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5:00 PM
I think you should know (or at least suppose) I would only be doing this where necessary. I've only actually wanted to do it twice, for the same reason both times.
 
Late to the show: My heatsink:
 
I'm just curious what your desired comment is. But I've asked for that a couple times and you haven't given it, which only makes me more suspicious.
 
I just didn't want to repeat something that I already knew had been answered on Meta, meh.
 
It's a surprise, and it's personal
 
@AidenBell ...Seriously? What the hell is that? :P
 
5:02 PM
@Tim It's a large passive heatsink.
 
@MarkC, shrug I just get an uneasy feeling about it.
 
@TimStone - It takes two large case fans lol ... Mine don't even move, so passive cooling
 
I've seen one before, but probably with not so many pipes.
@Rchern It's for a comic effect. I really wouldn't be questioning what you wanted to do with information I gave you.
 
Ah, wow, heh. It looks massive. And I thought mine was unwieldy, heheh.
 
@TimStone They spin up if I push either graphics cards as ambient rises
@TimStone I want:
 
5:04 PM
Hahahah
 
lmao
@TimStone - There you go, for scale
It is huge
 
Wow, hahah
 
Saying that 35C constant at 100% CPU
 
I think that my core temperature peaks around 65 now
Switching to the heatsink I have now (from the stock) dropped me 20 degrees, heh.
 
@AidenBell Dayum....that's freaking huge.
 
5:16 PM
^^ a pretty wicked screenshot/capture program
~12 hours left to download and get a free key
 
@GeorgeMarian - It doesn't really get in the way of anything, the worst issues I have had is with the Nvidia card blocking most of my SATA ports
degraded RAID is uncool
 
@AidenBell Does it have to be installed after the cards?
 
@GeorgeMarian - No, right after the CPU as it has a back-brace on the MOBO
 
Lest it snap the thing in half with its awesome girth, hahah.
 
Oh, my bad. It's covering the RAM slots.
 
5:25 PM
@rchern meta.stackoverflow.com/users/144781?tab=accounts as you can see he cares deeply about being involved in the community...
@AidenBell what is that?
@TimStone I thought my solution was fairly spiffy
 
Does it actually work in comments though? Chat has much laxer rules about content.
 
no, I tried it once. I'm not sure if it's because it's UTF or if it's because of something on the page. I could probably force the issue, but I haven't tried.
besides, it's an interesting way to consume a line of chat with one keystroke
 
Heh :P
 
so moving on
I want a new monitor
but I sit at a L desk, anybody have any good thoughts on cheap monitors I can talk my boss into buying?
 
@drachenstern What's desk shape got to do with it? And how cheap is cheap?
 
5:30 PM
Anyone know a UK source of the right cable for this?
 
idk how cheap is cheap, just reasonable. and as for desk shape, to indicate that I'm sitting a variable distance away (meaning placement is open)
 
Only low-profile SATA cables will fit under the PCIe card
 
Ah ha
 
some people have it pressed against a cube wall and they only have straight through so they sit at most 18" away
 
@drachenstern Oh, you actually use your extra space. I have an L but might as well be in a cube.
 
5:32 PM
@PopularDemand yeah, I have quite the open floorplan here and can USE my whiteboard ... it's so lovely
I hate when my coworkers mash my dry erase markers and mess my nubs up
 
@drachenstern That's a firable offense.
 
I should probably get a whiteboard, as my head is becoming an increasingly less reliable place to store information while I'm trying to figure out a problem.
 
Well, it should be.
 
@PopularDemand Gotta have the space, even if it's just to have empty space. Though, I always end up surrounded by stuff. looks at the lack of empty space on his large cornet desk
On an unrelated note, the fish look a lot more active today. phew
 
heh
 
5:37 PM
@GeorgeMarian Heh. I have a horrible combination of needing everything to be incredibly organized, neat, clean and orderly and being a perfectionist, so I can never decide where the best place for something is or whether something is clean enough. (<sub>...also I'm kinda lazy.</sub>)
 
That sounds remarkably familiar. :P
 
I moved 2 months ago and that seemed to trigger a huge spawn. So, I hadda move some of the fish into a new tank. Would've felt bad if I lost a bunch of them in the new tank. (Only one older fish lost so far.)
 
What kind of fish do you have?
 
@PopularDemand Heh. I'm the same way. My problem is lacking enough space for all of my crap. Being dyslexic also means that I tend to prefer having my crap out where I can see it or a definite place for things otherwise.
 
is the aquarium at home or at the office?
 
5:40 PM
@TimStone Mostly guppies at this point. The fish originally belonged to a friend of my gf's, but he left them when he moved across the country.
We lost the zebra fish, but the 2 neons are doing just fine.
 
Ah, cool. :)
 
@drachenstern At home, though one tank is the home office.
 
nice
 
I forsee many more fish in my future, now that I've been bitten by the bug. Initially, I didn't want anything to do with them, for various reasons. Then, the whole "if you want it done right, do it yourself" thing came into play. So, now I'm taking care of the damned fish. :)
 
I used to have tropical fish when I was younger, I think two neons, a tiger fish, and these shark-looking things that got much bigger than I expected, heh. Then Canada decided to go and have that major ice storm in 97/98....unfortunately that didn't end well.
 
5:42 PM
d'oh
I haven't given much though yet to power failure issues. Thankfully, that shouldn't be a huge issue here. (Ironically though, we've had 3 scheduled outages so far for work in the area.)
 
Since then I decided that it was more maintenance than I wanted at the moment. Fish are pretty easy on a day-to-day basis, but the tank cleaning is much more of a pain than I would have expected, heh. And you have to be very sensitive about the water conditions, especially for the tropical fish.
 
Yup, I think it was the new water that claimed that one fish. She was an adult and likely rather old, so it's not surprising.
Thing is, I don't have it in me to just kill 'em off, slowly or otherwise. So, here I find myself expanding to another aquarium.
 
@GeorgeMarian My cat is hungry. Two birds, one stone?
 
Thankfully, it's relatively cheap on a small scale. Just annoying when you have to do major maintenance.
@PopularDemand LOL
 
Hahahah, how shameless.
Yeah :)
 
5:47 PM
I am a pet problem solving ninja.
 
I think your cat would be very dissatisfied munching on neons ;)
 
Not to mention guppy fry/younglings.
 
@TimStone Well, I don't know anything about tropical fish, but I don't particularly like my cat, so... that's a non-issue.
 
Ah, very good then...I guess.
 
I stopped counting at 30. It was like a mass of flies!
 
5:49 PM
@GeorgeMarian Hahah, I remember when one of my neons had babies. Originally we just thought it was excessively fat, because they were supposed to all be the same sex...but then a while later I saw the little buggers swimming around.
 
@TimStone Moral of the story: don't get on the bad side of your local pet shop owner.
...I think.
 
Or don't trust them, either way.
 
Shouldn't Unsung Hero really be called Greeter?
 
I'm fine with being the former. :P
One of my neons committed suicide too, but I'm not really sure how..
 
5:52 PM
The funny thing is we were worried that the move would put to much stress on the fish. We had to draw down the water twice and move them like that. So much for that concern. It likely caused the spawn. lol
 
Hahah
 
is preparing to release version 1.2.2 of one module and 2.0b4 of another
 
@TheUnhandledException Nifty :)
 
Both bugfix releases, but still nice :-)
We wanted to release then Tuesday, but...
 
@TheUnhandledException What happened to version two point negative one pre-alpha?
 
6:00 PM
@PopularDemand It's still out there, one customer has it
 
KILL HIM! KILL HIM WITH NDAs!
 
Almost everyone has 2.0b3 of that module. They'll all be getting 2.0b4 today. One single customer has 2.1a1-earlyalpha
Hopefully 2.0.0 will be released soon!
It's a bit of a mess right now @PopularDemand :-)
Everyone's loving our software and clamoring for new features in the beta, so that's why we're where we are
New features will go into 2.1, I'm not adding anything more to 2.0 except bugfixes or else 2.0.0 will never be finished, lol
 
hehe
 
2.0b4 fixes what I hope are the final front-end UI bugs, so the only remaining issues are with a backend output engine. so hopefully 2.0b5 will be the final beta and 2.0RC1 is right around the corner. Fingers crossed anyway :-)
This 2.0 release has been almost two years in the making
@radp Yes, this customer is very trustworthy and has signed an NDA :-)
 
I don't like it when I can't decide to close a question as NARQ or S&A. ):
 
6:08 PM
Dang man, I had to read "we're where we are" 3 times to be convinced that it was correct. lol
 
But no, I don't want to kill them. They're our largest client =o
 
Hello I'm back
 
23 hours ago, by Michael Mrozek
@rchern scares me
 
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Q: Web Apps with Great User Interfaces

stjowaAs a web developer, I like to reference other sites to get ideas. With that said, I would like to see other's recommendations for web applications that have a great user interface. And, it would be a bonus if it was followed by an explanation as to why. This would greatly help me in developing...

 
6:09 PM
I feel your pain...
 
'Ello
 
Which should I close as? (:
@Chacha102 erm?
 
@rchern Migrate to ui
 
can't
 
6:10 PM
@rchern Subj and Arg
 
Yeah I agree with @radp
 
@TheUnhandledException I definitely read that as "Migrate to unix" at first and immediately facepalmed.
 
@TimStone I am doing too many things at once :-)
 
Is there a way to ask a new question with some tags already filled-in via a URL parameter?
 
@TheUnhandledException Well, I don't think it's your responsibility to teach me to read :P
 
6:12 PM
@JanFabry What would be the use case?
 
@TimStone I had "ux" at first, I meant "ui" :-)
 
can a cssID have a hyphen? Does that hork things up?
 
Oh nice Firefox, 1.2 GB of memory.
 
We are trying to convince WordPress plugin authors to use the WordPress Stack Exchange as their support forum
 
I think there's a meta question about it. I'll search.
 
6:13 PM
But this would be easier if they can give a link that ensures a correct tag to start
 
I was going to request that exact feature, but figured it would get declined
 
Just going off the premise, another company tried to do that and they did it bad...
 
OK. As far as I am concerned 1.2.2 and 2.0b4 are ready for release. Sending them over to the testing team and sending myself out for lunch!
 
But, it seems like a good idea
 
Be back later...
 
6:13 PM
Right now there is no mechanism
 
I assume we can always add it with a site-specific Javascript
But an "official" mechanism will always be better of course
 
But I'm sure that you could either put up a feature request on meta.stackoverflow.com, or simply email team@stackoverflow.com
I'd probably first email the team and explain what you are trying to do
 
@rchern There is, where I believe Jeff said "Don't do that" or something
 
@Chacha102 Yes, but I first wanted to know whether it was already requested, but then I realized that I had no idea what to search for on meta
 
Wanted to link it for reference
 
6:15 PM
Looking :P
 
Oh:
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A: Can I have a link to the "ask as question" page with the tag field pre-filled?

Simon BrownThis can be done with the tags parameter: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/ask?tags=xforms

I can't believe that already exists and I didn't know about it, I wanted that for a while
 
hmm..
@JanFabry There is your answer
 
4
A: Allow prepopulating the tags field when linking to the Ask Question page

Jeff AtwoodOK, good idea, this is complete. You can specify default title and tags parameters to the /ask page like so: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/ask?title=foo&tags=tag1+tag2+tag3

 
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Q: Hyphens or underscores in CSS and HTML identifiers?

Török GáborAs both hyphen (-) and underscore (_) are valid characters in CSS and HTML identifiers, what are the advantages and disadvantages using one or the other? I prefer writing CSS class names with hyphens (e.g. field-text) and underscores for IDs (e.g. featured_content). Is there a best practice or it...

 
@MichaelMrozek Thank you so much for finding that
 
I guess it is tags instead of tag
 
@radp Oh, good, it was added recently; that makes me feel better
 
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A: Using stackoverflow as a "support forum" for a product or project

Jeff AtwoodI think this idea of using Stack Overflow as an official support forum is inside-out : the community has to adopt the project, find it of interest, and talk about it on Stack Overflow. Pushing to one particular destination from inside the project feels like forcing a fit for the community rather...

 
That got a ton of upvotes; apparently I should've proposed it after all
 
6:18 PM
@MichaelMrozek (I linked to it because it says you can also preset a title :))
 
I think there was something more recent than that though, hrm.
 
This is what I get for taking a break from Meta
 
Ah, right
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A: Should software vendors discourage StackOverflow questions from their developer community?

Jeff Atwood Since our product is not a "software tool commonly used by developers", I'm leaning towards not using StackOverflow for such questions and taking our discussions elsewhere. This is correct. I also answered here: I think this idea of using Stack Overflow as an official support forum is i...

(Essentially the same)
 
I miss crucial feature-requests that should have of been downvoted :P
 
should have (;
 
6:19 PM
Also upvoted instead of downvoted :). Common typo
 
@GeorgeMarian yeah tested, just wanted to confirm. Thanks
 
@drachenstern I wasn't sure, either. I had to go searching. :)
Personally, I prefer underscores to hyphens, since hyphens are typically rendered much narrower than underscores.
 
I do too, plus I'm used to C syntax where hyphen is NOT an identifying character
 
@rchern P.S.: It's your fault. I'm not sure what "it" is, but the WOB jsFiddle reloaded when I reopened Firefox, and that's what it tells me. :P
 
That's absurd.
Let's see
The wheel is so kind to me. (:
 
6:23 PM
Heheh
 
Hey, ask it who broke the Wheel of Blame.
 
...Somehow, @rchern again.
 
Ask the wheel to clarify what "it" is
 
@PopularDemand k, hang on.
 
@rchern No, that's not right, it's broken.
 
6:26 PM
wow, she's already got them precached and everything, how nice
 
I want to know who's responsible for the breaking.
 
@PopularDemand It is, I just spun it again and was told it was the server's fault.
 
@drachenstern Haha, no. I spun it and that's what it gave me!
 
Oh look, we had a collision.
 
lol, I'm just glad I'm not on there ;)
 
6:27 PM
But no catastrophic failure this time.
 
whew
 
I know, I'm certainly relieved.
 
@MichaelMrozek and @Chacha102 are already scared of me. A catastrophic failure would certainly not help me.
Though I could just blame it on you.
 
Hey, I wasn't the one who took down the entire chat the other day because someone couldn't repo their bug. ;)
 
Neither did I.
grumbles
 
6:33 PM
Ah, then the cause of that is still a mystery.
Have you been able to confirm that the fix with the vendor works in the wild by the way, or you still have to wait for them to actually implement the code snippet?
 
They have not responded.
 
Ah, lame. I imagine you're anxious to put that behind you, heh. :P
 
That would be lovely. Hehe.
 
...Wow. I just realized that the way I'm coding this class involves a major logic flaw, whoops.
Hrm..
 
Rut roh.
 
6:38 PM
Yeah...This configuration parser is evil.
 
oh joys, management fighting with a client, we have to lock our app down on their server ... I see obfuscated code forthcoming :(
 
That sounds exciting, what happened? (if you're free to say)
 
in The SO Tavern (General) on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Vojtech R.
It is powershell good enough to be ported to Unix?
I have no clue what happened
 
Hahah
Ah :/
 
boss walks in and says "connect to {client} and start locking down {xyz}"
apparently they'll go in and muck about with sprocs and such and really interfere with the LOB app ... who knows ...
 
6:44 PM
Heh, I see.
 
and now I can't VPN in, fun
 
Is the client located anywhere fun?
If so, I'm pretty sure your boss meant "fly and then stay for a vacation" when he/she said "connect".
 
"I need you to get on the first flight to Disney Land"
 
'zactly!
 
Codefail fixed...I think. Possible hooray!
 
6:57 PM
Possible congrats!
 
lol, that would be nice. No, I'm sure he meant VPN. Also, I think they're about 45 minutes up the road
maybe an hour
 
Potential thanks!
 
Potential you're welcome!
 
potential seconding of congrats
 
@drachenstern Ah, in that case you might have to roll out with the baseball bats
Hmm...31 of my 79 TODO/FIXMEs are in this single class, heh.
 
6:58 PM
ruh roh, sounds like time for a clean rewrite
 
Nah
I think most of them are placeholders for better error handling, so not a big deal.
 
oh, so then its time for an actual writing, instead of throw new NotImplementedException eh? Gotcha ;)
 
Those are easy to resolve. just remove throw new NotImplementedException and you're done!
 
The error handling is only important if something is wrong with the configuration, and the people who use this particular piece of software will very rarely even open the configuration, heh.
I want to collect all of the error messages possible so that I can provide the complete feedback instead of one item at a time, but it's hard to push that information up to where it needs to go at the moment since I haven't had much time to consider it. :P
 
we're just here for moral support, right @rchern ... you can count on us for obviousness anytime, I think.
The sky IS orange, right?
 
7:03 PM
@drachenstern I don't know about that, but I do know that these Welch's fruit snacks are amazingly delicious. And no, I don't care that I am the age that I am and am eating fruit snacks, because they're that good.
 
@drachenstern Not sure. But SO is 100% orange.
 
@TimStone I eat them because they've got lots of vitamins and minerals
as opposed to my lunch of 22% DRV sodium
 
@rchern Hahah, awesome
@drachenstern This was the same reasoning I used to buy the Gummyvites at Costco.
 
I think I should either win the lotto and buy Gordon Ramsey or the companies that mass produce this food should fire their photographers.
Cos my box looks NOTHING like my gruel
hehehe, gold green and red. I'm so classy
oh and feel free to vote me up so I can have at least 2 rep on SO ;)
 
oooooh was that a plea for upvotes? wanders off to downvote
 
7:12 PM
lmao
maybe
 
7:36 PM
does anyone else miss having a search box at the bottom of the current "normal" google results list?
 
7:57 PM
@drachenstern There's a bottom?
 
occasionally, when I'm not smart enough to tell Google what I want the first time
 
8:13 PM
Yargh.
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Q: Cast Shadows of BUildings help me crack it !!!

YudineHello..is it possible to calculate shadow areas of buildings or simulate shadows of buildings in a city, using the heights of these buildings and the sun angle and azimuth? the basic light tracing concept using trigonometry is known. But the Problem is how to find away to come up with the simulat...

Not much going on at work today... I do have time for a rollback war.
 
oh boy!
 
Hi
Like my new Avatar?
 
@Moshe It disappeared, heh.
Must still have the large one cached.
 
?
 
I saw it when you only had one message, but then you posted another message and chat made your avatar bigger.
When it got bigger, it reverted to the identicon.
I or the server must have it cached.
Yea/nay on the rollback war, kind Tavern folk?
 
8:17 PM
I vote nay, but I am but one humble man
 
What rollback war?
 
@PopularDemand Yes; I tend to ignore people's rollbacks if they revert to something patently awful
I'll roll it back myself if you don't want to do it
 
Oh, that. It's closed.
 
It can still be edited
 
which way are you rolling it, maybe you should?
 
8:18 PM
Just wanted a sanity check. I rolled it back.
 
Ohh, I asked 4 questions in a row on SO today. Wow. About separate topics too.
 
oh wait, the user is rolling YOU back? Oh hell no, let that war be on
way the hell on
 
Um, people...
 
they asked a CRAP question, formatted it poorly, they deserve to be both corrected and mocked, and then ignored, as the other answers have been already ;)
@Moshe pay no attention to me, I'm still a noob
level 4
 
@drachenstern huh? What's that about?
I am just thinking that perhaps that OP doesn't realize how rollbacks work.
If I was new and something rephrased my question, I would think the site fixed it for me.
 
8:23 PM
yarr, and he's rolled back twice
yes?
idk, fighting another fire atm
 
3:30 seems like a reasonable time to take a break for lunch. This project has too many moving parts.
 
Anyone here use VMware Server?
 
@TheUnhandledException Not really.
 
OK. Enjoy lunch then :-)
 
It's cooking.
 
8:35 PM
yum. my server might be about to do the same... ;-)
in General Chat on Server Fault Chat, 8 mins ago, by Josh
Hey everyone. Very quick VMware Server question: my VMware server is starting to get low on disk space. One VM has a file " vm_name .vmem" in it's directory which ls -l tells me was last modified in 2008. Is it safe to delete that? There's a second .vmem file which is all hex digits and was modified Sept 29th 2010 which is probably when this Vm was last powered on
 
In my experience, servers are 99.999993% less tasty than pizza.
2
 
@PopularDemand Likewise. The RAM gets too crunchy
 
@TheUnhandledException occasionally I do, what's up?
 
HAHAHA
Great timing @drachenstern
in General Chat on Server Fault Chat, 46 secs ago, by Josh
file removed, VM still functioning normally, sysadmin relieved :-)
I already removed the file in question
 
@TheUnhandledException, DON'T DO IT!!!!
ohhhhh...
ummmm....
(;
 
8:43 PM
damn you Rebecca!!!! (-;
 
(in all seriousness, I have no idea, I just couldn't resist)
 
I did it anyway, seemed to have no ill effects
but I do have 3.6 GB more now
 
yawns
 
@TimStone Sleepy? Or bored? ;-)
 
@TheUnhandledException I may have just woken up from a somewhat unexpected nap.
 
8:51 PM
ahhh
then again you may still be dreaming @Tim
 
...This is true, hmm.
 
or maybe that would be more like a nightmare: I'm trying to sleep but I'm stuck in The Meta StackOverflow Tavern Chat!!!! Ahhhhhhhh!
 
I blame the userscript extension I wrote for interfacing with the chat in my sleep so I'd never have to leave. Clearly that backfired horribly.
 
At the risk of exposing myself as a complete and total dork, shortly after I first joined chat a few months ago, I did actually have a dream about chatting in here. It was a very disturbing reminder that I have no life.
 
that's funny, I have this dream that I go sit in an office for like 10 hours a day five days a week ... it's horrid
 
8:59 PM
Heheh ;)
 

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