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Q: what is Jail-braking?

Misbakhwhat is Jail-braking? on iphone for what it is use? how can i jail-break iphone 4?

 
Dammit! Who the hell sent it over to SU!?
(I voted to close without migrating, but it was 2 v 3)
Now I have to go over to SU and flag it as off-topic -_-
 
and I wish I could propose an edit :P
 
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Q: Community♦ user edit: How does it know what to edit?

FelixI just noticed that the Community♦ user edited a ~1 year old answer of mine. As you can see, the method call was changed from getSfGuardUser to getGuardUser: Now I checked the documentation and it seems that the edit is correct. But how did Community know about that? Afaik it is an automated ...

 
@YiJiang Where do you think it should go? I would have liked to migrate to apple.SE but couldn't
 
@Josh Nowhere - SU can't take it, so just close as OT
 
1:04 PM
@badp You can: SOCKPUPPET ACCOUNT!!!!
 
No point in waiting for a mod to turn up and move it to Apple
 
Seems a bit harsh for a new user, but, I see your point.
 
And definitely contributing to the perception that 'SU is the dumping ground of the Trilogy'
 
Idea: with 3k rep on a site you can vote to close off topic and migrate to that site you have rep on from all others.
instead of migrating to sites you have no clue about
 
@badp Not really useful - that removes too much migrating power
They're still right about 95% of the time - it's a lot of complaints and work that goes into the last 5% though
 
1:07 PM
if somebody asks a game rec on SU, they see the word "game" and blindly migrate to Gaming, except game recs are disallowed on Gaming.
 
Here's an idea - create a separate page that 3k users will/can have to look though that lists the top 'What belongs here' bit from each of the migrate option site, instead of the current format, which is a bit of a pain as you'd have to go through each of the faq to look for the appropriate site to migrate to
 
that'd be the faq
 
Single page, and if that's not enough, force them to look through the list before allowing them to use the 3k powers
 
Well it's already been closed on SU too, LOL
 
@Josh Yeah, now let's hope Ivo doesn't get too angry :P
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Q: If a Facebook user dies, what happens to the account?

Mehper C. PalavuzlarIf a Facebook users dies, what happens to his/her Facebook account? Is it deleted after a certain period? Should his/her friends or relatives inform Facebook that he/she is dead?

 
1:14 PM
I'll calm him down, he still owes me one for helping him with his dog paw python script database ;-)
 
+23 upvotes and 2k views in 23 hours
 
I have a "friend" on facebook who died last year
He was a client of mine
His staff kept the account open and use it as a mermorial
Reading "Diff is hard, let's go shopping!" it would appear there's no stopping this new anyone-can-edit functionality... sigh I am not pleased with this
I guess that saves me the time of having to write a long argument against it though
 
@Josh Then complain about it. The "feature" has not being made formal yet, maybe if you open up a discussion you can get the community's view on it
 
maybe I still will...
@YiJiang and @Benjol, you're both in favor?
And @badp, you too?
 
@Josh I'm undecided, still want to see the exact implementation
 
1:21 PM
@Josh, sorry, I was away, have to read back...
 
@Benjol The new anyone-can-edit feature, do you like the idea?
@YiJiang ah HA, so a well argued post may sway you!
 
@Josh: If I had the time to find it, I'd point you to the chat with Jeff where I stated my main reservation: too many editors, not enough reviewers. Especially if the editors get rep and the reviewers don't...
 
And of course by "well augured" I mean covered in freehand circles...
@Benjol yeah that's one of my major concerns
 
@Josh How are you... oh never mind, you'll find a way :P
 
I'm also concerned that the edits will be WRONG, and then block good edits
@YiJiang I could write my entire answer in freehand and circle the whole damn thing ;-)
 
1:24 PM
@Josh Of course that's an implementation detail - the system could allow 3k editors to bypass the new user edits
 
I think it required a certain level of knowledge of the sites to be able to edit well enough. I've been around for 1.5 years and still I am unsure of certain edits I make
@YiJiang This is true. Waffles commented on that, but since it's not finalized maybe it's, well, not finalized...
 
Yeah, where's the How to edit page anyway? And they should be made to read through the umpteen questions in meta about whether saying thanks in a question is allowed or not :)
 
@YiJiang found it:
> @Robert ... this helps fight information rot... so many old questions need TLC. pending edit will block further edits and be actionable inline. – waffles♦ 14 hours ago
 
@Josh Hmmm...
Well, in Felix's case, it actually worked!
 
specifically pending edit will block further edits and be actionable inline
@YiJiang this is very true
 
1:30 PM
When im dead i dont want anyone to access my mail accounts o_o
wat do ?
 
now that I read the comments more thoroughly I do see seeds of dissent
I will post my own question later
 
freaking gmail give out the password if you present the death certificate . humpf
 
@Reno Put passwords and your intentions in your will / living will
 
You have my vote @AidenBell!
You'd be a good mod, I think
 
1:32 PM
@Josh - cool :)
 
this feels like a miss world contest no offense ;D
 
@AidenBell I love the lack of any campaign in your post, HAHA
I may have to fix that for you
 
i'd totally vote you
 
@Reno a miss unicorn contest, you mean ;-)
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@Josh - no need. Picture says it all
@Josh - Also, my first post was
"I nominate myself. I care."
 
1:33 PM
@AidenBell This is true, LOL
 
@Josh haha :D
 
Im going to be rallying support when voting starts lol, get presidential on it
Though I could have pulled the million question card, I would have won off the back of that no worries
:S
This was my second choice photo:
 
Gngn, slow down you people, how'my'sposed to keep my list uptodate and get some work done? :(
 
lol
 
@AidenBell Well, we're not at the voting stage yet :P
 
1:37 PM
I wonder, does that QR can inside that picture
 
@YiJiang - yea just realised that
 
@AidenBell You made the right choice
 
If i become a moderator i'll booze till im sloshed then get online and swing the banhammer with the might of Thor himself
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@Reno - im sold
 
Wow, not bad...
 
1:37 PM
lol
 
@Reno AHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
jack daniels :D thats awesome
 
@AidenBell, age please
 
and your sweater has the same pattern thingy like your face :o
 
23 IIRC
 
1:39 PM
Oh @AidenBell, looks like you have some stiff competition!
@MichaelMrozek is running against you!
 
@AidenBell, thanks :)
 
@Josh - a battle commences
@Benjol - why?
"Images in nominations will be programmatically disabled on the next push, please edit your nomination accordingly to not have issues when this happens, it doesn't meet the minimum length threshold without the image currently"
damn!
 
HAHAHA
 
@AidenBell Change it to ascii art!
 
1:45 PM
@Benjol Maybe it'll be more useful to update the list only when the nomination stage is over
It's too much work keeping track of all the new norminations
And we can't really use the info for now, since we can't vote
 
@YiJiang, yeah, I guess. at this rate, the automated version becomes increasingly attractive :)
 
@Josh - my nomination thing now lacks some serious face
 
I just saw that. Sad!
 
If anyone wants to edit my thing, go for it
Oh it isn't editable
 
I can't, I guess I need more rep?
 
1:51 PM
Nope, I don't think it's editable for anyone, too dangerous...
 
Ah, OK
Edit links show under revisions but 404: stackoverflow.com/posts/4735804/revisions
So many of these candidates I don't know from meta...
They'll never get my vote
 
@all - well slap something in here and it will form my nomination
I can't think of something witty to write
 
oh no!
> @ifaour thanks for the compliment. I will not be throwing my hat in the ring, mainly due to time constraints, and because I'm planning to leave the industry soon and my SO activity is very likely to decrease massively as a consequence. But there are really great people on the list - bit of a shame there are only two positions to fill! – Pekka 13 hours ago
 
"The only conceivable reason to not vote for Aiden Bell is because you've already used up all your votes on Michael Mrozek. Or vice versa"
 
@Pekka is leaving the industry???
@Benjol I have to say, this is the #1 reason you may not get my #1 vote @AidenBell ;-)
 
1:56 PM
@Josh Yeah, he talked about it in chat the other day
 
Probably when @RebeccaChernoff dared me to be silent ;-)
@YiJiang I'll search the logs. It was probably Monday actually, I wasn't here at all then.
 
@Benjol - posted
 
@Aiden, You've got a pluralization bug there :) ducks
 
@Benjol - wut?
 
memberS, :)
 
1:59 PM
@Josh - want to fix that?
 
oh man.. that Pranay Rana guy doesn't have a chance in the moderator election..
 
@AidenBell do you have a dailybooth account ?
 
@Reno - nup
 
ah too bad you got good boothing talent
 
@AidenBell sorry I am not sure what this refers to?
 
2:00 PM
@Josh - people in here are forming my nomination text
 
ah. Ok, lemme think :-)
 
I had the bad idea of leaving a cdrom inside my laptop as I left home, now as soon as the cdrom unit requires enough power it shuts off the computer.
 
@badp - ouch
New drive maybe
 
obviously attempting to remove the cdrom only causes the shutoff to happen faster
no, new battery rather
 
@badp paperclip!
 
2:02 PM
I don't have one here and now
 
rats
 
@YiJiang - input?
Feel free to say "Don't vote for this guy, he is a plank"
 
Apparently Mr. I'mNotOnMetaAndProudOfIt has been bumped off the list?
 
A good reason to vote for @AidenBell is his profile says, "I can also be found up to mischief on MSO chat". This means he's approachable and you always know where to find him!
 
@AidenBell "Don't vote for him, or else I'll go after you with a giant <b> tag"
 
2:06 PM
@Josh - cheers, not a rave review, but posted lol
@YiJiang - I will post it lol
 
@AidenBell HAHA. Working on a more rave review :-)
 
@Josh - I need all the help I can :P
@YiJiang - no revision?
 
@AidenBell What do you mean?
 
Ok
@YiJiang - happy with that stackoverflow.com/election
lol
 
@AidenBell I'll get you back for that, I promise
 
2:10 PM
@YiJiang - lol
@YiJiang now it is verbatim through fear
 
good afternoon guys
 
So far, this is the single most depressing campaign in history. So far I have:
a) is always in the chat
b) vote if you didn't vote for another guy
c) Don't vote for him
hovers over withdraw
 
sorry, got distracted reading your meta posts :-)
 
@Josh lol
 
stupid pos battery
 
2:14 PM
specifically the SO movie question, which while infinity entertaining did not give me many good points to your election winning credit :-)
OK. <serious><campaign for="Aiden Bell">
 
after I did remove the cd, the laptop battery apparently ran out minutes later.
 
@Josh </serious>
 
I blame @yijiang
 
That's about all that need to be said
 
@Josh - Im not saying im a good candidate, one way or another, everyone in here is
mwaha
 
2:16 PM
for the unbalanced tag
 
@badp </campaign> Done. There goes the campaign
 
I AM STILL WRITING! YOU ARE ALL IMPATIENT!
Oh, crap, that was still in the <campaign> tag. Rollback.
 
@Josh Well, we're producing invalid XML here, so the parser is complaining very loudly right now
 
@Josh yup, very soon!
 
@Pekka I'm sorry to hear that!
I hope you're going to be doing things which you find engaging, however!
And, it does mean more PHP questions for me :-)
 
2:20 PM
@Josh it's a joyous occasion though, and by choice! :)
@Josh Thanks.
@Josh Heh! In that case, you need to vote Gordon for Moderator :)
 
@Pekka - becoming a carpenter?
 
Then I will be happy for you, even if the PHP/SO/Technology community is losing a valued asset!
@Pekka I'm torn between @AidenBell and @MichaelMrozek ;-)
 
@Josh - there are 2 places
 
<serious><campaign for="Aiden Bell">[...] This means he's approachable and you always know where to find him! With nearly a year on StackOverflow and over 10k rep, Aiden clearly knows how the community works and has the knowledge to back that up. He has a genuine interest in helping the community grow and his behavior on the site and in chat demonstrates this.<?campaign></serious>
 
@Josh Thank you! Re the election, well, you have two votes :) Strategic mod-voting of tag competitors is perfectly acceptable :)
 
2:22 PM
@AidenBell but I only get one #1 vote ;-)
oh, wait
I thought everyone gets a #1, #2 and #3 vote?
 
@AidenBell I don't think that would work out for me :) Actually, I don't yet know what I will become. We shall see!
 
do we get two of each vote?
 
@Pekka - well good luck following your heart. Brave.
 
> all community members with at least 150 reputation can cast three votes: 1st choice, 2nd choice, and 3rd choice
 
@Pekka, well be sure to come back and let us know!
 
2:23 PM
@Pekka Well do take at least a few minutes and pop back in chat to let us know!
Inquiring minds want to know!
 
@AidenBell Thanks! Yeah, it is very exciting.
@Aiden @Josh I definitely will return to chat from time to time.
 
@Benjol bah, I really need to read before I send, to see if others just said what I am about to say ;-)
 
@Pekka - you could always "go shuttleworth" and try for space
 
@Josh You didn't close that <campaign> tag properly! Ha!
 
I will have my SO accounts dissolved - being on page 1 is too much of a temptation to just answer one more question - but I'll create new accounts to be around on chat from time to time and (when it comes to fruition) Outdoors.SE
 
2:25 PM
@YiJiang and of course you waited until after the 2 minute edit window. Twit. ;-)
@Pekka you'll...what? wait, I DO NOT COMPREHEND...
 
@Pekka Awww... that is incredibly sad. Please, don't go.
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You could always try selling your rep :)
 
"I will have my SO accounts dissolved", this does not compute
 
@AidenBell Heh, I think I'm lacking the funds for that :)
 
@Benjol Pekka Rep Gold - get yours today!
 
2:26 PM
@Benjol actually, I've been planning for months to do something crazy with all that rep
But Jeff, being the clever git he is, has blocked all possibilities
 
@Pekka If the rep must go, this is an idea I can get behind
 
@Pekka - sorry, Africans can't eat it
 
You have to wait 24 hours before you can start a bounty
So you can't mass-bounty away all the rep
 
@Pekka AH! BLASPHEMY!
 
@Pekka - just sell your account, then you can go shuttleworth
 
2:27 PM
I bid $10!
 
@Pekka Hmmm... at a rate of a 500 rep bounty per every two days, it would take a whole year to use them all
 
@pekka :(
 
Damn the anti-gaming rules!
 
@Josh I actually toyed with the idea of passing it all to some hapless newbie through bounties :) But that would be too destructive for the system.
@Aiden ahahaha!
@YiJiang yeah, that was what I figured, too, it's too long
 
@Pekka Yeah, in seriousness I do agree.
 
2:28 PM
look at alex martelli, 150k reps and not a visit in weeks! You can do eeeet
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But the martelli-machine has a Python script to answer for him
 
@badp I don't think I can. As long as I have rep, there will be a voice saying, "just one more!" :)
 
@Pekka, so your new adventure doesn't mean you'll be away from a computer then? otherwise the temptation wouldn't be an option :)
 
@badp Yeah, and I managed to stay quiet in chat yesterday for... um, 3 hours... when rchern dared me to. So, ok, yeah actually that's not much of an inspiration. Sorry, nevermind :-)
 
I swore to myself yesterday I'd spend the whole day with Firefox closed
 
2:29 PM
that's the problem, you always have 1 rep :P
 
@Benjol It is the plan, but nowadays you never know! I will be aiming for non-IT related work but obviously, there is some amount of computers involved in every profession.
 
I survived by opening Chrome :(
 
@Benjol Cheater!
 
@Pekka Just ignore and hide your interesting tags, then you'll think there aren't any questions you want to answer. :P
 
how about you ask for a suspension instead?
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2:30 PM
@TimStone Heh! That kind of self-delusion doesn't work for me :)
 
@Pekka, I'm sure we can create a user script which disables the answer button for you :)
 
@badp Yeah, I think waiwai did that before on Meta for a month
 
@badp Nah, I think I'm out for good. It gives me goose bumps to think about it but I think it's true... Time will tell
 
Yeah, @Pekka, go break a few windows :)
 
But how will I stay motivated without a high rep user to give me compliments on obscure PHP compiler questions? (Thanks for that, by the way!)
 
2:31 PM
@Benjol That would definitely work! And you won't even notice it!
 
Wait if your account is dissolved what happens to your answers @Pekka?
 
@TimStone heh! That was a brilliant one.
 
If they go away then you can not do that
 
@Josh, same as Neil wotsit
 
@Josh the answers remain, but my icon will be that greyed-out one
 
2:32 PM
OK cool
 
@TimStone - get in on this or I am dead in the water stackoverflow.com/election
 
@Josh They go to an anon. account. See Neil Butterworth
 
51
Q: Why does Neil Butterworth say "please delete me"?

Prasoon SauravWhat happened to Neil Butterworth's account? His about section says "please delete me". I have never seen him saying "please". By the way what happened to his reputation score?

 
Oh wait, if you have your account deleted though all of your votes go with it.
 
@YiJiang ok sorry, forgot
 
2:32 PM
@Josh The only effect that I really don't like is that in my understanding, my votes go away
@TimStone Tim yep, that sucks
 
@Pekka Yeah, some of us are going to see our reps drop quite a bit
 
@Pekka oh noes, I'm sure you've upvoted me at least once ;-)
 
you and your fake plastic imitation upvotes!
 
@YiJiang yeah, although it will be fairly distributed. My biggest worry is that some accounts that were blocked due to low-quality questions will resurface when my downvotes go away :) :)
 
@AidenBell Uh oh, what have you done? :P
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2:34 PM
@TimStone - lold
 
@AidenBell correction:

mischief on MSO chat This means
mischief on MSO chat" -- This means
going AFK, BRB
 
@Josh - fixed
 
@Pekka Hey.. I don't want to see you go anywhere, or the evidence of your contributions erased... Can't you just have SO disable/lock-out your account.. like memorialized as if you were dead on facebook? :)
 
mornin ... caffeine - check. muffin - check. skype - check. chat - check. nominations closed to under 10k - check. neck stiffness gone - X
 
@Pekka, or create a dummy openid and then throw away the key?
 
2:36 PM
@drachenstern - hmmm muffins
@Pekka - I agree with @Benjol
 
@Fosco @Benjol @Aiden have checked with Jeff about the options. The "deletion" option will "memorialize" me in that my name will remain next to my contributions (which is great should I ever need to show off some general language abilities during an interview or something.) I wouldn't want a high-rep dummy user hanging around dead in the water, it somehow doesn't feel right and it clogs up page 1 (and after some time, page 2, page 3...)
 
cool
 
:\... clogs up page 1? Who cares about the user list?
 
@Fosco it's not really important, but it don't feel right. The user list should consist of active users IMO.
The only thing that goes away is the votes (which isn't great) and the possibility to list all my contributions (which I will scrape before I give the signal).
 
@Fosco my userlist to horserace screensaver script cares
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2:39 PM
Anyway, I will be around - I still have a month's work ahead of me before I'm free - and unemployed for the time being :)
 
"and their off ... it's skeet in the lead followed closely by Gravell in the second furlong it's 3/1 good odds on the firm ..."
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@AidenBell "A vote for him is like a vote for yourself" <-- catchy yes? :p
 
@drachenstern - nice
 
@AidenBell "the only candidate that cares enough to want a userlist horserace screensaver" <-- sillyness now
noms on muffin
waits on hold for pharmacy
will be the next call answered.
 
@drachenstern - posted
 
2:42 PM
I'm trying to think of something witty, but at the moment I just feel tired. :P
 
for the record: Fatboy Slim on the left ear and bad light jazz on the right with a muffin and orange juice (fighting colds, yeah?) is kind of an odd sensation overall ... I suggest you all try to replicate it at some point on your bucket list
 
@TimStone - lol you can always push a revision my way
@drachenstern im too busy enjoying my playlist of pink noise and frequency sweeps lol
 
lol, it's ok, I'm pretty sure this counts as pink noise as is ;)
I figured by nomming my muffins someone was bound to answer
 
Weird, last checked @Benjol's stats post were only at +1, from me, and suddenly it's at +10
 
@drachenstern nommage
 
2:44 PM
@YiJiang, I posted a link underneath one of the nominees...
 
@Benjol Hehehe, brilliant move, I must say :P
 
I see my +26(++?) comment fell off when the rep-cap raised itself. Shame that, on account of his not wanting to ever visit meta.
 
A bit cheeky, but I do genuinely think that a simple nominee schpeil is not enough to base a decision on. As amply proved by Aiden :)
 
@Benjol - :)
I think
 
Morning
 
2:48 PM
Morning!
 
@Moshe hello
 
Sad to see you go @Pekka. I think that so long as SO exists, it is too easy to sign in with another email.
Might be worth it to ask for suspension, as mentioned earlier.
Like that you can't log on even if you wanted. Ask for a two or tree week break. See if your still interested in logging on after that. If you still have the urge, try one more suspension. If all else fails, then be more drastic.
From what I read in the transcript you just want to not be on SO all hours of the morning.
 
@Moshe mmm, I would do that if I were staying in the business, and just looking to reduce my SO presence. But I'm truly leaving the craft, and getting rid of the rep is a necessary part of that :)
 
current hold time: 16:55 ... should I hang up and rering the pharmacy? Seriously ...
 
@Benjol Nah, it's all right, shedding the rep is overdue (I planned to do that January 1st)
@drachenstern Wait five more
 
2:52 PM
@Pekka wait, so you're dumping rep? So I can whore some rep off you by a bounty?
 
@Pekka, seems weird to do that, why not just wait the few weeks and then go out with a bang?
 
@Pekka I see. Why not ask Jeff uo do something for you. Put in a Feature request to lock up rep?
 
@Moshe
http://chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/458878#458878
 
They should totally have a list of "retired users" that don't show up on the active user lists but that stay in the system. Or is that what's being proposed?
 
How do I do that quote thingy? can't remember...
 
2:53 PM
@drachenstern Interesting idea, too
 
take out the >
 
@Benjol I read the transcript.
 
16 mins ago, by Pekka
@Fosco @Benjol @Aiden have checked with Jeff about the options. The "deletion" option will "memorialize" me in that my name will remain next to my contributions (which is great should I ever need to show off some general language abilities during an interview or something.) I wouldn't want a high-rep dummy user hanging around dead in the water, it somehow doesn't feel right and it clogs up page 1 (and after some time, page 2, page 3...)
 
@drachenstern I do have an Amazon Wishlist, you know... wink
Just kidding
 
Wait, what? @Pekka is leaving?
 
2:54 PM
Anyways, I'm gone soon, so have a good one Pekka. And let us know what life is like on the other side ;)
 
Also, I I remember correctly rep is recalculated from time to time. Perhaps they can do something then? Or access the DB.
 
@Benjol hahahahahaha! Thanks, I will. :) Later!
 
lol @ amazon
When does this evaporation occur?
 
@GeorgeMarian yeah! Thread starts here
36 mins ago, by Pekka
@Josh yup, very soon!
 
Also, I'm not sure why you have an issue with a stagnant account. SO will move on until normal rep levels are upper 10S of Ks. So you won't be a standout for ever.
 
2:57 PM
That's what I'm thinking personally
 
@Pekka Yah, I read some of it. So, you're leaving the biz?
 
@Moshe yeah, but I somehow don't like it. It's like you have an unused bicycle in your flat (that you plan on never using anymore) - my instinct is to get rid of it
 
idk, there's all these users leaving SO in mass migrations, I'm curious if that's just the nature of the industry or what ...
 
@GeorgeMarian yeah, to new, yet to be determined shores!
 
@Pekka so you foresee no more programming ever? I suppose that's ok, but you also have all that knowledge in your head that's still useful
 
2:58 PM
Still in the process of finishing projects, handing over things to successors.....
 
Right but it's not a bike. It's information that other people are relying on.
 
@Pekka Interesting. Mind if I ask why?
 
Anyways, regardless whatever drama or inner turmoil, you know that the sane ones of us are always happy to see someone pursue their goals. If this is a goal of yours @Pekka, I'm happy for you and wish you the best, but of course.
 
@Moshe but the contributions stay, just the account they're linked with goes defunct
 
Im gathering half hearted quotes
 
2:59 PM
Right but the votes effects others.
 
@AidenBell Ok, now I'm confused.
 
@drachenstern thank you! Re knowledge in head: In a way, my year on SO was an act of handing over some of the information :) Although I learned a lot more than I gave away, in a way
 
I think old votes should be preserved.
 

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