Tavern on the Meta

5:04 PM

@Pandya it is a little broad but if you add an example of html where you try the feature I expect I can find a duplicate for that.

a good source for html/css/javascript stuff is MDN

Praxis Ashelin

@The_IT_Guy_You_Don't_Like superuser.com/a/947724/257316

I knew it was gonna be something stupid, but this?

swer on me mum

bjb568

5:26 PM

It's so sad seeing SE sites with safari's responsive design tester.

rene

You don't need to test it, responsive design is not a feature, so it can't be broken...

user259867

Shog's test of the effectiveness of HIQ is over. The results will shock you.

3

user259867

> "We need to fix the input" (two months later after testing) "We still need to fix the input" ... <sigh> -- Tim Post at 10:13 AM - 30 Jul 2015 via Twitter

bjb568

If there was a list of questions that on SO that could be helped, I would start answering questions and unicorns would roam the earth again.

user259867

score:1.. answers:0 closed:0 created:..1d intags:mine

bjb568

5:36 PM

add closed:no

user259867

yes, that too. But really, we need closevotes:0, considering how long it takes to get 5 votes.

bjb568

skipping obscure lib ones…

8 out of 27k have more 3 or more votes

> The problem is that some weird things are happening at the bottom of certain pages.

cv no code stackoverflow.com/q/28005683/2371861

Braiam

@NormalHuman where?

bjb568

probably not possible stackoverflow.com/q/23647938/2371861

absolute crap stackoverflow.com/q/28557810/2371861

what is wrong with the world stackoverflow.com/q/30840023/2371861

media queries or js, nothing specific stackoverflow.com/q/31570039/2371861

rtfm, narq stackoverflow.com/q/24854231/2371861

wat stackoverflow.com/q/30775016/2371861

plz learn css stackoverflow.com/q/30952828/2371861

works for me, must be browser support stackoverflow.com/q/31005525/2371861

See, they're all crap.

@bjb568 whoops, wrong sort

bummi

5:56 PM

no one seems to follow links :/ webapps.stackexchange.com/a/80903/45867

Kevin Brown

@bummi The one above it smells like spam

bummi

smells? ... is

while this is not the only issue on the question

Undo

6:25 PM

@AnnaLear Around?

Anna Lear

@Undo ish

Undo

@AnnaLear Heard you were getting a lot of logins from ChatExchange / Smokey, what kind of volume are we talking about?

Anna Lear

sec, lemme dig that up again

Undo

@AnnaLear that's chat logins, not API, right?

Holy crap

Anna Lear

That's number of new sessions generated for SmokeDetector on stackexchange.com

Undo

6:34 PM

Ooookay

Anna Lear

*.stackexchange.com, technically

so, something happened when we rolled out universal login that jacked up that

Undo

That's every 10 seconds ish. Eek

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Wifi keeps disconnecting and reconnecting frequently by Tyrone on android.stackexchange.com

Undo

I'm going to turn on reporting in CHQ for every time it restarts, because that should be the only time it logs in

Anna Lear

@Undo are you trying to auth per site, by any chance? I haven't looked at the SD code at all, so this might be a stupid question.

Undo

6:37 PM

@AnnaLear Shouldn't be, but I'm not an expert on CE code.

Anna Lear

Manish says "CE only needs to login once per session. The client holds on to a Session which is used with each request, so once logged in it should stay logged in unless the session expires or something."

I don't know off-hand what that means for how SD works.

Undo

Smokey mostly uses CE as a black box.

!!/rev

SmokeDetector

@Undo cec7992 (Undo1: Turn on logging for every restart in CHQ)

Undo

That should log every time it restarts, I'm going to look for a way to identify the current session

Anna Lear

Cool. If you're holding on to the same session between restarts, it should work fine... Not sure what CE considers a "session", though. It sounds like it might be logging in once per a batch of requests and then throwing that away which is suboptimal.

Bart

6:41 PM

"suboptimal" ... got to remember that

Anna Lear

On the other hand, the numbers went WAAAAAYYY up when we flipped the switch on universal login. I'd expect the effect to be a lot less dramatic since we've been generating account-level sessions for per-site auth for a while now. So I got no real theories.

Let's see what your monitoring turns up and go from there, @Undo. :)

Undo

@AnnaLear Seems like it has to be doing that, because we're only forcing a restart like every hour (or maybe six hours?). Either way, not every ten seconds.

Yeah, I'll look into it.

Anna Lear

Thanks!

Undo

No problem.

Andy

@AnnaLear, Can you look at the Zephyr user? It uses ChatExchange as well and is logged in almost constantly. Did it's numbers jump too?

rene

6:45 PM

I'll see if Closey is affected...

Anna Lear

Undo

(cc @ProgramFOX See messages above, Smokey is eating things it shouldn't be.)

Anna Lear

nope, doesn't look like they did

Undo

Weird. So it's a smokey problem.

@Andy What CE rev are you on?

github.com/Manishearth/ChatExchange/commit/… matches the timeline fairly well

Andy

@Undo I updated at a day or two ago. ProgramFox had a push for Chat actions. I try to stay relatively current

@AnnaLear Thank you

Undo

6:47 PM

@Andy Okay

Only thing that happened on 7/8 on SD code with logins is updating CE

I'd still bet a dollar that github.com/Manishearth/ChatExchange/commit/… did it somehow

The_IT_Guy_You_Don't_Like

@PraxisAshelin I held myself from saying this last time we discussed your computer. you should be a happy gamer now :D

Undo

If only because "and turns out, we don't need it!" :)

Andy

@Undo That actually fixed the problem I had when the Universal logins were enabled. A login path was removed and CE couldn't get through it

Undo

Right, it made it work

Andy

Let me hunt down the logs for the error I had at the time. I'll move over to the Charcoal room too

Anna Lear

6:50 PM

chat.se auth used to rely on GlobalAuth and you'd need to do a weird dance to get chat to recognize that you were logged in sometimes. I'm ... not 100% sure under what conditions that happened. (And I rewrote chat auth. That should scare you, because it does scare me. ;))

Undo

@Andy I'm betting it got rid of some kind of caching somewhere.

Bart

stilldrinking.com/programming-sucks

Undo

It doesn't help that I'm going to be gone starting Sat morning through Tuesday.

Anna Lear

point being, now chat.se uses the same auth session as chat.meta - it's all running off of the same cookie that gets you logged into *.stackexchange.com sites.

Undo

Okay, I'm going to start logging actual login events in CE

(unless I get pulled away to eat lunch, then who knows)

rene

6:51 PM

@AnnaLear any other session-counts that are very high? Like Closey?

Anna Lear

@rene nothing for stackexchange there and very low counts (highest is 3) for stackoverflow

rene

Ok, tnx

Anna Lear

there's one more account we found, but I'm not sure what it's doing. definitely logging in with a python useragent that says "bot", but the site profile also has 5k+ rep.

4

Braiam

@Bart I remember that, I'm still laughing from last time

Bart

It's hilarious ... but true ...

Anna Lear

6:56 PM

I should dig up traffic logs for that one.

Undo

@AnnaLear Where Smokey has four accounts across the network, one "login" would generate four sessions, correct?

Andy

4? Shouldn't it only be 3? stackoverflow, stackexchange and meta.stackexchange?

Anna Lear

@Undo No, one login would generate one session per second-level domain. So in that case, two? one for SO, one for SE. and that's assuming you're running javascript that would trigger cross-domain auth

Undo

Ah okay

Anna Lear

assuming no js and logging into *.stackexchange.com site (including se.com itself), you should generate only one session

Undo

6:58 PM

Either way, it'd have to be at least every thirty seconds or so to get those numbers

Anna Lear

you know what. we did fix a bug with session generation yesterday as well...

Undo

(brb eating)

Anna Lear

lemme refresh my memory on what it actually was

bummi

Pity that delete votes are linked to reputation, many of those with sufficient reputation probably don't have any use for them ....

Anna Lear

hm, it was in the cross-domain part of the flow. so probably not related... still, counts dropped from near 10k down to 5.6k yesterday, possibly after the fix? @Undo I'll keep an eye on the counts for the next couple days as well and see if this was something on our end after all.

SmokeDetector

7:01 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Wifi keeps disconnecting and reconnecting frequently by Tyrone on android.stackexchange.com

Anna Lear

I can sum up this project with "Everything works! Awesome! ... Wait. Huh. What. How."

4

rene

:)

Andy

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: Would a person gain or lose weight after expelling a flatus? by smitelli on physics.stackexchange.com

rene

@SmokeDetector tp-

Undo

7:18 PM

@AnnaLear Okay, that seems like the most likely thing based on timelines. If that spreadsheet was realtime, then it's only logged in 10 times and there's only five hours left in the day. I'll watch it anyway, ping me if it explodes again.

Anna Lear

oh jeez, yeah, it's almost midnight UTC

Bart

... 7.30pm ish?

Anna Lear

well into the evening

Bart

:) just checking. I've been known to lose track of time. Last night was a surprising 3am bedtime as well. Today wasn't ... productive ...

Undo

So... was that fix deployed around 10:30 AM Eastern by any chance?

(guessing based on that timeline)

Anna Lear

7:25 PM

(sec, in a meeting)

Undo

Oh, not important

Braiam

(the meeting obviously... they aren't speaking about unicorns)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: Using query and filter in sqlalchemy to modify User table by amarie on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: EIGENVALUE OF 7 BY 7 MATRIX by DAVID on math.stackexchange.com

Anna Lear

hmm. yesterday our fix went out around 11:30pm UTC (7:36pm Eastern)

and today's session count is ... 18 so far. I'm going to go out on a limb and suppose that we dun goofed.

Undo

Most of those are probably from me manually rebooting it to get it to take changes. Okay.

Well, I'll watch it anyway. Thanks for the heads up :)

Anna Lear

7:36 PM

Ditto. Thanks :)

user259867

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@NormalHuman Body - Position 1255-1266: password.in

user259867

Okay, looks like excluding code blocks from website patterns should fix these.

user259867

Jul 16 at 0:39, by 1999

Disappointment, n: discovering that the report is for internal use only and the queue will be kept because it feels good to have it.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: xbindkey delete suggestion makes the shit key constantly pressed by Martin Brischetto on askubuntu.com

Braiam

7:50 PM

@NormalHuman dammit, not that again!

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp-

user259867

@Braiam It's not "again"... back then it was a prediction, and how it's confirmed.

user259867

HIQ (and SO in general) is fine. Just fix the input.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating words in body: find offset of max value, in spread sheet (excel) by Sophia Liu on superuser.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore- vlq

SmokeDetector

8:07 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SQL LAST_VALUE OVER PARTITION BY by Sailor Moon on stackoverflow.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector gone

Braiam

@NormalHuman oh

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Can a Jorrvaskr Companion die permanently as a follower? by Josh on gaming.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector naa

user259867

> Although MAX is specified as taking a maximum of 30 arguments, Google Sheets supports an arbitrary number of arguments for this function. support.google.com/docs/answer/3094013?hl=en

user259867

8:22 PM

What do they mean by this?

Braiam

@NormalHuman that you don't need to worry about the argument limit, ie. max(1,2,3,4,...,30,31), since the documentation (one of them) is wrong

I'm wondering if it's MS Excel MAX()

user259867

I thought that page was the documentation... I've no idea where else MAX would be "specified".

user259867

Excel docs say they support 255 arguments. support.office.com/en-ca/article/…

Braiam

then, beats me...

Kevin Brown

Does Sheets give any in-context help when writing up formulas?

Praxis Ashelin

8:33 PM

@The_IT_Guy_You_Don't_Like nope. graphics card is still borked

Kevin Brown

Just upgraded Windows 8.1 to 10, still has that Windows 8 feel to it

user259867

@KevinBrown Yes, but it's a brief summary (nothing about 30), followed by an iframed copy of that same page.

user259867

I've never touched a computer running Windows 8. I'm afraid it's contagious.

Undo

it is. I got some on my Mac at code camp the other day and it hasn't been the same since

Braiam

@Undo you know what's the scary part, that you may need to reinstall the system, just to fix that...

Praxis Ashelin

8:38 PM

@KevinBrown but this though

user259867

> Some Windows 10 screenshots you'll want to look at, thanks @GreggHoush: i.imgur.com/qgoK5Km.jpg -- Nick Craver at 10:52 AM - 30 Jul 2015 via Twitter

user259867

Heh, nearly the same collage.

Praxis Ashelin

jesus christ, ads in the START MENU?

user259867

Oh. Others say it may be shopped.

Kevin Brown

Can't verify ads, probably shopped

Shog9

8:42 PM

5

A: Voting history statistics request

Well, it only took 6-8ish days to gather the data for this, but a few of us have pulled together most of stats that you requested. We queried the voting history over the past 90 days, and looked at votes grouped by the reputation of the voter at the time the vote was cast. Voting patterns (Up ...

3

Andy

@Shog9 Yay! Thank you

SmokeDetector

9:05 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: EXECUTE IMMEDIATE AND DECLARE by Frank Herrera on stackoverflow.com

cybermonkey

I'll be interested to see which way my question & answer goes:

0

Q: How can I get the Windows 8 start-screen in Windows 10?

I was skeptical about the modern-UI interface in Windows 8 (and 8.1), having been a Windows 7 user for a while, but slowly got used to it. My laptop got the upgrade to Windows 10 yesterday that I had reserved a while back; the upgrade process was fast and overall Windows 10 runs far better than ...

Bart

Anyone else having problems with Itunes Connect by any chance?

Braiam

no @Bart, you are not alone

Bart

Ah, good

well, bad, but good

Braiam

9:21 PM

you can continue procrastinating @Bart

Bart

Yay

bummi

what could be the sense of this tagging in the last minutes? drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/training

Bart

That user seems familiar ....

user259867

Luckily, it's up to Drupal users/mods to sort him out...

bummi

@Bart I know, but I'm not focused on the user but on the action, seems at least pointless for all the closed ones

Bart

9:31 PM

Seems pointless and perhaps somewhat of a meta-tag to begin with. But that's for Drupal SE to sort out

user259867

Today's question on Web Apps is more mathematical than much of Math.SE content... express the "clamp" function f(x) = max(0,min(x,1)) as a spreadsheet-friendly formula using x only once.

user259867

Spreadsheet-friendly = able to be applied to an array, which for example breaks min and max approach.

bummi

:) maybe It's not as pointless as I thought first

Bart

@bummi why the change of heart?

bummi

@Bart looks as he is a collecting a tag cleanup task, which will help to close many of those which need to be closed

Bart

9:40 PM

... so it's a tag for crap that needs to be closed?

bummi

I think so

Bart

I do somehow doubt that's how he intends it though :D

bummi

@Bart who will know, sometimes people are ... very indirect

user259867

Re: voting statistics, I think the medians hide a lot: surely the bottom 50% of any category of anything is the same low-engagement mass.

user259867

Not to suggesting that mean would be better... I just don't know how to summarize super-skewed distributions like these in a single number.

Kevin Brown

9:45 PM

@SmokeDetector fp- reminds me of the mirrored minecraft challenge

Bart

@Braiam it's back. Procrastination over

SmokeDetector

10:05 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: How to change military time to decimal time? by TheForsa1994 on stackoverflow.com

Undo

-8

Q: I cannot understand why my question does not submit

The error is just like this: Error occurs when submitting your question. So what is my mistake?

support asking-questions

Based on the quality of this meta question, I'm glad his question does not submit

@Bart grr. Grr.

iTunes Connect != Itunes Connect

Some things one simply cannot let go

(also, I was yesterday. But it's fine now)

user259867

@NormalHuman After ~hour, I found one: =1-iferror(sqrt(1-iferror(sqrt(x)^2,0))^2,0)) :D

Bart

@Undo blame Apple

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Obter minha localização através de reverseGeocodeLocation by William Monteiro on pt.stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: How can I force web browser control to remember proxy credentials setting? by Nicolas Yakuza on stackoverflow.com

Undo

@SmokeDetector tpu abusive

SmokeDetector

10:19 PM

@Undo Blacklisted user.

Undo

^ NAA or abusive depending on if you're having a good day

user259867

I'm having a fabulous day, but that post is still abusive. :D

user259867

@SmokeDetector gp- technologyreview...

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp-

bummi

!!/test jwork.org

SmokeDetector

10:30 PM

> Would not be caught for title, body and username.

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Is Tony in love with Gina? by Tim on movies.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore-

user259867

answers:0 score:0 created:..30d some words that annoy me in questions

SmokeDetector

11:07 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SCRIPT OU COMANDO PARA SOMAR TODOS OS DIRETÓRIOS E MOSTRAR O TAMANHO TOTAL by sl4sh on pt.stackoverflow.com

SmokeDetector

11:32 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: does string theory have anything to do with music? by user234487 on physics.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore- vlq

Braiam

> Explain world history as stages of the antitheses from the perspective of the dialectic process

I know the dialects evolved as a product of the fight of the theses and antitheses, but that question is just too damn unreasonable...

user259867

Sounds like something from those Marxism lessons that I barely avoided (a couple of years too young)...

Santa Claus

@Undo xCode, XCode, Xcode

SmokeDetector

11:52 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Send mail using mandrill by alsuelo on stackoverflow.com

Santa Claus

^ Hmmm.

Transcript for