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user202362

1:58 AM

@Alex people choose not to do it in their 3rd and 4th year when they have found out what it is about? sounds highly suspicious ...

user202362

I had friends back in the uni days who didn't get along with their flatmates or didn't bother to get close with people in their residential colleges.

user202362

When I shared the apartment with other college students or colleague, we got along really well. But when I had choice, I still would like to live by myself.

user202362

I mean, when you live in a doom or a shared apartment/house, you live in a more social environment - you get invited to parties/outings. You hang around with people a lot. If you are a person who likes to live around many others, it's a great way to go.

Shog9

2:51 AM

Shared house can also be very cost-effective if you can trust/browbeat your housemates; I don't think I've ever lived as cheaply since.

user202362

The first time I moved into a 3 bedroom house all by myself (my parents while they were overseas), I heard some footsteps on the roof the first night. The second night, when I heard it again, I came out with a golf club in one hand and a knife in another. The third day, I found a a teddy bear hugging a heart in the letter box. Then nothing happened for the rest of the year ...

user202362

Also I had people peeping into my apartment/flat at night at two different places. I guess that's the downside of living by yourself

user202362

I guess for average peeping tom, you don't have to be hot to be a victim, you just need to be an easy target ...

Inc.

Looks like a thriller movie plot

Inc.

3:14 AM

You seem to live a thrilling life

Feeds

4:02 AM

"You know lightning, right? When electric charge builds up in a cloud and then discharges in a giant spark? Ask me why that happens." "Why does tha--" "No clue. We think it's related to the hair thing."

TGMCians

4:55 AM

o/

TGMCians

5:23 AM

ah

lot of spams since morning

user315433

5:35 AM

Back to 12 candidates, Daniel A. White has withdrawn.

Travis J

6:54 AM

halp, SO is in readonly

Bhargav Rao

:(

Travis J

:(

Bhargav Rao

Deletion of a user returned 404. I later realized that I was logged out.

Travis J

I was on a post and it had an advertisement in it, and I was like ??? and then I realized that I was logged out.

TGMCians

@TravisJ no update on twitter

Travis J

7:01 AM

I know!

Oh well, I guess I will just go try my hand at Rocket League or Titanfall 2 or something.

Inc.

8:10 AM

I think yesterday or 2 days ago I got sudden log out too, on all sites

rene

8:38 AM

@Inc. failover to NY? oh wait ... I need to read

rene

8:57 AM

@BhargavRao are you sure you didn't click delete on your own profile?

→ 33 messages moved to Chimney

Bhargav Rao

Nopes. I clicked delete on a certain flower's profile.

rene

WUT? runs...

user310756

11:03 AM

@ShadowWizard the source code for the android app late reply to ping somewhere on the interwebs

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer: How to avoid CKeditor to change the HTML code? by Sampath on drupal.SE

user310756

@Telkitty I'll text you tomorrow about where exactly we'll meet

Derpy

11:34 AM

wonder who will be the one trying to make the other adopt a ~~turt~~ tortoise

cazc_941

12:08 PM

Owl City - Fireflies (Said The Sky Remix)

►

Today's Listening

Derpy

12:42 PM

PMV: 10 Million Fluttershys

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user202362

@YvetteColomb sure, I am close so an hour notice should be enough

JNat

1:04 PM

@ShadowWizard All gone ;)

cazc_941

@Derpy I don't watch that show

Cute parody though

Judging from the name

SmokeDetector

1:17 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: which is best fitness tracker by jhon charter on expressionengine.SE

user310756

1:51 PM

@Telkitty sure. :)

Shadow Wizard

@JNat heh, two weeks exactly... did they spam again before you nuked?

JNat

I honestly didn't check for the date of the posts

I saw there were multiple in multiple sites

Shadow Wizard

Oh well, one spammer less.... :D

You checked the spammer ring I mentioned before? @JNat

JNat

I saw Oded nuked them, so I assume he looked at it :)

Shadow Wizard

Yup, all gone. Thanks @Oded!

Oded

1:55 PM

Yeah - late night fun last night.

Shadow Wizard

I know the site mods can handle that too, but being small site with potential for big damage, I asked the "heavy guns" here.... :)

Think I remember a case when spammers put their spam as HNQ with a big sockpuppet ring...

@YvetteColomb still not getting you.... SE android app (and iOS app as well) is not open source, and even if it was, I'm not android developer. And even if I was, not sure I could do better job than the developer who worked on it, but at least I would be responsive and not ignoring everything.

Bart

@ShadowWizard that's not a can do attitude. shakes head

user202362

Oo ... shakes head, not snakes head

rene

I 'm logged out from SO

Oh, read-only

Bhargav Rao

Yep

Inc.

2:06 PM

Checking other sites... apparently it's only on SO

hmm.. suspicious

Bhargav Rao

Using the API to write won't work as well:

{
    "error_id":407,
    "error_message":"Cannot add comments to this post; site is read-only",
    "error_name":"write_failed"
}

Derpy

3 hours ago, by Yvette Colomb

@Telkitty I'll text you tomorrow about where exactly we'll meet

Inc.

uh oh

Shadow Wizard

@Bart hmm? shakes head too

rene

shakes petals

Derpy

2:08 PM

the two troublemakers were planning a meeting... and then SO went down to read only mode.

3

Shadow Wizard

Imagine what will happen when @Yve will be mod..... :D

Derpy

I blame the kitty. (no, not @bjb568, the other kitty)

Shadow Wizard

Imagine that: @Yve moderator on SO, @Telkitty working for SE as CM. What will happen? :P

@BhargavRao makes sense...

Inc.

Frontpage full with kitties. and maybe horses.

Shadow Wizard

lol

@rene is @Kenny death related to SO being read only?

Derpy

2:10 PM

@ShadowWizard that after Unikong we would get a Zelda parody with Telkitty chasing chickens.

rene

@ShadowWizard yes

user202362

Shadow Wizard

@rene :(

MSE not found. o_O

Oded

Looks ok here

Bart

No issues here either

MSE that is

SO is read only

Shadow Wizard

2:19 PM

@Oded it's not permanent. Got it when posting comment, then when loading front page. Reload "works", but something not good is going on.

Maybe host is under attack, dunno.

Inc.

Happened on me once, just a quick 404, then back again. Like falling into a time slip.

Oded

Yeah, we know. Read-only keeps flipping back - people are looking into it.

Bart

Shadow Wizard

Very helpful error message. :D

(when posting a comment)

Inc.

SE needed more letters stored on their warehouse...

Oded

2:22 PM

Dunno - we already have all the locally produced, organic, fresh letters that we need.

Sagar V

1

A: Stack Overflow went read only 2 times today and no details at any resource

This is not planned. There's an issue with connection pool timeouts I'm investigating. Normally, we disable said spill and opt for a few error pages when it happens over a read-only self-recovery, but due to the dynamics of the data center failover we had this re-enabled. It's just been disabled...

Inc.

Incoming SNAFU (I won't retweet it to here since it'll be duplicated)

SNAFU

We are aware of read-only issues and have disabled the safety/failover mechanism. We're looking into contributing c… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/889491407223873540

Tweeted by StackStatus on July 24, 2017 at 2:24 PM

user310756

2:39 PM

@ShadowWizard I know that, but I am an android dev and was expressing an interest in looking at the code - even though I can't

user310756

@ShadowWizard you think I stand a chance ;) ?

user310756

@ShadowWizard we are meeting tomorrow ~~to plot our take over of the network~~ for coffee :D

user310756

@Derpy ~~oh no they're onto us~~ was it really, I didn't notice :D

rene

@YvetteColomb You can always look at code. I often look at Haskell code, C++ code, Python code, shake my head and then find something I do understand ...

user310756

@rene for the android app?

rene

2:43 PM

@YvetteColomb I dunno ...

user310756

I enjoy finding bugs - I'm quite the sicko

rene

@YvetteColomb Gecko, Gecko eats bugs, not sure what a sicko looks like ...

user310756

@rene @ShadowWizard was discussing how buggy the app is and I was keen to look at it (knowing full well I cannot). I'm doing too many non programming subjects at uni this session and only working a little, so am program starved

Journeyman Geek

Mass Hysteria

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user310756

@rene now you really need to come to pets.se - we even have a geckos

user310756

2:45 PM

@JourneymanGeek I LOVE that scene!!

Inc.

@YvetteColomb There's a request for that, but...

15

Q: Open sourcing Stack Exchange Android App

There are many feature requests for the Android app. I asked for like 4 features and others have asked for more features that aren't added yet. I know that the developers team might be busy fixing bugs, polishing the app and working on major improvements. But what about open sourcing the app? Ev...

user310756

@Inc. hey coolies, thanks :)

user310756

hey @ShadowWizard there's a request to make it open source shouts over heads of other chat members

user310756

well this is the progress on making it open source

user310756

ok I must go \o

Sagar V

2:53 PM

@YvetteColomb uh I think it's not a good thing to post youtube links in comments as we do here. there may be chances people flag it.

Bart

Meh, you'll survive a comment flag

user315433

3:05 PM

user315433

So the wording is indeed that. Source: > Woke up to a bit of a frighting email from my employer: pic.twitter.com/8VjvHtyOCZ -- Craig Peterson at 7:58 AM - 24 Jul 2017

Sagar V

no SO mod here?

Bhargav Rao

Nope

Sagar V

Can you do something with this person. suggesting edits which wrap keys to kbd tag

Bhargav Rao

Where?

Sagar V

3:10 PM

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/16809647

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/16809651

One edit looks good to me (the first one from him) and I accepted it. Then there was a flood

Bhargav Rao

Sure, just flag one of their posts linking to a few of the suggestions and explain the issue. I'll take care

Andy

@SagarV You should be using flags for this, not hunting down a mod in chat

Journeyman Geek

yup

Andy

type slower @BhargavRao

:P

Bhargav Rao

type faster ;)

Sagar V

3:12 PM

A mod flag may take much time. But if I inform it (or) inform it and then flag, the action will be faster

user315433

How Fog Creek Got Started: an interesting interview with Joel about his early days (2000-).

Sagar V

/ CC @Andy @JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

@SagarV not really true

and a flag means some mod rather than a specific mod will handle it

Bhargav Rao

If you flag, 22 others will see it

Journeyman Geek

which is handy since most mods have day jobs outside SE

bluefeet

3:14 PM

@JourneymanGeek lies all LIES

Journeyman Geek

lol

@bluefeet >_>

CMs don't count? ;p

Sagar V

@JourneymanGeek but I think the case for SO is different. in SO, some tags alone getting more questions in a day than total questions appear in SU in a week

user315433

@Alex Well, not really an interview. A story told mostly by Joel, with a few remarks by Michael Pryor.

Journeyman Geek

@SagarV the system is there for a reason

Sagar V

already flagged :)

bluefeet

3:17 PM

@SagarV it's similar to pinging a dev in chat. It's best to follow the standard procedure via flags then it's likely one of 22 will see the issue.

Journeyman Geek

and its PRECISELY cause of the sheer quantity of posts that flagging, not pinging is preferred

UNLESS its a time sensitive thing

Andy

(which this isn't)

bluefeet

@Andy as most things aren't

Oded

I'd also love to understand why you think the thing you have happened to notice should take precedence over the things other people have noticed (i.e. you pinging a mod in chat vs using the standard way of doing things).

In other words - why should these things be handled faster for you?

3

rene

3:33 PM

Can someone ask Nick to put the site in Read-Only mode again? I have deployed a fix for websocket recovery to the code of Kenny but it would help to verify it works with a production test.

3

Shadow Wizard

rofl

Oded

Nick doesn't have a big S, but I am sure he can find an alternative.

Shadow Wizard

@Oded he has a big C, should be enough.

Nick Craver

I actually have a medium size S

don't ask

Oded

Shadow Wizard

3:35 PM

@YvetteColomb oh lol

@NickCraver I hereby ask!

Nick Craver

nope

Shadow Wizard

Please please @Nick elaborate on your medium sized S

Pretty please

Very pretty please....

@YvetteColomb sure you have!

@YvetteColomb first make it work, then open source.... :D

@Alex lol.... well, still requires the user to subscribe to... something. :D

Jackson1442

4:27 PM

What's the town hall chat?

user315433

Town Hall #3 - 12 July 2017

Jul 12 at 18:30, 30 minutes total – 172 messages, 16 users, 40 stars

Bookmarked Jul 12 at 19:01 by hairboat

Jackson1442

4:44 PM

thanks

Feeds

5:10 PM

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Sagar V

@Oded I didn't pinged any mod FYI

2 hours ago, by Sagar V

no SO mod here?

2 hours ago, by Bhargav Rao

Nope

@ShadowWizard why you're these much addicted to S?

jadarnel27

5:34 PM

32

Q: What is the story of Jeff Atwood and the pluralization 'Bug'?

No, this is not a question reporting pluralization bugs, I don't really care about them and I don't think they're real bugs... But, I'm very curious to know why is the Stack Exchange team ignoring them? Is it fun to keep receiving useless 's' complaint bugs or many meta questions about them? M...

discussion plurals so-history

Sagar V

6:07 PM

a questionnaire got 2 deletion votes. votes are then removed by bluefeet then

meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/352419/revisions

Oded

6:54 PM

@SagarV good.

Inc.

7:06 PM

As a moderator I can just delete then undelete to clear the delete votes. This is just what bluefeet did, in fact, and she left a comment addressing the delete voter. — Martijn Pieters ♦ Jul 20 at 19:27

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV not any S. Only @Nick's medium sized S. Oh wait... now I get it. haha. :D

canon

7:43 PM

@Oded I hear you like pings.

user315433

> Nominations close in 16 minutes.

user315433

Still 12 candidates. Primary chaos commencing in...

canon

I'd like to vote for andy's bot instead of andy.

user315433

They are the same user, though.

user315433

It's more of a cyborg setup.

canon

7:45 PM

except, if andy dies... the bot lives on

at least for a while

user315433

Yes, I was wondering about that. Wanted to prepay EC2 so it'd stay online no matter what, but even with a reserved instance, there is still something to pay for traffic.

canon

womp womp

Shadow Wizard

will it onebox?

in old feedback beta, Jul 14 '10 at 8:54, by Marc Gravell

Hi all, and welcome (again?) to the StackOverflow "chat" experience.

hehe

Think it's the first chat message ever?

canon

@Alex wire up donations to pipe into your fees

Shadow Wizard

@canon depends from whom

user315433

7:50 PM

Soon after one's death is official and bank/credit card accounts are frozen/closed, EC2 will go offline.

canon

@ShadowWizard heh

@Alex set up a trust

Shadow Wizard

@canon huh

If you like pingz, come to Den... pings there are promised. :D

canon

@ShadowWizard a legal entity to persist past your death

user315433

OTOH, bots based on Google Apps Script could theoretically run forever. But there is no websocket support there, only http requests.

canon

@Alex poll all the things all the time

Shadow Wizard

7:52 PM

@canon hmm?

canon

Just lol chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6208714#6208714 (made my day) :)

Shadow Wizard

@canon @rene would be happy! He love making people's day.... :D

rene

\o/

canon

8:11 PM

hah

So, a candidate's activity on meta.SO is apparently a factor in these elections

I wonder whether I'm considered active on meta.SO

casually, at least... I suspect

user315433

@canon It's more of a factor early in primaries, when the meta regulars are the first to vote. Later on, "normal" SO users join the process.

user315433

Meanwhile esSO also went into primary round: 11 candidates, although just 2 of them have CS of 20 or more (and those two have 37). Somehow, users like Mariano and Luiggi Mendoza J decided not to run...

user315433

Philosophy election began just now, with Data Science on deck.

canon

8:27 PM

Everytime elections come up I take a look at the sheer amount of janitorial labor it entails... and I can't muster the interest. I'm not eligible either, based on my flagging and queue history; so, that helps. :P

user0042

8:39 PM

I don't get the downvote?

-1

Q: Answering a XY problem that goes beyond programming but more a management issue

I've been answering this particular question Pc Lint, how to suppress err 613(Possible use of null ponter) for class with init() with something the OP certainly didn't like to see. The problem seems to be of XY nature, and boils down to get the management involved to solve it. Just suppressing...

discussion specific-question

Sorry if I'm going to bother anyone here, I'm new.

Good evening/morning 1st of course!

@rene We met at that question already.

rene

yes. It probably is the management concern that people don't deem relevant

user0042

@rene But in practice it's relevant all the time?

rene

I don't confuse what management does/want with my coding practices. Issues with management is NOT something we discuss on SO or its meta.

user0042

Why should the management invest money and time to install a SCA tool and allow the developers just to circumvent it?

rene

I dunno, ask the managers or developers

The ethical aspects should be discussed at The Workplace.se, assuming they take that kind of questions

user0042

8:48 PM

@rene I don't believe they would appreciate that (I was involved in establishing such techniques a lot BTW).

OK I see. May be bringing that to Meta SO was the wrong place.

Jon Ericson

@user0042 Kinda seems like a fairly rare situation. It's hard to create general guidance for a problem that likely will need to be addressed individually in the future anyway.

rene

@user0042 you can't fix company culture and discussing it on MSO is not the best place IMO.

user0042

@JonEricson It's not that rare as you might think. I had to struggle a lot with that formerly.

@rene Agreed.

Steven Vascellaro

@JonEricson I've never really been a fan of "Seems like a rare situation". If a situation is rare, it only makes finding an acceptable solution or advice more difficult

Jon Ericson

@user0042 I mean rare in the sense that there probably aren't a lot of questions on SO that fit the pattern. (But now that you mention it, I don't know for sure how this question is different than any other XY question.)

Steven Vascellaro

8:52 PM

@JonEricson Oh, that makes more sense

user0042

I should probably delete my question at MSO. I'll try with The Workplace SE. It's still interesting in general.

canon

aww... bullied

user0042

@canon I don't feel so. Do you?

Steven Vascellaro

@user0042 Out of curiousity, is there a reason you haven't selected a personalized username?

I'm always curious when I see users named "user####"

user0042

@StevenVascellaro 6 times agent 007 ;-) (shaken not stirred)

Steven Vascellaro

8:58 PM

Heh.

user0042

And a license to kill of course :-P

Portet to the Workplace.se

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Q: Answering a XY problem that goes beyond programming but seems more to be a management issue

I've been answering this particular question at Stack Overflow: Pc Lint, how to suppress err 613(Possible use of null ponter) for class with init() with something the OP certainly didn't like to see. The problem seems to be of XY nature, and boils down to get the management involved to solve i...

management company-policy

rene

@Alex didn't you had an analysis on one of the elections with only two seats how/if your 3rd vote mattered? Was there a strategy to follow or not?

@user0042 lol on the 1st comment ...

user0042

@rene Yeah! Bleh ...

canon

9:15 PM

I don't have the rep to downvote on workplace.SE

user0042

@rene It's not only that people's dishes seem to have steep horizons, but they vegetate in bowls actually :-P

@canon Can you explain further why you want to do so?

user315433

9:38 PM

@rene The third vote matters when either (a) both #1 and #2 are eliminated; or (b) one of them is eliminated and the other is assured of winning.

user315433

I don't think the strategy changes much compared to 3 winners.

user315433

On SO, it's rare that someone is such an obvious winner that you'd want to move your support to other candidates to avoid wasting ~50% vote on #1.

user315433

@Shadow This is an example of what I use single-tag search for.

user315433

Questions tagged [website] and nothing else tend to be ... special.

user0042

@rene Did I say bowls? Seems to be cubicles or even worse little boxes. There's no way to get that congruent and work out in a constructive manner?

user315433

9:53 PM

Example: Just want to know how to change file:///C:/Users/......... into https://

user315433

> my fiends and anyone can just type the url and can see my website

user315433

Those fiends...

πάντα ῥεῖ

Alien Sex Fiend - Ignore the Machine

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user315433

10:07 PM

Or programming-languages tag on its own...

user315433

Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

user315433

The Snipping Tool has a built-in pen for red free-hand circles, but I do use Paint regularity to resize images.

user0042

10:26 PM

@rene They are just ridiculously narrow for their workplace views. I really doubt that this will be ever helpful in solving real problems you'll meet at your workplace.

@Alex Not a big loss. We have Gimp established since decades now. Don't let me mention "Karl Klammer" ...

user315433

SO primaries monitor

user0042

@πάνταῥεῖ Hey, that's extraordinary punk. Where did you get that from?

user315433

Candidates ranked 1 and 2 in SO primaries went on to be elected 100% of the time. (Caveat: those elections had 3+ winners, this one has 2).

user0042

@Alex Tells me what actually?

Shadow Wizard

@Alex you just love weird questions.... now I know how you find them..... ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

10:39 PM

@user0042 YouTube Dude :-P ...

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ and I thought there's no sex on YouTube...... ;)

Shog9

they make up for it in fiends

2

user0042

@Shog9 Alien ones it seems ...

Shadow Wizard

Do fiends have lots of friends?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard Am I a friend of yours naturally if I am fighting the same "fiends"?

Shadow Wizard

10:45 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ common enemy always brings people together

But we are all wrong. Why we always assume we have to fight fiends? Why not accept them? Embrace them? ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard Something like striking against the Borg Empire? It's not futile? Resistance is worth it?

@ShadowWizard "Embrace them? ;)" We can just take over their strategies?

user0042

@πάνταῥεῖ Dream on babe!

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ fiends have no strategy, they count on people to just be afraid of them!

@πάνταῥεῖ Resistance is fertile :D

user0042

@πάνταῥεῖ I'm wondering about what the special ingredients of your coffee are. Consider to consult a psychiatrist!

Shadow Wizard

@user0042 he's using coffee to feed his plants

May 7 at 19:25, by πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene You could have had your own coffee machine at home in 1st place? Also I was always feeding my plants with coffee grounds, would you demand more nutrition actually?

πάντα ῥεῖ

10:57 PM

@ShadowWizard LOL! At least the coffee grounds.

2

Shadow Wizard

Better ground than grind, if you ask me. And with that, going to sleep! :D

πάντα ῥεῖ

@user0042 I have to admit I like you. You've got that kind of grinch attitude denying the easy gifts everyone tries to suck out these sites.

πάντα ῥεῖ

11:24 PM

@ShadowWizard And friends are just there to help you out. There's nothing to be afraid of actually. Everything's going to get warm and cosy!

user0042