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12:25 AM
That's a surprise?
 
When did programmers , of all sorts , start to put spaces next to ‌​everything even their ( parens ) ? ! !
 
When they got to using so many parens they couldn't make 'em apart anymore
 
Oh you might be right.
 
@tchrist ... that slightly breaks my brain
actually... I can't read that 0_0
 
@JourneymanGeek Now you know why I have trouble with kids' code of late.
 
12:30 AM
I mean, the letters are there, but I can't...
whoa
 
What you can't read words that aren't separated by spaces?
Again, now you know another reason why I have trouble with kids' code of late
 
@tchrist I'm dyslexic. The processes I read with are odd
this... breaks it totally
 
They are separated by spaces... :P
 
Oh aye.
 
I've seen lots of weird spacing around punctuation... particularly on ELL.
 
12:32 AM
Two reasons for that one.
One is what they call “French punctuation”, like this ?
 
Yeah, space before the punctuation mark.
 
Where you put a thin space before things like colons and question marks and such.
 
They do that in French?
 
As it were.
Yes.
 
Something else I don't remember from high school.
 
12:34 AM
ah. Blowing it up to 200% helps
 
> With the advent of the typewriter in the late nineteenth century, typists adopted approximations of standard spacing practices to fit the limitations of the typewriter itself. French typists used a single space between sentences, consistent with the typeset French spacing technique, whereas English typists used a double space.

French spacing inserted spaces around most punctuation marks, but single-spaced after sentences, colons, and semicolons.

English spacing removed spaces around most punctuation marks, but double-spaced after sentences, colons, and semicolons.
But we also have the issue of people who are unused to the conventions of the Latin script we write in.
That's not the programming problem.
 
I wouldn't know. :)
 
I don't think they've read K&R.
This might be the problem. :)
Their models are different.
 
But an interesting thing, nonetheless... Though, I wonder how many French people still do that... most Americans, at least, have abandoned the double space after periods.
 
Oh they do.
Pick up anything written in French.
Notice the spaces around the colons and the chevrons.
And the question mark.
 
12:40 AM
I like the colons. They look nice... I've always been a fan of doing that around dashes that weren't in-word or creating hyphenated words... I've also seen people putting spaces around slashes.
 
UK publications tend to prefer spaced en dashes, US publications tend to prefer unspaced em dashes.
But programmers who put spaces before their semicolons are doing this just to spite me.
Like, I wouldn't have noticed it otherwise ?
 
If it makes you feel any better ^
 
Those ones don't have the abhorrent spaces around all their parens.
 
maybe someone should propose this for the next developer questionaire thing
 
I'll let Andy know you approve :P
 
12:46 AM
Seriously, that code looks fine, and isn't what I'm talking about.
I could show you but I'd have to change the names to protect the quilty.
 
Now quilting is more my speed...
 
Once upon a midnight cheery,
While I pondered sleek and __ry,
 
beery?
 
Yup. :)
Fractured Fairytales inspired by today's question on whether you could still use queer to mean "odd".
 
Huh... interesting. I have a feeling it'd fly in the UK over in the US?
 
12:51 AM
oh $deity
 
I only say that because every time I think of sentences that use "queer" to mean "odd", I say them in a British accent.
 
dearie?
heh
queer old bean
 
like that whole debate over whether George from famous 5 was....
 
famous five?
 
12:52 AM
I don't know who that is?
 
@Catija old enid blyton series.
 
It provoked the expected GTIUFANBQL discussion.
 
The Famous Five is a series of children's adventure novels written by English author Enid Blyton. The first book, Five on a Treasure Island, was published in 1942. The novels feature the adventures of a group of young children – Julian, Dick, Anne and Georgina (George) – and George's dog Timmy. The stories take place in the children's school holidays after they have returned from their respective boarding schools. Each time they meet they get caught up in an adventure, often involving criminals or lost treasure. Sometimes the scene is set close to George's family home at Kirrin Cottage in Dorset...
@tchrist alphabet soup?
 
Something like that, yes.
Get The Irish Under Fabulous Armor Nice Black Quilts, Ladies.
 
ah, alphabet soup
shrug. I have a bunch of friends who fall under that very big umbrella so...
 
12:57 AM
You aren't supposed to look under their quilts, you know.
That would be Scottish.
I was never a fan of QUILTBAG, but I feel like QUILTBANG is something I can get on board with. — Tom 8 hours ago
See what I mean? :)
What happens when your acronyms need acronyms of their own?
The only interesting bit was the cowtails and eggcorn.
 
@BillJ For all intensive purposes 'cowtail' is an eggcorn for kowtow. Don't take it for granite, check out the link. — Mitch 4 hours ago
So... is the eggcorn in the explanation by Mitch intentional?
"intensive" instead of "intents and"
 
Yes, he's being funny.
 
... and now I see the granite one...
that's what I get for only reading half the comment.
 
But Arnold Zwicky is a high-class reference of the first degree.
Reanalysis is an important source of language change: an eke-name and a nickname, a napron, a norange.
I did like the proposal that cowtails were the feminine version of oxtails as in soup.
Oh! God is an iron.
I never.
 
1:18 AM
?
 
I think of Arnold Zwicky as an eminent linguist who's the father of a programmer/sysadmin friend of mine, but he also has a history as a gay-rights activist which I'd forgotten, so citing him in the queer post struck me as coincidental in an amusing way.
An old Spider Robinson quote, that God must be an iron for how much irony the universe is filled with.
 
Ah, I see. :)
 
yep, morning
 
2:04 AM
6 hours ago, by Catija
Movies & TV by The Weinstein Company.
Bricks by LEGO... Arqade by Steam... Stack Overflow by Oracle...
@JourneymanGeek proposed on IOTA, but surely rejected
-2
Q: Replace points with Iota transactions

MattWhat would it take to replace the upvoting/points system on this site with Iota bounties/transactions instead? Iotaqa.com was already created, but it seems like that idea could apply to the many users here

 
user315433
2:29 AM
Oracle was a regular sponsor of the podcast... Wonder if they paid per issue, or a lump sum... In the latter case they might feel cheated after the podcast died.
 
3:02 AM
wait, the podcast died?
 
No... they just put an episode out today...
 
 
1 hour later…
user315433
 
user315433
I see, it's on soundcloud but not on the blog. soundcloud.com/stack-exchange/…
 
@FTP dat URL slug though...
 
user315433
It's the title of the podcast...
 
4:28 AM
 
@Feeds finger twitched
 
Ano
5:27 AM
@alexolut Is Stack Snippets enabled on Russian Stack Overflow?
@ShadowWizard That child is a "yummy cake"?
 
6:04 AM
@Catija my eyes!
 
user315433
6:47 AM
 
user315433
 
7:14 AM
@Ano haha, no... I replaced avatar again yesterday, the cake was before. While she's sweet, she's no cake. :D
 
 
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8:37 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, +3 more: fortraxitonetry.com/enduraflex-testo-boost/ by user279954 on apple.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: How can I use ADSL line with a broadband router? by Debbie on superuser.com
 
@SmokeDetector corporate lawyer of SE
 
Morning. I see that the "Why Shog has excluded my from nomination" post has disappeared. Was it self deleted due to "too much downvote" or did I miss some nice meta flame-war?
 
@SmokeDetector apparently the whole answer is a quote from SE's Privacy Policy... including "Who writes letters? Like with stamps and stuff? Ugh."
 
kaboom
@HTTP yeah, lazy troll
@Derpy it had two delete votes yesterday, shortly after being posted, most likely a third arrived. (from ordinary high rep users.)
yup @Journeyman cast the final vote. Voted to undelete, while it's truly bad, I don't think we should delete it.
 
Ano
8:51 AM
(I'm running a cleanup of posts. Right now my first stage is to find such ones that are already covered in existing s.)
@Shog9 Your response is appreciated: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/307782/…
 
9:15 AM
@ShadowWizard eh. I didn't feel it was aimed at being constructive
 
Hey @JourneymanGeek
What is screen size here: i.imgur.com/bKGgDTF.jpg ?
 
Uhd,27 or 28 inch
 
Looks even bigger than that
 
I'd know... :p
 
9:30 AM
And that's kind of the idea
 
I should buy one bigger screen for my laptop
may be 30-32inches
Journey, Also which OS it is ?
 
Windows. The trick is the browser. Using tab stacking and timing on Vivaldi. Oh and web snippets for the chat sidebar
 
Vivaldi is a browser ?
 
People are finally calling out the f2p games market on mobile :P
 
@JourneymanGeek TBH Seeing all running task together on a single screen, making it look really cool.
 
9:43 AM
Yup. Chrome fork by the old opera team.
Yup
 
> I've seen posts you people wouldn't believe. Personal attacks and flames in the chains of comments. I watched meta-trolls lurking in the dark near the Tavern gates. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to burinate.
 
@ShadowWizard Can anyone with 10k on Meta make a screen of that post? I'm interested
 
remember to include comments too, then.
 
9:59 AM
@ShadowWizard I strongly feel that that post should be left deleted
@Magisch ehh. Its mostly drama and blathering anyway
 
@JourneymanGeek I'm still interested
Does it hurt to screencap it?
 
oh, I already did.
I just kinda feel like we're giving him exactly what he wants.
 
@JourneymanGeek Attention?
I think he wants a diamond but will settle for attention as sloppy seconds :p
 
Well, it certainly ain't T Shirts
 
RIP Stephen Hawking
We just lost a really cool man
 
10:04 AM
^
 
@JourneymanGeek turns out it's disappointing low quality bait after all
his serious contributions must be pretty good if shog puts up with him at all
 
It's Evan Carroll after all
 
@JourneymanGeek I know, right?
People are taking him seriously and it feels weird
 
(sidenote: Google just suggested "Carroll" when I misspelled "Evan Caroll")
 
Well, more sophisticated than most trolls
Kinda likeable, even
 
10:10 AM
all the knowledge in the universe is useless... if you are alone because everyone left you.
 
@M.A.R. it feels like no one remembers
 
Peterh is just annoying, and the others are usually just whiny
@Derpy yay for random quote of the day
 
@JourneymanGeek I haven't been here for that long, is there a longer history with him?
 
.....
quite
 
@JourneymanGeek yeah, I'm surprised too. @Sha is discussing it like he's some guy with as many good ideas as bad
 
10:11 AM
hah
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A: Should negative reputation be discouraged?

ire_and_cursesEvan Carroll is a special case. He's not your average troll. He has thousands of points on Stack Overflow. Clearly, he 'gets' the system, and is in fact a valuable contributor. This strengthens the case that he is deliberately trolling Meta, and not just being completely clueless time after time....

sums it up well
 
Yeah, I didn't expect I knew him when I started SO-metaing in 2013... perhaps it's the year where he was also very active in Meta
 
More or less at one point, he was standing and getting kicked out of every election running
 
@M.A.R. Quote? I made that up right now.
And I meant that it must be pretty sad if the only way you have to share your knowledge is anonymous posting on the web... because no one is willing to put up with your toxic personality in order to meet you to ask you something in real life.
 
@Derpy so it's your quote
Only weirdos quote themselves
 
@Derpy At least you're sharing it then, though
 
10:20 AM
-- M.A.R.
 
The new raspi looks cool
though amusingly gigabit ethernet over USB 2.0 ._.
 
10:34 AM
@HTTP Did his account get deleted or something?
 
@JourneymanGeek maybe, but it is legit criticism. Highly unpopular, smells bad, but one of those things people should be able to post.
 
Lets agree to disagree ;p
 
@PrincessLuna nope, but even Google acknowledged him (or so I thought)
 
Yup. Ice cream? 🍦
 
10:36 AM
> 'Have I gone mad? I'm afraid so. You're entirely Bonkers. But I will tell you a secret, All the best people are.'
 
@ShadowWizard I scream
 
@HTTP I can't find any of his posts
 
@PrincessLuna who? Evan the Troll?
 
still there.
 
10:52 AM
spam alive for 11 minutes!!!!
Where's Smokey with all his bells and guns? :D
 
@ShadowWizard probably rate-limited
 
another spam from that person...
Could have gone unnoticed for long years.
 
@ShadowWizard reported already
 
Looks like a serious cross network spammer, too bad @JNat no longer nuke those. Expect lots more spam from that spammer. :/
@ɪʙᴜɢ when?
Smokey tells when a post was manually reported.
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by Glorfindel
!!/report https://stackoverflow.com/a/48899380/4751173
 
10:55 AM
My report was first then.
 
Smokey's rate-limited. Wait for some time.
 
@Glorfindel probably also looked on the spammer accounts in the same time I did.
@ɪʙᴜɢ sure, let's wait for hours/days before handling spam. Makes tons of sense.
 
@ShadowWizard gotta restore in a few minutes
 
@ShadowWizard all gone; also, whaddya mean by "JNat no longer nukes those?"
 
@JNat oh, thanks! Well, you ignored all my last calls over the past weeks (three, I think) so assumed you quit that role. :)
 
10:59 AM
@ShadowWizard I did? Can you point me to those, if still relevant?
I must've missed 'em
 
@JNat sure, only two though.
Jan 31 at 6:54, by Shadow the Hedgehog Wizard
@JNat cross network spammer https://stackexchange.com/users/12838016/spromotoers?tab=activity looks like they spammed four sites already. You're still into nuking them? :)
Dec 12 '17 at 8:32, by Shadow Wizard
whoa... @JNat if you're still into this, cross site spammer to be nuked.
(both spammers still not nuked at the time I posted the above :))
 
@ShadowWizard This one is suspended 'til '28, so I took action on it
 
they must've recreated an account
 
Only 10 years?! :D
 
11:00 AM
on SO
@ShadowWizard same for this one... except I had already taken action on 'em back in December '17 — oh, on the day of that ping, yeah
 
Well, feels good to find and nuke old spam. :P
 
Again, they created a new profile on SO... but it's suspended, network-wide
 
OK, I won't give up on you, @JNat. Thanks again!
 
@ShadowWizard Maybe I didn't reply to you, and you assumed that meant I hadn't taken action?
 
@JNat true
 
11:02 AM
@JNat Heh
 
well, now we know ;P
 
yup :D
 
Do you also deal with sockpuppetry directly JNat?
 
hey don't steal him away! ;)
 
@Magisch whaddya mean? Mods are generally the first line of defense against those
they're equipped to deal with those
 
11:03 AM
Ok, I'll wait for a mod to notice then
 
not when it's complex voting rings, ordinary mods don't have the tools, I think.
@Magisch hope you'll become moderator on SO, that would be the end of sock puppets there! :-D
(dirty socks, that is, not socks like I have ;))
 
@Magisch If they escalate 'em, though, I'm as much on the other end of that as I am with vote invalidation stuff, yeah
 
@ShadowWizard socks you had - Steals socks
 
@ShadowWizard I don't have high hopes tbh
Voting on SO is mostly based on drive by and rep, and I have very little of that
 
@Magisch who knows... :)
steals socks back from @Journeyman, fixing holes made by the sharp teeth
 
11:05 AM
My hunch is I won't make it through the primary
 
Ideally, both you and @Yvette will be elected, @Magi. :)
 
Ideally, Art would be elected :)
 
@M.A.R. hmm? (and yes, this comes instead of daily ping! ;))
 
11:11 AM
\o/
 
@ShadowWizard Post Why should I not upvote spam? does not look like spam.
 
hehe, !!/scan just scans a post, and report it if it looks like spam
specifically useful if smokey missed something or when you're not sure to !!/report it.
@ShadowWizard Did you check this MS report?
> Post manually reported by user *Shadow Wizard* in room *Tavern on the Meta*.
>
> This post would have also been caught for: Blacklisted website in body
> Body - Position 260-275: babasupport.org
note the extra information (analysis) for a reported post.
 
Nice.
@Alisha what are you doing here?
 
user359686
@ShadowWizard Getting in to bed, baby.
 
11:19 AM
@Alisha you want a beer?
 
user359686
@ShadowWizard Sure.
 
scary
@Alisha please give beer to @Bart, will you?
 
user359686
@ShadowWizard Why, when you put this on the trunk!...
 
@Alisha whose bed are you going into?
 
user359686
@ShadowWizard I'm thinking of what you're gonna get to hear me.
 
11:20 AM
@Alisha Stop right now. Get poor @Bart out of that trunk!
 
user359686
@PrincessLuna I know it didn't want to see any of them.
 
@Alisha hi! welcome to [tavern.se]. we hope you enjoy the chat
 
user359686
@HTTP Thanks. I'm here, sir.
 
scary
 
@Alisha are you the start of the singularity?
 
user359686
11:24 AM
@PrincessLuna No. I try by a list. A deal is it really... Maybe... it's more me.
 
user359686
@PrincessLuna The most who said my family could kill through him. His father was telling me.
 
@Alisha are you old enough to be here?
 
user359686
@PrincessLuna No.
 
@ShadowWizard mmh? (and yes, this comes instead of daily ping! ;))
 
11:28 AM
@M.A.R. A ping a day keeps the sanity away~
 
@Alisha why did you lie?
 
user359686
@ShadowWizard What?
 
in Shadow's Den, 19 hours ago, by Alisha
@ShadowWizard Eighteen.
huh? Spammer suspended for rule violations??
Biraj Shah, Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India
1
(the microwave spammer mentioned here)
 
@ShadowWizard lmfao
 
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11:35 AM
@ShadowWizard o.O
@SmokeDetector K
 
user310756
@ShadowWizard I'm polling - well polling isn't the right word for it - voted second last on meta O>O me thinks some people don't want me to be mod - more wide eyes O.O lol
 
user310756
@Magisch in all honesty - the only thing holding you back is your rep
 
user310756
but if Art is elected that will smash that glass ceiling
 
@M.A.R. your nose is a dot?
 
user310756
@ShadowWizard hey nothing wrong with a dot nose
 
11:40 AM
@ShadowWizard as long as it isn't red, or @M.A.R. will have a lot to do with cats :p
 
@YvetteColomb what you mean? @ArtOfCode is also female? Or other ceiling?
 
@PrincessLuna What's wrong with my typing today? xD
 
user310756
@ShadowWizard rep. i no longer discuss gender
 
@PrincessLuna red nose is fine and cool
 
@ShadowWizard no, it didn't fit in the picture
 
11:42 AM
@YvetteColomb oh
@SmokeDetector gone
 
@YvetteColomb you've broken even on Meta though (+38 -38)
 
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@Alisha I'm lonely and you're scary
 
user359686
@HTTP You sure you're not?
 
@HTTP why is Alisha scary?
 
11:52 AM
@Alisha why are you scary, once again?
 
user359686
@HTTP It's an accident. No wonder which I had no idea what she said. That's his well.
 
^
 
@Alisha sigh we've talked about this. Lay off the scotch!
 
user359686
@PrincessLuna We keep those men!
 
@Alisha and stop kidnapping people! And let poor @Bart out of that trunk!
 
user359686
11:54 AM
@PrincessLuna I just m waiting for you to
 
user310756
@PrincessLuna lol that is not unusual for me.
 
//getRank -197
 
user359686
@PrincessLuna User Chicken has the rank 10
 
@YvetteColomb Good luck with the election btw! :)
 
 
12:05 PM
what about pi pies?
 
white pie day?
 
 
@Alisha What are you?
 
user359686
@Magisch I'm a furry...
 
@Alisha Well who are you then
 
user359686
12:08 PM
@Magisch I'm... if you'll remember, how would I know about that?
 
hopes no one noticed
 
I know you're running it @PrincessLuna
 
@Alisha On this message, yes
 
user359686
@PrincessLuna If it's such a joke...
 
@Alisha you like pie?
 
user359686
12:10 PM
@ShadowWizard Back day? Yes, I think you should still just talked a thing with me.
 
@Magisch and the code is running on my computer
 
@Alisha how many lines is your code?
 
user359686
@ShadowWizard Uh -- -
 
@ShadowWizard somewhere between 1 and 3000
 
12:14 PM
It's somewhere close to 2000
@Magisch If you were talking about the replies, no
 
user310756
@PrincessLuna thanks - what will be will be :)
 
user310756
I'm hanging out for @TelautonomousKitty to get back ... missing her
 
> PyShadowingNames
I'm in your code! @Princess :P
 
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Q: Is SE inclusive of young users?

ZuboOn the one hand, quality control is paramount for SE success, so posting guidelines need to be adhered to. New users are often unfamiliar with SE rules. This can sometimes result in a somewhat blunt response to homework questions, for example. Although this often happens in complete agreement wit...

 
user310756
@TelautonomousKitty this is a pic of Tuppence today
 
12:21 PM
Can someone sum this up?
 
user310756
 
@M.A.R. "make SE more friendly to young users" is my impression of it
@ShadowWizard lol
 
@M.A.R. sum what? Tuppence?
 
user310756
@ShadowWizard Tuppence is the name of the 1.9 horses in the above pic
 
huh... @Yve are you aware of the slang meaning of the horse name? o_O
Googled it to see if it's some common horse name...
 
user310756
12:30 PM
@ShadowWizard oh no!!!! don't tell me!!! Nooooooooooo if you tell me I'll slap you
 
I won't... but it doesn't mean it's not...
And you should know better... threatening to slap me only makes me do this.... :D
 
@YvetteColomb when's the foal due?
 
user310756
@Magisch end of next month :) 11 month pregnancy
 
@ShadowWizard Yvette
 
user310756
@ShadowWizard okokok No slaps for you if you tell me!
 
12:33 PM
You can't sum @Yve, @M.A.R.. She's too complex.
@YvetteColomb noooooooooooo... can't live... without... slaps....
 
user310756
@M.A.R. oh she's my pregnant filly. I bought her as a rescue, very thin. I'm hoping the foal is ok.
 
status-not-telling
 
user310756
@ShadowWizard lolol you always crack me up
 
@M.A.R. whoops xD
 
user310756
12:38 PM
@Magisch I'll spam the litterbox with foal pics when s/he's born. I'll ping you :D
 
foaltastic
 
ugh, I read "foal" as "coal"
 
12:53 PM
@YvetteColomb foals are cute <3
 
Horsepuppies
 
Puppies <3
 

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