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17:02
Hey why don't you unsuspend me as a "test"?
Or you could just continue leaving the exact same types of questions and answers that you constantly call others out on instead. That's a great example you're setting. :P
Somebody needs to take moose's diamond away.
and/or delete the site
Pretty much. @Mooseman, you're kind of single-handedly contributing to Life Hacks being as bad or worse than every other site just like it, despite having potential. And then you get defensive when you get called out on it. You can't handle your responsibility there, so drop it already. The site stinks and you're really bad at keeping it worthy of the stackexchange.com domain. You constantly posting crap questions and answers doesn't help. cc @michaelpri, @Frank
I'm not replying to your rant.
Don't get me wrong. I'm fine with the suspension, I understand that, and will tone down the comments, at least the ones I can guess might be destructive. But you're hurting the site, independent of my comments.
You don't need to reply. Everybody can see it. You see it in the votes. You see it in the comments. You see it in the attitudes towards you. And you can't deny any of it.
@JasonC And from his review history alone, he'd be the last person from the tavern I'd choose to be a mod on any SE site.
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@HomegrownTomato gone
@JasonC I congratulated you on being constructive... whatever happened to that? Either attempt to make the site better by being constructive, or ignore it. If you're not going to be constructive, you're going to be yelling at the sky and no one's going to pay attention.
I may agree with you that some LH questions may not be the best, but the CM's haven't shut it down yet, nor have they commented that the question quality should be improved.
@hichris123 The thing is, the comments aren't that destructive. More of them are constructive, and the "destructive" ones still raise good points (even the suspension message acknowledged that). I can't actually figure out which comments are legitimately considered destructive because Mooseman has a tendency to delete (and even sometimes edit) even well-intended comments, particularly ones that draw attention to poor questions not being deleted, and poor answers, constructively or not.
So it's a bit more complicated than you're making it out to be.
That's a whole nother issue... but there are some more black and white ones.
17:20
It is a whole nother issue. And it's the issue. So...
Like say...
May 15 at 3:16, by Unihedron
Is this really the type of question that is acceptable on this site? This is absolutely awful. — Jason C 25 secs ago
Why comment?
That's not the whole comment.
You're just going to make people angry.
Walking quickly would be faster than regular walking. But is this really the type of question that is acceptable on this site? This is absolutely awful. — Captain Obvious May 15 at 3:16
17:22
Suggestion. Legitimate question. Opinion. No personal attacks. No ad hominem. No offensive language.
May 13 at 17:32, by Jason C
@Mooseman That's because the question, like most of the questions here, is crap. It doesn't need a hack, and this is the right answer. — Jason C 57 secs ago
I will acknowledge that the question should have been on meta and not in a comment, but I don't see that as destructive or constructive, it's neutral.
It's not constructive, however.
What do you expect to gain from it?
@hichris123 Mooseman edited then deleted that long ago and I immediately stopped that style of comment. Next?
"Oh, my question actually is awful. Oops."
17:24
@hichris123 "Oh, I could just walk quickly." Followed perhaps by another person's opinion on whether or not it really is the type of question that is acceptable (hence my question).
I can't think of any other way to ask if a question is really the type that is acceptable on a site.
@JasonC Um, that's way a question for meta then. Or chat.
This conversation is nc. A bit of snark doesn't warrant suspension, regardless of whether it's a good thing to do.
Well written meta posts make a world of a difference.
Yeah. But "should be on meta" is not "destructive".
@JasonC Nor is it constructive.
Any comment that is not constructive is subject to deletion.
17:25
I already have a well-written (maybe) meta post. I'm happy with it.
And if one continues to need to clean up such comments... suspension is an option.
@hichris123 "Walking quickly" is pretty constructive.
Right, which, as we've already established, I totally respect.
Back to the topic. Independently of my comments, Mooseman is wrecking that site.
Apr 12 at 4:06, by Doorknob
@bjb568 yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man
Are you sure?
I'm quite confused why you care about the quality of Lifehacks.
You hate that site.
And yet you care about question quality on it?
17:28
There's a reason that's hard to explain.
You are Mooseman? Plot twist.
He hates the site… because of the question quality on it?
I think the site has potential. Great potential. I think the site as it stands hurts the world. I don't want to hurt the world. I want the world to be better. Life Hacks goes against what I want, yet has potential. Therefore I dislike it, and yet I'd like to improve it because it potentially could be a one-of-a-kind opportunity to improve the world.
The problem with meta-comments under a post is that they interfere with the reception of the post. If you flag or close you give others the option to decide. If you don't like that outcome you can always start a meta-discussion. It gives you evidence you need to have a proper discussion on meta
@rene Great. Yeah. All my comments are crap and must be deleted. Again, moving on.
17:31
Where is the place to complain about this kind of thing anyway, could we start a thread on MSE? I don't think M.LH will be a good idea…
Or maybe just figure things out here, then complain to shog.
@bjb568 Well, meta, as long as it's well thought out. Don't start complaining there. You'll cramp my style. Constructing a solid post has been on my back burner for a while.
@JasonC He, it takes a while for me to think and formulate a response.... I have a lag of about 15 comments....
@hichris123 I guess another way to phrase it besides what I said above is basically I see it as a waste of a great opportunity, combined with the damage (imo) it currently does being a type of damage that I particularly resent. So it's a mix of emotions.
Some starrer didn't really get the gist of the conversation, it seems.
@hichris123 Nope
@JasonC But you're not helping anything. :/ If you really want to change the site, don't rant -- actually try to change the site.
17:37
@hichris123 ... I do ...
I post realistic, non-arbitrary-object-list answers when I can, I write on meta, I leave plenty of constructive comments. Sometimes I leave destructive comments. Again, we've established that. I got suspended for it because that's what happens. Yay, the system works. But your view seems to be filtered.
Well, when you come in here ranting....
I'll admit I don't have the whole picture.
@hichris123 I didn't come here ranting about how I shouldn't have been suspended, or about how I totally disagree with that decision, or claiming that I have zero destructive comments. Because none of those are true. You've been responding to the wrong rant.
@JasonC I know that... but ranting about anything doesn't accomplish what you want to happen.
@hichris123 So? I'll do it anyways. And in the mean time I'll also do things that do accomplish what I want to happen. They aren't mutually exclusive. Deal with it.
I think you should go snuggle with your cat @JasonC.
Come back in a half hour.
17:43
And besides, I have no idea if my comments to Mooseman above had any effect or not. Nor do you. For all I know, what I wanted to happen happened. Maybe Mooseman is thinking about something, even if he doesn't realize it. Or maybe not.
It... wasn't exactly an incoherent rant.
It... kinda was.
At least no more than any of the other discussion we have here on various topics. I think. Although we do rant a lot.
"You're the worst thing that ever happened to Lifehacks! You should feel bad!"
Well is there a part of it you didn't understand? Sorry if I was unclear.
Nah, it was just a very ranty rant.
17:45
@hichris123 Fortunately I didn't say it like that. That is an incoherent rant. Don't put quotes around things that aren't quotes.
Oooh, @JasonC got suspended from Lifehacks?
@JasonC Well, I want to make sure people don't think it's my own thoughts.
Hi @Alexis.
I've been missing out on all the interesting gossip, I see.
@hichris123 How about making sure they don't think it's my thoughts either, please.
Or just post an actual quote.
@AlexisKing Yes, and rightly so.
@JasonC I never attributed it to you, nor did I put it in a blockquote. Do you want single quotes then?
17:46
@hichris123 I'd rather have you quote what I actually said, since you're using it as some type of evidence.
@JasonC What'd you do this time? Besides everything, of course...
@JasonC Soooooooo... you knew what you were doing was wrong, and yet you still did it?
...
Jason is confusing.
@AlexisKing Kept being non-constructive in comments.
@hichris123 No. The mods basically said they were sick of moderating comments. It doesn't matter if I disagree, I have to respect that. Again read what I already wrote.
Fortunately I am not arguing against the suspension or talking about my comments.
So... Jason trolled and got banned? Color me surprised. ;)
> Yeah, I know. I'm guilty. I understand that. I knew it was a crime, and I did it anyways.
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17:48
@AlexisKing I didn't troll though.
@Shog9 No not really.
And also not the topic.
I wish you would have written a meta post about this.
Agree.
@hichris123 About what?
@JasonC About your concerns with Lifehacks.
Sigh...
17:49
More specifically, about questions.
reads backlog somewhat
Should I go up and find my chat quote or would you like to?
You don't need to convince the Tavern.
You need to convince the community.
I was actually talking to Mooseman. You just jumped in.
I don't care if you're convinced or not.
Oh, so this was about Mooseman's moderation of LH.
17:50
Yes that is the topic.
Moderators can enact some policy, yes, but if the community is okay with it...
The community isn't clearly for or against it. Polarized views are frequently observed there.
Has there ever been a consensus?
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Moderators can't lead the greater community around by the nose. However, they can (and do, whether they realize it or not) set an example.
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17:51
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@hichris123 No. There is very little in the way of consensus on anything on that site. Not least of all because Mooseman in particular often seems to go directly against many of the discussions, creating even more confusion.
@ProgramFOX You should probably put that in the wiki.
@hichris123 Yeah I was about to do that.
@JasonC I would appreciate some examples of that, if you have any.
17:52
@ProgramFOX Example plzzz
@MadaraUchiha Sure? Here it comes:
!!/alive?
21 mins ago, by Jason C
@bjb568 Well, meta, as long as it's well thought out. Don't start complaining there. You'll cramp my style. Constructing a solid post has been on my back burner for a while.
!!/status
That will include that.
sd - delete
The most recent message is kept, the previous one is deleted.
17:53
sd delete
@Mooseman ^ Although I'm not going to turn said post into a personal attack on you, if that's what you're hoping for. That isn't a good meta approach.
@ProgramFOX :P
@Mooseman But one example that immediately springs to mind is your question about dust in the edges of the monitor. Contradicts close reasons, contradicts discussions seemingly indicating what constitutes a good question, and was a duplicate, no less, contradicting the importance of searching before posting. And you, as a mod, set that as an example.
Fortunately you had the good sense to self-close it after receiving criticism. But you still posted it.
Wiki updated.
17:56
@Mooseman And of course the multiple obvious contradictions where you yourself say "this answer does not appear to be a hack" then post answers like "if you're overloading a circuit in your house, use a different circuit" without second thought. It's confusing. Make up your mind.
@JasonC I never claimed to be perfect, but I right my wrongs whenever possible.
Turns out moderators are human
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@Mooseman Good, I don't claim to be perfect either. Are you saying you committed a wrong, knew it was wrong, but did it anyways before fixing it? That sounds weirdly like a snarky comment above that you presumably starred.
consistency: the bane of humanity
Moderators are human, but your expectations to set an example for others are higher than everybody else's. If the expectation is too much, give up the diamond. Period.
17:59
@JasonC Non-hack answers are allowed. As stated in the manifesto, just don't upvote them if they're not hacky enough for you.
If you can't maintain a level of ... role-modelness (or whatever), and wish to have the same freedom for mistakes as the rest of the users, then you are in the wrong position. That doesn't mean you don't get to make mistakes. That just means you don't get to make them constantly.
@Mooseman Are you saying "Welcome to Life Hacks! This answer does not seem to be much of a hack." is constructive?
You don't get to make that criticism then do the same thing yourself. Other users do. You don't. Because you have a diamond.
@JasonC "Constantly" is quite an accusation.
@JasonC Guiding new users is important, and non-hack answers are discouraged.
Yeah, you're right. That was an exaggeration.
@Mooseman Then guide them by comment and by example. Not just by comment with contradicting examples.
If you can't (or just don't want to) guide by example then, back to this again, just be a user, not a moderator. You are held to higher standards.
You have this site in your hands that has potential to be awesome, to encourage critical thinking, to help people solve problems. Why don't you try to make it live up to that potential, instead of being another copy or /r/lifeprotips or whatever?
If mods on LH would stop posting questions and answers (and assume they stopped doing that when they became mod) would we have had this same discussion?
Most likely not. But we might have a slightly different (and less interesting discussion) about how useful it would be for mods to start posting good questions and answers as examples.
good examples > no examples > bad examples
18:05
@JasonC It is, and I try to do so. Most of the time I am successful, although you are correct to say some of my answers are not optimally hacky.
Is the conclusion that LH is lacking enough established peers that have the respect of the community and are not mods?
@Mooseman And yet a cursory glance through your most recent answers, at least, suggests more than "some".
@JasonC "No" is also an answer, if it can be backed up.
@Mooseman I'm not talking about your one "no", if you're referring to the birds. And even that, your quote doesn't back up your claim (besides, if "no" was truly correct, why didn't you responsibly point out the incorrectness of the other answers?)
@rene Hmm... I don't know if that's true or not.
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Client won't return my emails. What do I do? by Laka DimDim on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com
18:15
@SmokeDetector wut
@SmokeDetector fpu
@JasonC Registered answer as false positive and whitelisted user.
@Braiam There's a "[email protected]" in there.
@JasonC I meant the question itself
Whoa, yeah, wut.
Maybe the client got hit by a bus.
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18:19
Graphic Design as a new close reason, basically WHYT
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> If you're asking for help with implementation, please include what you've tried and why it didn't work with screenshots. Please edit your post with what your desired results are, what resources you referenced and why those didn't work. See this meta post for discussion and see this post on how to ask a good question.
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The links in the actual reason use Google shortener, which is nice because everyone can track clicks on those. Stats for meta post and stats for how-to-ask page.
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Back when "we're no longer accepting questions from this account" on SO had a goo.gl link, the geographic distribution of clicks was informative.
I really think all the SO HNQ's should be deleted. This question is just asking "Why does my multithreaded program not act like a single threaded program?"
Well, okay, maybe not deleted... but downvoted for sure.
18:33
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: feature class cannot be displayed on a map by Marie Antoinette on gis.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector NAA
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Designs! They are rapidly changing!
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Speaking of designs, Stéphane Martin announced design update on Prog.SE on May 22. Still in Memphis.
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And not only that, but there were no further CSS updates by any designer since then.
18:44
Wtf in memphis? You should just search a bit :D Nothing really shocking, will give you picks once I have time :)
(And computer :)
19:04
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Why was Zacchaeus saved according to Jesus? by Enock Olusegun Idowu on hermeneutics.stackexchange.com
19:16
nicael's back.
Feeling sentimental about OR->DENVER data center move. It was Stack Overflows first baby (and mine): http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/02/new-datacenter-migration/ #milehighops
@hichris123 yeah, I was wondering that as well... but I don't have an account there...
neither do I.
@hichris123 @Undo is this something for fire/blaze or whatever those bulk review tools where named?
sorry @Unihedron for mixing you up with Undo....
@rene Could be... would need some tweaking but it could work...
If SE will not support fixing those links I think we might need some of those tools
19:23
I think they still have that thing that they used for Jon Skeet
Yeah, but these need more manual review.
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But in case of Jon Skeet, they knew what to change the link to.
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What is that > - ^
19:33
Should've gone with the FF5forFutures Four Job Fiesta. fourjobfiesta.comLessPop_MoreFizz ♦ 23 hours ago
!xkcd latest
overall look
main
(a question)
meta question
:)
@Home looks like you wanted to see ^^^
How'd you get these, @nicael?
19:48
a... hack? :D just searched a bit.
Ask for more pics if you want.
@hichris123 css
@Bra yes, now find it :P
@nicael I figured... a -new prefix or something?
Yay, nicael's back!
@hichris123 Lol, no :D
19:53
@hichris123 probably a dev tier resource
@bjb568 :) Apparently I'm always there, just in case.
@Braiam A bit closer. But not that easy!
Best Q&A I've seen today: stackoverflow.com/q/30833713/2675154
All caps now?
That's it, I've blocked it.
Wait, wikimedia, UX? heh…
aww
Couldn't anyone bump it earlier?
This one just got removed…
@SHOG9 HALP MY ROOM FROZEN UNFREEZE PLZ chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/867
!xkcd blame
20:04
@nicael It's SmokeDetector's fault.
@xkcdBot Liar
lol!
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Some Form Inputs didn't sent via GET / POST by Prem Thaqqar on stackoverflow.com
20:41
@bjb @moo hey, go to my nameless room! I found a funny hack :D
Yes, you pinged.
Pow!
@bjb halp! i've removed myself from owners!
added back
Thanks :)
LOL! :D
I've tried to hackin'-kick myself :D
Does it even let you answer?
20:55
No :(
I just kicked feeds.
Lol, let's try it...
You didn't :P
request('http://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/kickmute/867', function(){}, 'fkey=myfkey&userId=-2')
> {"message":"The user has been kicked and cannot return for 5 minutes."}
Ah, Nicael, the breaker of things, and his pet cat BJB.
I wonder how the mod tools will break when I kick feeds again.
It's 3 kicks to an autoflag, right?
21:03
Something like this.
Let's try!
If you break chat system wide you realize the two of you are in problems, right?
nah, SE is in problems
But if the world ends, you can still find me over at DD.
Ok, do whatever you think is fine...
Let me remind you at least one of you has already been kicked
Hey, that's me! :P
21:05
If it breaks then #milehighops might be just in time ready to host DD
Has your grammerer borken, @rene?
It was never fixed from the start
oh
in problems → in trouble
[ready, just in time] switch
{"message":"The user has been kicked and cannot return for 30 minutes. Moderators have been informed."}
I wonder what will happen now…
@bjb568 oh... you got the message, didn't you? good enough for my standards
standards++;
21:08
Your bets please for how long bjb will be suspended....
ReferenceError: this room has no standards
@rene this is a first strike, isn't it?
not even low standards?
> just note that we're testing and feeds didn't actually do anything bad.
"testing"
"being annoying"
@rene standards are a private property of each member
@JanDvorak yes and yes
Night!-
@JanDvorak we're not all smokey…
@Braiam Looks like someone approved that edit for some reason
@nicael kicking Feeds is not a good way to get that done.
lol
You don't have the user who kicked in your tools?
21:15
PAGE NOT FOUND WAT
For those who aren't aware, there are other side-effects to being repeatedly kicked.
@Shog9 Yes, yes, your tooltips said that.
Did it hurt feeds?
Poor bot…
You are great at spoilsporting, @Shog...
21:17
@Braiam I don't think so
@Braiam if there's doubt, no
@bjb568 :P
Possible SPAM: stackoverflow.com/a/30828475/1864610 Any thoughts? (The question's OT as well)
looks spammy...
21:21
@HoboSapiens I smell fish
@bjb568 ...and I thought Spam was made of pork...
You never know what spam is made of.
@bjb568 LOL - flagged the answer as SPAM nonetheless.
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I flagged the answer as spam. The question is likely a spam seed, but I don't need more declined spam flags at present, so I passed on that.
@HomegrownTomato It's all gone now, anyway.
@Braiam Gone
21:34
@ProgramFOX YAY! you're awesome :D
What's with all these e-commerce questions today: stackoverflow.com/q/30834754/1864610
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I amsorry Here is my programming code: — upendar reddy Yarabolu 35 secs ago
Where?
Progress so far…
Those colors are...
21:49
that branchin...
and today I discovered that my university leaks name, id, and receipt of every student
Recipe?
How do I bake a Braiam?
!xkcd bake Braiam
walks away
@nicael Unrecognized command. Use !xkcd commands for a list of commands.
^ should have this command, just in case :D
21:52
Slow cook, glaze with upvotes.
You could boil Braiam down into a nice stew, too.
I need a recipe.

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