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12:02 AM
meh
 
user202362
what if ... you release design updates on April fool's day?
 
@ShadowWizard i got a status update on the aforementioned pm. poor guy. he busted himself up pretty bad.
tripped at the top of his front stoop, all the way down, landed straight on his face. broke like 5 separate bones in his face, completely shattered his lower jaw, concussion, and a broken arm.
i think he's gonna be out for a minute.
he's also a pretty good friend of mine, separate from work, so i'm actually kinda worried about him. first round of surgery next week.
 
12:24 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: At what point does "hacking" become illegal? (US) by Mandy Smith on security.SE
 
@JasonC poor guy... He got a spouse? Family? (i.e. someone with him at hospital)
 
his girlfriends there
 
girlfriends? Lucky guy! ;-)
 
I guess nothing helps you get out of the hospital faster like your girlfriend showing up and running into your other girlfriend.
3
 
out of the hospital and into hell
 
12:31 AM
was gonna say "or into the hospital", but...
 
seems to me like it should be nothing helps you stay in the hospital.
 
@Jason also hope he got health insurance? From what I heard about your medical system, without it one might have to pay tons of money when hospitalized... 💰
 
yeah...
i don't know
 
Anyhow, hope he will get through this soon!
 
and i didn't ask
it's one of those questions that makes things worse, heh
if he doesn't, it's gonna be a nightmare
 
12:42 AM
@JasonC yup, your vet bill will be minor compared to it...
 
pennies
on the plus side i recently learned that apparently medical debt doesn't permanently affect your credit score. once you pay it off it's like it never happened.
 
And how is the project going?
@JasonC credit score?
 
projects still in initial phases. today i had a fun interaction that was pretty much along the lines of: dude: "we can't do that without significant development costs and like 6 months of development, blah blah i'm an angry half-programmer". me: "hey, so, last weekend, i did it. it took about 2 hours. here.". dude: no response. client: "this is awesome."
 
@Telkitty only if it's Tuesday
@JasonC lol... I mean... LOL
But who is that dude??
 
a guy
who i can't really explain without explaining the entire project, which, sorry.
 
12:47 AM
Lol no worry just wonder what is his role in the project :)
But judging from this, you're going to have lots of fun in this project... ;)
 
he's a graphics guy, i guess. visualization, vr. does a lot of non-c++ dev stuff in unreal engine.
the component in question was an unreal engine module
it's the same old project for me
 
user202362
BTW, my avatar isn't exactly a teeth floss advertisement
 
same shit, same old client, same issues, same process.
 
@JasonC but you are there as a programmer, right?
 
yes, primarily
and some systems integration/design work for certain parts of this project. and some quasi-consulting.
it's complicated and you're nosy.
i gotta say this particular project is kinda cool, though. i'll tell you about it when it's public.
 
12:53 AM
More picky than nosy... And noisy with pings. @Jason
 
no
just nosy
 
own it
lol
what country are you in
 
Israel
2:55 AM
 
oh it is public
17 bridges; they all have to sync up, too. not sure how yet. i'm talking to one of the coordinators over there next week i'm really, really hoping that for some odd reason they just happen to have 6 miles of fiber already laid out between them.
 
user202362
1:03 AM
@JasonC when I was in London for 3 months, I constantly walked across 3 of its bridges, because I lived next to the london eye and offices were near bank & liverpool street stations
 
user202362
I used to love travel a lot, but that's when I was early 20s
 
user202362
The more I travel, the less I like to travel, nowadays, travel only wins slightly over boredom.
 
@Telkitty i feel like i got similarly jaded at some point, i'm not sure when it happened
i think it's because i usually travel for work, which generally entails going to yet another large city, and everything sort of feels the same
what i need is more proper vacations to interesting places
2 messages moved to Chimney
 
@JasonC nice! Looks like a complicated challenge... So you were also involved in the San Francisco project of the same artist?
@JasonC Tel Aviv of course
 
@ShadowWizard yes i did all the overall system design, all the software, some of the it, and a bunch of debugging that Philips (the lighting is all ColorKinetics) really should have paid me for for the sf project.
will be similar here
this is project-manager-who-got-hurt's first major project for this client so i also sort of have to have this weird, separate, consulting hat in addition to my developer hat. i'm both above and below him in the chain. it's super weird.
 
user202362
I am doing the Tarkine trail in Tasmania next month, then plan to swing by Yellowstone national park and Niagara falls 1-2 months after that.
 
@ShadowWizard thebaylights.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/02.jpg (from thebaylights.org) -- some of my software made a photo cameo
@Telkitty that sounds really nice
 
user202362
Speaking of which, what area should I stay if come to NY that's accessible within 30 minutes commute to NYC, with great public transport facility and not too dangerous? 4/5 star hotels in Manhattan is probably going to cost an arm and leg.
 
user202362
I have stayed on long island before, but that's in the opposite direction to Niagara falls
 
1:36 AM
@Telkitty well it depends on what you mean by "nyc" and "30 minute commute".
are you trying to stay in nyc itself? and by "nyc" do you mean manhattan or are you counting the rest of the city?
note that it's about a 2.5 hour commute from one end of the city to the other, without ever leaving nyc. so it's a complicated question, lol.
 
user202362
2.5 hour commute? by walking? @_@
 
user202362
30 minutes commute by subway or bus I meant
 
and yeah definitely don't stay in manhattan. tbh for nyc stays i'd go airbnb, and look for a spot in brooklyn, near williamsburg or perhaps cobble hill or park slope. it's great here. if you wanna stay in manhattan look for a spot in east village or west village.
@Telkitty well more like two hours. but by train lol.
rockaway park to inwood, 1:50 by train, god knows by car.
rockaway park, queens, to wakefield, bronx. 2:23 by subway and that's the google maps estimate, so add 30 minutes, lol.
all in city limits. because woohoo new york.
@Telkitty but really, airbnb. if you stay in lower manhattan you'll have easy car access north and west, and it's cake to get to grand central or penn station for trains. if you stay in brooklyn, go for something near the brooklyn/manhattan/williamsburg bridge. williamsurg is a fun neighborhood. anything down there will get you easy car access west and easy subway access to a train station. that's my official advice.
 
user202362
sounds like Sydney vs great Sydney
 
user202362
sydney cbd is like 2km x 3km, great sydney is like 150km x 200km
 
user202362
1:46 AM
@JasonC cool, thanks. will keep that in mind while go airbnb
 
red areas are accessible, safe, and give you a nice nyc experience without the insane times square style tourism.
most of the city is pretty safe until you get farther out in brooklyn.
@Telkitty PS if you stay in manhattan, check out the bike trails along the west side up the hudson. they go forever. all the way upstate if you want.
now if you want to stay out of the city, go north
if you want quiet
like a little hotel in tarrytown or something. but you'll have way more fun in the city.
 
user202362
long island is a great place to live, yes
 
a really good friend of mine lives out there in some beautiful house with a little private community beach, its awesome
its beautiful way out towards the end of it
 
user310756
2:06 AM
@ShadowWizard 29 - I've been 29 for years )
 
grubhub is such fail
yet i continue to use it
5 years of constant fail
although lately i've taken to just browsing the menus then calling the restaurant and ordering directly
 
2:32 AM
Thanks for all the details @Jason! Running out of battery 🔋 will read it all later... :-)
 
user315433
@Shog9 The loss is on US society's part... btw Youtube shows 35M views of GM version, 13M of LB version.
 
user310756
2:50 AM
@Telkitty yes I will email you :D
 
@zaq those are depressingly large numbers
 
user310756
@Shog9 hi Shogs :D
 
'evening
 
user315433
A moderator stepping down quietly is nothing unusual, but two at a time?
 
user310756
oh no, who's stepping down
 
user315433
2:54 AM
Ben Brocka and Rahul left UX mod-ship. The former still has "I'm a moderator on User Experience Stack Exchange." in the profile.
 
user310756
ah ok. That's a big loss for your site
 
user315433
And Gaz Winter is no longer a mod on Poker. A diamond-killing epidemic of some sort.
 
There may be a sort of scheduled task that influences such things
 
user310756
Well I know all the unis are starting up for the year over here now
 
3:10 AM
@zaq One moderator stepping down is boring. Two at a time is twice as boring.
Assuming it's linear. It could be 4x boring.
 
user315433
3:32 AM
Troll still needs flags, see ver 1 biology.stackexchange.com/q/56364
 
user202362
@YvetteColomb Speaking of uni, they have put a new sign in front of my neighbours house at North Ryde a few days ago:
 
user202362
 
user202362
that's the place where renovation has been carried out, not where I live
 
user202362
this was taken last Sunday when the tenant dumped everything next to the footpath. Noticing the blue sign wasn't there?
 
user202362
My dad was in the picture, we had to move everything back into the front yard because neighbours rang and complained about it.
 
user315433
3:54 AM
If I see a question and think "another one of those", I could spend a couple of minutes looking for a duplicate and then enjoy the misguided hope that my closevote won't expire, while trying not to think that I'm being someone's unpaid research assistant. Or I could downvote and move on. Decisions, decisions...
 
gold badges make that more satisfying
 
user315433
4:24 AM
Looking at the sidebar...
"How Do Students Use Stack Overflow?"
"Comprehensive question quality blocks now enabled everywhere"
Shog9 saved us a click.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title: menintalk.com/gain-xt-with-virilax/ by Dasilakp on graphicdesign.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Getting Regarding The Download Quickbooks Flash Problem by brintenlanker on apple.SE
 
user315433
On one hand, it's nice that high-score spam posts get 3 flags at once... on another, those below the threshold hardly get any from CHQ anymore.
 
4:45 AM
Can you help me in getting what this want to say in simple sentances?
 
user315433
 
user315433
5:02 AM
@JasonC Yes, which is why I now defer closevoting to mods and gold badge holders. Wouldn't want to deprive you of the satisfaction.
 
5:14 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Folder In Use error by Aaditya Singhania on serverfault.com
 
user315433
5:31 AM
I'm closing this question as off-topic because it is asking for guidance on something that is illegal in many parts of the world, and will generate an emotive response in most of the audience, not answers that the OP wants. — Rory Alsop ♦ 17 hours ago
 
user315433
Interesting intepretation of what makes a question off topic.
 
user315433
How high-rep is too high-rep to spank?
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body: Correct PWM frequency for motor by Roche Periyanayagam on electronics.SE
 
user315433
 
user310756
6:13 AM
@Telkitty lol I know where that is :D
 
user310756
Hm interesting they need to let people know where Macquarie Uni is from there. I'm wondering why now
 
7:21 AM
@zaq we didn't have ideal wording, but that question had to be closed for now to stop the fighting.
There are things that will need to be sorted on meta before topics like that go any further
 
7:38 AM
@zaq depends on. Whether they enjoy it....
I'm not a fan of corporal punishment of children. Or capital punishment for that matter.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:54 AM
@zaq the part before the first comma was probably already a valid reason to close.
 
user202362
9:12 AM
@YvetteColomb not terribly hard to guess consider where you live
 
9:24 AM
@Pandya the same question ban that exists for years on Stack Overflow is now applied on all Stack Exchange sites.
@Shog what about answer ban? Is it still limited to few sites?
@RoryAlsop how closing the question stop the fighting? You mean there was a flood of hate answers?
 
user310756
@Telkitty we live in the same area - compared to this site, we're positive neighbours :D
 
How cute... ;)
 
9:45 AM
@ShadowWizard yep, and fighting in comments and some really nasty language
Not swearing, just calling out the OP as an abuser, a bully etc
 
@RoryAlsop so why not temp lock?
 
10:24 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Advantages of using a Powdered iron core for an Inductor by Rithika S on electronics.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Advantages of using a Powdered iron core for an Inductor by Abirami on electronics.SE
 
11:03 AM
Where should bugs and feature requests for the Stack Apps site itself be posted? MSE?
 
@ShadowWizard Read this article, tell me if you notice anything ^_^....
 
11:40 AM
shadow.children += new Baby(Gender.Female);
8
 
@ShadowWizard congratulations! :)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Difference between Role Hierarchy and Territory Management? by Susan Fernando on salesforce.SE
 
@ShadowWizard congrats :D
 
@ShadowWizard wooohooo \o/ shadow children
 
Hurray for the new filly
 
12:20 PM
Hehe thanks everyone!
 
@ShadowWizard congratulations!!! And now even less sleep :-)
@ShadowWizard this is a bigger issue than I'd usually use temp lock for. We can always reopen if the community decides that way.
 
Maybe spank the community until they behave, and then reopen?
 
user202362
12:38 PM
 
user202362
 
There's an XKCD a cat gif for everything
 
user202362
@ShadowWizard congrats
 
user202362
glad that you have checked out the coffee cabinet already
 
12:45 PM
 
user202362
bjb kitty :p
 
1:00 PM
@ShadowWizard congratulation :)
 
1:58 PM
@Bart lol- nice
 
Deploying a large change to badges backend storage to Stack Overflow, site may be slow for a few minutes.
Apologies for the blip there - an inadvertent SQL table lock escalation exhausted our connection pools for a moment. Executing plan B now.
 
eww, pascal casing SQL keywords
 
2:14 PM
@Stijn thanks! :)
@Bart thanks! :)
@RoryAlsop thanks! :)
@SamsungNote7Plus thanks! :)
@Telkitty thanks! :)
@qwer thanks! :)
@Derpy thanks! :)
 
@ShadowWizard cheers!!
 
@RoryAlsop lock is "bigger" than closing (e.g. can't also post comments), but guess you know what you are doing on that site... :-)
 
Is it me, or do notifications with the new top bar tend to arrive later than usual?
Could be that I just don't notice always notice them the first time
 
@Stijn yup
Its also a way to temporarily stop someone from doing something to a post while working out what to do
79
Q: What is a "locked" post?

Justin StandardA post can be locked. What does it mean to lock a post? Who can lock a post? When should a post be locked? Return to FAQ index

I've never locked a post as a SU mod
 
2:30 PM
@JourneymanGeek was that meant for me or for @ShadowWizard :p
 
._.
@ShadowWizard ^
@Stijn my bad. :(
 
I was really confused at first hehe
 
I expect autocomplete to read my mind sometimes ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek Yes you have
Indirectly
-I have locked a post on super user and I'm not even a real member
 
@Magisch directly, to deal with a problem ;p
 
2:35 PM
its so boring without spam to nuke :(
 
@SamsungNote7Plus charcoal has recently become more efficient
so barely any SD posts make it to the tavern anymore
 
What changed?
 
@Stijn I think smokey gets 3 flags
 
@Magisch i have both rooms on
 
which reduces the amount of actual human flagging needed
and smokey feeds into spamram anyway
 
2:38 PM
The bot user account has a super-flag then?
 
Metasmoke will use user information to cast up to 3 fully automatic spam flags against posts
 
Least I don't think so
 
So we only need 3 more to kill a post
 
Assuming a mod dosen't see it ;p
 
2:38 PM
time to deletion of spam has gone down 70% overnight
 
in which case we kill the post and the account
 
@Stijn No. People give metasmoke their API write keys so the software casts flags on their behalf
 
ah I see
 
24 people have given their keys to MS for that reason
 
You limit it to 3 to have a real human double check it?
 
2:40 PM
Thats what CMs will permit atm
 
@Stijn which is a good idea ;p
 
We're planning on 5 later but never enough to nuke something with just autoflagging
 
it's borderline to flagging ring, must be very careful though
 
We have CM permission
that is we asked beforehand and a CM gave us explicit permission
 
@qwer I'm slightly more concerned with having no eyeballs on a post at all than a flagging ring
 
2:43 PM
Fake! Fake news! Alternative facts! Rogue flagging going on here!
 
Also only posts where we can be at least 99,5% statistically sure it's real spam get autoflagged
 
If you can come up with a bot that posts good answers, I'll gladly give you my API key :p
 
sometimes we have dispute over what's spam anyway
 
so our autoflagging flags a lot better then most people
 
Its no different from tossing in a post into chat for people to see until the autoflags happen
@qwer which is where the human element is nice
 
2:43 PM
@qwer Thats why we dont let the software nuke posts outright
at least 1 human has to confirm, always
 
I agree with that
 
and the filters and behavior of the bot is also coded by humans
We contribute spam filters
We have a massive database of over 45000 confirmed spam posts to run predictive heuristics against
there are also automatic safety checks involved to ensure the bot doesnt run haywire
 
@JourneymanGeek and @ShadowWizard -- I have to admit I did not know that...
 
3:28 PM
silly corporate firewall...
 
3:46 PM
@ShadowWizard answer ban has always applied everywhere. Also, congratulations.
 
@Shog9 any idea what this user is talking about? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/344076/…
 
Autobiographer?
 
Maybe. User would have to be colour-blind. I hope it's not an elaborate troll attempt...
 
4:09 PM
Hey shog
How's the day in shogworld
 
user315433
Nothing special. They have a post on meta now. They can comment within it, as usual.
 
user315433
It's like you posted on Meta and then your rep dropped below 5 for some reason.
 
JAL
Ah makes sense
(you should add that as an answer :)
 
user315433
4:24 PM
@Magisch Just another day in paradise, I assume.
 
JAL
4:39 PM
good song
 
5:40 PM
@balpha I can't see what you shared :-(
I am mortal again
"It is done. The future has found root in the present." --cit.
 
user315433
The first time an elected mod leaves the company... they should make @Sklivvz a mod on Meta.SE in recognition of past service.
 
Hah, thanks, that'd be a huge honor ;-)
 
@Sklivvz Why'd you leave?
If you dont mind me asking
 
user315433
5:55 PM
But Jeff Atwood doesn't get the honor of forever taking the blame, it seems.
 
user315433
I'd guess he deserves it too.
 
user315433
6:19 PM
Dec 13 '16 at 19:51, by bluefeet
we don't poke Nick...ever
 
user315433
I poked Nick and he is digging into it. — bluefeet ♦ 2 hours ago
 
user315433
Aha!
 
6:40 PM
@zaq it wouldn't hurt to be serious about that ...
 
7:00 PM
@balpha not my fault
@Magisch because I wanted to do something different from what was available for me at the company.
 
@Sklivvz So you still work for SE?
But not as developer?
 
no no, I don't work at SE at all
 
7:19 PM
@Sklivvz I think you have a "not" missing in that sentence
(which might explain the confusion)
 
because I wanted to do something different from what was available for me at the company.
annnnd I can't edit chat msgs anymore
 
FTFY
 
welcome in our world ;)
 
rip
welcome to the world of us mortals, the users
 
user315433
7:41 PM
Does anyone have a better name for Documentation Stack Exchange, a proposed site that's entirely different from Stack Overflow Documentation? Awaiting proposal approval — but we need another name!
 
@zaq technical writing?
 
@zaq rename the SO product, obviously.
@Bart isn't technical writing more like articles on technical stuff than documentation?
 
It's a fairly broad term that can include documentation. It depends a bit on the exact scope of the proposed site. (And I haven't read up on it at all, so yeah ...)
 
I mean it's better than anything I can think of.
 
"Stuff nobody will read"?
TheF*ckingManual.StackExchange.com
2
 
7:47 PM
Rename to Teams, that has unshipped ...
@Bart they claim they are not that ...
 
@ɥʇǝS I gather the SO product was the impetus for proposing the site in the first place. I'm worried this is doomed to the same path as Moderators Community Building.
 
Pff, what do they know @rene
 
@JonEricson Probably will. I personally wonder if it is really quantifiable enough.
 
@JonEricson they'll just have to wait a little longer until Documentation will inevitably fail ... #postivethinking #constructivecomments :p
 
Or, we could force them to use Technical Writing while we rename our product to Examples.
 
user315433
7:56 PM
Technical writing is already covered by Writers anyway
 
"So where I said Documentation I'll change it to Examples. And Technical Writing, which was Documentation will be Documentation again. And Writers will stay Writers. Stop the time."
 
lol
 
get that reference? :p
 
yes, 100% :D, that will earn you another joker
 
hahaha
 
7:59 PM
In all seriousness: Content Design
Is that an option?
I posted it as an answer. Let's the votes decide how this one goes
 
@rene That sounds like something artsy and kinda the opposite of Documentation.
 
@balpha I can still access my email BTW
 
@JonEricson yes, well. They have a brought skill set so a bit of arts is required... but I see what you mean.
 
@Sklivvz quick, sign up for 1000 newsletters. Haney will have to read them all
 
tempting
 
8:11 PM
Pinged IT, all good. Looks like you don't count as a high-risk departure ;)
 
Little do they know
 
@JonEricson I've edited my answer with why I seleted that name.
 
user315433
Speaking of departures, does Jeff Atwood have access to company chat rooms? Since his account has is_employee = True....
 
Who's happy?
 
@balpha IT at one of the biggest IT sites
ITCeption
Does SO have a dedicated human ressources department?
 
8:17 PM
@Magisch soylentgreen.stackexchange.com
 
> The Q&A site soylentgreen.stackexchange.com doesn't seem to exist…yet.
Proposal: SoylentGreen.SE the site for all things HR
 
Ooooh ... the opportunity ...
 
@Magisch They're called the People Team here, but yes. stackoverflow.com/company/team#People
 
Can I not just get a part-time job coming up with site names?
 
Curious
my company has more employees then SE; yet I bet all of them together dont make 1/10th of what SE employees make
 
user315433
8:22 PM
> Design team hangout with @stephane_m_ it's his last day at @StackOverflow. Best luck to you Stéphane! pic.twitter.com/hZvhRHfUlD -- Jin Yang at 9:20 AM - 17 Feb 2017
 
user315433
Coincidence?
 
Nah, Conspiracy
We only need a good theory to go with it
 
JAL
@zaq Is that Kristina on there as well?
Oh thanks for the reminder, I need to email her and thank her for the swag pack (from when I did the SO Jobs focus group)
 
@Sklivvz google and AD should be off now :(
 
@balpha thanks, no more boring emails :-D
 
 
2 hours later…
10:05 PM
@Sklivvz you're still skeptics mod though, right?
 
@RoryAlsop yy
 
10:56 PM
Happy \o/
 

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