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11:01 PM
we should have a MAR appreciation day
we'll hold it in March, festoon the Tavern with marigolds, eat marshmallows with marinara sauce and wash it down with grand marnier
Um, wow. After Shog stops speaking up there, everything becomes so . . . Bart
@Shog9 what part of that should I feel appreciated about?
...I'm not a big fan of Marzipan
too almondy
What??? :( But it's just almonds and sugar.
11:03 PM
yeah. Exactly.
nothin' against almonds, but... A little go a long way
Can we have something without any kinds of nuts?
They usually have too much sodium and phosphorus
@Shog9 Can you please investigate here?
Q: Review icon not showing in private beta sites

GlorfindelThe Review icon isn't shown in the top-bar of the newly launched private beta, Stellar Stack Exchange, even though I have enough reputation (just 1) to review close and reopen votes.

I love almonds... I drink amaretto on the rocks with maraschino cherries...
And you should only realize they're slowly killing you when you have to care about your health
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I'm sure it's gated by the Access Review Queues privilege
11:05 PM
@Shog9 On private beta sites, this is...
@M.A.R. To be fair, living is slowly killing you. Life's inevitably has a fatal outcome.
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog no he can't. This is happy hour
We should be slacking off from life.
Made pizzelles recently... Tried a few different recipes. Finally settled on a variation where I flavor the batter by waving a closed bottle of almond extract over the bowl, then put it far away and cook the waffles.
@AdamLear As far as I'm concerned, this isn't true for me yet. :P
@AdamLear well, they're fastly slowly killing you
Like a turtle, not a snail
11:06 PM
@Shog9 HA HA HA HA We make them almost every year for the holidays... usually a few batches of almond and a few of anise.
I do like apple seeds though, and they taste somewhat like almonds
Even if it's a dupe, we prefer new bug reports rather than un-status-completing old ones, so this question is fine as it is. — Adam Lear ♦ Nov 12 '13 at 21:26
Is this still correct?
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I've been told similar things more recently than that.
Unless the bug was never actually fixed, it's almost always better to write up a new report.
...keeping in mind that more detail is usually better than less in bug reports, and so one reason it's getting marked as a dup is perhaps that no one can reproduce it.
Well, it's pretty easy to repro on a private beta... which is where that issue exists... you don't need any rep to have access to queues.
... well... it's easy for someone who doesn't have an omnidiamond.
11:10 PM
I can see the review icon on the one private beta we have now, so there's that
What is the rationale though, seriously?
Haven't dug into why I can see it, but.
@AdamLear I can't see it on Stellar... do you have a diamond there?
Sure do
it's probably related to that
11:11 PM
@AdamLear You can see it?
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog he's rich
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Mods can always see the review tab, regardless of rep.
Autocorrect managed to destroy both words
My sock reports: no icon.
@JonEricson So a bug? Can that be marked ?
11:13 PM
Not necessarily a bug
@AdamLear When is it not?
Here's what happens: the review icon is linked to the "access review queues" privilege which is set at 350 for private betas.
The underlying issue is for sites dealing with matters that are bubbles, the review icon appears at 19300 rep
I'm not sure whether it's actually intentional or an oversight.
@AdamLear Your statement contradicts with this
A: Add the “review” link in the topbar on "private beta" sites if I am able to review any review queue

m0saFixed rolling out with next build - rev 2014.4.18.2176 on meta and rev 2014.4.18.1558 on sites. The link should appear as soon as you have the minimal required rep for any of the review queues enabled on the site.

11:15 PM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog the bar contradicts with it
@AdamLear Was this an intentional change from this 2014 answer?
heh. yeah.... this is a regression - there was a change pushed in march of last year that "simplified" the queue access logic and threw out the whole "min rep" check
Huh, what do we get at 350 rep?
@M.A.R. FP and LA
I'm not going to fix it right now (since it's 6:15pm on a Friday), but I'll follow up on it Monday.
11:16 PM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog wasn't that 500?
3 mins ago, by Adam Lear
Here's what happens: the review icon is linked to the "access review queues" privilege which is set at 350 for private betas.
@AdamLear Can you tag it , please?
@AdamLear like so: (/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
@AdamLear Thanks!
So, back to nuts killing you
Or that creepy feeling of knowing someone is aware of your presence
11:19 PM
I hear eating nuts cures that
@rene it's a request for specific language, which only applies to SO. This is off topic for MSE, but there are thousands like this so not sure why a dev will waste time on migrating one. Either do in in batch, or leave it alone like they did all those years.
I'm pretty sure that no one knows I exist.
@Shog9 bamba is made of nuts and is tasty.
I made a hat of it.
11:20 PM
Bamba is why Israelis don't have peanut allergies... or so they tell me.
Though of course Tim still didn't contact me, and to be honest I gave up on ever getting the swag.
Just thinking what excuse to give my children for the prize not arriving.
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard hedgehog the hat wizard?
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard Well, I don't know that Tim's going to be the one contacting anyone... and if anyone gets swag... I should :(
I knew it was you all along
11:22 PM
@Catija you got tons of rep, that's more than enough. ;)
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard It's never enough!!! Must have stuff! Anyway, I'm sure they'll start reaching out eventually... :P
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard Santa caught a cold?
Seriously, the man gets out of his warm house at the dawn of every winter and never catches even a cold?
Anyway, it's only been like... two weeks. I'm sure they have more important things to do than manage sending swag to people at all corners of the planet.
He's a machine.
Being that fat is also harmful to your immune system, so he should have caught pneumonia at least by now
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog no hammer for s yet... added ordinary close vote though.
11:24 PM
@Shadow Oh, wait, you haven't earned the right Chaos Emerald
(message conflict)
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog terminate program
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard pfft, noob
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard heh. ah yes, the two wasted seconds. The worst thing that happened to be today, for sure. (The question was bumped to the front page, I saw it, migrated. It wasn't exactly a mission to find something to do or whatever.)
@Catija I give it 10% that we'll be contacted, and 0.01% that we'll actually get the swag. But... who knows. Like I said, I don't have any hopes anymore and don't plan to take part in such thing in the future if it's organized by Tim Post. I don't blame him, he's busy. But better not start something you can't complete and don't promise things you don't plan or can't fulfill.
Tim isn't going to be contacting anyone. It'll be one of the Ops people
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard Why don't you think it will materialize? I got swag a couple of years ago from one of the WB events...
11:28 PM
...who've been working through a backlog of tickets from the holidays but should get to it shortly
@Catija things are different now in SE.
(in a bad way)
Seems like you've been extra salty lately, @ShadowtheHedgehogWizard. What's up with that?
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard Not just for this context, but definitely true. Things have changed a lot since 2013-2014
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard Oh, come on... you can't really say that you believe they'd hold a fake contest and then kick people in the ass by not carrying through on their swag promises...
Shadow the burnt out wizard
11:29 PM
@AdamLear fed up with "we'll do [put something here] next week" and 60 weeks later, nothing... and worst part never responding to comments asking for updates.
Or dark.
Let me make up my mind
So yeah, it's annoying.
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard Ha, I'm bad for that. Been working on not leaving comments like that.
@M.A.R. Shadow's just acting like Shadow.
BTW, for future reference, Rene admitted he's old. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/305929/…
11:30 PM
@Catija not fake... I believe he really wanted to do that, still does.... but like I said, too busy. There are more urgent things to do.
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog not the Shadow I first met
And there will always be, that's the problem.
Or the Shadow 95 percent of the time
@M.A.R. Shadow the Hedgehog Wizard is acting just like Shadow the Hedgehog.
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard Like Shog said, Tim has nothing to do with the fulfillment part.
11:31 PM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog oh, role play?
@AdamLear from what I saw, you're OK-ish. :)
(you did respond to several of those over the years, which is enough)
That's the nicest thing I've heard all week. ;)
@AdamLear what's the worst thing?
"Move your stupid car you . . . "?
11:33 PM
I plead the fifth on that one.
What amendment do interrogators use? That could really help my curiosity
I don't think there's an amendment for interrogators... people being interrogated can plead the fifth... but that's sort of poorly understood by lots of people.
Mmm yeah. You must be hiding something. It must be bad.
Do not meddle in the affairs of hedgehog wizards, for you are crunchy and good with ... bamba?
@AdamLear well in past events the one who posted the event also sent the email... and it was done fast. At least that was the case with the "crazy swag" or something like that that was done by animuson.
11:37 PM
bet it wasn't run during / around Christmas...
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard animuson does (or has done) lots of the swag.
and yeah, that didn't scale over time
> Dec 18 '15 at 23:01
yes it was.
"everybody does a little bit of everything" on the community team has been a problem that needed solving for a long time
@Shog9 It was... the choose your own swag was from WB two years ago. I got my email on 1/6...
11:38 PM
then... we were better at Christmas back in '15
We're all kinda behind right now. I mean... You just gave me a bounty for answering a bug report I said I'd answer before you even started the bounty
And it nearly expired before I got around to it
@Shog9 My point in "things changed, and not for good" earlier.
there's a reason most professions end up with tracks people specialize on.
yes... because you need the extra 50 rep...
and that's not even the most delayed thing on my list from this year
@Catija well, I didn't answer it because of the bounty. That was just... kinda to illustrate that I almost missed a bounty that didn't even exist when it went on my list.
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard I'm guilty of not responding to such comments. 9 times out of ten it's because I need to ping someone to get an answer, wait for the response, not be happy with what I hear, advocate for work to be done, etc. Somewhere along the way, I probably forget to follow up. (Usually over the weekend or whatnot.)
11:40 PM
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard I don't think that anyone is 100% happy with things but... it's the way things are and being grouchy about it to people who can't really do anything to fix it just sort of makes things... uncomfortable?
Seeing the comments under the now-featured meta post, I see something has changed. The urge to just disagree with authority, here being SE dudes, has dramatically increased.
@Shog9 well that's different... you put lots of time into this, and deserve much more than the 50 points. :)
Often resulting in interesting discussion, but sometimes just stupid comments.
@Catija and uncomfortable for all sides
@Shog9 it's just a week or so... there are tons of bugs waiting years for attention, so it's really not bad.
@Catija That's where I'm at. We're all doing the best we can, and seeing comments like "well, SE just doesn't care" isn't a great motivator. I understand the sentiment... but there's only so much "taking it on the chin" that I have in me on any given day.
11:42 PM
@Catija actually I started the bounty after seeing a comment like "I don't need a bounty here". ;)
@AdamLear I think you all are awesome and I do my best to stay positive. I know that y'all are in a pretty tough spot and I can imagine that being one of the people who's more interactive with the regular users makes it harder.
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard it means I'm not even responding to a whole bunch of other ones
@Shog9 you're not a developer... I'm still not sure how you became so involved with something in the core of development.
Before I started as a CM, I was like "how hard can it be to send an email?? If I were doing it, I would be on top of all the things". And then I got hired, and kinda just went "... oh."
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard bug triage is a bit of an ill-defined role here
11:44 PM
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard probably because Jeff did it that way
@JonEricson well, you have a chat room, you can be easily contacted here, and 1 out of 10 is still better than 0 out of infinity. :)
It didn't get much better since switching roles. Keeping up with meta is a whole thing, nevermind across however many sites we have now.
@M.A.R. I'm not sure it's changed that much. I remember Jeff getting plenty of arguments back in the day. ;-)
hypothetically, if you randomly cut stackexchange mods in half, what do you think it's going to happen?
and you're not going to really see, or even know everyone behind the scenes.
@TelautonomousKitty many dead mods
11:46 PM
@TelautonomousKitty Blood. Lots of blood.
@JonEricson ha, well, things were pretty quiet when I started contributing
@Catija I try to not be "grouchy" (new word, thanks!) but... well, some things still push my buttons, can't help it.
How often can you come in here and not be able to ping some of the other staff members? I don't know that we need special rooms for each of them to be able to say that they're reachable... but I also think that at least part of the problem is that they're too reachable. How impossible is it to work when you have people constantly bugging you about the things that are important to them but that aren't really important to the system? Every distraction makes it more difficult to be efficient.
fine ... cut mod numbers in half ... hey, I don't hate mods that much :p
11:47 PM
Pushing Sha's buttons
@TelautonomousKitty depends on which mods
I hate mods
@M.A.R. self destruct sequence initiated
@TelautonomousKitty An interesting thought experiment (very relevant to Channels) is to consider what it would be like to have no moderators at all.
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard ha, nice
11:48 PM
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard Everyone has that sort of issue and - with the right situation - there's room to grouch about it... but it might be good to keep your audience in mind.
I wonder what else it can do
@JonEricson I've been wondering about that... trying to figure out if you're going to have to add a bunch of admin staff to be PoCs for Channels teams.
@Shog9 but looks like you were involved with writing the logic for the post banners, not just after it became buggy. No?
@Catija Instead of suspensions: HR violations.
@JonEricson And it's all permanent... can't be deleted. :P
11:51 PM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog that's a good question... no idea!
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Doctor Eggman
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard no, I wrote the spec for the post banners. And by "spec" I mean I threw a table into a Google doc and expected someone to make sense of it.
@Catija 👏👏👏 I often say that the best thing about working here is the amount of feedback we get directly from the users. And the worst thing about working here is the amount of feedback we get directly from the users.
@Shog9 sounds like product design... something development team leader is usually doing. :)
If @Shog9 is Eggman, what's missing is Silver the Hedgehog, Amy Rose, and Blaze the Cat
11:54 PM
Can't have them all.
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard that's what the CR process was
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard yes you can if they're delicious
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard Yeah... that's the wrong franchise.
@M.A.R. no you'll become a fatty.
@AdamLear I'm sure that developing a website full of devs is ... difficult.
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard Doctor Eggman?
Call me Doctor Walrus
@Shog9 Goo goo g'joob, MD
11:56 PM
I see the resemblance
Doesn't end with an image type...
Just use an exclamation mark
11:57 PM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog well, long long time ago all users (meta only? not sure) became Rebecca Chernoff for one day... so who knows. @Shog has the power to do such a thing again in April Fools. :P
Q: We're all Rebecca Chernoff \o/

Yi JiangOn this frabjous day, our community manager Rebecca Chernoff has graciously allowed all of us *1 to be her for one day, and one day only. And so, ladies and gentlemen, let me present to you: We're all Rebecca Chernoff \o/ A userscript dedicated to making all of you Rebecca Chernoffs. Reall...

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog slightly looks like Shog
@ShadowtheHedgehogWizard I don't wanna become Doctor Eggman
Or Walrus
@M.A.R. you're the Chemical Doctor, if anything.
@M.A.R. Tails, perhaps?
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