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7:32 PM
was there a post-mortem review for the town hall event?
 
not yet
 
what was your take on it, @Shog9?
 
it was interesting
we're - well, I am - horribly out of practice doing these things
but, that'll improve with time
 
chat seems like a tough medium for that sort of event
 
I felt like we managed to get folks talking, and hopefully share some of our own thoughts and struggles, which was the point.
@canon as opposed to...?
don't say comments. Just... don't.
 
7:35 PM
LOL
I don't know... something a little more formal
such that any one community member would be given the proverbial conch
and nobody else could post to chat during that time apart from team members or the moderator
it's asking for pretty specific functionality that doesn't exist at the moment, I know
but it just seemed like messages were flying by
 
eh, we can probably achieve a bit more structure
Again though, a big part of the problem is simply that we haven't done anything like this in ages
you get out of practice
 
it was great, though
 
you forget basic social conventions
 
I finally got a response to an issue near and dear to my heart
I'd suffer a lot for similar gains in the future
@Shog9 such as?
 
@canon "don't all talk at once" is a big one
 
7:38 PM
lol
 
I mean it though. You wouldn't get 40 people in a room, an actual physical room, and expect everyone to be able to talk at once.
Folks figure this out after a bit.
They slow down
discussion improves
a bit of moderation can aid this, but folks need to internalize it before it works
 
user315433
Need more pre-gaming; announce the topic in advance, as a part of event title.
 
user315433
Also, there was a kind of precedent with live-recorded podcasts + chat. Which was slower because folks had something else to do other than type.
 
yeah, we used to do very similar "chat-cast" things in the mod-only room too, years ago now... They were hectic, but folks got used to 'em.
Then we ran out of stuff to talk about.
Announcing the topic in advance is good; we were still kinda hashing things out
 
It was certainly interesting... and nice to have an opportunity to snag Haney's attention for like... two minutes. :P
regarding something which wasn't even on the docket
 
7:45 PM
yeah, weird how you managed to sneak that in... ;-P
 
Yeah, well... I didn't think I'd make any progress on getting comments promoted to first class citizens...
So, I went another route
anyhow, I hope this becomes a recurring event
nice to get feedback
 
yeah
 
8:04 PM
Any word on the SSL progress/nightmare?
 
user315433
8:50 PM
> The team is now considering what to tweak and improve about the format for a second town hall next month. Stay tuned! meta.stackexchange.com/q/278882
 
9:08 PM
what's the likelihood of getting some type of town hall meeting surrounding a site-specific feature, e.g.: Stack-Snippets™
I know there are quite a few feature requests out there for it and we could raise some interest for sure... but it's pretty much scoped to SO (and programmers?) and may not be a great fit for meta.SE. Any shot at doing this from meta.SO?
 
user315433
Isn't this just an engineering issue? I don't know what's there to discuss.
 
user315433
"We want Feature X. It would be good to have."
 
9:29 PM
@canon there's not an issue or problem with it, it's just people asking for more
It's better to spend that time talking about issues and problems instead of feature requests
 
9:52 PM
Opposite for DevDoodle since we don't have issues or problems.
 
user315433
I'll have a response out (hopefully) tomorrow, possibly Wednesday. tl;dr - we support the idea, but we've got a bit to talk about first. — Tim Post ♦ May 2 at 14:23
 
user315433
So, what should be the new name of Programmers.SE?
 
user315433
I propose Not-Debugging-Related
 
I don't think you can tl;dr a comment
 
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user315433
10:05 PM
He meant tl;dr of the not-yet-posted response.
 
user315433
Unfortunately, so many of Tim's ideas don't leave a trace that I mostly stopped reading them closely.
 
Ah, the other Tim. Good, good
 
10:22 PM
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10:46 PM
Happy Hour... time to put the kettle on
 
user315433
Coffee and donuts here.
 
Gin & tonic time!
 
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user315433
Idle question: Why should SE network users care that there is a new Chief Marketing Officer?
 
user315433
("new" also involves the position being created, iirc)
 
if the position is new, perhaps it brings change
 
user315433
11:18 PM
I don't mind Scorpions generally, but their Russian flavored pieces ... ugh
 
user315433
Why not just deleted WHYT comments after N days, instead of waiting for me to flag them from SEDE search?
 
@Meta You could say that about all that magic-word comments.
 
user315433
Danger zone: auto-nuking a comment by a mod. Thankfully, comment flags are anonymous.
 
@Meta so... This is what I've been debating, ever since trying the +/-1 block on SO. Better to block outright? Or make easy to delete.
 
user315433
Third path: age them after a few days.
 
user315433
11:25 PM
If the OP replies with "I tried blah", that comment makes as much sense on its own.
 
Fourth path: delete all comments and global inbox anyone who's ever made a comment with the message "This ain't Reddit"
 
user315433
A lot of diamonds closing this question: stats.stackexchange.com/q/48143 and the answer that keeps it from deletion is a link to Wikipedia. :/
 
user315433
Is there a question closed by 5 of current SO moderators?
 
Happy quering.
 
@Meta Closed before they became mods.
 
user315433
11:31 PM
Not likely to be found from SEDE, with its way of storing closure information in JSON stringified form.
 
user315433
Yes, of course that's the only way it could happen.
 
user315433
I have a bunch of final exams to grade, so nuking comments is an appealing alternative to that.
 
@Meta Ok, so... there's another option. Not sure if this qualifies, but... Interesting in its own right:
oh, right, deleted.
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user315433
That's good to keep in mind when we complain about invisible text on buttons and such things. It used to be broken in more entertaining ways.
 
user315433
11:46 PM
"They don't break things anymore the way they used to."
 
@Shog9 Regex blacklisting is stupid. Regex deletion-enabling is less stupid.
 
user315433
Hm, apparently How to create a list of tuples in python? is too broad...
 
user315433
It is kind of crappy, but that's not even nearly the same thing...
 
Violations of the least-surprise principle can take a lot of explaining?
 
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