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2:43 AM
My guts tell me I should say GOOD MORNING...
 
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GOOD MORNING
goes to bed
 
3:24 AM
Asking what to do with your frozen meat during a power outage is not a 911 call. Smelling weed coming from your neighbour's home isn't either. Cannabis is no longer illegal on October 17, 2018. Consumption is allowed for anyone 19yrs or older. Do not call police for this ^sm
 
 
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5:37 AM
@SomethingBadHappened difficult and confusing times ;)
 
5:49 AM
@rene Just wait until they legalize XTC and MDMA
 
Oh, you are in ADE mood?
 
6:01 AM
I hit my head with HNQ...
 
@rene Not my kind of music ;) the youngest brother is going to Hardwell tonight though. I just remembered a news article from last week where people were setting out arguments for actually legalizing that stuff :)
 
@Tinkeringbell hmm, well .. let's first catch up with the rest of the world again before we start talking about the next step.
 
6:16 AM
the earth is not fiat?
 
It is Fiat
 
@rene Sounds like a plan to me ;)
@Somewhat technically, marijuana isn't legal here, it's just .. tolerated :P
And with growing it still being illegal...
There's a kind of problem
You have all these big marijuana growing companies popping up in other countries legalizing marijuana and a knowledge drain over here.
 
 
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7:55 AM
I'm on 4th place again in the MSE close vote reviewers competition. Don't tell Ward ....
 
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title (195): BioFluxe Forskolin crucial things for by gdxpxkut on ham.SE
 
it is always nice when you search something on internet and the first result is one of your messages on the Tavern chat room
Jul 2 '15 at 14:12, by SPArchaeologist
user image
Good ol' IgnoreMeException.
 
SorryMyFaultException
 
8:16 AM
TrollingYouException
... it is a pity the StackOverflowException is a sealed class.
 
8:35 AM
this is just beautiful.
sadly, custom made, so no hope to buy it anywhere
 
@Derpy Have you tried Etsy?
 
@Derpy make it yourself?
 
 
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10:22 AM
> sure i'll do that i just googled and it redirected me here ..thanks for the advice
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username (93): Wifi Permissions per User by siraj mehra on serverfault.com
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body (65): Google URL Tags Showing in Global Messages by david on magento.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching product name in body, +2 more (584): Arora Shine Beauty Cream Reviews 100% Results by AroraShineBeautySkinCream on webapps.SE
 
@Tinkeringbell had a look at the videogame category...
Is it expected that 90% of the available items are utterly useless?
Gameboy game box replicas at 20$????
> ZELDA (Game And Watch) (Repro Box) 20$
AND THE BOX IN THE PICTURE ISN'T EVEN ZELDA'S ONE!
 
10:42 AM
@Derpy Yes. Etsy is for people to sell stuff they made, mostly creative items ;)
 
> Retro Game Console 32GB with almost 6800 games from 16 game consoles with 2 controllers
@Tinkeringbell ^ sorry, had assumed it was just a way to avoid having to download 6k different roms when modding a Nes Mini....
because obviously if it is on Etsy, the seller must have the license to resell the roms :P
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): Create a forum in SharePoint by shilpi Akter on sharepoint.SE
 
11:31 AM
@Tinkeringbell :D
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, potentially bad ns for domain in body (100): Cerebral Force Cognitive by kgbahasa on apple.SE
 
@Derpy Ehhh... I don't think that's really true :P
 
12:01 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): Blank screen on laptop after replacement by Trade uk on superuser.com
 
@Bart don't laugh. I had to buy myself back ...
 
I'd ask for a refund
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (68): SSL connection error by installing on website by Trade uk on superuser.com
 
12:17 PM
@Bart I'v lost the kassabon
 
Ask Fred Teeven to find it for you
 
@rene Don't worry. You can still show up with your 'pintransacties' provided you didn't pay cash (you don't carry that much cash, do you?)
 
I'm pretty cheap ...
 
You certainly are incapable of taking a compliment... :P
 
Thanks
 
12:20 PM
Great way to make people feel unwelcome, compliments :P
 
12:38 PM
 
Already starting to hate NativeScript documentation
 
12:58 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer (79): Tunnel Tor traffic through a VPN by Patrick J. Burt on superuser.com
 
1:21 PM
Maybe I should have followed my heart and choose Flutter instead.
I mean, the name was clearly a sign that that was the framework to use.
 
@Derpy "flut"? :P I wouldn't use anything that's flut..
 
@Tinkeringbell Flutter. Not flut.
 
@Derpy Even worse than flut :P
 
It is all flut
 
1:26 PM
flut flutter flutst
 
what does flut even mean
 
leaves room
 
@Magisch If something is flut... it's worthless :P
Translate gives 'trashy'
 
Translate gives 'flood', 'flooder', 'floodest'
 
@Somewhat Nah, that's not it. It's trashy, trashier, trashiest
 
1:31 PM
In my case, nothing, since I said Flutter, not flut - notice the (ter) and the capital F.
If you want the German meaning.... it is flood, high tide, tsunami etc.
.... and Tinkeringbell... don't know which made up slang meaning he and rene had in mind.
 
huh, weird... maybe Translate is flutted by flut...
 
but I am pretty sure "flut" is not a real word in English.
 
@Derpy 'Flut' isn't really slang. It's really used, by people that generally try very hard to exactly avoid slang.
@Derpy That's most likely to be true ;)
 
Perhaps because here is Kroeg on the Meta...
 
@Somewhat Meta in de Kroeg sounds like a better idea to me :P
 
1:34 PM
@Tinkeringbell so, you are telling me that they avoid slang... only to use "made up words" instead? oooook, I suppose
 
@Derpy flut isn't a made up word. It's in the dictionary
 
2:08 PM
36 mins ago, by Derpy
In my case, nothing, since I said Flutter, not flut - notice the (ter) and the capital F.
If you want the German meaning.... it is flood, high tide, tsunami etc.
.... and Tinkeringbell... don't know which made up slang meaning he and rene had in mind.
^ yep, like I said, in the Dutch language, maybe :P
 
@Derpy Okay... I misunderstood then. Sorry.
 
but as for English :P
 
It's not a word in English, I agree ;)
So. Where's the people behind Flutter based? :P
 
@Tinkeringbell Flutter should be made by Google.
 
@Derpy write an addon to it and call it shy
 
2:14 PM
Flutter++
 
2:29 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body (66): Cloud Computing Platform looking for Beta Testers by Icepick on blender.SE
 
2:54 PM
> Here is an example of a Hello World program in FiM++:

Dear Princess Celestia: Hello World!

Today I learned something simple.
I said “Hello, World!”!
That's all about something simple!

Your faithful student, Twilight Sparkle.
Trad: you are late I fear :P
 
3:08 PM
anyone with 1.5k rep on SO could add a new tag to this question ?
 
what tag?
 
I need a nativescript-codesharing or @nativescript/schematics , whichever sounds better
@nativescript/schematics is the name of the npm package used to support Code sharing,
while Code Sharing is the official name the NativeScript documentation uses for the template
Thanks
 
job done, you might want to fill the tag excerpt in to explain what it's for
 
yep,
was just about to do that
 
3:21 PM
and done, waiting for review.
thanks again for the help, @ArtOfCode
.... think I will have to step in the forbidden fields of the anime chat room.
I need to check if anyone here as used the Kotobukiya european web store
 
3:37 PM
More generally, this whole site is about bicycles. — David Richerby yesterday
 
3:52 PM
Tricycles ;_;
 
 
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5:27 PM
precipitous lack of staff response on the meta thread
going to chalk it up to a busy schedule and hope for more soon
 
@Magisch That's correct. :)
 
you and your privileged private information
rants against the TL
 
@Magisch Hey... that's just my feelings too.
 
:p
 
And yeah, TL is bad :P
(okay, it isn't. It's awesome but I'm not allowed to say that)
 
5:30 PM
its a necessary part of stack, it just feels really awful when stuff actually happens there and I can't know or see
 
@Magisch you'd be amazed how boring it is ;)
 
even though it'd interest me
 
the denizens of TL are just as pissed off with all this as you
 
@JourneymanGeek I'm a guy interested by statistics and probabilities
You have no idea there is no end to boring things I find interesting
@ArtOfCode really? Have you read my answer to the meta post?
 
yup
 
5:31 PM
re-reading it now I'm almost certain I did go for the unhinged rant
 
@Magisch Well.. there's a mod that gave you an edit, and there's not a single moderator in your comments telling you 'that's not an answer to the question'. So.... subtle signs? :P
Also, the post made 'HNQ' and the votes don't count. XD
 
tbh I freely admit a lot of that post was carried by some seriously negative emotions
 
@Magisch That's okay. Mine isn't the most coherent thing I've ever written too, but it was driven by my thoughts at the time ;)
Which.... really is a first for me.
 
@Magisch I'm in a funny position about this
I really feel that TPTB could be doing things better but... well, its complex
 
you don't want to squander your social capital by being too negative
^^
 
5:35 PM
naw, I've not had enough sleep
;p
 
@Magisch Trust us... you didn't ;)
 
and some of the core issues are that, well...
 
I'm pretty sure I wasted any remaining ounce of goodwill I had with the staff by posting that non-answer rant that clouded the discussion so far
 
things have grown quite fast without folks having much optics for Q&A
 
Nobody will say this in public of course, that'd be even more PR suicide then what spawned this, but
 
5:36 PM
I'm still convinced that SE want to do things right and are not acting in bad faith. What I'm not convinced of is that they're thinking about what they're doing and how it might affect Stuff.
4
 
@Magisch Would you ... stop doubting yourself at every turn? ...
The post you wrote on MSE is more than SE could've hoped for...
 
@Magisch tbh, if we are not telling SE when they arn't, well, living up to our expectations, we can't really expect stuff to get better.
and sometimes we've gotta have our hearts on our sleeves for things to move
 
@Tinkeringbell self confidence is a fickle thing :p
 
also, 122 people agree with what you said, and how you said it ;)
 
@Magisch Take your upvotes and enjoy them :P
 
6:21 PM
@JourneymanGeek 127 and counting. Well said @Magisch. Kudos from Rhodes. :)
(luckily we have free WiFi in the hotel)
 
6:41 PM
@Magisch If anything, you've been pretty diplomatic toward the Twitter Appeasement Team™... more than most, at any rate.
 
6:52 PM
The chat user profile page chat.stackexchange.com/users/173044/belle-sophie links to a nonexistent SO account as its main account. Why? Is this from a user merge?
I mean, I thought user merges leave behind a redirect from the old user page.
 
@b_jonas merges often cause that, yes. Sometimes a mod can fix that. Sometimes a dev uses a hammer to get it mended ...
 
I don't appear to be able to fix this one... the chat profile needs merged too
 
Ping Adam ...
 
I think Adam has probably had enough today... it's not urgent, I'm gonna leave it
 
7:07 PM
sure.
 
7:18 PM
@rene I see. But I don't understnad, because I think I have a redirect from the user page of my old merged user.
 
@b_jonas nobody understands how merging (chat) accounts works. When the magic fails .... chaos ....
 
7:40 PM
@Sonic if you actually care about getting a useful answer, don't close as dupe
Nicol will be taken way more seriously
 
8:30 PM
@rene Yeah.
 
@Magisch - One point I would make with regards to twitter is that a vast majority of traffic for the exchange comes from Google, and from users who do not have accounts here. That twitter posts content about the site just shows the exchange's reach. Having content reach a larger audience generally means more oversight.
 
9:22 PM
Hello everyone. I've seen user scripts in many answers here to tweak how the site works, but there seems to be several browser extensions and I'm not sure which one to get. Does anyone here use one, and if so, which one do you use?
 
@SilverWolf I use Tampermonkey
 
@Mithrandir Thanks. So what's the difference between that and Greasemonkey?
 
One is for Chrome, one is for Firefox.
There's also Violentmonkey for Opera.
 
Ah, I just assumed they were on both. I use Firefox. (:
And for user CSS managers, I already have Stylus. That's the one to go for, right?
 
*shrugs* I dunno, that's not my thing, sorry :P
 
9:26 PM
Huh, both Greasemonkey and Tampermonkey are available for Firefox.
 
@SilverWolf I write my own stuff and then use it as a dev extension
 
Looks like Tampermonkey isn't open-source, but Greasemonkey is.
@TravisJ So you just wrote your own userscript manager? Neat! How hard was it?
 
Manager? Heh, no I wrote the whole extension. A set of them really.
 
I wonder how much worse the relationship between the community and company can get.
 
@SilverWolf Here is an example of a simple one: github.com/travisjj/StackTop/tree/master , you can remix it to your own needs in a folder and then use that as a dev extension if you want
 
9:36 PM
By userscript manager, I meant an extension that manages userscripts...can it mean something else? (:
And thanks!
Ah, never mind, I just looked and it seems to be a separate extension for each task. Interesting.
 
Exactly, they are separate. Although you can merge them very easily.
The nice thing about being separate is that you can manage them in chrome very easily.
 
Does Chrome have substantially different tools for managing extensions than Firefox does? With the way Firefox does it, it seems like it would be easier to have something like Stylus, where it has a popup that lets you configure the styles for the current site, rather than going into the addons manager every time you want to change something.
 
So, yes, chrome does have substantially different tooling.
Also, sorry to plug this to you, but chrome is much more secure. Firefox still has the same vulnerabilities that IE has since they were both built on very similar technologies.
 
Huh...doesn't look all that different, actually, just grid-based instead of row-based.
 
9:45 PM
 
similar
 
IE and Firefox being similar technologies?
 
What.
 
And Chrome may be more secure...but I don't touch anything by Google with a 30-foot pole. (:
 
What.
 
9:49 PM
Fair enough, but Firefox exposes the Windows kernel, so at least be aware.
 
Huh? Windows kernel? How so?
And I'm usually on Mac anyway (although I do use Firefox when I use Windows). (:
 
What.
 
@JohnDvorak Huh?
 
What do you mean, exposes Windows kernel?
 
In the literal exact sense you would read that sentence.
That is what I mean.
 
9:51 PM
In what way, though? Do you mean it's not sandboxed, but Chrome is?
 
Yes.
Firefox can execute code in the windows kernel.
Well, a site can, though firefox.
 
Then you'll need to provide some resources because what you're saying is a gaping hole in security
 
> The day started with the return of Richard Zhu (fluorescence), this time targeting Mozilla Firefox with a Windows kernel EoP. He eschewed all drama today and successfully popped Mozilla Firefox on his first attempt. He used an out-of-bounds (OOB) write in the browser followed by an integer overflow in the Windows kernel to earn himself another $50,000 and 5 more Master of Pwn points.
Happens every year.
It is a pretty easy exploit.
 
And Chrome doesn't have any of those?
 
In computer security, heap spraying is a technique used in exploits to facilitate arbitrary code execution. The part of the source code of an exploit that implements this technique is called a heap spray. In general, code that sprays the heap attempts to put a certain sequence of bytes at a predetermined location in the memory of a target process by having it allocate (large) blocks on the process's heap and fill the bytes in these blocks with the right values. == Operation == A heap spray does not actually exploit any security issues but it can be used to make a vulnerability easier to exploit...
Correct. It does not.
 
9:53 PM
How is that?
 
Firefox and IE were built on similar technology, from old school Mozilla Communications. They were built to support windows update, as well as a host of protocols. The result is that there is a connection that cannot really be reverse. This is why Microsoft recently reinvented their browser in the form of Edge.
Chrome is fully sandboxed. IE and FF are not.
 
What does "fully sandboxed" mean? Does Windows have a built-in application sandboxing mechanism like OS X? Does Chrome use it? What about the OS X sandbox?
 
It means that the runtime is sandboxed. In chrome, the runtime is inside of its own environment, whereas in IE and FF the runtime is the system runtime.
So, if you break out of the runtime in chrome, you are still in a localized environment. If you do that in IE or FF you are executing code in the windows kernel.
I am not as familiar with OS X.
I had some discussion with Jonathan Sampson about this back in 2014, who was the project manager for Edge. They released it 6 months later. Was kind of fun.
 
10:19 PM
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10:31 PM
@TravisJ It looks like Firefox is actually using Chromium's sandboxing code on Windows. On Mac, it's using the TrustedBSD framework, which apparently comes with the OS and is used for app sandboxing.
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Sandbox/Specifics
 
@SilverWolf Yeah, but in chrome, when you break out of that sandbox, there is another one because it runs in its own environment. Whereas, as noted above, FF runs in the Windows environment.
 
user194636
11:11 PM
Right so it's not very much about the specific issue at all, more about process.
 
user194636
Again, as I read it, the IPS people aren't that bothered about being removed from HNQ.
 
user194636
Judging from the lack of outcry on their local meta.
 
My primary issue remains that the SE govt. seems ... not very good at listening to feedback from its own community.
 
user194636
Me too.
 
user194636
And the apologies and "we'll do better" gets old fast.
 
11:15 PM
Sometimes you don't even get that
 
user194636
idk there seems to have bit a lot of that in recent months.
 
user194636
"this is on us" ... "long process" ... "bear with us" ...
 
user194636
it probably sounds like I care more than I do 🙂 but it's a shame
 
"bear with us" does show they care about what their community thinks
 
user194636
assuming it eventually produces an outcome
 
11:21 PM
Even if it doesn't... they cared enough to know they should keep us in the dark about that they aren't going to do anything :P
 
user194636
at some point you have to stop simply "saying the right things" and start doing something
 
Which is the case, I wish to know
 
@JohnDvorak and that's a critical thing we've gotta work on
 
user194636
I think they're pretty good at listening. It remains to be seen what value that listening has.
 
I do appreciate that
I still don't get what's wrong with a guy asking how to avoid flirting
 
user194636
11:31 PM
nothing AFAICT
 
user194636
(ignoring random users on Twitter)
 
user194636
I stopped reading the tweet thread at the third mention of mansplaining.
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I guess I'll just keep it at knowing the lady on Twitter was being unreasonable and don't try to pry into her brain.
 
that's a good idea
 
SO, what is SE gov't's stance on that specific question then?
 
user194636
11:36 PM
idk
 
@JohnDvorak no one really seems to know yet
and really I don't think anyone particularly cared
 

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