@JohnDvorak wrt twitter... a vast majority of the traffic that SE sees is from Google, or external sites, as in third party. So, in some ways, twitter represents the opinions of that third party traffic. Should one tweet represent all of that traffic? Clearly no. However, twitter is at least somewhat relevant as a result.
Is the TL transcript something I as a mere mortal can get "excited" about too? :P
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@JohnDvorak That is the generous interpretation. There is also the less charitable idea that the meta post is not all that genuine, but simply a place for people to vent and be distracted until it all blows over.
but the CM team is far too small and top heavy (I mean they need more people as opposed to dropping managers) to deal with what we have effectively. They're stretched thin.
SE staff are people. They're in the crossfire of being attacked on twitter for not reigning in their userbase and site quick enough and being attacked here for listening to twitter too much
Most of the stuff Tim post and adam and cat hear these days are probably a) insults b) complaints c) complaints laced with insults and d) general disagreements
My biggest fear is that what I perceive to be extreme views on both ends of the spectrum will end up alienating the presumed majority of more moderate people that just want to take part in Q & A without massive drama.
On SU we essentially are a miconism of that - mods help manage the community either visibly or invisibly and there's a great working relationship between the community and us
@Magisch I'd roll back the change, apologize, start some meta discussions, and have a look at why the change happened and internal policies wrt twitter. A good apology comes w/ concete action.
a proper way to start mending relations could be to start with reverting this unilateral feature change and to have an actual discussion here and see if the community actually wants this. — Magisch58 mins ago
I love how IPS was kept in the dark about the whole thing until one of them noticed "hey, why isn't this question in the HNQ, In fact, why are none of them?"
@JourneymanGeek You don't need to act on other site issues, but lets be honest; other site issues are barely even relevant 99% of the time because of how low traffic most other exchange metas are.
@JohnDvorak I saw the message in the mod room and didn't immediate realize how messy things would be when not communicating right away... so I made a wrong choice.
It also means that other users can help the community there grow. I mean, Super User is a big site. How long would it take Super User's Meta to get to 100k questions?
Honestly, coming from a site that sees 10,000 questions per day (or twice that of the entire history of Super User's meta), I just don't think that with the combined metas generating a lot of content a single "tag cleanup weekends" post would really put a dent in anything or cause problems.
> I am trying to implement GMM Clustering for both 24 Dimension feature vector and 32 dimension feature vector, where assignment of initial parameters are done by Kmeans algorightm (K mean clustering is providing cluster centers - MU - only).
@Somewhat But the reason I want one meta is because it helps bring the community together, and that is just a tool to see how truly separated everything is.
Apologies for sweary typo-ridden rant last night. Was drunk in the tavern. If sober, would've made the same argument with less swearing and fewer typos.
@JourneymanGeek You said pterry prachett... but it was terry prachett ( I think ), so the joke was that terodactyl is actually pterodactyl ..... And that's the joke.
@TravisJ I don't get this. There are plenty of ideological reasons someone might specifically want to help at a girls' school; a man choosing to do so shouldn't be a reason to suspect he's a "predator"!
@TravisJ It is - but also has an impossibly steep learning curve. To really understand the depth and have a chance of winning, you'll probably need to read spoilers.
No, we've consolidated an actual support team a while back, instead of having some folks from Community handling Q&A support, and other small support teams for each product elsewhere. So now we have an actual cross-functional support team
and my main focus is to manage the Community Team's backlog of tasks these days. That, and to find broken/dysfunctional processes we operate under, and try to improve and document 'em
@MarkAmery It's true, that fact alone wouldn't. However, given the broader context of the described situation, the insinuation of sexual advance when it was either small talk or being polite, the situational observation of trying to be friends on a personal level instead of a professional level, and the immediate dismissal of reciprocation... it becomes very questionable.
@JNat I'm not going to pester you with the current drama because I'm 99% sure if you were authorized to say anything, you would've already, so - how's weather where you're at?
Has the serial voting workload gone back to normal levels?
@Magisch like I mentioned, I haven't been handling support for a while now, so I don't have a good notion of how the current backlog is looking these days ;)
and the weather is sunny, and surprisingly clear today
and if "current drama" refers to the HNQ/IPS thing... we could've handled things better, yes
to add to the bit about the serial downvoting, etc.: with GDPR and the consolidation of the support team, we've also restricted access to tickets to pretty much people in the support team
so it's not easy for me or Shog to have a look at current backlog sizes, etc.
I would think numbers and backlogs wouldn't necessarily fall under GDPR, just the content of those tickets? Also, isn't part of GDPR that I can ask you all for whatever info you have on me? :P
@Tinkeringbell numbers and backlogs don't matter, no. But tickets have a lot more info, and I believe the idea is to minimize exposure of that info. And yes, you can ask for all of whatever info we have on you, but not everyone in the company should have access to that info
I think deep down inside, we realise that folks are trying their best. The frustration is with the processes and some other things rather than specific folks
@Magisch more or less though, if you see a mod active on the site, they're passionate and will totally be talking to, or trying to talk to the CM team behind the scenes if there's a problem. Even if its mostly through the helpdesk system these days.
I likely wouldn't be a good mod, I don't believe in the criticise in private, praise in public thing. I think the broader community should see all the conversation that's going on
@Mithrandir The last time charcoal was in the crossfire you'd be forgiven for not even knowing without prying information out of the cold, dead hands of the TL
@Magisch That... looks like a bit of an overstatement to me. I was in Charcoal at those times too... and I could perfectly fine keep up with what was happening.
@Magisch well, in that situation - wouldn't the preferences of the site mods, as representitives of the site be more important than an admittedly well meaning third party project?
I would say no. There's a lot of site mods that frankly have no experience or very little experience with fighting spam because they're not regularly exposed to it.
@JourneymanGeek I mean, yeah, a little bit. I wouldn't ask you to pass judgement on a matter involving which version of haskell to use for a project either.
@Magisch Educating people goes a lot easier if they're not mad anymore. Turning SD off on that site for a while should've been seen as a gesture of goodwill and a chance to talk stuff out, work out a way to deal with those situations (IMO)
essentially I think that charcoal should have more of a say over spamfighting efforts then any individual site mod. It's like the place on SE to go for spamfighting know how
and folks may have different ways to deal with things.
@Magisch well, that also means handing over a lot of trust to a bunch of folks who arn't elected, and have a massive amount of control over what content gets through.
@Magisch .... That's like saying SE should have more of a say over what ends up in HNQ, as that's theirs ... If charcoal wants that say, it should be diplomatic about it.
@Magisch I haven't been in there much after that (as I became too busy). But wasn't the end of it, like John just said, that they'd like to see meta consensus now first?
