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5:04 PM

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DragonLord the Fiery

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DragonLord the Fiery

Okay, did something go wrong?

5:25 PM

huh

I have no idea why it didn't recognize that as a report...

@SmokeDetector true

@ProgramFOX That message is not a report.

I'll look into this.

Sooo.... a trailing slash to the question URL messed it up.

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: What are the teeny tiny white bugs on my tomatoes? by Jeff Schwersinske on gardening.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: Digging into DDoS attacks by Turk on security.stackexchange.com

5:48 PM

Is there a place to dispute a question marked as duplicate?

URL parsing fixed.

@SmokeDetector true

@ProgramFOX Registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

@xCare Edit the post and explain why it's not a duplicate. How does the dupe target not answer your question?

I've already edited and answered it with mod permission

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Q: What are all the penalties to delete or close our own Questions or Answers?

EDIT: This is wrongly tagged a duplicate as it deals with clarifying and finding out information about penalties for the deletion and closing process, a topic that has spawned much confusion and past discussion. I'd like to know please what are the all the exact penalties if I delete questions ...

discussion reputation vote-to-close delete

@SmokeDetector fp-

6:02 PM

imo it does not qualify as a duplicate, unless you include all the other posts about the topic, of which there are many scattered everywhere

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/28134018/1234256

[ SmokeDetector ] Title has only one unique char: ------------------------------ by Ni55aN on ru.stackoverflow.com

Oh look. That one again.

@SmokeDetector ignore-

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: What does the term "crack-a-lacking" mean? by Nicolette Brown on english.stackexchange.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

6:17 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

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[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer: Is there a way to see where Chunks meet? by afdasd on gaming.stackexchange.com

1 hour later…

7:35 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: How to enable, disable, and switch between internal and external microphones in Windows 7? by Jeff on superuser.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@SmokeDetector tpu- the emphasized ad strong text allows for "rude" flagging.

Infinite Recursion

Needs rollback and content lock ru.stackoverflow.com/q/458053

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: How to calculate equation of normal to the curve which is parallel to another line by reece on math.stackexchange.com

@InfiniteRecursion My knowledge of the Russian language is non-existent

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: AUTO-SCALE MULTIPLE HTML5 VIDEO TO FIT SCREEN BROWSER by Judith Tan on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: convert number to the nearest multiple of 10 by zane on stackoverflow.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

7:59 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer: Graphing Fractional Exponents by user279986 on math.stackexchange.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@SmokeDetector gone

Bad answer in LQP review which is technically an answer. What do? It is low quality but it's not NAA.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@mikeTheLiar Downvote, move on.

If you flag, you'll probably get it declined.

Depends on how bad the answer is though.

8:14 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: "Auto hide toolbar" in Samsung Android Browser breaks non-scrollable pages (SGS5/Lollipop) by Jihyun Moon on stackoverflow.com

Right, review action though? I don't feel right with "looks okay" and DV isn't an option in LQP

For ref: stackoverflow.com/a/31932912/1015495

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@mikeTheLiar Not feeling right with "looks OK" is widely known. The wording is crappy.

@mikeTheLiar Seems to me an attempt to answer the question.

Thus isn't NAA. VLQ flag is for answers like "DFGHDJSFGHDJSGFGFHJDHGFHJDSHGH".

Thus isn't VLQ.

I hate the VLQ flag, because it's ambiguous; and I'm not the only one @Mike.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: select with subquery with filters in subquery by QuickDrawMcgraw on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: When do you get extra life in Pac-Man? by Micheal Hansway on gaming.stackexchange.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

8:37 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu-

8:57 PM

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I totally agree, this is not NAA. It even kinda solves the problem. It's just a really, really, bad answer, so it doesn't "Look okay". I ended up just skipping.

9:19 PM

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Q: Meta SE header banner contains the old Stack Overflow logo icon

This is the MSE banner background: Note the Stack Overflow logo contains 6 overflowing bars. Here's the current Stack Overflow icon: DISCREPANCY ALERT!

bug stackoverflow design logo

@SmokeDetector fp-

9:36 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title, korean character in title: 코리아카지노⊙／／【M A W 7. C O M】⊙／／코리아카지노 by astywshe on anime.stackexchange.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@SmokeDetector tpu- B A M W A R

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Is this avatar ok?

@SmokeDetector fp-

10:00 PM

!!/alive?

@ShadowWizard plz send teh coffee

@SmokeDetector why?

@ShadowWizard That's not a report.

@SmokeDetector I know

@SmokeDetector why?

@ShadowWizard That's not a report.

10:01 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu

@ShadowWizard That message is not a report.

haha

@bjb568 yeah, it doesn't really show anything

ok

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inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

10:08 PM

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@Moosebot wake @SmokeDetector

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10:16 PM

@SmokeDetector fp-

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating words in answer: XSS prevention for REST calls by hithere on stackoverflow.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@SmokeDetector tpu-

<deleted comment>

user202362

@ShadowWizard hairy or dairy? :p

10:32 PM

@Kate Gregory, I will add that bit of information because as I said multiple times, I asked for specifics

is it permitted to discuss closing threads or duplicate threads in here, anyone know?

@ShadowWizard if you're the Shadow Wizard who marked my thread as duplicate, I wish to make a note I believe it's mislabeled as such and have stated so in the edit on the thread

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

10:47 PM

@xCare This won't ping her. She won't be notified.

@xCare Closing which threads?

If it's related to the ongoing discussion or at least meta.SE, not SO or anything, it would be fine.

@xCare Which post are you talking about?

hi, okay. thought that was the way you guys pinged people here

please let me know if I am doing it wrong

the thread is this:

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Q: What are all the penalties to delete or close our own Questions or Answers?

EDIT: This is wrongly tagged a duplicate as it deals with clarifying and finding out information about penalties for the deletion and closing process, a topic that has spawned much confusion and past discussion. I'd like to know please what are the all the exact penalties if I delete questions ...

discussion reputation vote-to-close delete

it is on Meta I believe

@Shadow Wizard marked it as duplicate, which I don't see as matching because the question is as broad in scope as the topic. there are numerous other questions regarding bits and pieces of the topic as I've proved in the links on the post, if it's a duplicate of one it's a duplicate of all of them.

But what I'm asking is a standalone question that attempts to clarify all that scattered info out there, hence I do not believe it is correctly classed a duplicate.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@xCare No, because she hasn't participated in chat, her name doesn't show up and won't notify her of your ping.

ic. how about you, how do I ping you?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Just the way you tried to ping Kate.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M ok, looks like yours works. :)

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

11:01 PM

Huh, @Sha your dupe choice doesn't make sense.

@xCare You seriously need to write a TL;DR for that.

in a comment of his own, he contradicts his own dup... but I seem to have stumbled on a taboo topic here inadvertently, judging by the controversy this has raised

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I don't think it's a taboo topic or anything like that.

On second thought

Not much to say. Two possible penalties: automatic post ban, which is affected both by deleting own posts or others deleting your posts, and the second kind of "penalty" is possible account suspension if you delete many of your own posts which had upvotes. Anna covers the first in the linked dupe, I might add answer about the second later when having some time — Shadow Wizard yesterday

I'm the newbie so I'm not acquainted with all this stuff yet, not going to get myself in further trouble as sometimes these things have a way of playing out.. I've made a note on the post, I'll sit this one out

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I think @Sha explained why he linked as dupe well.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Belkin router 4.0 tech support by Robert Dikosta on android.stackexchange.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

11:05 PM

@xCare He just linked the dupe because that's the worst penalty there could be: Question Ban.

that's just a piece of the puzzle, like I said. If you count that as a dupe, there's a dozen others which it's a dup of too

the question is about all not just the worst

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Problem is, the first and second are irrelevant IMO.

with all the info scattered out there, it needs a single place where users like myself can reference it without 2 hours of digging. If someone where to place that info in another easily accessible place, I'd have no problem if the question was deleted

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

The first is when your questions are bad @xCare, so you delete them to get rep back, or they get moderated and deleted. The second is usually when your posts are really good, but you went crazy and went deleting some (or many) of your answers.

Your question is too unspecific, but not a dupe.

it may seem irrelevant, but it's all mixed up in the many questions about this.. I'm not the first confused by this

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

11:09 PM

@xCare I see what you're getting at. Unfortunately, all the info here is scattered. :/

true

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Sometimes we drop here and say "hey gimme the link to that post in which they explained this".

I'm attempting to make sense of it all, if that info were in the FAQ's say or another post, I'd gladly vote for mine to be deleted.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Searches tend to fail.

@xCare You can't delete posts with upvoted answers.

yes, pity. the comments section are a tad negative and I did get the impression of being trolled for a bit. negative comments regardless and certainly off topic

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

11:16 PM

@xCare This is meta. Things are way different from SO. You'd see much more humor, satire, sarcasm etc. in the posts and comments.

I'm sorry, but you are just being argumentative and adding absolutely nothing useful to this discussion about the topic at hand. Flagged. — xCare yesterday

Oh boy. That's not how you communicate. Not in meta at least.

Hey @xCare your post's comments are better than many I've seen here. :P

Well as a newcomer with the first taste of controversy here, I think I did as good as I could. I felt the guy was practically trolling me and I wanted to avoid him as quickly as possible. I'll let you guys or whoever is in charge of those things handle the rest

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M thanks. wish the voters saw it like that lol

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I still am yet to see some controversy though. Everyone seems to agree with closing or something. They don't know you want to build a FAQ. They thought you were just someone who didn't bother to search. Unfortunately, the latter group is pretty common in the new users (and sometimes veterans) here and thus . . .

@xCare Votes in here mean nothing other than disagreement.

yes, hence my idea I must be asking sth taboo.. or I happened to ask when they were feeling particularly disagreeable :p

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

Well, many high rep users (all?) have heavily downvoted posts. A net score of -3 is NOTHING!

For example, @xCare take a look at the last page of this search.

haven't been here that long, I guess those questions that will be closed?

11:24 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Adding to variables from inside and outside of methods by Lost Bam on stackoverflow.com

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

-215

A: Can we have the ability to retract a close vote before it closes?

declining -- you can always cast a reopen vote if the post gets closed. Also note that all close votes automatically expire after two days. (and for that matter reopen votes, or any other vote that attempts to reach a threshold -- otherwise, over an absurdly long period of time, say 10 years, e...

@xCare ^ An answer from Jeff Atwood himself

Second most downvoted post of all time, in all SEs.

215! ouch that's got to hurt. if they did that to me all my points would be gone lol

is he the CEO of SE?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@xCare Used to be.

He left at 2012.

Now Joel is the boss.

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2645/…

what is it that SE does officially? did it evolve from a wiki or is it a wiki type thing? or for general help?

I joined for specific help on a hardware issue

which I'm still working on

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@xCare Because back then good programming info was buried in piles of useless junk in forums, Jeff & Joel built up a ~~restaurant~~ site where you would just ask and get an answer. It was supposed to be not like forums where you rather "chat".

The quality of the questions devolves naturally with hordes of "helpplz homwerk needz dun till tomorow" flooding the site, but SO is still the best place to get an answer, because that's exactly how the UI is designed.

Then they thought: Why not have something as good as this for every topic?

11:32 PM

so it started with computer stuff?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@xCare Programming. Then computer stuff. Then everything.

Now there are SE sites for cooking, English, English learning, games, sci-fi, chemistry, math etc.

Also fail fast paradox: killing project is right thing to do but bad career move at some companies. We must encourage failure. #SOinSD

Tweeted by haneycodes on October 13, 2015 at 8:56 PM

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yes, run separately by different users I gather

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

I'm not a programmer (a bad one if TeXing counts as programming). I was attracted to SE because of chemistry.

@hichris123 "We must encourage failure." So that's why there's this team expansion proposal.

idk about the social aspects yet, but it's nice to be able to get info on such a wide variety of topics.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

11:38 PM

It is. At least I haven't found anything close to being able to match with SE in how easy getting an answer is. Scratch that, how easy getting a good answer is.

It's very highly dependent on how you formulate your question, but alas.

@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Additionally...

Somehow, this tiny talk has become a discussion about crack recipes. #SOinSD

Tweeted by OdedCoster on October 13, 2015 at 11:29 PM

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@hichris123 Crap recipes?

...

hello @DragonLordtheFiery

transposed a few letters there.

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

11:40 PM

@hichris123 Pfft. Details.

user202362

11:55 PM

I try to find out what this SOinSD thing is on the internet, and I found this instead

user202362

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inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@chmod711telkitty Joel is the lion, Nick is the hippo, Oded is the zebra and Marc is the giraffe.

They're squinting at something named Shog.

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