→ 20 messages moved to Chimney

quartata

2:19 PM

Should be fixed. Sticking around here for a bit just in case.

Oops

sd del

sd 2- del

Forgot you didn't get those, sorry

rene

I'll clean up when you're done, no worries

quartata

Also for future reference: if you want to block the Tavern, you gotta do it here

it assumes it's on the same network

rene

OK, I'll try to remember that

quartata

Pretty sure it's always been that way but I don't know

rene

It might have seemed to work

Everytime I used the command I didn't see reports from smokey during the Townhall meetings ... so ...

quartata

2:24 PM

I'll make it so that says a warning (since it would know if it was a room that it wasn't currently in)

rene

Yeah, that sounds like a good measure

rene

2:51 PM

→ 9 messages moved to Chimney

Transcript for