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Evan Carroll

3:00 PM

@Glorfindel Cool according to that I'm #80

Feeds

There were actually some good reasons for those laws, but IMO they now do more harm than good. Which raises a question: If there's a ballot measure to strike them down, how can I resist the urge to take a picture of my "yes" vote?

Shadow Wizard

New image uploader, new bugs. :(

Tinkeringbell

3:18 PM

Autumn is almost over. Then there will be no more new bugs.

Tim Post

^^^ This is optimism turned into an art form

Magisch

post-factual, you could say even

Tim Post

I'm tempted to change my last name to "Pre" and then take a sabbatical just to discover a whole new set of implications.

Magisch

Puns are a lighthearted way to break the ice in social situations :D

And I have a black belt in subpar punnery

Derpy

on the left, terminal output of clamscan.

on the right, clamTK log.

why the different know viruses counts??

Somewhat

3:27 PM

... Viruses Overflow?

Derpy

@ShadowWizard I fear both our questions will get the same ending. Utterly ignored :P

Shog9

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A: How many chat flags are required to remove a message/ban a user?

These are the current numbers ("current" because they can obviously be changed, but there aren't any plans to do so; they have been like this for a while): The threshold is six, meaning the net flag count of the message has to reach six. Net flag count means the number of flags minus the number ...

Robert Columbia

Today will surely be a record day for off-topic posts on MSE. Someone should write a Halloween horror story - The Day of the Off-Topic Questions.

Magisch

In this Halloween horror story we find out shog is actually a disembodied head and has been haunting SE for a decade

Somewhat

When off-topic questions are scarier than most ghosts...

Shadow Wizard

3:32 PM

@Derpy maybe... I got upvote. Done my part. ;)

@Shog9 so simple. So old. Thanks! :)

When will welcome wagon reach chat aka when will chat flags get a total overhaul?

Shog9

:shrug:

Shadow Wizard

checking what date that means

status-overflow

Kevin B

"When will welcome wagon reach chat" i mean, it has. we have a shiny new welcome dialog for new users, and people are now more willing to cast flags on unkind messages

Tinkeringbell

@KevinB Yeah but chat flagging is still kinda hidden (and slow)

Somewhat

oooh, night drama show about 'abusive cluser'...

Tinkeringbell

3:50 PM

Cluser? What's that?

Somewhat

> I had used [curator] when I copypasted my question, but it emerged it was an already used term, so I had to make up another one. CLose-privilege USER --> CLUSER

(yeah, it's a drama show on MSE, though the rating might not be too high this time...)

hmm, anyway, that's not my objective of browsing MSE

I just wanted to know about the new image uploader, which... was the new feature balpha implemented?

Anne Daunted

@Shog9 I'm sorry for that. But my flags seem to have been justified, considering that basically all of them were considered helpful. I just thought I clean up the remnants of the pre-MSE era a bit. Sorry again, I didn't intend to make your work / life harder.

Shog9

not a big deal, just curious what triggered it

Anne Daunted

I thought I check out that search combination and saw all those SO tag requests. And then, I just couldn't stop (else I would have had to do actual work)

Derpy

4:14 PM

@Somewhat found out. Turns out it probably depends on some options, like using PUA definitions or not

Somewhat

@Derpy good to know ;)

> You can now paste or drag and drop an image into the editor

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard psst: you can aim your blame with Smokey

Somewhat

I AM SO HAPPY.

Now the problem is, can I (or how long will it take to) overwrite my muscle memory not to click that image button? :)

Shadow Wizard

4:36 PM

@Tinkeringbell and impossible to understand

@Mithrandir so it's well hidden. Kudos! ;)

Some obscure regex?

!!/blame {{foo bar}}

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard It's Gabe's fault.

Shadow Wizard

Nope.

!!/blame "s/{{i}}/g/Shog"

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard It's balpha's fault.

Shadow Wizard

no no

Oh well, will further try to find the hidden command later.

@Somewhat read that as "cluster" and wondered how a cluster can be abusive. Still do. ;)

Shog9

4:59 PM

@ShadowWizard trying this instead: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/ask/advice

Somewhat

> It's the wrong place to ask most questions

:)

it's not yet finished, right? still can proceed without (re)searching and/or ticking that checkmark...

Shog9

@Somewhat well you can, because you're not a new user on MSE.

create a new 1-rep account & try it

Somewhat

oh, oops >_<

user194636

5:22 PM

@Shog9 Do you have some sort of alert on links with double protocols? Or did you just happen to be on DBA? Don't see many edits from you 🙂

Shog9

@PaulWhite search

user194636

cool

Shog9

This is causing errors. People are entering https://https://. So far, that error has slipped through for 15 posts (14 + 1). That's 15/(54 + 14) = 22% of all such errors on the Stack Exchange Network in the very brief time the dialog has been working this way. [Note: I have not double checked each occurrence, it's possible that a few are intentional.] At this rate, the problem is going to be quite significant. — Makyen 2 hours ago

balpha grabbed the ones on SO (which were the bulk of them), but this caught a handful of others scattered across the network

user194636

2 hours ago, by Tinkeringbell

Autumn is almost over. Then there will be no more new bugs.

user194636

seems this was premature

Somewhat

5:30 PM

For hyperlinks, I guess I'm an outlier who just writes its markdown manually :)

Shog9

I do both

long URLs make the markdown hard to read, so using ctrl+L to insert a footnote-style link helps

short URLs make the markdown easier to read, so I put them inline

also, if I'm writing a post in a normal text editor, I almost always just put the links inline because it's easier

Somewhat

If only the next feature is to scan ![image](https://non-stack-imgur.com) and prompt the user whether they want to upload them to SE Imgur before posting (after clicking 'submit'), then it'd perfect and I can ditch the whole toolbar

or probably I should embrace the shortcut keys more...

Shog9

copy image, ctrl+v, enter is such an elegant workflow

user194636

CTRL-G, CTRL-V brought me to SE in the first place

user194636

my previous site made adding images nothing short of torturous

canon

5:44 PM

@Somewhat I'll occassionally use a manual html as well... depending on how hard markdown is fighting the formatting I'm try to achieve.

Tinkeringbell

@PaulWhite I said no more bugs after Autumn is over :P

Still Autumn, isn't it?

canon

what a garbled mess... I swear English is my first language.

canon

6:11 PM

@Shog9 any idea why pasting an image into the body of the post opens the image interface instead of just processing the image and injecting it automatically? Seems like an unnecessary step... especially given that there's doesn't appear to be anything else handled in that image UI, i.e.: alt-text.

Shog9

@canon no wasted uploads, no irritating pauses (while that upload happens), chance to avoid accidentally uploading something you didn't realize was on your clipboard...

Kevin B

yeah... we have that feature with the dark SO chat theme... it just auto uploads anything you paste to the window and posts it.

definitely prone to user error

canon

@Shog9 fair enough. That said, if there's the potential for a long-running upload, perhaps that's a good time to gather alt-text from the user.

Shadow Wizard

6:53 PM

@Shog9 better than nothing. Curious to see stats tomorrow. :)

@canon keep in mind that once uploaded it will be there forever, even if never posted. Anyone can stumble upon anything uploaded to imgur. :)

John Dvorak

Not true. I presume the things on i.stack.imgur.com are set as private, as making them public would cause a massive mess on usersub? SE also doesn't publish drafts anywhere, so no spilling the URLs that way? So, anyone trying to get hands on "anything uploaded to imgur" is left with just guessing random hashes to see if anything comes out of it?

Shadow Wizard

7:10 PM

@JohnDvorak random hashes it is. Still, with only 6 characters you don't get infinite amount.

Optimus Prime

Optimus comes from cosmos, so he must know more than me about Mars.. Maybe humans are maybe up to a cheesy discovery by 2022...+1 for giving us the heads up! Hope you like my cheesy riddle, as much I enjoyed your ... cheesy insight! — gsamaras 6 hours ago

canon

@ShadowWizard True... though, nothing says you have to upload those pasted images right away. You've already got the image data, you could leave it in memory until the whole post is submitted... then upload them and resolve all of your links after the fact. Of course, that wouldn't play well with the existing pipeline...

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Anything? Oh dear... I need to delete some stuff :P

SmokeDetector

7:33 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (347): Is income coming into saving account in India from Dubai taxable? by Mr Paul Green on money.SE

Shog9

8:08 PM

@canon it's definitely possible, but at some point it's a lot of work (and a lot of potentially-fragile scripting) to avoid a step that's probably kinda welcomed for a bunch of folks.

John Dvorak

Just wondering - could SE get in trouble for the content their users shove onto their Imgur account?

Shog9

8:26 PM

don't store your bitcoins there

canon

@Shog9 that and storing image data in localStorage for drafts probably wouldn't be great. Actually, I haven't looked to see how drafts are preserved...

Shog9

we could definitely use a better system for storing drafts; I think someone may be working on that

But regardless, imagine writing an answer with a dozen or so large images

And then imgur balks on, say, image #7

canon

What do we allow, 2MB? What does imgur crush that down to? #ALLTHECOMPRESSION

@Shog9 images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/mf_image_16x9/…

Shog9

The nice thing about the current system is, it's very easy to predict what it's gonna do

if I'm half-way through writing a post and my browser crashes or whatever, that draft is probably fine

if I wanna be extra sure, I copy the text out into an editor, save it locally as a text file, drop it onto google drive or whatever... It's fine. Nothing is gonna expire or get lost.

Magisch

eeeek drafts

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