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7:14 AM

Anyone seen any info about whether the new home page has increased the number of answered questions?

@Benjol Hmmm... too early to tell?

The powers that be holds the data. The rest of us will have to hold till the end of month data dump before doing our own statistical analysis

Benjol

I'm certainly seeing more questions I know how to answer - even if most of the time someone else still gets there first ;)

Michael Mrozek

7:47 AM

Was the Ctrl+s hotkey to save drafts dropped? Or is it just not working for me locally

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek It's dropped, yes

Jeff said that supporting that shortcut was using too much code, which is slightly odd, but okay

Marc Gravell

9:49 AM

@TheUnhandledException - a little something for you on the way...

95

: Gardening and Landscaping

Proposed Q&A site for gardeners and landscapers of every kind. From those just looking to care for their lawn, to those who want to grow fruits and vegetables. This site is for any kind of gardener and/or landscaper. (Vote in comments about scope change.)

I'll take a look at why the Q&A is a bit wonky...

radp

@rchern fix: gain less rep!!

I'll look at the timer logic.

@MarcGravell woo Area51 oneboxing :D thank you.

Yi Jiang

@MarcGravell Nice - but what's with the unescaped HTML entities?

Also, when is the A51 api coming out?

Marc Gravell

10:05 AM

I already noted that...

build server is doing it's thing - give it a few minutes...

AFAIK there are no current plans to add an Area 51 API. Not even for chat.

95

: Gardening and Landscaping

Proposed Q&A site for gardeners and landscapers of every kind. From those just looking to care for their lawn, to those who want to grow fruits and vegetables. This site is for any kind of gardener and/or landscaper. (Vote in comments about scope change.)

happier?

Yi Jiang

@MarcGravell It doesn't tell us what stage the proposal is in, and what that number beside the title mean

Wait, it does. But it's still less intuitive than, say questions or answers

radp

@MarcGravell Yes, if it was easier to know if it's in definition/commit/beta/launched status. Maybe replace the follower/committed/day counter with the overall progress pct?

Marc Gravell

balpha is prettificationiong it as we speak

Jin

11:08 AM

anyone up?

radp

@Jin aye

Jin

❴❵ can you see those as unicodes? supposed to be a pair of curly brackets

xahlee.org/comp/unicode_matching_brackets.html

i can see them, but PC people can't... i wonder if it's because i have certain fonts installed on my Mac

radp

I'm on Linux and I can.

Jin

Windows users can't for some reason... i wonder if I have to specific certain fonts in the CSS

radp

TURN OFF THAT DAMN MICROWAVE

@Jin My WinXP is pretty much vanilla and I got squares :(

Jin

11:19 AM

can you see them ok on that url i linked?

i was able to see them OK on my PC laptop, I noticed that site has font-family: "Arial Unicode MS","DejaVu Sans",sans-serif; for those unicodes

Yi Jiang

@Jin I can see them on Ubuntu Linux Firefox

Jin

@YiJiang you mean on that site i linked, or the ones I pasted in chat here?

Yi Jiang

@Jin Both

radp

It'd be faster if my connection didn't drop every thirtieth second.

@Jin everything below "Common punctuation" gives boxes on Chrome WinXP

Jin

@radp bummer.

radp

11:25 AM

Trying IE8. Same.

@Jin I know, Webfonts ftw?

Jin

yeah i won't go that route then. once again, font > me

Yi Jiang

That's odd, because I'm pretty sure Chinese brackets would work

radp

Math.SE does load correctly.

@YiJiang Probably they do when you install the optional Chinese i18n support.

Yi Jiang

《》<- The brackets used for book and poem names

Jin

it has to be curly brackets

due to a bug in our css minifier, i can't use }

radp

11:27 AM

Indeed Math.SE does load correctly on WinXP vanilla + IE8/Chrome7

Yi Jiang

@radp Can you see those brackets I just posted?

radp

@YiJiang Nope. Not on vanilla WinXP.

Yi Jiang

@radp That's odd. I'd swore I could type those on Windows and see them without any problem

Jin

i can see them fine

Yi Jiang

Oh, right. XP doesn't come with East Asian Character support by default. Is that the reason?

radp

11:30 AM

@YiJiang I'd say yes.

@Jin I know you can, I know I can't.

Yi Jiang

Help:Multilingual support (East Asian)

Throughout Wikipedia, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese and Korean characters are used in relevant articles. Computers with older operating systems with the default language set to English or other Western or Cyrillic language settings will require some setup to be able to display the characters. Newer computer operating systems do not require any additional steps to view languages other than English. Check for existing support If you see boxes, question marks, or meaningless letters mixing into the first part, you do not have support for East Asian characters. Chinese #; This is Traditional...

Check?

radp

Only use I've had for this WinXP partition is installing Steam to use its IM :D

Jin

@radp I know you are but what am I?

radp

@Jin An awesome designer from hel--

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US

Jin

I think I died and went to CSS Zen Garden.

Tweeted by jzy on November 10, 2010 at 8:16 PM

Yi Jiang

11:34 AM

@radp Helicopter pad! Hello world! Help needed! Helvetica!

Jin

i think typeface wise, the TeX site is my fav so far

Yi Jiang

Jin ♦, DC

911 1 7

^ Washington DC :)

Jin

@YiJiang some may call it hell..

radp

@YiJiang Helvetia. (= Switzerland.)

(just continuing the list of completions.)

Jin

i'm using Palatino+Lucida for the TeX site, I think it's a pretty good combo

Yi Jiang

11:37 AM

@Jin So you're actually inserting those tag brackets with :before and :after

Jin

yeah. the problem is, minifier bugs out for after{content: "}";}

it thinks "}" is the end of that statement

maybe HTML escaping?

doesn't work in CSS

@Jin Escaping?

i tried

11:40 AM

@Jin, if it's any help, on FFX, XP (in French :):

Marc Gravell

did you try hitting it really hard and swearing? maybe a few choice threats?

Benjol

Yi Jiang

That's odd... how are you going to do the inset letterpress effect for the individual question titles?

I don't think text-shadow accepts inset

Jin

multiple text shadow

but i decided not to use it, because it skewed the shape of the font

text-shadow: 1px 1px 0 #fff, -1px -1px 0 #000;

Yi Jiang

@Jin Oh yeah, and one last thing - how did the divider between the toolbar buttons for wmd disappear for all of the new SE sites?

Jin

11:50 AM

because i removed them

Yi Jiang

@Jin Erm... leaving the rather ugly gap? What was wrong with the dividers anyway?

Jin

i just feel if there's white space to separate groups, then there's no need for |

i also removed | from the topbar too. but you can see them on the trilogy sites still

going ZzzZ. thanks for testing the unicode for me.. gn

Yi Jiang

@Jin You're going to bed at 7 in the morning? :P

Benjol

12:20 PM

Should I flag this as spam? ;)

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A: Can I use C# Serialization to read a binary file in custom format?

You can't do that with BinaryFormatter - it will expect additional meta-data/padding around object. You would have to read manually either from a Stream or similarly via a binary reader. Having done some very similar code, I would write my own reader that sits on top of a stream, with methods li...

radp

1:27 PM

ugh, so to show a message on somebody's desktop while ssh'ing I must

- login as them

- set their DISPLAY variable

- fire up a program that shows the actual message

rchern

2:00 PM

@Jin, was going through my meta questions last night and saw this one. Did it get shoved under a rug?

Tim Stone

Nothing like a dental cleaning at 8 in the morning to really wake you up.

rchern

heh

Tim Stone

The fact that I'm up this early anyway is nothing short of amazing. Hopefully today will be productive. :P

Yi Jiang

2:19 PM

Cool... 8 days and Physics' already got its first perpetual motion question

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Q: What is the fallacy in this infinite motion machine?

I realize this isn't possible, but I can't see why not, especially if you change the model a little bit so that the balls simply travel through a tube of water on the way up, rather than exactly this model. Please be clear and detailed. I've heard explanations like "the balls wouldn't move" b...

buoyancy paradox perpetual-motion

Tim Stone

2:34 PM

Heheh, nice.

radp

@YiJiang +1 for troll-face, -1 for typos in graphic :/

Tim Stone

liter, heh.

radp

"liter than" "going threw" ← just because your spell checker doesn't complain doesn't mean your spelling is right

Yi Jiang

@radp Yeah, it's a really amateur attempt at disproving several centuries of physics

radp

@YiJiang "-1 not enough muons"?

Yi Jiang

2:40 PM

▶ Watch Happy Up Here by Röyksopp on Vimeo

Have a look at this ^ It's basically a giant game of space invader

radp

with Gaming hearts.

radp

3:04 PM

Bah, I just found out my router has a telnet interface.

Except it doesn't seem to be useful at all.

Fosco

@YiJiang I am optimistic that some day we will find a source of relatively free energy. I don't expect to violate any laws of physics, however.

The Unhandled Exception

@MarcGravell Awesome glad to see those oneboxes working now!

rchern

@radp This does not seem like a good fix.

Tim Stone

I agree. You should continue to gain rep, but then just filter it all over to me.

Yi Jiang

@rchern Good enough for me :P

Fosco

3:14 PM

-1

Q: How to learn Erlang framework?

Hi,buddy~~~ I had two question about Erlang. Is design pattern of concept to be suitable for use in Erlang? Want to understand the architecture quickly. Could you recommend any great framework and how to learn? what view-point to explain this erlang framework. Thanks for you.

design-patterns frameworks erlang

> I'm not your buddy, friend. – Fosco

Tim Stone

I'm not your friend, guy.

Fosco

:)

damn I thought we could close to migrate to Programmers.SE... guess not.

The Unhandled Exception

I thought it was "I'm not your friend, pal!"

rchern

@TimStone This also does not seem like a good fix.

Tim Stone

It's possible, my memory is notoriously sketchy.

Fosco

3:15 PM

they went through like 4 different things

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException "Sirius Cybernetics Robots are plastic pals that are fun to be with!"

The Unhandled Exception

LOL

Tim Stone

@rchern I looked at the available options and it seemed to be the best there was to work with. I know, I know, I'm not happy with the solution either, but sometimes it is what it is. ;)

The Unhandled Exception

11 hours ago, by Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException Ahem... three letters, how can you forget? (Or are you been deliberately obtuse?)

rchern

You'll sacrifice yourself and do the hard job because someone has to do it though, right?

The Unhandled Exception

3:17 PM

@YiJiang I wasn't being obtuse, was trying to use your first name only. But I thought two letters worksed in chat if we'd spoken recently?

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException Three letters for @-mention, don't make me go bash you over the head with a giant "YI"

Popular Demand

@YiJiang Use the ideograph. Remember, short names for the win.

Tim Stone

@TheUnhandledException I was going to link to the Family Guy reference for this, but the YouTube clip I found was crappy. :P

Yi Jiang

@TheUnhandledException It doesn't. Also, "Yi Jiang" is my given name

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