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12:01 AM
@bjb568 No, it's normal for it to be about three times longer.
I voted to close a question on Stack Overflow today so that I could tell people that I voted today.
@jadarnel27 ...........
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PLEASE HELP CANT READ MY EXTERNAL DRIVE by emi on askubuntu.com
Anyone want two rep? --^
@AnnaLear late for the party
12:08 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PIC24FJ64GB002 UART BRIDGE by Gabeto on electronics.stackexchange.com
@AnnaLear as someone quite close to a gold badge in the VBA tag - trust me it's off topic - it's already closed and if you won't I will get 5 lads to help me delete it
@vba4all I'm not disputing that it's off-topic even a little bit.
it would be better for SE to have that migrated , but if you "cant" ... ok it seems like in some situations 5 regular community members get a lot more to say than a mod does :)
I can, I'm choosing not to.
@JasonC O.O
12:12 AM
@Frank ...
(you win at ellipses)
@vba4all You'll need 10 people, by the way. I'm gonna think on this (re: migration) tonight.
Migration might hurt the search engine rating of that question. Prediction: if it gets 9 delete votes, alarm will sound in SE headquarters and historical lock will appear.
@AnnaLear thanks ... ill think of who else can I talk to to make 10 of us
@justabrickinthewall We redirect migrated questions to the new destination, so that's not much of an issue.
Meanwhile, those 9 delete votes could remove 3 questions of no use to anyone.
12:15 AM
I'm just not a fan of breaking the "over 60 days? no migration for you." rule.
Like I said, better ways to spend the time and energy. :)
@AnnaLear hear hear
On that note, time to head out. Later, y'all. Don't break anything while I'm gone. ;)
@AnnaLear See y'u later!
@justabrickinthewall sorry
12:17 AM
I'm disappointed that Google card did not onebox...
@Haney Knowing... some... ahem SE users, I'm waiting for the "Why was I banned for flagging? A dev said that I should flag everything that might offend someone!" post on meta. :P
Hear, hear is an expression used as a short, repeated form of hear, hear him. It represents a listener's agreement with the point being made by a speaker. The actual source is the Hebrew Bible, Samuel II 20:16. "Then cried a wise woman out of the city: 'Hear, hear; say, I pray you, unto Joab: Come near hither, that I may speak with thee.'" It was originally an imperative for directing attention to speakers, and has since been used, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, as "the regular form of cheering in the House of Commons", with many purposes, depending on the intonation of its user. Its...
I thought it could also be used as a short, repeated form of hear, hear her... As Frank did just recently.
@JasonC Approved. If you'd have pinged me I would have done it faster :P
@ɥʇǝS Wat
@justabrickinthewall ... of course. Why would you think opposite?
@ɥʇǝS Oh, lol, thanks. I was TOTALLY on the edge of my seat waiting for that edit approval.
Endless delete/undelete loops are annoying, especially when it's the same set of 6-8 users voting every time.
I'm sure you were, hence the ping. I mean WHO DOESN'T sit and stare at their computers until their edit is approved? Oh..
@justabrickinthewall hysterical
12:30 AM
@justabrickinthewall Bring out teh FLAGS!
goes back to homework
will never go back to homework
@justabrickinthewall Or, when the post is undeleted, get a few users to give it more upvotes ;P
@Frank Do my homework for me. Please?
@hichris123 Is it math homework?
12:31 AM
Did Ahmad drop by today?
sudo domyhomework
Because there's a site for that...
@justabrickinthewall Nope.
@Frank It's a great realization, isn't it.
Yes of course he dropped by.
@JasonC was it hilarious?
12:32 AM
@Frank In a facepalmy sort of way.
I found a facepalm:
user image
Holy crap
Some of Ahmad's hilarity got drown out by chickenbuttgate today, too. Tavern rocked by scandal.
@JasonC Ha!
We are about to change how we deploy firewall rules to our load balancers. If you see any crazy, please shout!
USPS, y u so slow!
12:48 AM
@chmod711telkitty I HATE USPS SO MUCH.
I just ranted at somebody about them in real life today, incidentally.
Every time I get a package USPS I can guarantee it won't be in my hands until at least a week after the delivery date, and there will be at least one customer service call to track it down.
"Delivery attempted" my ass.
Once on a service phone call the rep, on the west coast, actually said, "Yeah, we get call about delivery problems in Brooklyn [I live in Brooklyn] all the time, I'm not sure what their problem is over there." I wish I had recorded that.
I'm going to stop typing about them now.
Incidentally I'm waiting on the second scheduled redelivery "attempt" of a package right now.
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PIC24FJ64GB002 UART BRIDGE by Gabeto on electronics.stackexchange.com
1:10 AM
New hobby: find most hated answers on the site, and post a better answer there. Long-term rep boost almost guaranteed (these are in-demand questions).
Is the most hated answer on Gardening by @Frank? Nope. None of his answer appear among top 5.
@justabrickinthewall You might do downvotes per view; or downvotes / totalvotes.
I am waiting for a delivery from USPS too - 5 days after "Processed Through Sort Facility" @ San Fran, nothing, NOTHING!! I guess this is what you get from (least) priority mail ...
@justabrickinthewall This is my most hated answer. And it's a good one.
But this is based on anonymous feedback, which is more ... interesting. Answers hated by users of the site tend to get deleted.
1:16 AM
@justabrickinthewall It has 9 annon upvotes, 24 down.
It's #18 on GL's list.
No one ever downvotes my answers there, in real life.
Perhaps, people looking for "how do I control weedy grass" saw this wasn't about their species and were left disappointed.
@justabrickinthewall That's true; still per view might be interesting though.
Still open:
@Frank You got 4 downvotes all-time.
@justabrickinthewall There's also that somewhat-interesting 95% CI lower bound algorithm, uh evanmiller.org/how-not-to-sort-by-average-rating.html; I have it implemented for tags here: data.stackexchange.com/programmers/query/180833/tag-love
1:19 AM
@justabrickinthewall May have been questions. This doesn't count reversed votes, right?
I always get the wrong url...
You can look at plain-text reputation history and Ctrl-F for (-2). The quickest way I know to find where downvotes are.
I hate when people post portrait-mode mobile screen shots in SE posts. They end up looking like they're 4000000 pixels tall.
@JasonC Couldn't you just make the image smaller?
@hichris123 It's easier just to close the tab.
I usually append m to the filename, -----m.png. It ends up looking about right.
1:25 AM
either ---l.png (large version) or ---m.png (medium version) is okay, depends on the original size and the needed detail
@Frank do you know any vine that can be used as ceiling (of course with a support)
When will the tag-score script run? 3am UTC?
@AndrewT. yep
@AndrewT. nowadays: someday...
1:31 AM
so 1.5 hours.
@Braiam hah, true.
I've seen the script not running for 3-5 days (nope not 6-8)
On Stack Overflow it times out sometimes, as @Braiam was saying.
What an exhausting day. I was out of coffee so buying it at deli across the street;
#firstworldproblems ^
1:32 AM
Let me finish.
@Braiam Indoors?
@Frank nope
A: What's the difference between corms, bulbs, and tubers?

J. MusserBulbs Bulbs are plant storage organs generally grown underground, consisting of a short stem (the basal plate), from which grow overlapping, swollen leaves or leaf bases. The top growth emerges from the bulb center. Here's an example: Corms Corms are not made up of leaves, but a vertical swo...

New self answer^
I went in just now and the guy was like "Why have you bought so much coffee today?" I didn't know what he was talking about, then I came home and looked around and noticed 7 half-full cups of coffee sitting around in various places.
1:33 AM
@Braiam What are the requirements?
Nevermind I can't even formulate a good story. Ignore me.
@Frank outdoors, resistant to smoke (would be on a high traffic portion), don't "hang" from the ceiling, a nice vine but instead of a wall, a ceiling
@AndrewT. Yup
Your mom is protected by a tunic of old leaf petioles
1:35 AM
@Braiam What is the light source? and the lowest and highest expected temps?
@Frank upvotes
@Braiam go ask it and get rep on GL.
@Braiam Ooh, plant recommendation is on-topic on GL
@AndrewT. indeed
1:39 AM
Still can't close on Meta, because stupidly wasted half the rep on bounties before realizing that they don't make any difference... or at least, make less difference than pinging someone in chat.
@justabrickinthewall I can't either, so I flag.
I think they make a difference, it just isn't pronounced.
/me is a flag-whore
Worlds creepiest plant:
Rafflesia arnoldii is a member of the genus Rafflesia. It is noted for producing the largest individual flower on earth. It has a very strong and horrible odor of decaying flesh, earning it the nickname "corpse flower". It is endemic to the rainforests of Borneo and Sumatra. Although there are some plants with larger flowering organs like the titan arum (Amorphophallus titanum) and talipot palm (Corypha umbraculifera), those are technically clusters of many flowers. Rafflesia arnoldii (Indonesian: padma raksasa) is one of the three national flowers in Indonesia, the other two being the white jasmine...
It doesn't have leaves, and is parasitic.
Lives entirely inside the host plant, except when it breaks through the bark, and opens the worlds largest flower. shudders
MSE too slow
The smell like rotting meat.
1:44 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: COMPARISON BETWEEN ENTROPY AND INTRNAL ENERGY by Eric Niyomufasha on physics.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: KINEMATICS PROBLEMS by jade on physics.stackexchange.com
@Frank will ping ya when I have it
@SmokeDetector yeah mod, edit tah tag, forget the title
@SmokeDetector and yet again... :/
@Braiam The more detail you can add the better, especially location.
how many days old does a new answer have to be to an old question to make it into the late answers queue?
In the sidebar, under Hot Meta Posts: "Why are there still poor homework questions?" :P
@cVplZ waits for answer
1:50 AM
A: How old does a question have to be for it to be a late answer?

Shog9Answers posted at least 30 days after the question was asked (when posted by a new user) are considered "late" for the purpose of that queue.

stops waiting for answer
Do you think using placeholders instead of labels in a form is harmful?
@bjb568 nngroup.com/articles/form-design-placeholders with which I agree; points 1 and 2 in particular.
why the dv?
2:06 AM
Wasn't me, I agree with you there.
I must of drank something bad good, 2 feature requests in one day.
@SmokeDetector false
@SmokeDetector false
@cVplZ Registered as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
2:22 AM
@JasonC kind of abused in Android... (hint is the same as placeholder)
@AndrewT. I know, it annoys me to no end, but I suppose an argument (possibly weak) could be made for extremely limited screen real estate offsetting the down-sides.
I've seen like 9 different command formats used to talk to smoke detector today.
Someone could write the list of commands to be star/pinned... but only privileged users are recognized anyway, and they probably know the commands.
Triangle in upper-right, illuminati confirmed!
"import pickle" That's… NSFW
2:33 AM
@hichris123 Oh word
I saw false, fp, and !!/ all in one day, it was disorienting.
really, there's true/tp & trueu/tpu, false/fp & falseu / fpu, delete, !!/rev, !!/status, and !!/block & !!/unblock.
@bjb568 ... sigh
This is a small but good (and actually kind of interesting) example of why people shouldn't underestimate the data mining power Google actually has: nytimes.com/2014/11/04/upshot/…
@psubsee2003 This post is about SO. You'll have to find a way to accept that. — Jason C 17 mins ago
@JasonC You couldn't have said that nicer?
(putting aside the fact that I disagree, but...)
2:38 AM
@Doorknob ... yet so far
@hichris123 I chose not to. I took the German-style approach that time.
(hmm, the onebox doesn't show it. I have 19996 meta rep :O)
20001, actually. (I support the Borg approach to chat, though it's unlikely to be implemented.)
@hichris123 That post is about SO and he will have to find a way to accept the reality that it is a post about SO. I don't particularly care about his viewpoints; the reality is what it is, no matter how valid his point may be. I also didn't really want to devote another sentence to it (or any brain power mincing words), it is a counterproductive and pointless debate.
@Rafflesiaarnoldii hooray :P
2:40 AM
Bjb568's grandpa plays chess.
@Doorknob -1 you asked a bad question. :D
@hichris123 Lol, did you downvote something? I guess I was too slow to see it :P
@JasonC The point was simply that it was hard to tell if it was a feature request for a change across the network or just on SO.
@Doorknob yep.
@hichris123 I know and do not care. It wasn't hard to tell at all after:
@psubsee2003 that's why I posted on MSO , not MSE, if they want network wide, that's fine with me, but this feature request is for SO — cVplZ 33 mins ago
He misinterpreted what the post was about. Then it was pointed out. Now it's time to move on, not continue a debate. It's completely irrelevant whether or not his misinterpretation was justified.
2:43 AM
@cVplZ I don't really see a point in this. I mean, you might as well just arbitrarily change it to 1 day. Or make all answers get reviewed.
@Doorknob congrats on 20k!
@hichris123 1 day is a reasonable amount of wait time though (IMHO). But I would be interested to see a query about usual wait times. I'll run one in a few minutes if somebody doesn't beat me to it first. A better proposition for wait time could be made, I guess, by running this analysis and setting a target percentage.
@hichris123 Exactly.
Instead of this pointless arguing, just edit.
@hichris123 Oh; well there you go. Problem solved.
Oh don't worry I meant my comment to be the final word; at least from me. That whole comment chain can probably get NC flagged now after that edit.
2:47 AM
Just edit.™
@JasonC I feel like posting an "edited to fix" comment now. :P
@JasonC obsolete, not nc
A: A guide to moderating comments

Shog9When should I flag a comment? When it will be shown to future readers but offers them nothing of value. There are many different sorts of comments that qualify here, roughly categorized by the flagging dialogue itself: rude or offensive comments should always be flagged. What you consider ...

See that^ for all the details
I know it should be obsolete, I just screwed up my comment here. Now I am going to flag as NC anyways just to spite you guys. Then they'll get declined. Then the joke will be on me. Take that.
@JasonC Well I already flagged. So there.
I'm confused to a question like this. The original question was tagged with only, but it looks like a general algorithm. I added since Java and Android are... related. However, I was tempted to remove since I don't see any code related specifically to Android, but then I remember that there might be an exclusive solution to Android...
2:54 AM
Q: Weekly topic challenge: terminology

J. MusserI made a post asking for topic ideas for the challenge, and the highest scoring suggestion is for terminology. So, we're going to build our base of terminology questions. These can be closer to What is the term for [behaviour]? like Why are strawberries cooled before planting, and what i...

I guess it's better to leave there.... right?
@hichris123 sudo: command not found
… wat? Y, search suggestions? Y?
How fitting. I see a soul who sympathizes with me.
Altho that soul was commenting on the sensory fiction video…
@JasonC "profile" looks broken. Also looks like G+; but I am repeating myself.
@Rafflesiaarnoldii I don't understand what I'm looking at.
3:04 AM
Someone's attempt to package SE and Y!A (yes, together) into something G+ -looking.
@Braiam Whoa!
@Rafflesiaarnoldii That's absolutely hideous.
@Rafflesiaarnoldii What abomination of nature is this?
Besides, Google (or whatever) search already does a fine job of packaging all these sites together, plus some.
> W3F is at the forefront for web design, web development, online marketing and SEO; consistently out performing its competitors in Google. [...] We have build this facility over the Stack Exchange sql dump as well as Yahoo Answers feed
These guys mean business.
@bjb568 Site design by W3F.
> optimized for browsers 4+ (600x800)
Ah, the good ol' days
When browsers were only four years old.
SE sites need more of those icons. Bring it back.
Let's put this one at the bottom of SO:
3:13 AM
The good ol' notepad!
I'm glad I wasn't born for most of that horror.
And that I was an embryo for the rest.
@bjb568 Aw dude you missed the absolute glory days.
You also missed the horror of helplessly watching the world turn from a real place to a bunch of anonymous people on forums and in chat rooms in like, 3 years flat. It was crazy.
And a world unprepared to deal with the sudden ability of 10-year-olds to communicate with a significant portion of human civilization all at once.
Strategic placement of backslashes to make CSS kind of work for Netscape and Internet Explorer...
3:17 AM
feels young
Being witness to the process is why I have zero respect for lolcatz.
Well that's not the only reason why.
also 'feels' young
What an ugly flower!
Please blur it, like rene
@hichris123 Omen (from ES beta) thinks about starting a topic challenge there.
@InfiniteRecursion My fault. :P
@Frank ... meaning? (not sure what a topic challenge is)
3:26 AM
Q: How do weekly topic challenges work?

Jon EricsonA handful of sites have conducted a variation of the "weekly topic challenge" idea. I, myself, have become quite fond of them since they do seem to be effective at increasing asking rate and can be a lot of fun. I've personally initiated challenges on several sites (most recently on History and P...

hmm, cool idea.
@hichris123 Here's this week's one one GL, so far so good.
in What on Earth? on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 31 secs ago, by hichris123
@Omen has been thinking about having topic challenges here. Thoughts?
@hichris123 actually already had the tab open for some reason....
somehow, he and I were chatting on the chess beta chat, where neither of us are active...
3:35 AM
@Rafflesiaarnoldii self-deleted.
@Rafflesiaarnoldii Don't usually see spam "voluntarily removed by its author"
Q: What does mean to "get to the nuts and balls of something"?

user228424just an expression I heard from a guy on a tutorial on derivatives in calculus.

But you have to admit it was kind of a hilarious misunderstanding. — Jason Patterson yesterday
Same user posted new spam drupal.stackexchange.com/q/135850/36774
3:47 AM
@bjb568 cya
@bjb568 Peace
@bjb568 prosperity
Did they change the font on drupal.se at some point in the past few months?
My computer has issues with deja vu sans and always displays it in italics; drupal.se used to be completely italicized for me (shudder). I definitely didn't fix my problem, but it looks fine now.
what happened to @user245167? S/he'll be missed.
Oh they made Lucida Grande the first choice, it looks like.
Oh I don't know; I don't have Lucida Grande. Maybe chrome changed its font selection algorithm.
3:52 AM
Hiya @Andy
Good evening
That sounds spooky.
yesterday, by Infinite Recursion
@SilentKiller Not back, reverted my profile because of those flowers...too convincing. Its just the profile though.
12 hours ago, by jadarnel27
You didn't really expect that, after repeatedly talking about never chatting again, then chatting all day, that everyone would ignore it.
10 hours ago, by Infinite Recursion
Why are you curious? I am chatting whole day long, what changed?
<--- one more convincing flower.
I just came to see if there was anything to cv or any spam to flag :)
seems everything is clean on the network, yay!
4:05 AM
Or nobody's watching the realtime tab.
@Rafflesiaarnoldii I like how you have a @Shog9 quotes section in your profile. Just wish he would have some shorter sayings sometimes.
oh thanks, I started to feel good about myself :(
3 standard deviations above the mean (IQ 130 or greater) is by no means "abnormal". The whole article seems to be purely conjecture, and seems to be designed solely to make people with lower IQs feel better about themselves. — gnasher729 5 hours ago
I don't remember what my IQ is.. I think I had nightmares the last time I took a short IQ test online and when I got done, it said "click here to sign up to receive your scores".. thanks for the bait and switch
Tonight is the semiconductors night. This was also the self-deleted spam of this Drupal user, who earned Peer Pressure for it...
4:28 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: GXT TREE GRID DOUBLE CLICK TO SHOW POP UP by in-c on stackoverflow.com
5:01 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Where can you find out more about muscles building supplement? by marthaspiivey on drupal.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector true
@cVplZ Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
gone quickly.
actually, it's advertising us a job position
I was hoping for an edit, but hey, a comment is also good :-)
I think it needs more work than just title, and I'm tired... leaving it to the locals.
5:45 AM
Disappointed that the general SE page how-to-ask is so brief and lacks specifics. It is much better on SO.
I suggested an edit, but it seems it's still unclear to me...
Drupal is so easy. Just keep the Questions/newest page open in a tab, and watch for (1) indicating incoming spam.
A good spam filter strategy would be to just keep drupal.se in read-only mode.
[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 69.8243: Excel web service web part in sharepoint 2013 app on sharepoint.stackexchange.com
@hichris123 why
6:09 AM
? Except that Sharepoint is disgusting.
@JanDvorak Arguably the software is related to programming; I picked "unclear".
It's still more of a tech support question.
Second one needs one more cv
@InfiniteRecursion flajjed :D
tavern looks a bit silent today, where is my nemesis?
6:29 AM
I can be your nemesis if you'd like.
Lol, "my vitamins are called James"
> Daily close vote limit reached; please try again in 17 hours
6:42 AM
still needs one more cv for migration-->> stackoverflow.com/questions/26668533/…
@cVplZ :(
^extremely rude, shouting at a new user like that, flagged
Hey @Bart , glad to see you here so early!
6:53 AM
comment gone
Hola @cVplZ
> cVplZ reviewed this 9 mins ago: Approve
@InfiniteRecursion you rang?
@Bart yeah, the tavern looked a bit silent today
6:59 AM
Only 8am over here. So I guess everything still has to start up
Hi across continental Europe ;-)
@Bart You are not focusing on the star wall nowadays, too bad
I have enough stars to power me for a while @InfiniteRecursion. No need to be greedy. Global warming and all that.
7:01 AM
If somebody wants to flag a comment we could probably get the whole dev team back in here to chat with us.
"flag as I'm lonely"
yesterday, by cVplZ
so both @bart and @Inf have retired from tavern? Don't know whether to cry or be thankful that I can finally start saving some stars for retirement.
@InfiniteRecursion we are noble like that.
I could only give you one @SilentKiller
@Bart true, we are noble and grayscale
7:04 AM
@Bart pleasure is mine :)
@SilentKiller That's a crap question but is it off-topic? It seems arguably related to web programming.
Definitely doesn't seem like "server- or network-related infrastructure administration"
@JasonC it's related to web, but not as much to programming
@JasonC Hmm, I initially misread that I have to admit. But SEO isn't on-topic either
now no words. my words spoken by @Bart SEO isn't on-topic either
SEO is more appropriate on webmasters.stackexchange.com I guess
7:08 AM
Or maybe that particular question on webapps.se, perhaps, since it concerns Google's handling of certain characters in title tags.
Well anyways
A: Where does "What's better for SEO, A or B?" Belong? SO, SF, or SU

Jeff AtwoodPure SEO doesn’t really fit anywhere in the trilogy. Perhaps one of the many Stack Exchange sites would work?

I want to close it but can't find a good reason
"Off-topic because get off my lawn!"?
@AndrewT. Found an seo tag there; good enough for me.
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HOW ON EARTH DO YOU DO THIS? by jujubryan on gaming.stackexchange.com
@InfiniteRecursion The Dynamic Duo is back! YAY!
7:47 AM
"Posting an answer 14 days after the question was asked is considered late for most questions on SO". It's considered late by you. There's a subtle difference there. — ivarni 1 min ago
@ivarni It's considered late by the statistics. — cVplZ 1 min ago
@JanDvorak Tim Taylor is still alive

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