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that's what happens if you remove "don't be evil" from your manifesto
 
 
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2:24 AM
trustful morning ๐Ÿ˜Ž
before it goes south after afternoon's meeting...
 
well.
...I suppose it's over 9000 then
 
I just started using vegeta at work and itโ€™s main value is giving me an excuse to drop DBZ GIFs into Slack.
 
now you just need an excuse to end conference calls by yelling "kamehameha"
 
I guess I missed my chance: today.
 
user194636
3:41 AM
@Tinkeringbell Not in my hemisphere, no ๐Ÿ™‚
 
3:58 AM
approaching rainy season here...
 
4:13 AM
Looks like YouTube updated its UI for embedded videos?
 
For some reason I assumed Vegeta was a yeasty spread
 
We also had (still have?) "natural dietary fibre supplement"
 
Rob
4:28 AM
There's also a popular seasoning, which is mostly salt and MSG:
 
4:39 AM
Good news is my eyes are back to normal.
 
@JourneymanGeek yay! (ฮ˜ใƒฎฮ˜)
 
Rob
What happened to your eyes?
 
5:00 AM
@Rob had sore eyes
well one of my eyes periodically decides to make my life a living hell
as someone whose job is literally to stare at screens until something breaks...
 
Rob
Ah, that doesn't sound fun at all
 
no
and I don't really have anyone to cover me
so alllll manner of fun
 
A larger screen would help with that
That way you could sit further back from it
 
biggish screens
but lots of info
 
Size matters :P
 
5:09 AM
Agreed
work's 2x 24 inch. + one more I can connect to my laptop
 
I use a 84" screen, since I am on the computer so often during the work week. It helps to prevent eye strain.
 
5:51 AM
my home setup is 2x 27 inch
work's work tho. Its what they supply
 
Yeah, that tends to be the case in most places, no changing that.
 
also its a bit of a job design thing - 12 hour shifts + its very tricky to find cover
 
Make triggers for your screens that cause a little buzzer to zap you. Then you can nap in between alerts :D
 
@TravisJ actually one of our notification systems makes noise
and needs to be refreshed every half hour or will log off
whch is dumb
 
script the refresh :D
noise != electrical buzz
(although if it is jarring enough maybe there is still an equivalence)
 
6:07 AM
@TravisJ tempting but its a locked down PC
which incidentally means it has IE9
 
user script?
 
6:20 AM
IE9 ;p
 
You can run a user script in IE9
 
lol tempting
 
Log in to the system to create your cookie, use javascript: from the url, replace the contents of the page by inserting an iframe into the page with the same current page being loaded, reload the iframe every 20 minutes.
 
tbh, I wish we could swap it out with vivaldi ;p
 
(googling)
 
6:25 AM
chrome/blinked based browser
has a really nice multipane feature
 
It may render similar to chrome, but it doesn't look like it uses V8
Still, anything is better than IE9
 
ya
on the other hand, tab tiling and the web snippet/sidebar functions are ace
 
that sir. Appears to be an angry cow
that as such might be all three
 
It was purported to be skeptical cow
See. This is why you don't see any professional cow actors.
 
6:44 AM
well, its basically the dude who used to run opera go "damn it, I could do better"
and then building features incrementally
 
looks like smug than angry...
 
It is futuristic cow. You can tell by the flux capacitor like emblem on the forehead.
 
7:14 AM
10 messages moved to Chimney
 
@TravisJ I am moooved by that arguement
 
7:30 AM
How's your eye? @Journeyman
 
7:58 AM
@ShadowWizard better
 
morning!
 
@JourneymanGeek eye you feeling better then?
 
@Magisch baaad. :P
Come on, you can do better, I know it ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell I can do butter
@JourneymanGeek so you're fully back? :)
 
Mostly
its about 90%
but its not swollen shut
.... 80%
 
8:02 AM
@TravisJ funny, I actually had such a thing once. Before IE9. Don't remember for what exactly, it was years before SE even existed.
 
@JourneymanGeek gotta keep the lid on the excitement of you being back
 
I was active on some ASP forum back then...
@Magisch let's all pray @Journeyman's eye will keep being fine! :D
 
lol
all yall will probably do fine if I need to take a sickie or two ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek I see what you did there ;)
 
My bounties are bigger! :D
 
8:07 AM
@Tinkeringbell the typo was unintentional ... hence the 80%
 
lol
Typo got little to do with eye sight though. It's mostly internal bug. ;)
On the contrary: seeing it in time means your eyes are just fine, so it's more like 95%
 
I'd have caught it though
 
Before posting?? It's really rare. No?
 
very common ;p
 
So, what's the daily drama? I'm sure there is one, or we can find something. :P
hmm... is the new image uploader bad enough to justify drama?
considering options
 
8:13 AM
WAIT
there's a new image uploader?
 
Sort of.
There's no dialog anymore, it's now embedded inside the editor itself.
Click and see...
Or see MSE front page. ;)
 
!!!! a popular feature change
 
Not really...
 
its a positive score ;p
and I actually think its pretty good
 
It does have nice set of bugs and things they removed in the name of responsiveness.
Let's check the focus bug...
 
8:18 AM
well, the former is expected
 
Focus bug fixed.
 
meta.stackexchange.com/a/317603/135565 this one is amusing since IIRC Joe used to work on MS office
 
Well, I miss the option to close the image upload by clicking anywhere outside of it. Now we can close it and get back to edit only by either uploading or clicking Cancel.
not spam
 
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throwing Candy Crush on @rene
 
8:26 AM
throw up waffles
 
collecting @rene's waffles and put them all in a jar for later use
 
I think those are... post consumer waffles
 
Nah. Waffles are always edible.
 
I remember now why I stopped reviewing close votes on SO
 
If too dry, just put inside coffee for few seconds and they taste awesome. :P
@Magisch because of waffles?
Sam isn't a bad person. Really! :D
 
8:32 AM
too dry won't be a problem...
 
Contains maggots? They'll drown in the coffee. Problem also solved. ;)
Proud for being so smart
getting sick due to eating old dry waffles with maggots
:P
 
8:54 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in body (99): Are you Looking for Dubai Tours and Activities by Kristy Honey on travel.SE
 
9:04 AM
Is that blog post still planned?
 
I hope so
one of the frustrating parts of being sick is not being able to keep track of the grapevine
 
grapevine??
 
Well the discussion post is no longer featured and near impossible to find unless you know about it since it's downvoted off the front page
 
@Journeyman ^
 
@ShadowWizard the rumour mill. The vertiable font of gossip....
 
9:09 AM
@Magisch Tim said to wait, so we wait. :)
And wait.
Guess I'll start to worry in 3 months or so.
 
@ShadowWizard in their defense...
 
(assuming no blog post until then or no update)
 
they did get caught with their proberbial pants down in a few respects
This goes a fair bit further than a series of twitter mistakes
 
:D
@JourneymanGeek how so?
 
@ShadowWizard well, it also in a very major way calls to question a fair amount of their community stratergy
 
9:13 AM
Tim has a major point with the "Getting managers out of bed" thing. If something like this goes down, people are usually unsatisfied with responses even an hour later
Internet time is just really really rapid, doubly so on twitter
 
@Magisch that's a thing
Well, sometimes fast is the enemy of good ;p
Its as much about as the right people as the speed of doing things
 
eh
to some extent yeah but this is the web. Outrage propagates in seconds
 
Like flames in a dry field...
Then it can take weeks and months to fix the damage and plant new crops.
 
The damage isn't just external thought
 
I've rolledback a retag here. Am I missing something? Or was that users just hunting for a badge?
Oh, a regular from SOCVR wonders about the same
 
9:24 AM
@JourneymanGeek hhh... I read that as "take a sickle".... >_<
time to coffee
 
I have one already, thanks
 
@ShadowWizard my current view is you can't really make the haters happy. There's a few whose views might align with what SO corp wants to be - but its not a matter of writing blog posts.
 
!!/waffle
 
@Somewhat No such command 'waffle'.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer (77): CFS loop inside Posts (Blog) page - Invalid argument supplied by Barackjohn on wordpress.SE
 
@Somewhat thanks ...
 
9:34 AM
To all the Catholics: Enjoy your day off! (All Saints day...)
 
@rene that was just a wrong edit, maybe some weird mistake. Cat on keyboard? First and only MSO action, main user appears fine too.
Keep an eye, if happens again ping the user in chat and see what's going on...
 
@ShadowWizard Cat on keyboard alert: My Ubuntu install is set to shut down when the power button is pressed (emergency power off in case of spillage) and I'e actually had a cat shut down my machine!
 
@JourneymanGeek issue is the core team of members who slowly but surely drift away. Haters from outside, or those who choose to break everything and rage quit, can't be satisfied indeed, ever, and SE should not bother about them a bit, IMO.
@Fabby lol what a bad cat! :D
 
damn pesky animals. ;-) >:-)
Where I am now, the cat has been drained not to touch the computer lying on the floor though it's nice and warm.
My normal cat training method (water pistol) couldn't be used in this case though, so I've found a new way of training cats.
(folded socks)
Hah! When does this happen on Windows???
The following packages will be upgraded:
  curl libcurl3 libcurl3-gnutls secureboot-db
4 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.
Need to get 8,398 B/518 kB of archives.
After this operation, 21.5 kB DISK SPACE WILL BE FREED.
(emphasis mine)
 
@Fabby When you run the cleanup tool?
'Empty recycle bin'
 
9:43 AM
eh, careful, some people here are sensitive when it comes to animals...
 
@ShadowWizard ACHOO
 
not that cold again!!!!!
running away in panic
 
@Tinkeringbell >:-) That also cleans up under Ubuntu...
 
@ShadowWizard No, it's the animal sensitivity :P
 
@ShadowWizard Water pistol is the perfect non-violent way to train cats
 
9:45 AM
@ShadowWizard yes and no
 
(and socks are soft: it just scares them when they're thrown in a 75° arc and only land on top of the computer)
 
swiping nylon socks on a cat?
 
@Fabby Depends on whether or not it's a clean sock XD
 
We do kinda need to work on the core but there's ways we can address some of the issues that folks brought up
 
@Tinkeringbell eww
 
9:47 AM
@Tinkeringbell Clean socks, folded up!
(My dirty socks are total HAZMAT material!)
;-) :-)
 
@Fabby If you fold/ball them up well enough, they make quite solid projectiles though!
 
Quite frankly. I've got nearly a decade on SE. I nearly instinctively get how things work and where I don't, I have some small influence here. Very few users instinctively get how to do SE well
 
"Go with the flow"?
 
@Tinkeringbell I don't want to hurt the cat: just train them that a computer is a NO GO place, though it's nice and warm...
 
@Fabby Hmmm. I've never had to train a cat. Just brothers.
 
9:49 AM
@JourneymanGeek When the dog barks, we listen!
:D ;-)
 
meow
 
@Tinkeringbell :D They're worse!
(you the oldest?)
 
@Fabby Yep, have two younger siblings ;)
 
@Somewhat eh, there's a few parts. SE had a few good ideas and no idea of scale
 
@Fabby well if you need folded socks ammo, just call!
Jun 25 '14 at 17:49, by Shadow Wizard
user image
 
9:52 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username, shortened url in answer, blacklisted user (125): My son is 6, and his guitar teacher wants me to buy him a 4/4 guitar! by openInvent on music.SE
 
(actually there's a relative newbie I hope turns up on chat. I actually think she's mod material)
 
@SUPERPING
 
Here? Or on SU?
 
@ShadowWizard I have a very peculiar way of folding socks: you can stack them 10 high so I don't need a drawer to put my socks in.
(Italian aunt taught me how to fold socks)
 
9:54 AM
I actually rarely fold, wife do it. :)
 
The advantagous of single life: I get to do everything just the way I want it!
>:-) ;-)
 
@JourneymanGeek mod material ... that couldn't be less sensitive I guess ...
 
Well, I don't want to fold socks. :D
 
@rene not in terms of scretness
@ShadowWizard on SU
 
@ShadowWizard The folding is easy: the sorting is difficult!
 
9:56 AM
@JourneymanGeek oh, so like @rene said you can start private chat, explain stuff, and see if she's really up for this. :)
@Fabby sorting?????
 
@ShadowWizard well, or just wait, and hope she sticks around/tumbles into chat ;p
 
Why on earth sort socks?
I just pile them together in the drawer and choose randomly every day. :D
 
merge sort
left and right ones
 
@ShadowWizard I remember not wanting to wake up my then girlfriend and just putting on a pair of socks from the unfolded bunch at 7 AM in the near dark and a few hours later someone told me:
Hey you have one dark green and one dark red sock on (obviously they looked both the same colour in the dark)
 
9:58 AM
ME: Yeah! Cool isn't it? And guess what?
 
Well I mean do have the socks folded in some way so such mistake won't happen, just not sort it by size or color. ;)
 
I have another pair just like that at home!
 
eh, just own lots of identical tube socks
 
I got a very weird look and from that point forward I was known as "the weirdo IT guy" at that customer...
(I couldn't care less...)
@ShadowWizard Does that answer your question about sorting socks??? ;-)
 
@Fabby lol... did you ever tell the g/f she caused you such a mess? ;)
@Fabby ohhh... you mean before folding. Sure, lol. :D
Thought you meant sorting after folding.
 
10:01 AM
@ShadowWizard Yeah, that evening... She laughed her head off and told me I should just have said that person (a woman) what really happened.
 
I do fold the laundry, so when there are many socks I put them all on the table and play "find the matching sock". :P
 
@ShadowWizard with the kids???
Great game!
 
@Fabby lol no it's usually around 1 AM
With myself. :D
Kids would enjoy such a game, but it will result in 6-8 flying socks, broken things, etc... better be avoided. :D
 
@ShadowWizard I used to play that game with my brother's, then sister's then cousin's kids...
They stop liking that game around the age of 12 when they understand it's actual work...
 
rofl
"Wash my dishes" game!
"Sponge the house" game!
 
10:04 AM
Plant flowers game is the best!
Crocuses: let's plant them in a star form!
4 months later: Why do you have crocuses growing in your garden in the form of the Star of David???
Answer: because to a 5 year old kid 2 triangles is easier then a 5-pointed star...
@ShadowWizard ¯\_(ใƒ„)_/¯
 
10:17 AM
lol
 
10:34 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title (195): what are the best online english learning courses in india? by Adrobook on english.SE
 
"Favorite" indicator badge on the profile is surely weeird....
On my SO profile, it lists 80 questions, but 140 on the indicator badge...
well, unless there were 60 questions that got deleted...
 
11:07 AM
I never bothered with it.
 
neither do I, but when I see it...
 
11:22 AM
I just let it stay there, blue and sad. :D
 
11:41 AM
20K static meta.stackexchange.com/q/317644/158100 /cc @ShadowWizard @Bart @Glorfindel @TravisJ (got an upvote)
 
> The favorites tab on your profile has a counter indicating how many of your favorite questions have received answers since you last viewed that tab. When you click on the tab, recently changed questions will be highlighted. "Changed" includes comments on or edits to the question and new or edited answers. This is a way to get updates on questions that you yourself didn't ask.
So there's been 140 'changes' to those 80 questions ;)
 
Envelope was better.
 
Envelope?
 
Yup.
The Envelope.
 
Don't be so mean to me and please explain what that is?
 
11:45 AM
10
Q: Eeeek! Why do you change core functionality without asking us for feedback first?

Andreas BoniniSo you guys are all familiar with what happened with the envelope and the website design. Since the website is very mature now and people don't really expect experimental/unfinished changes being deployed on all websites, I'm just wondering why you don't make a meta post asking for feedback befo...

 
@ShadowWizard That still doesn't explain what the envelope was!
 
Wow that's ugly
 
The envelope lit up when there were changes.
It was magical.
 
But the inbox thingy does the same, as does my diamond :P
 
11:49 AM
@ShadowWizard i thought you're talking about the new inbox icon...
 
@Somewhat new? new new? Impossible to follow... ;)
 
The tob par update one with new review indicator...
 
I miss the envelope
Also outrage over design changes is a SE tradition
 
I don't get that. We change clothes regularly and want them to be fashionable, we want our furniture to not be outdated either... but if a website changes a design... we get mad :P
 
@JourneymanGeek aka "Eeeeek"
 
11:53 AM
WUT? Is the envelope gone? rage quits again
 
@Tinkeringbell it's as if your mother will choose your new clothes.
 
Talking about rage quitting...
 
(or brothers. or friends. ;))
 
we should probably let @Bart know it's safe to return ;)
 
huh? @Bart was scared of something?
 
11:54 AM
@ShadowWizard Last time I saw them, they were going to stay out of the room until all the ranting was done ;)
Haven't seen any ranting for two days, so it's safe to return ;)
 
@ShadowWizard which is probably what happens for @Tinkeringbell ... I see myself out ...
 
@rene It's mostly brothers and friends ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell them? We have TWO BARTS now?! hides
 
@Tinkeringbell You're not easily offended, right ;)
 
@ShadowWizard Hey, I don't know the gender of glasses...
Also... glasses is a multiple thingy
@rene Nope. I either bite back or think people aren't worth my offense :P
 
11:57 AM
that is reassuring ...
feeling worthless right now ...
 
I'll bite ;)
 
@rene check in Den... even I wasn't able to offend her so I'll say she's Immune. :D
 
@rene Tim Post found his keys.
 
I can get angry or disappointed, but I've never really been offended.
It's a weird word for a weird 'feeling'
 
@Glorfindel I call that success
 
11:59 AM
Bart: male
rene: male
Shadow: male
Tinker: female
Journeyman: male
somewhat: male
Glorfindel: male
Andras: male
Fabby: male
Smokey: both
Derpy: ?
Partial list only! ^
:P
 
@ShadowWizard Derpy is a pony, right? :P
 
You can safely refer to each by the above gender. "Them" would just appear weird. :D
@Tinkeringbell well pony isn't a gender.... ;)
 
@ShadowWizard Problem is, using specifics tends to carry a risk of messing things up incidentally, and making people angry or upset ;)
So, I usually just go they/them
(Though I agree, it feels strange to see people referring to me as such :P)
 
@Tinkeringbell angry is usually result of being offended
omg poor Tim!
So, someone went and flagged every review Iโ€™ve ever written on Amazon as inappropriate, and guess what? Yep. They deleted them without seeing that pattern, contacting me, or even looking at the content. I just love what I get for all the public accountability I assume for work.
4
Someone flagging all his posts on SO in 3... 2... 1....
Only 632, shouldn't take long. :D
 
Wouldn't work on SO
 
12:13 PM
We can't know for sure.
 
@ShadowWizard wait. How do we know smokey is male?
@ShadowWizard ugh
 
@JourneymanGeek I... saw.
:D
 
12:32 PM
@ShadowWizard oh dear! So it turns out that swift moderation action based on reports of random strangers might lead to injust actions?
stop the press!
I do sympathize with Tim of course, this is crazy shit. But...a kind of crazy shit that rings a bell.
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It's a deafening roar
 
@AndrasDeak I think it's in no way the same
If nothing else, there's a human being with some degree of history and attachment to SE calling the shots
I don't ever see SE replacing the cm team with AI or a third world sweatshop
 
@JourneymanGeek it is the same input, with different output.
 
@ShadowWizard how a decision is made mattters
 
YouTube has no moderation policy because it has no real moderators.
Just probably bunch of automated scripts.
 
12:44 PM
@ShadowWizard and it wasn't designed with moderation in mind
 
True.
 
Nor are Amazon reviews
 
@JourneymanGeek they will once bought by one of the big companies.
 
Ring of recollection: Arcane, rare. When rang, all creatures within hearing range will have an image of user's choice appear in their brain. Requires either a minor illusion spell or a horrifying visage spell to set the image, after which the bell can be used once. Ringing the bell without a set image has the same effects as ringing an ordinary bell. A bell without a set image still emits magical aura. If set to a horrifying visage, the spell retains its damaging power.
 
SE is social, in spite of itself
 
12:46 PM
@JohnDvorak how much GIL it cost?
 
But it seems terribly mean spirited to equate what happened to Tim with what SE is trying to do
 
Monica did feel betrayed by the CM team
 
Though nothing was deleted.
 
She did. And she spoke up loudly, and openly.
 
Into the void, yeah.
 
12:49 PM
She didn't hide behind anything, or snipe at people
I disagree
 
Did she ever get a real response? I still didn't see any... (Not the "did you mean?" comment from Jay)
 
Stuff is moving, a little slower than we would like sometimes
 
In which direction?
 
south?
 
That's to be seen
But here's the thing. What good does harassing poor Tim do? Or backhandedly celebrating it?
 
12:53 PM
I'm not celebrating it
 
Dude has had swatting and doxing threats.
'but SE responded to tweets!'
 
20K development stack meta.stackexchange.com/questions/317655/… /cc @ShadowWizard @JourneymanGeek @Glorfindel
 
They're probably taking longer with the response cause at this point there's going to be people backlashing no matter what. And what they say affects the folks who matter to the community and are the community
 
@JourneymanGeek personal and honest opinion: keeping silent for too long is doing more damage than saying something some might not like. It's still not in the "too long" for me though. :)
@rene kaboom
 
Which is a perfectly fine opinion to have
Personally I want it over with cause there's a lot of work ahead
 
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