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Rebecca Chernoff

5:00 PM

CRAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

sighs

Tim Stone

o_o

user153011

Not my fault, Chrome didn't recognize my click…

Rebecca Chernoff

apparently I had changes to SEKeyboardMod in my extensions folder that I never copied over to github's folder and committed. So I just totally wiped out those changes.

Tim Post

@RebeccaChernoff I can't do that on command unless I give you tequila and commit access to a project that I manage.

Rebecca Chernoff

let's see if I can get them back, heh.

user153011

5:02 PM

Okay, let's see... software-engineering - no; requirements - yes; requirements-management - yes; requirements-gathering - should be a synonym of -management; requirements-elaboration - see -gathering

Yi Jiang

@Nyuszika7H requirements is too vague and should not be used

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Well, there might be a lesson here...

Tim Post

requirements is a previously obliterated meta tag

Tim Stone

But that does suck. To Previous Versions!

user153011

45 mins ago, by Nick Craver

$("a").wrap("<blink>");

Rebecca Chernoff

5:04 PM

I'd forgotten that I'd done stuff for the activity page. It's another spot where functionality is behind spans/images and it is pretty darn useless.

Tim Post

They tend to creep back, from time to time

user153011

@NickCraver $('a').wrap('<marquee>');

Yi Jiang

@TimPost Perma-nuke is not an option?

Tim Post

@YiJiang it's up to the devs

user153011

CHAT IS DISAPPEARING!!!

user153011

5:05 PM

if you do $('body').wrapInner('<marquee>')

Yi Jiang

@Nyuszika7H I've done that before with chat, when I first joined this place

user153011

> $('*').wrap('<marquee>')
Error: HIERARCHY_REQUEST_ERR: DOM Exception 3

user153011

No luck :/

Tim Post

How many people in this room own guns? I hope .. very, very few ...

Tim Stone

@TimPost I feel like they're all bad tags, but maybe I'm just being weird. requirements-elaboration in particular rubs me the wrong way, but I'm not sure why...

Yi Jiang

5:07 PM

Oct 7 '10 at 13:18, by Yi Jiang

I just tried $('body').children().wrap('<marquee />');

Tim Stone

Heh. :D

@TimPost I don't.

Tim Post

@TimStone That's a meta tag. It says nothing about the question and is vague, at best describing the context

Tim Stone

burns it with fire

user153011

NOOO

Yi Jiang

@TimPost I have my finger pistols, because I'm a Deputy! Pew pew!

user153011

5:08 PM

Tim Post

@YiJiang We upgraded those to Nerf Guns .. @RebeccaChernoff didn't send you one yet?

Tim Stone

Speaking of guns, in case people missed it the other day:

yesterday, by Tim Stone

I always knew my life was missing something.

Tim Post

I just totally hosed any possibility for actually getting my T Shirt

Tim Stone

Oh yeah, I meant to send a self-addressed envelope...man, I've been so forgetful lately.

Yi Jiang

-1

Q: Why JavaScript is so hard to learn

I finally figured out why JavaScript has been so hard to learn! It's case sensitive (That was easy to figure out), and It's variable assignment is different than anything I've ever known. On the first day of BASIC programming class in the Fall of 1976, I learned to assign a variable like thi...

Tim Post

5:12 PM

Speaking of which .. folks, I'm turning alertfalse.com over to the SO community

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimPost already in the mail, damn.

(;

Yi Jiang

@TimPost In which case I'll immediately add a DOCTYPE and remove the <center> tag

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff His mistake was not sending you an email to ask.

@YiJiang Wha?

Tim Post

I just need to come up with some way of 'gate keeping' access to it

Yi Jiang

@TimStone My reaction exactly

user153011

5:14 PM

@TimPost why would be it a bug?

Yi Jiang

Tim Post

@YiJiang I put that tag there specifically to annoy you

Yi Jiang

@TimPost I suspect as much

Tim Post

Mercurial is installed on that server

I'm quite interested to see what the community does with it

user153011

Tim Post

5:18 PM

A cornified version of SO is not an improvement, @Nyuszika7H

user153011

- Glittery Top Questions
- Wonderful How to organise my code in 'modules'?
- Cute jQuery - Display DIV on Hover, when parent DIV class is used multiple times.
- Fun Favorite Tags
- Lovely Ingored Tags

Tim Post

I was thinking .. useful and funny

Requirements:

- Hands off for me. I don't have time, I wish I did

- In the spirit of SO, it actually makes people have a better day at work

- Must not violate the TOS of any other API

If warranted, it gets it's own server. Bandwith is a non issue

And yes, It's peer1 BW

user10926

Do these chat pages get indexed in search engines?

badp's sockpuppet

@user10926 yes

Yi Jiang

@user10926 The transcripts do, so don't say anything that you might regret later

user153011

5:25 PM

It seems that a comment deletion counts as a comment vote. I deleted one of my comments, then wanted to vote up a comment, I got:

user153011

> You may submit a comment vote every 5 seconds.

Tim Stone

@Nyuszika7H Yes.

Tim Post

@user10926 Yes. This is how Jeff Atwood gets back at Google

Yi Jiang

@TimPost Hahaha

Tim Stone

0

A: Possible bug: are comment deletion and comment votes supposed to use the same backend?

Deletion is in fact a vote.

user153011

5:26 PM

@user10926 And you're not safe on IRC either... Freenode is now logged by irseek.com.

user153011

Can anyone find duplicate-chains?

user153011

Question A [closed] duplicate of Question B
Question B [closed] duplicate of Question C
Question C [closed] duplicate of Question D
(and many more...)

user10926

ok, well I created a new page and I wanted to know if someone who proofread the short three sentence of text for me? If someone would be willing to take a look at it, how best should I post the link here?

Tim Post

I hate to break it to you, but once 'said' on The Internet, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy, period.

badp's sockpuppet

:P

Rebecca Chernoff

5:30 PM

Urls don't autolink in comments anymore? Did I miss that change?

Tim Stone

Wha?

badp's sockpuppet

but it's true, even if you don't put it on Google, anybody can copy paste what you write and put it on BitTorrent

Rebecca Chernoff

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/83036/…

Tim Stone

@badpssockpuppet I log all of my IM conversations just for this purpose.

badp's sockpuppet

@TimStone You want to publish "Tim Stone, Exposed" before somebody does it on you? Clever.

Tim Post

5:31 PM

Whatever Google doesn't see, broad and reaching court orders do. And if they don't find it, the laptop searched at a border will reveal it, and if that doesn't .. oh this is just too recursive for a weekend.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I feel like that's wrong..

@badpssockpuppet I'm proactive like that

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone ditto...

Tim Post

I get annoyed at all of the "Information should be free" people who say "Woah, not ALL information should be free"

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff It works for me (in the formatting sandbox.. >_>)

Rebecca Chernoff

I didn't fat-finger a typo into the http:// part did I lol?

Tim Stone

5:33 PM

I thought so originally but I didn't see anything. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

Hmm, so...hrm.

user153011

@RebeccaChernoff Probably because it's a duplicate of the previous link.

Rebecca Chernoff

then why would it work in yours?

Tim Stone

Oh, that does seem to be the case...interesting.

user153011

@RebeccaChernoff No, it doesn't work in mine either after I linked the other three…

Tim Stone

5:35 PM

Oh, no.

Weird.

Rebecca Chernoff

@Nyuszika7H huh?

You said you c/p'd my comment and that it worked fine in yours?

Tim Stone

If you have a [](), it doesn't auto-link the plain URLs. That might be [status-bydesign].

Rebecca Chernoff

Ah, that does sound familiar.

and kinda sucks >_<

user153011

@RebeccaChernoff First I simply copy-pasted your comment and Stack Overflow was in plain text. But I linked it, and then the http://stackoverflow.com link was broken.

Tim Stone

> URLs will be automatically converted into actual links. Links are also allowed by using the Markdown syntax link text. However, the two methods cannot be combined in a single comment.

2

A: In a comment, markdown inexplicably failed to turn SO URLs into links

By design. You can no longer mix raw and markdown URLs in the same comment. Pick one way or the other per comment and stick to it.

(per that)

Rebecca Chernoff

5:37 PM

@Nyuszika7H that makes no sense, Stack Overflow was an explicit link.

@TimStone yeah, remembered as soon as you mentioned mixing.

Tim Stone

I was just following up for the benefit of everyone :P

user10926

Can I post the link with spaces inserted into it?

Yi Jiang

@user10926 Replace spaces with %20

user153011

@RebeccaChernoff check your inbox

Rebecca Chernoff

I think someone is unhappy... (see the @cdixon tweets)

@Nyuszika7H ?

user153011

5:42 PM

@RebeccaChernoff you should see foo, bar, baz, quux, wibble, wobble, corge, grault

Rebecca Chernoff

I have positively no idea what you are talking about.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Wow, heh.

user153011

@RebeccaChernoff I mentioned (@Rebecca) you in a comment containing foo, then I edited it to bar, and so on.

Rebecca Chernoff

On a post where a comment would notify me?

Michael Mrozek

@RebeccaChernoff "Yes, no, definitely not, no, no, what?, maybe, nonsense", in that order

user10926

5:43 PM

ok, try bit.ly/gHBlNx

user153011

@RebeccaChernoff it doesn't?

Rebecca Chernoff

And why edit so much?

user10926

I just want to know what you think of the text

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff I don't think he knows how to use Twitter

user10926

Any typos, recommended improvements in wording, grammar, etc

Rebecca Chernoff

5:44 PM

@Nyuszika7H, I have no idea what you're on about. Really.

user153011

@RebeccaChernoff never mind, I deleted it anyway :)

Rebecca Chernoff

...............................

If you delete the comment, then a notification would go away.

user153011

So it doesn't show up in the inbox if the mentioned user didn't check it in meantime?

Yi Jiang

@user10926 Well, commenting on the HTML, you shouldn't use imgs for background images, and definitely not given them alt attributes like "Upper Border"

Rebecca Chernoff

lol, this graywolf has stopped sending messages to cdixon, but is still going on and on.

user10926

5:46 PM

thank you for the feedback; what should I be using instead of IMG?

Yi Jiang

@user10926 Well, if you expect most of your user to use a modern (ie. not IE) browser, you can simply use border + CSS3 border-radius

user153011

has reported graywolf for spam

user10926

I am still holding off on HTML5 and CSS3 at this time

And while I still want your HTML feedback, what about the page's content?

Yi Jiang

You shouldn't be using text-align: justified, the line height is a little tight

Rebecca Chernoff

@Nyuszika7H I wouldn't say it is spam really. Annoying for cdixon no doubt, but...

user10926

5:50 PM

Those are two issues you are raising, correct?

Line height, and justified text?

Yi Jiang

@user10926 Yes

Well, it would be more readable if you give it more space

user10926

Do you think the line height is too tight on all pages? What browser are you using?

Yi Jiang

(If you really want feedback on content, then I'm the wrong person to ask)

Rebecca Chernoff

At this point, I'm kind of curious how long this dude is going to go on for.

Yi Jiang

@user10926 Well, the homepage is the only page with a large amount of text, so that's the only page which would benefit from more line-height

I'm currently on Firefox 4 RC

user10926

5:52 PM

I have line-height:1.3em;

What would you recommend?

Yi Jiang

line-height: 1.6em on p tags

On the CV page, you have several lists. They would benefit from been marked up as <ul> lists

user10926

let me try the line height now

user153011

Press and hold Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Delete+Escape+Return+Space+CapsLock+Tab+AltGr+Pause+Home+End+PageUp+PageDown+Insert to get an easter egg!

Michael Mrozek

ok enough free consulting i'm going to watch weeds DVD

Tweeted by graywolf on March 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM

@RebeccaChernoff You're just lucky he didn't charge you

Rebecca Chernoff

ahahahahahaha

user10926

5:55 PM

Now I feel like I am reading a double spaced term paper

let me try 1.5

Yi Jiang

To be frank, border + border-radius makes the job of getting rounded corners much much easier; the alternative to that with multiple elements or img tags is pretty ugly, and you aren't losing out much if most of your visitors are using non-IE browser

user10926

ok, hold on; what do you think of 1.5

I can live with that

Yi Jiang

Oh, and why overflow: scroll on html? It creates odd scrollbars even when the page doesn't overflow

@user10926 Sure, its your page, and I don't claim to be an expert or anything

user10926

re overflow; I was getting page horizontal page shifting when going from the CV to other pages that do no require a sidebar

Yi Jiang

@user10926 Eh, I don't think that's really a good reason to do that, but okay

user10926

6:01 PM

ok, I have settled on 1.4 for now

ok, what is wrong with justified text?

Yi Jiang

I think this answer sums it up pretty well:

7

A: Should I avoid using "text-align: justify;"?

Firstly, this is purely a design-related problem and solution. The design of your grid specifies if justifying text is needed. I think justify align alone has no major effect on usability. Bad typography that makes text illegible is what decreases usability. That said, make sure you have solid c...

user153011

user550495

11 2

jquery javascript css design layout columns ajax

user153011

0% accept rate

user10926

ok; I am reading through that; would someone be willing to comment on that page's text/content?

user153011

Rebecca Chernoff

6:13 PM

more videos in the TC founder series are up: techcrunch.com/2011/03/13/founder-stories-spolsky-startup

Billy ONeal

Alright -- I'm confused

There are a ton of references to this "Rich B." guy, basically saying he was a bad apple

But I can't seem to find how/what he did that was bad.

Anyone who was around during the time he was active care to explain?

Michael Mrozek

It doesn't help that he went by like 10 different names. I think his current one is Geochet

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek It is indeed; his profile may be the best place to start: meta.stackoverflow.com/users/5640/…

(Lowest voted answers)

Michael Mrozek

I think quite a few have been deleted too

badp's sockpuppet

62

Q: C# 5 async CTP: why is internal "state" set to 0 in generated code before EndAwait call?

Yesterday I was giving a talk about the new C# "async" feature, in particular delving into what the generated code looked like, and the GetAwaiter() / BeginAwait() / EndAwait() calls. We looked in some detail at the state machine generated by the C# compiler, and there were two aspects we couldn...

c# asynchronous c#-5.0

Top answer voted 0

user153011

6:24 PM

I couldn't not notice the oy there.

user153011

4

A: Hello World 0.0!

Haskell - 144 characters o%y=o.o.o$y;o&y=(o%)%y;o#y=o$o$(o%)&y a=r%y;e=r$w&l;l=r#'O';o=r e;r=succ;u=(w&)&a;w=pred;y=r%l main=putStrLn$[w#o,o,l,l,y,w u,w$r&'O',y,a,l,e,u] oy, that was woolly! No numbers, no numeric operations, variables renamed for amusement. Edit: ...

Moshe

Did someone post the song "Code Monkey" here or was it somewhere else?

Awesome song.

user153011

SOCKPUPPET ALERT!

Yi Jiang

@Moshe I posted it here a few hours ago

user153011

oy!

Tim Stone

6:26 PM

@badpssockpuppet Heh

Moshe

Oh. Awesome song @YiJiang. Coding to it now.

user153011

Oy. Awesome song @YiJiang. Coding to it now.

badp's sockpuppet

Code monkey get up get coffee. Code monkey go to job. Code monkey has boring meeting with boring manager joel.

user153011

document.body.innerHTML = document.body.innerHTML.replace(/oh/gi, 'oy');

badp's sockpuppet

Hm, there's probably a typo in there somewhere.

Moshe

6:27 PM

What's the lyric before mountain dew?

Yi Jiang

@badpssockpuppet cofee -> coffee

Billy ONeal

"Code monkey like fritos" "Code monkey like tab and mountain dew"

Moshe

Code monkey like fritos, code monkey like ____ mountain dew.

badp's sockpuppet

btw, wtf is mountain dew? Coke?

Moshe

Ah, tab and mountain dew. What's "tab"?

Billy ONeal

6:28 PM

Tab (soft drink)

Tab, stylized as TaB, is a diet cola soft drink produced by the Coca-Cola Company, first introduced in 1963. The soda was created by Coca Cola after the successful sales and marketing of Diet Rite cola, owned by The Royal Crown Company; priorly, the Diet Rite had been the only sugar free soda on the market. Tab was "marketed to consumers who want to keep 'tabs' on their weight." The soda was fairly popular throughout the 1960s and '70s, and the Coca Cola company made several variations of it, including Tab Clear and Tab X-Tra, as well as caffeine-free versions. The soda later garnere...

user153011

this is a bug

Billy ONeal

@badp's: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_dew

badp's sockpuppet

Oh, I see. meh, nothing special...

Moshe

Does that guy have any more music @YiJiang?

Yi Jiang

6:29 PM

@Moshe He also wrote Still Alive

badp's sockpuppet

...although it's probably not entirely like what I actually tried, 7-up

@Moshe Sure

@Moshe jonathancoulton.com/store/downloads

I suggest "Re: Your Brains" (also in L4D2) and "The Future Soon"

Billy ONeal

@badp's: The reason for that reference in the song is that Mountain Dew contains more caffeine than pretty much any other soft drink not marketed as an "energy drink" -- which is where it's association with geeks comes from.

Don't know where TaB's geekiness comes from -- I've never seen it.

Yi Jiang

@badpssockpuppet Oh, and the manager is called 'Rob' in the song

user153011

my first approved suggested edit :) I mean, the first one I approved – certainly, on my answer.

Moshe

This guy is on iTunes. Schweet!

user153011

6:35 PM

If someone suggests an edit on my answer, can anyone else with enough rep approve/reject/improve it, or only me?

Billy ONeal

@Nyuszika7H Others can approve it with sufficent rep

20k+ users see a list of all questions pending edits and can approve or deny that way

Takes several users to approve an edit if it isn't you though

(Oh, and users without sufficient rep don't need to go through the "approval" process at all)_

Shog9

@BillyONeal The Simpsons, of course.

Rebecca Chernoff

Wait, people in here haven't heard Code Monkey before?

Shog9

@RebeccaChernoff that plaintive song sung by the scruffy-looking guy in a bar?

Yi Jiang

Sigh... if SO really does stop using rel="nofollow" I'll manually go out onto a search and destroy mission for W3Schools links

Tim Stone

6:39 PM

@YiJiang Any high-rep user who posts one of those links should be kicked in the shins anyway.

Billy ONeal

@Shog9 What?

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek I would consider rewording the title a bit, because the word 'following' usually has other meanings and isn't exactly the opposite of rel="nofollow" (well, at least not to me)

Michael Mrozek

@YiJiang Done, thanks

Shog9

@TimStone data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/q/95107/shin-kickees

(warning: think twice before following that link. YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU SEE!)

Tim Stone

If I kick some of those people in the shins, do I get some of their reps? :P

user153011

6:47 PM

var $1000 =
    '+--------+' +
    '| $1,000 |' +
    '+--------+';

Yi Jiang

@Shog9 Too late! Aaarrggh!! Must resist to go in and edit posts!!! (Well actually, some of them might be false positives with people saying stuff like 'Please don't use w3schools as your guide' or something like that)

Moshe

This Code Monkey not feeling great.

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Yeah, I saw Ivo on there and was like "WTF?", but then realized that the post started with "w3schools is outdated"

We might have to have words with @Pekka though ;)

(And Marc and Nick and...)

Shog9

man... Like 1/3 of the top JavaScript users are in that list. A lot of general reference links... I just threw up a little bit.

badp's sockpuppet

@Shog9 Google juice, man, Google juice.

w3schools has it.

SO has it too.

Shog9

6:55 PM

Yeah, I know. That's why I put either "w3c" or "mdc" in most of my HTML / JS searches.

badp's sockpuppet

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/… ?

(Poor matt cutts.)

oh, Google apparently integrated this extension in the main "product"

Yi Jiang

1

A: What's the equivalent of Java's Thread.sleep() in Javascript?

There's no direct equivalent, as it'd pause a webpage. However there is a setTimeout(), e.g.: function doSomething() { thing = thing + 1; setTimeout(doSomething, 500); } Closure example (thanks Daniel): function doSomething(val) { thing = thing + 1; setTimeout(function() { doSomethin...

(We were all n00bs once before :P)

Shog9

WHO NEEDS SLEEP

Yi Jiang

We could write a bot to do this :P

It is 3am in Singapore right now though. (Gosh, that 'try coffee' idea just now, not good...)

user153011

-1

A: What's the equivalent of Java's Thread.sleep() in Javascript?

Or maybe you can use the setInterval function, to call a particular function, after the specified number of milliseconds. Just do a google for the setInterval prototype.I don't quite recollect it.

Yi Jiang

7:03 PM

Seems like BalusC likes to refer to W3School's page on ajax

Shog9

that's a shame

Yi Jiang

He doesn't refer to them for anything else, but somehow thinks that the ajax page is worthy of linking, which is odd

I just took a quick look through the ajax tutorial; nothing ridiculously wrong like saying that declaring variables with var variable is equivalent to variable, but nothing fantastic either

Shog9

it's the principle of the thing. Like linking to NAMBLA in an answer on safe sex... It implies so much more than you want it to.

or at least, I would hope...

BalusC also links to this: w3schools.com/js/js_timing.asp

which is, IMHO, a crime

Yi Jiang

Ack, now that deserves a kick in the shin

Shog9

I'm editing that. Balus's own example is better than anything on that page.

Yi Jiang

7:15 PM

I searched for 'MDC CDATA' and found this instead: developer.mozilla.org/en/js-ctypes/js-ctypes_reference/CData

CData, as in, literally, C Data. Huh?

Shog9

try w3c cdata.

MDC shouldn't really be the first reference for markup.

BTW: before I forget, please close this: stackoverflow.com/questions/1934526/…

the question linked to in the accepted answer is much better.

Yi Jiang

Well, I'm more confused about what 'C' data is doing, and why is it being introduced in Firefox 4

It seems like an abstraction of the C language allowing JavaScript to use it... or something.

user153011

0

A: How do I delay an animation (in jquery)

You can use jQuery's .delay() method to queue animations. $('#el').delay(1000).slideUp(); If you want to delay something else, then use JavaScript's built-in setTimeout() function. setTimeout(function() { // code to be executed }, 1000); Note that you need to specify the delay in millis...

Shog9

@YiJiang sounds like an implementation detail to me. A base-class for native objects that are intended to be exposed to JavaScript perhaps.

ugh... stackoverflow.com/questions/1495903/…

another couple of links to the w3schools pages for setTimeout and setInterval... except these are broken.

user153011

api.jquery.com/delay#comment-75103451 This is exactly what JavaScript's built-in setTimeout() function does, sigh

Shog9

7:24 PM

@Nyuszika7H Heh... But see, jQuery is a separate language only superficially similar to JavaScript ;-P

badp's sockpuppet

JS is a jQuery dialect, in particular.

Just like Java, C# or Assembler.

Everything at the end of the day is more or less like jQuery, for it is perfect and does all things

Shog9

0

Q: Is belittling language offensive?

Being somewhat of a newbie, I recently flagged someone's comment (excerpt: "How the hell do you expect...") on someone else's question because it belittled the OP, i.e. a reason I felt fit the criterion of Offensive with respect to flagging. Unsurprisingly (at least in light of this answer), the ...

discussion flagging offensive

Follow-up questions: is insulting language offensive? Is rude language offensive?

balpha

is offensive language offensive?

user153011

-2

A: delay JQuery effects

This is the final, the ultimate answer to effects with delay in jQuery: $(document).ready(function() { $('.teaser img').hide(); var slika = 0; function rekurzivni_ispis(trenutna_dubina, max_dubina){ if(trenutna_dubina <= max_dubina){ $(...

Shog9

@balpha HELL NO!

badp's sockpuppet

7:27 PM

Is offensive offensive offensive?

user153011

jQuery.fn.removeOffensive = function() {
    var that = this.get(0);
    // [magic code]
};

user153011

Can anyone guess the magic behind it? (;

user153011

You'll be surprised if I reveal it. So, any ideas? (:

user153011

is revealing the magic in 3 minutes

Moshe

Poll: should I add separators to the Nippon UI?

user153011

7:36 PM

@Moshe yarp.com

Yi Jiang

5

Q: How to start learning Ajax?

Ajax - Asynchronous JavaScript And XML What does it include? HTML, JavaScript, XML, jQuery? What is the best way to start learning Ajax? Is to start from the basics of HTML and JavaScript or on the basis of the language platform?

javascript html ajax learning

Ridiculously bad answer gets ridiculously good answer from David Dorward

Shog9

Re-edited

user153011

> Since 2011, AJAX stands for Asynchronous jQuery and ~~XML~~ AjaX. Why? jQuery is a very popular JavaScript library, and it simplifies AJAX requests so much. – The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

Yi Jiang

@Nyuszika7H Lolololol

stackoverflow.com/questions/2922909/… - sighs...

Shog9

Yes! Another budding programmer learns about W3Schools!

Pekka

7:42 PM

50 mins ago, by Tim Stone

We might have to have words with @Pekka though ;)

Shog9

About that, Pekka... Would you mind baring your shins?

Pekka

Go ahead :) Pure laziness was mostly the reason for my linking there.

@Shog9 oh, stop, stop, I meant having words

Not having my shin kicked

But oh well.... bares shins

But make it quick

Shog9

Too late. Already put on my steel-toed boots

Pekka

Less talking, more getting it over with

Ouch!

Shog9

pauses to inscribe the letters "M D C" into his toes

Pekka

7:44 PM

Incidentally, I have four red marks on my right shin

Shog9

JOB WELL DONE

Pekka

From an unpleasant encounter with my bike's pedal

But I assume it was the karmic predecessor of the kicked shin

Shog9

YOUR BIKE'S PEDAL IS GOOD AT THE WEB

Pekka

Possible. It was a cheap bike, but who knows what they put in it

Shog9

Many things that are good at the web aren't actually all that great at their intended purpose

Pekka

7:46 PM

So the pedal should have been a laptop frame or something. Crap

But it's a good bike. I'm not going to bad-mouth it

especially not in a chat room, if it's that good at the web

Shog9

truth be told, I probably linked to w3schools once or twice in the past.

...though aparently never on SO

Pekka

Everyone did. It used to be so attractive... Low-hanging fruit... 1st position in every search result. "Search no more, sailor!" it seemed to say. "Link me! I can teach the user everything they'll need for the moment."

Shog9

back in the days of DynamicDrive and such, it was hardly the worst choice

user153011

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	}
	window.setTimeout = function (fn, delay) {
		if (!is('Function', fn)) {
			throw new TypeError('setTimeout only accepts a function as the first argument');
		}
		sT.apply(window, arguments);
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Pekka

@Shog9 yeah!

I remember Dynamic Drive's chromeless window script that came up with IE 4

Been a long time!

Tim Stone

7:51 PM

@Pekka Such attractive, poisonous fruit.

Pekka

Yeah. Well, MDC have really, really become great.

They're a good reference to link to.

Although I would still love to see a truly community-owned one.... One without the Mozilla brand on it.

Shog9

I wouldn't.

Pekka

Why?

Shog9

there's the ecmascript spec, the dom spec, etc. if you want something independent

Pekka

Mmm, the thing is that cross-browser compatibility info is damn important

I'm dreaming of a place where you can see any and all possible browser issues with a directive or tag in one place

balpha

7:54 PM

To be fair, MDC mentions browser specific issues in many places, not just for gecko

Pekka

@balpha yeah, they're improving massively.

Shog9

the best option there is a combination of first-party docs and TESTING

Pekka

There is one great resource in German, SelfHTML. They are really great on that kind of info, they used to be the best HTML reference I knew back in the early 2000s hands down. but sadly the english translation project (which was underway) failed, and I think they're not keeping up everywhere any more

Tim Stone

yawns and goes off to a conference

balpha

Selfhtml has lost on me. it's often pretty outdated

Pekka

7:57 PM

@balpha yeah. They should have made the jump to english, they could have blossomed

Shog9

I don't really want to know that IE's string is slightly different from everything else, but if I have to know then I want the IE team to document it... And fix it.

Pekka

@Shog9 (insert world-weary comment about flying pigs here :)

balpha

They used to be number one back in the days though, that's true

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