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'Ello

Fosco

How goes it? I'm enjoying myself this weekend.

Not bad, working as usual, heh.

@Fosco It's my birthday, and I really really want a Surface 2.0

Oh, it's your birthday? Happy birthday @YiJiang!

cues flashy birthday animations

Fosco

4:54 AM

@YiJiang Happy Birthday! Sorry I can't help with the Surface :)

Michael Mrozek

5:12 AM

When did 10ks get the ability to see comment flags? I just noticed it now

@MichaelMrozek Around yesterday I think

They've pushed an update to the 10k tools

yesterday, by Yi Jiang

Cool, they updated the flagged post interface for 10k tools! Yay! It now has colors OMG I THINK I'M GOING TO CRY!!!

Michael Mrozek

@YiJiang Ah, cool

Comment flags on SO are ridiculous...

@MichaelMrozek Noticed that yesterday too...

Tyler Chacha

6:03 AM

Hello

6:33 AM

Hi there

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Q: Error on "close" click

When I click close in mysql---which type i should use? this is what I get in console: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x805e000a [nsIXMLHttpRequest.open]" nsresult: "0x805e000a ()" location: "JS frame :: http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4.2/jqu...

bug

can anyone reproduce this bug?

@zerkms No repro, try force reloading using ctrl+F5

already reloaded

the same behaviour

No repro here either.

oh, adblock+ caused this error

:-S

@zerkms Odd, I've used ADP for the longest of times with SO with no problem

Of course I recently whitelisted SO, but that still shouldn't cause any problem

6:39 AM

With whitelisted it works fine

And my god, who bought my neighbors some Karaoke machines?

It's bloody annoying

Michael Mrozek

@zerkms If you fixed it post as an answer and self-accept in two days

7:11 AM

2

@YiJiang Wow

8:51 AM

pokes

doing web design on a 42" TV

@DanGrossman for couch web designers?

that'd be me, today

also I just like playing with the web browser on my Google TV box

make a Dreamwaver for the TV :P

for all those who need their page to pop and be cool and awesome and special and can't trust those boring greedy web designers.

they did send me this thing hoping I'd build optimized webpages for it

bed time now

I was blissfully unaware what time it was until now, thanks ;)

4

9:02 AM

just reload chat for updates!

Wait a second

the manpages of 2 basename give this example:

           char *dirc, *basec, *bname, *dname;
           char *path = "/etc/passwd";

           dirc = strdup(path);
           basec = strdup(path);

...I thought you had to, yknow, actually allocate space?

oh, they do silently.

Reno

@YiJiang whoa D:

George Marian

11:25 AM

HTC Evo's battery deflects a bullet, earns 'Life Saver' badgebadge-v/

@GeorgeMarian Is that a gold badge?

George Marian

lol

Platinum. ;)

►

George Marian

@YiJiang So bad, it's funny.

11:46 AM

Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)

12:31 PM

1:39 PM

markdotto.com/playground/3d-text

^ <3

@YiJiang Natural evolution of MOTHEREFFINGTEXTSHADOW.com

Although I guess the effect only goes down :)

@radp Ha!

@YiJiang indeed: mothereffingtextshadow.com now has a 3D button

1:52 PM

Oh Lordy.

I wish they could give us enough time to settle on HD before immediately moving to 3D :|

but no you gotta consume consume CONSUME.

Q: constructing protected fixed length

gosh, i have never seen someone you're trying to help being this offensive:

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#include<iostream> #include<string> using namespace std; class sid { protected: string wq; //fixed length of 30 (i tried string wq[30] but couldn't make it work) int zu; //fixed length of 100 public: sid (string x, int y) {wq = x; zu =y;} // how to construct fixed length ? }; i...

c++ class

@marcog Flag some of the comments. 10k users should be able to see them and flag those too. Alternatively, just flag for mods. Oh, and downvote. Definitely downvote.

@marcog I flagged the comments too

@YiJiang I flagged the question for mod attention

And it was bad enough yesterday to get a downvote

Here goes his last reputation point.

Now he'll never know if he got suspended!!

2:04 PM

@radp Right, like that giant red banner doesn't tell him so :P

@YiJiang You'd expect it to drop, but does it?

It wouldn't be a very useful message anyway

Oh, and just a note, both the question and it's accepted answer is on the top of the lowest scored post list in the last two days list

"You have been suspended, see your profile"?

"You have been suspended, check your email"?

@radp You have been suspended, behave yourself.

@YiJiang "You have been suspended, enjoy this rickroll:"

2:09 PM

is there automatic suspension?

@marcog No, never. Except for the system on SU I think

They did an experiment a while ago to merge all spam accounts into a single suspended account. Not sure how it turned out

There is -- on chat at least. 30 minutes on flag based deletion.

@radp Ah, chat's different, of course.

Chat makes sense, sorta, but posting could be a bit harsh

dev-null

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It appears this account was never actually used though.

@MichaelMrozek will know more about it.

2:11 PM

"So when you can't solve a basic question, you close people down and change their and yours question and answer, that is how big a bigot you are" <- new comment...

Deposit, .

1 3

mac video convert

^ That's the one I'm talking about

@YiJiang meta.superuser.com/questions/tagged/deposit

@marcog Don't bother. Each user only gets 5 comment flags. Three will delete the comment in question

This dear friend got no love :(

The spam gravatar is funny though

2:14 PM

dev-null and deposit should totally be linked.

Form an unholy alliance or something.

@radp Yeah. I don't know why SO doesn't have one. Or maybe it does. Hmmm...

Is it possible to get a list of suspended users? A data dump flag or something?

@YiJiang I think I heard they want to make one. I forget the name... Yi... Yij Iang?

um no but close.

@radp haha. very funny. :|

@YiJiang We can't be poking fun at @RebeccaChernoff all day long :|

Gotta distribute the love.

@radp The WOB is good for that

2:17 PM

kitten should totally join this room...

@IvoWetzel \o/

need some changes I guess, hm let me see

Hmmm... no info in the database schema that says anything about user suspensions

@IvoWetzel I'd prize that as an exclusive meme for the JS room.

@radp Hm, yeah although it would be handy to have the code for multisite chatting in there

joyent node smartmachines suck

2:33 PM

lol

woostercollective.com/2011/01/…

2

Ah, Italians.

runescape members paid-version hardware first-person-shooter audio situational-awareness

2:54 PM

If you feel like flagging, Fabian suggests:

user6154

1

@radp Done

That should make 4 flags

Hmmm... four of us now. Need one more

@YiJiang Kitten!

@radp flagged

2:57 PM

@IvoWetzel He hasn't got enough rep :P

@YiJiang Ah, yeah that's right... and a shame!

Q: Veggie samurai for iPod touch

0

My mom has a score set on my iPod touch and I can't beat it , is there a way I can reset the score to zero and start all over?

ipod-touch

^ lol.

haha

hey, it's a proper question by a new user, respectah foo :P

4:11 PM

I just saw one of the weirdest tag combination on SO: [php] + [mathematica] Unfortunately it was a mistag - oh well...

@YiJiang Isn't anything [php] + * weird? :P

@IvoWetzel Even [php] + [php5]? :P

@marcog As I said :P

has used PHP and now hates it with passion

heh

i hate it too, but i might end up with a job coding in it

Way back I ported a blog/podcasting site from WP to pure PHP since it was easier then hacking in crazy plugins

2 years later I redid it in Python

Since then, I hate PHP, the Python version was smaller, cleaner and way faster to write >_>

The worst thing about PHP is typing "->" on a non US keyboard

4:18 PM

@IvoWetzel Ha! Why not just switch keyboard layouts? Most modern OSes should allow for that

Or map some obscure button on, say the numpad to that

@YiJiang Need a US keyboard then

@YiJiang Well I could easily do a VIM mapping nowadays for it

I already remapped the stupid äöüß

ß inserts {

}

Q: How does the Price Trends feature in eBay work in IE?

Does anyone know why this question has 4 close votes?

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When looking at a listing for eBay, for example: http://catalog.ebay.com/Apple-iPod-classic-5th-Generation-Black-30-GB-/60655662?_pcatid=39&_refkw=ipod&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A4030&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 The Price Trends chart shows up as iframe appare...

javascript html5 canvas cross-browser

good question

I definitely didn't vote to close it

@YiJiang WTF?

kicks the close voters in the shins

It could be off-topic, but NARQ isn't going to do here

4:25 PM

Don't enter the JS room, it's currently contaminated

@IvoWetzel Hard work scrubbing it clean, sigh...

Did @YiJiang post a seizure-inducing animation?

@TimStone No, someone mentioned Expert Sex Change

Oh, that's far worse.

@IvoWetzel You should be glad your keyboard had decent braces after all

4:26 PM

And not as a joke too. He actually went up and looked for information there

His poor soul :(

@YiJiang ....People do that, and don't hate themselves?

We need to bring him to a shaman or something the like

Or better: An Exorcist

@IvoWetzel on the Italian keyboard the { is a three key chord.

omg

I already have to hold down altgr, but that... is just sad :(

Who designed these things?

4:32 PM

@radp This explains your love of Python :P

:D

@TimStone Ha! Very true

@TimStone well, there still are dicts :P

actually I need to look into a good C implementation of a dict with strings for hashes, although I don't have a damn clue of where I'd go looking for that.

bah remap something :P

...something that doesn't take 2,592 lines to initalize, like pretty much all C libraries.

4:36 PM

just go the usual C solution

put the initialization into a different file :P

then it's just a small function call!

@IvoWetzel sure, so why couldn't the library give me the small function call? :|

@radp No! Because then it would be bloated! ;)

@IvoWetzel opt-in bloat :P

Hm that initilization thing might be a good topic for Code-Bowling :D

@IvoWetzel Don't overdo it, or else it'll become like code golfing

4:41 PM

man 3 des

...all I wanted is encrypt 4096 bytes of data with a 128 bit key, likely different each time

Does the Sex Change come from the fact that E is 69?

Since it's my birthday I think I'll throw a 50 bounty on a Meta question. Which one would it be, hmmmm?

Q: Why does Meta show a empty box obscuring the questions on some tabs when using Firefox on Linux?

Profile bug! Actually no, that one's not nearly old enough to warrant a bounty.

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When visiting meta via my Linux (CentOS 5.5) box (at work) using Firefox (currently 3.6.13) I see an empty box which obscures the questions. This is for the default page when I view the active and featured tabs. For other tabs, I don't see the obscuring empty box; nor do I see it when I vie...

bug css view

His font doesn't seem necessarily "large"...just super wide O_o

@TimStone Meh, I think I know the answer to that already

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that, just referencing it for the sake of giving context to my next message.

Q: Cannot edit a post after a mod tag was added to it

4:52 PM

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I'm having this same problem, but when I remove the status-completed tag to edit a post, it says that the "status-completed moderator tag must be present" Is this intended behavior? The net result is that you can't edit a post that's been marked with a moderator tag

bug editing moderator-tags

just it already does have a bounty.

There was a Meta question a while back, and the reason is because some Linux distro internally maps common Windows fonts to F/OSS versions. I suspect this is happening here. It's a dupe, but SO's sucky search function is preventing me from finding it

@radp :|

Q: Stack Exchange sites need a universal clock that is visible!

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Since the Stack Exchange sites run on one clock, and a clock that is not common to most of us (such as those of us in the US), can we display a clock with the site time (UTC) displayed somewhere on every page, such as at the bottom with the other text? That way we are more aware of when the days...

feature-request timezone time

although you could fix this with an userscr---

oh well.

@radp Meh, too simple. Seriously.

Userscripters have done it already, no?

@YiJiang Yeah, although it's kinda ugly.

Urgh... @require jQuery, just for that!? Geesh

Q: What are some of the major challenges you would like to see StackExchange take on in 2011?

4:56 PM

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It's the new year already in some places, and that means new year's resolutions. So, I began thinking... what major changes will 2011 bring to the StackExchange network? Here are some of my hopes. Some are reasonable, others are... interesting: v2 of the API - This one's already scheduled. I h...

discussion new-features

discussion-y and fun enough!

@YiJiang Hm, maybe the post this links to (deleted now, apparently...)

Actually, I'd rather want something that hasn't been resolved yet, and that means bug/feature-req. For discussion questions most good answers are already there, and there's no point in awarding the bounty to @waffles there, even if he deserves it

@TimStone Aha, yes it's that one

@TimStone Ah, good ole Bitstream Vera Sans.

The only variant of that I didn't hate was the Extra Light.

Yeah, I'm trying to think if there's been anything recently that warrants a bounty, besides the already-bountied mod tag issue.

@TimStone That one is good, but it's already bountied

4:59 PM

Maybe something good about elections.

Hence the besides bit :P

They're supposed to be imminent.

Ah crap, if nothing good comes up I'll just bounty that old three letter username notification thingadongdong of mine

Hahah

@YiJiang that's a good one too, but I don't see any rep award for that :)

5:00 PM

(Third or fourth bounty I've thrown at it, too)

Q: For Special Polls/Elections - Option to Hide answers Until Future Date

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(This may be a limited, moderator-only option, but... who knows what kind of uses we can find for it.) When conducting a poll or an election, earlier answers get much more exposure (and many more votes). For issues where you want to weigh true community opinion... Nominations: New Stack Overf...

feature-request poll election moderator-nomination

@radp It's not gaining momentum, and I don't think throwing a bounty at it will do any good.

@YiJiang You should've asked us 2 days ago to post something controversial.

Now you could bounty it :P

@radp Well post it now, and I'll bounty it in two days time. I can always delay the birthday present

Q: What should community ♦ mods do with spammers?

In this case, this question is gaining momentum

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OK, so I deleted the spam post. What's next? Should I destroy the user? Put it in suspension? Ignore it? And what should I do if the spammer opens a new account from the same IP and spams again? Is there anything that can be done if the spammer opens a new account from a different IP? EDIT I'm r...

support moderation spam

5:06 PM

@radp Too young, and I betcha it'll will have a pretty good answer in 37 hours time

@YiJiang I think the community has been fighting spam for years now; Deposit is still experimental.

Finding the holy grail in the next 37 hours is a bit optimistic :P

dunno though.

Q: How to review? Can we agree on a review 'policy'?

@radp Is it? I thought it was a pretty old experiment

Anyway, any conclusions from the experiment yet shared by the mods?

I know, the policy for review question should be good

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On the review page, there is a one-sentence guideline on reviewing. I think that as the number of reviewers increase, it is going to become increasingly necessary to come to some kind of agreement about a standard way to handle the different 'cases' that arise. I'm not sure if 'one question to r...

discussion policy review

I believe it to be important, there aren't a lot of good answers yet and I think a bounty should push more traffic to this question

Aye?

It's your birthday.

It looks mighty fine however.

Bountified. Will review answers in 7 days time

Happy Birthday!

5:12 PM

Indeed, that's a good question to throw a bounty on

5:48 PM

I would fix @radp's bug right now, if I wasn't having fun learning haskell :)

@balpha You're learning yourself a Haskell for a great good?

@balpha no worries, it's such a trivial one.

I mean, Haskell.

ducks

I figured

@TimStone actually, I'm using the O'Reilly book

yours any good?

There was a crash at @balpha's too, hmmm...

Well, that works too. I have no idea, someone linked it to me and it's been sitting on my list of things to consider at some point in time where I have free time.

5:52 PM

start here:

If this doesn't make you want to try out Haskell, nothing will: http://bit.ly/gI2LHR (thanks to Benjol on chat.meta)

Tweeted by balpha on November 25, 2010 at 9:08 AM

Too many to keep count now, though I'm happy to say that Chacha's, Jin's and the Tavern's all have 0 so far

@YiJiang ?

@balpha lmfao

heh

5:54 PM

ah

Plane crashes. Substitute Wrendingbury for balpha there

balpha airport isn't actually called balpha?

Another doomed AI attempting to go up against my well oiled money making machine muhahahhaha

What does "stalemate" mean to you, off the top of your head? (@whoever feels like responding)

@PopularDemand A chess game that will likely end in a draw?

5:56 PM

noone can do anything

Deadlock!

@RebeccaChernoff The station was built first, so the name stuck

Interesting, thanks. I just joined Board Games SE and answered a question that could have just as easily been an English SE question. Was wondering if I was out of line. Looks like I was, a little bit.

I am intrigued now. :P

A: What is the term for a stalemate in Checkers?

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There is no such term, because there is no such thing as a stalemate in checkers. It is always possible for at least one player to win, although in some cases that would require extraordinarily poor play by the other player. EDIT to reply to comment: I know this is really getting into semantics,...

6:01 PM

Wow, my edit wording was way better than my initial wording.

> Watch out when repeatedly using the ++ operator on long strings. When you put together two lists (even if you append a singleton list to a list, for instance: [1,2,3] ++ [4]), internally, Haskell has to walk through the whole list on the left side of ++.

I can't recall, is it the same for Python?

oh, it's the inverse.

Haskell doesn't keep track of the list length?

@TimStone It must be linked lists with no link to the bottom.

even if you know you must step 20 times, you still have to do those steps

Yeah

I don't suppose anyone has Ravens-Chiefs on?

6:09 PM

Not at the moment, no.

@PopularDemand I had it on a transient google search page result tab as I tried to figure out what you're talking about.

Does it count?

@radp Not unless you had live video going on in your Google search results.

@PopularDemand I don't think I have any legal option to do so

@PopularDemand Eww, the game is on CBS.

@TimStone, dammit. I've been playing Drop7 since you mentioned it. You made me miss the beginning of the Chiefs game.

Oh, incidentally, I have the game on.

Now. >_<

6:13 PM

@RebeccaChernoff Hey, don't blame this on me! :p

I had not touched it at all this morning until you had to go and mention it!

I was just trying to figure out why on earth you were in Gaming's chat. Turns out that it was for a non-game-related reason, but let's ignore that for a moment and shift the blame away from me. ;)

@RebeccaChernoff Clearly, SO is on the right track with its hiring decisions.

@TimStone I know, a mod flag that didn't get ignored for once, who would've expected that

@radp Times are changing, it seems.

6:15 PM

@PopularDemand hm?

@radp I think it was the 'little blue mod girl' bit that did it.

@RebeccaChernoff I think he was applauding your ability to be both on time and on task.

@TimStone I was applauding her decision to watch the game.

What is this raven chef thing?

@YiJiang A topic for Cooking SE.

6:21 PM

The problem with AIs is that they always get in the way

@PopularDemand Ah, I guess that works too, though I'm not particularly interested in this one. :P

Sometimes I just have to dig my way out of stick situations

@YiJiang Baltimore Ravens at the Kansas City Chiefs, American football playoffs.

@RebeccaChernoff Oh, okay. Eh... a football team called chefs...

@YiJiang chIefs

6:22 PM

not Chefs, ChIefs

Though there is that Snickers' commercial

Erh... right. Chiefs.

Wish I was at Arrowhead. Minus the cold...

Now I'm hungry..

6:38 PM

lifehacker.com/5728803/five-best-question-and-answer-tools

Greg Hewgill

unsurprisingly, google leads by a wide margin.

@RebeccaChernoff How can you beat Google? :P

Greg Hewgill

but perhaps surprisingly, wolframalpha is next

@GregHewgill It's good if you know exactly want you want - the aggregation of data and the natural language parser is both quite interesting

Greg Hewgill

yeah, wolframalpha has its uses ... but only if you know the correct question :)

6:49 PM

Unsurprisingly, Yahoo Answers didn't make the list :P

@YiJiang It could be beating quora (note "other") :P

Oh freak, two crashes at Nick Craver in a row.

7:14 PM

I just realized I could fool around with the AI pathfinding

This is going to be fun (muhahahahaha)

@GregHewgill and SE has its uses... but only if you know the correct site :)

What a bozo. Asks questions, deletes and re-asks them if he doesn't get answers, deletes them if he gets his problem solved. I vote for undeleting this one:

stackoverflow.com/questions/4640707/…

@Pekka Is it the same as the last one?

(Undeleting)

Same case with this one:

stackoverflow.com/questions/4579393/…

What an asshole

Hmmm... that makes two users doing the same thing now

7:18 PM

@YiJiang he asked the same thing two hours ago, I happened to see that

Maybe you'd want to start a Meta discussion on this - it's really gaming the system

@YiJiang yeah. This must stop

@Pekka I can't see them, but good find based on your description.

@PopularDemand There was another user doing the exact same thing about a week or two ago

He had created at least 4 dupes before the mods deleted his account

why d u think they do this?

maybe they r misinformed?

7:22 PM

@Tshepang no, they're assholes

If you're > 10k, look at the deleted questions

this guy knows exactly what he's doing

@Pekka Only if they're warned. Maybe that's okay behavior where they're from.

@Pekka is he rep-farming?

@PopularDemand Yeah, but this guy's been warned plenty in the comments

@Tshepang not really - he has no rep to speak of

@Tshepang No - a recalc will wipe the reps out

oh, so he's just screwing around

strange what ppl do

7:25 PM

@Tshepang yeah. He's getting his code written for him, and as soon as he has it, he deletes the question. Some people....

@Pekka Okay then.

Q: User deleting and re-posting questions

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This bozo asks questions, deletes and re-asks them if he doesn't get an answer, and deletes them as soon as he gets one. Examples for solved questions he deleted (I called upon Chat.Meta to undelete so they may be active again): Replace element value in XML php Xml add element node using PHP ...

support

@Pekka I can't see ur whole sentence, staring from "Some people..."

is this a bug with Chat?

@Tshepang no, just an exclamation (Like sigh) :)

Intentional that way

@Pekka Also bookmark last week or whateverwhen's discussion over the other user who did the exact same thing

7:27 PM

@YiJiang I think I remember hazily

@Pekka oh, ok; I think I saw someone else do the same kinda exclamation, and I thought it was maybe a bug.

silly me :)

Another user repeatedly deleting and reasking question

Jan 1 at 10:41, 41 minutes total – 10 messages, 2 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 6 secs ago by Yi Jiang

@YiJiang hey, didn't know that feature! Nice.

Shog9

hey, don't undelete this - he reposted it (and then deleted that one). No sense adding dups to the system just to prove a point.

7:47 PM

@Shog9 yeah. But I voted to undelete on those questions that got a satisfying answer (and thus should be accepted) - that should be okay, shouldn't it?

Have you guys seen this? A StackOverflow clone as a single static page using jQuery and Redis

servicestack.net/RedisStackOverflow

@DanGrossman Fancy.

@DanGrossman The UI looks half finished

@Shog9 Shog heh, the powers of Meta have now undeleted almost every question I linked to (which was not really my intention). Well, off to vote as duplicate :)