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12:04 AM
MS Bob is Microsoft's second biggest fail. The first one was edlin
 
> Edlin was created by Tim Paterson in two weeks in 1980, and was expected to have a six-month shelf life.
Huh...
 
lol
yay "tools that only I need to just get this done right now"!
 
Edlin is a line editor included with MS-DOS and later Microsoft operating systems. It provides rudimentary capabilities for editing plain text files through a command-driven interface. Line numbers are specified using numerals, and operations are specified using single-character alphabetic commands (e.g. "5d" instructs the program to delete the 5th line of the file). It was the only text editor provided with MS-DOS before version 5.0 of that system, when it was superseded by the full screen MS-DOS Editor. It was removed in version 6. However, Edlin is included in 32-bit versions of Win...
 
@TimPost Well, it can't be worse than notepad, can it...?
 
@YiJiang Yes, it can.
Much like the UNIX 'ed' - somehow it just lingered, like the smell of sulpher after you strike a match
@YiJiang If you have an XP system laying around, fire up a command prompt and type 'edlin foo.txt'.
 
12:35 AM
@TimPost I've used edlin. It was marginally easier than copy con file.txt - therefore, it had utility. I'm really not sure that Bob served a purpose...
 
12:47 AM
@Shog9 I think Bob's purpose was more romantic. I believe Bill Gates put his (then) bride to be in charge of it
 
Oh, good point...
Well, I gotta concede - business time beats text-file creation when it comes to software utility.
 
My room mate worked at the (now defunct) Computer City. He brought home a life size 'bob' which enjoyed being the target of many things while hanging on our wall
Darts .. eggs on occasion ...
 
1:06 AM
holy crap I must be the only dev here who can write VB6 code through javascript and all on track, I just can't be tunnel vision on a single project for six months ...
 
1:21 AM
My coworker decided he needed to catch a textbox onkeyup so he could call a javascript function to get his updatepanel to fire so that he could rebind the rows in a zebrastriped panel below the textbox.
 
I just love the errors my phone gives me "Error 2a:0x00 - Unknown Error"
(I closed they keyboard)
 
1:45 AM
Jon Skeet!
5
A: StackExchange™ SuperCollider Freehand Circle™ Editor

Popular DemandHere's a sandbox. Go nuts, you crazy kids.

 
2:11 AM
He's unsuspended, sigh... Help vampire alert
 
 
2 hours later…
4:21 AM
I have come to realize tonight, when editing a file in a text editor to send it back to a colleague who doesn't understand stateless system design, that I left three typos in the file, that my IDE would've caught. I have come to realize that I rely too much on my IDE.
Of course, the fact that I completely ripped his code apart and reassembled it by hand in a notepad editor makes me rather happy that I only had 3 typos.
But I should've done better.
No, of course the bar isn't set too high.
 
5:16 AM
11
A: Origin of the word "cum"

CerberusSuch nonsense! It means "together with" and is actually a Latin preposition with the same meaning as in English. Oh you mean...

 
6:07 AM
@YiJiang what was the reason for the reposting of the post?
 
Damn. Hate when I answer a simple question and then comment that actually they forgot to mention something...and it just makes me go "oh, crap" heh.
 
yeah that does suck
 
@drachenstern It's... a little funny. Well, you'd have to click through to see why...
@RebeccaChernoff Wouldn't be so easy otherwise, eh? :P
 
Details details.
Go get some rep, I don't wanna think that much! stackoverflow.com/questions/5202005/…
 
I saw it when it first got answered, including that answer and the accepted ones
 
6:16 AM
I forgot to specify that I'd like some pie now.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Somehow I didn't expect it to be a SO question. :P
 
@MichaelPetrotta I happen to have some pie right now :P
 
lol @TimStone
 
@YiJiang: damn you, I have nothing sweet in my house right now.
 
6:17 AM
@TimStone What, from the comment that she doesn't want to think so much? When did answering questions on SO require thinking?
@MichaelPetrotta It's not a desert pie, it's a chicken pie
 
Look, here's the thing. You cna't solve problems like this as easily with RegEx as you can with native string parsing. He's also omitting the case where (assuming I understand a requirement) two "opening quotes" appear before a single closing quote.
This is the neighborhood of full on grammar parsers, not regexes
 
I believe that would fall into the category of "requiring thought"
 
-1 for not enough jQuery, by the way.
 
rolls her eyes
 
@RebeccaChernoff :stares: Lies! Answering question on SO never requires thinking! Nick Craver proves this conclusively!
 
6:20 AM
heh
 
It would fall into the category of "needs more/better requirements" that obviously the coder in question hasn't got the capacity to provide, because anytime you define a problem by going "oh I forgot to mention" once you have a solution, you're not writing code, you're programming by debugging results.
 
I mean, come on... from his profile:
> Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about, all my answers are guesses!
 
haha, yeah, his comments are definitely saying "running fast and far away from here"
 
6:36 AM
yeah, that's what I said to begin with
I should really start putting this stuff as answers on questions
Instead I let Joel beat me to it
 
I told you to go get rep!
 
lmao
I would've gotten downvoted wouldn't I? ;)
 
I can't, for the life of me, spell 'rhythm' correctly. Grrr...
 
It had been almost almost 4 months since I've answered a question on SO. o:
 
tsk tsk
 
6:38 AM
So I beat @Moshe's untested $0 case. That took some time. At least 15 or 30 games.I now know at least four ways that his code is "broken" ;) ~ However I think we're starting to show him how testing works
 
@TimStone hrmph
All my rep went here.
 
@RebeccaChernoff And that's old because you have an advantage over us!
 
Oh, nice. I clicked the link and got a Good Answer badge, that was a pleasant surprise.
 
@TimStone frantically clicks that link Awww....
 
heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy guess what ad loaded on the hompage for me when I refreshed ^__^
 
6:41 AM
@RebeccaChernoff The one I built? :P
 
\o/
@RebeccaChernoff Heh, I've been doing much better on Meta than SO recently too.
 
@TimStone I think I'm still filling up my quota of free daily reps on SO
 
I'll probably get around to answering some of these questions over the weekend so that the reps can come trickling in. :P
 
Oh, and that silver badge finally arrived this morning. The courier got lost, apparently. Hrump...
 
6:45 AM
@YiJiang nice
Ok rchern you're doing a good job of letting me win, and I apprecaite it. Can we keep up the charade for a little longer (to the end of the game would be good) ;)
 
rut roh
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Q: the user signature box drifting into the tag info box

LazerHere is a screenshot: Using Chrome 11 Google Chrome 11.0.672.2 (Official Build 75134) WebKit 534.20 (trunk@78450) V8 3.1.4 User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.20 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/11.0.672.2 Safari/534.20

 
It really would be a pleasant fantasy
 
oh wait, never mind. that isn't SEMod.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Yeah, it's this one heheh :P
 
Hrump... I ran out of close votes 5 hours into the GMT day. Is there a place I can top up?
 
6:51 AM
Of course, Jeff immediately jumped to the "no beta browsers" excuse anyway.
Though to be fair, Chrome 11 has screwed up something big time with the last two updates.
 
speaking of winning, I really need to be @TimStone soon
 
3
Q: Question about prototypal inheritance need to be disambiguated from questions about the Prototype JavaScript library

Yi JiangIt's really annoying that a major JavaScript library decided to name itself after a language feature (imagine the confusion if there was a library called 'Array' or 'Strings'...) but that we have to work with now. The problem is that there are a large number of questions about prototypical inhe...

 
Being me is a win? Very nice. makes a note
 
@TimStone You are huge success!
 
@Tim #WINNING
 
6:53 AM
\o/
 
lmao, this is what I get for going back to testing apps
So long as you're bi-winning I guess you're ok
 
Anybody on stable Chrome?
 
@RebeccaChernoff I think I might be, lemme check
 
@Rebecca yes indeed.
 
Nope, beta channel here
 
7:01 AM
@MichaelPetrotta mind repro'ing something for me? Start composing a post (new answer, new question, edit existing post, whatever), after you've typed a bit, select a partial line of text in the preview below (without clicking in between so that the body input is still selected when you start to highlight). Highlight just part of a single line, don't do multi-line, stop selecting: does the text stay highlighted?
 
okie dokie
 
Original bug report has this happening in Firefox, I see it in Chrome dev, so just want to make sure before I edit to say it isn't just Firefox.
 
@RebeccaChernoff The script thingy pushing the infobox to the right on English, I don't see it on Firefox with SEMod.js
Doesn't SEMod.js do the same thing?
 
learns to read
But it does happen in Firefox.
 
@RebeccaChernoff errr - I can't read - I can repro indeed
 
7:03 AM
@RebeccaChernoff Hmmm, which version of Firefox?
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "without clicking in between so that the body input is still selected when you start to highlight", but when I select a partial line in the preview as you describe, the selection stays selected.
 
..............
STOP CHANGING YOUR MIND PEOPLE
 
Selecting the textbox is not selecting the div below the textbox
 
Chrome 9.0.597.107
 
Did @TimStone just switch from repro to no-repro, and @drachenstern went the other way?
 
7:04 AM
@RebeccaChernoff perhaps
 
@RebeccaChernoff No, I'm saying I had that problem all the time in Firefox, but you wanted to know if people could repro in Chrome.
 
@RebeccaChernoff I repro
 
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Q: Unselectable text in question body preview on the ask page

Oak Ask a new question. Try to select the text which appears in the preview box. The selection should disappear and the "how to format" box should blink. It happens to me on SO, meta.SO and gaming with Firefox 3.6.14 on Windows 7. However it isn't 100% reproducible for me. Seems to occur most ofte...

that's the post I'm trying to edit and clean up
 
Oh, I know that one
 
So...does behavior occur in Chrome stable? (:
 
7:06 AM
It isn't a bug; there's a click event handler attached to the #wmd-preview element that auto-focuses the #wmd-input element on click
 
@RebeccaChernoff Yes
 
For some reason, I have no idea why. I should've asked on Meta long time ago; it's hugely annoying behavior
 
However, if I select a section of text in the textbox, and then select a partial line in the preview and release, the textbox text regains its selection, and the preview text loses its selection. Not sure if that's what you were going for.
 
@YiJiang Yeah, I just stopped trying to copy things from the preview box and ignored it, heh.
 
@Rebecca I can repro the behavior described in that bug report, in Chrome stable.
 
7:08 AM
I distinctly remember one time it got so annoying that I actually went into Firebug and deleted the event handler so that I can select some of the text from the preview area
 
but only with a selection that doesn't extend past a single line
 
@TimStone "GANG"? Seriously?
 
WwF
of course
You couldn't do better than GANG?
 
...No.
 
7:11 AM
I'll give you a freebie DW
 
Edited. Hopefully it is clearer now.
 
@RebeccaChernoff "and on Windows XP"
 
@drachenstern: accept only if you want. That's me.
 
@MichaelPetrotta I misunderstand
 
WwF. I see only one drachenstern, may not be you.
 
7:15 AM
Ah, I hadn't gone back out to the menu, was waiting on Tim to play
 
7:25 AM
Not cool Tim :p
either that or brilliant play
 
Heh :P
 
well it's really hard to win four games at the same time when you play moves like that :p
So is it really hard to understand stateless system design?
Well I'm not sure about you people who nap during the day, but ... yeah.. G'night
 
8:08 AM
oh. my. god. this computer is swapping itself to death. the hard drive is so loud. i just got dropped from starcraft 2 multiplayer :(
3GB of RAM is not enough
 
Ouch, that sucks. :(
 
need more hamster power!
 
I have a desktop with 8GB of RAM and a better video card upstairs, but it's so cozy on this sofa.
 
I've got 6GB in my laptop, I think there was a free upgrade from the 4GB price when I bought it.
 
Sigh... looks at the 2GB this computer has
 
8:40 AM
double triple oy
16 hours ago, by balpha
everybody in favor of @TheOutOfStarsException doing daily tavern digests raise your hand
This reaches 16 stars soon!!! So Josh The Renamed OutOfStars Exception will be renamed to EverybodyInFavorOf :P
 
@Nyuszika7H Wrong room dude...
 
ChatExtension.define('status', function (message) {
        jQuery.post('/users/usermessage/' + $('#active-user').data('user'), {
            'fkey': fkey().fkey,
            'message': arguments.join(' ')
        });
    });
@YiJiang Any ideas why doesn't this work?
arguments.join(' ') is needed because chat commands' arguments are separated by spaces
 
@Nyuszika7H arguments is not an array
 
@TimStone did your laptop have a 32 bit CPU? :P
 
@YiJiang ah right, then I have to do jQuery.makeArray(arguments)
 
8:45 AM
@badpssockpuppet That would just be silly. :P
 
at any rate the laptop I'm on life support upon has 1 GB of RAM
...and I can't swap
 
I hate that I can't update userscripts normally in Chrome… I have to uninstall the previous version every time :/
 
patpats @badpssockpuppet
My netbook has 2GB :(
 
@TimStone ... which is the amount my desktop has
 
And why this shows up as an error in my console? POST ... 200 (OK)
 
8:47 AM
Flash crashed a dozen times yesterday night, but at least no more seconds long freezes due to attempts to swap on a USB device
 
Adobe AIR can also play Flash? I've recently installed maxDamage2. Though the context menu isn't Flash's one… maybe it's just ported to AIR :)
 
@badpssockpuppet Oh, wow...
 
9:22 AM
It's not often that we encourage you to stop using one of our products, but for #IE6, we'll make an exception: http://bit.ly/g0wt4m
This is all good and well, except...
seriously?
 
Anyone know how to get SIP working with a nokia E-5?
 
@badpssockpuppet What are you using? :P
 
@badpssockpuppet Eh, what's wrong with the banner? It's a little ugly, but not too bad
 
@TimStone Chromium 11 :P
@YiJiang 1) It's bad karma to fake browser elements in-page 2) Most IE6 users don't have a choice anyway 3) IE6 users will never fall for it unless it looks like a fake dialogue saying they've got mail
 
@badpssockpuppet Hey, it could be worse. A lot worse. There was another campaign like this that actually fakes the ActiveX security warning telling users to upgrade
This one at least doesn't look at all like part of the browser chrome
 
9:34 AM
That's true.
 
9:49 AM
@badpssockpuppet I wonder if Microsoft is still happy if webmasters make a tiny change to the HTML on ie6countdown.com/join-us.html before putting it on their page
<!--[if lt IE 7]>
<div style=' clear: both; height: 59px; padding:0 0 0 15px; position: relative;'>
    <a href="http://www.google.com/chrome">
        <img src="http://www.theie6countdown.com/images/upgrade.jpg" border="0" height="42" width="820" alt="" />
    </a>
</div>
<![endif]-->
 
Heheh :D
 
@balpha You'd make a better impression
The original link leads me to a page looking like this:
 
really?
it takes me to the IE9 page
 
imgur is incredibly slow for me
I still can't see @badpssockpuppet's image there
 
@balpha It recognized I'm on Ubuntu.
 
9:54 AM
ah, right. It's lying though; IE runs in WINE :)
 
So I got an IE9 ad on a IE9 page claiming I can't get IE8, so I must buy a new computer. (The "sidebar" fail is a nice touch.)
 
@balpha Well, IE6 runs on Wine
 
Luckily I can still 'like' Internet Explorer.
 
Anyway, if you're not going to change the click event handler on #wmd-preview then I think I'm going to add that unbind line into SEMod.js
 
oh, I'm changing that
who said I wasn't?
 
9:58 AM
Well, Jeff called it a feature
 
no, he didn't
 
waves in @balpha's direction I posted a related code-snippet on that question, as a FYI :P
 
@TimStone Stop doing the teams work for them, or at least ask for wages!
> @balpha this is to help users that click on the preview thinking it is editable, so we reset their focus to the actual editor
I presume he means that it's a 'feature'?
 
@YiJiang I don't see a "we don't want people to select text" in there.
 
Ah, right.
 
10:01 AM
I know Jeff sometimes makes unpopular decisions (usually for good reasons), but you should be fair enough not to put words in his mouth
 
@balpha Well no, it's just that I see this as "either bind auto-focus handler to lessen people's confusion, or don't" decision
 
FWIW, while I'm in there, I'd like cause a click to not only focus the editor, but also but the cursor in the proximity of the markdown source of the thing you clicked
 
I was thinking that'd be nice too, but I'll leave that heavy lifting to you ;)
Oh look, it's apparently five in the morning...hrm.
1
A: How to name the import / export packages in Java?

s.roesnerWrite separate importer/exporter for this Hope this will help!

Heh, I was on /review and was like "How the hell is that the accepted answer?"
 
10:17 AM
 
Wow, where is that?
 
I don't see anything wrong on that image. Oh, the circle is not freehand!
 
Oh dear. How not to clean a window: http://bit.ly/e9YXJv (via @reddit)
 
@TimStone Has happened more than once in Singapore
 
lololololololol
got it
 
10:20 AM
@YiJiang I was going to say, when it comes to being insanely causal on the side of tall buildings, Asians win. :P
 
@TimStone To be fair, it's not a particularly funny issue; the ones doing the cleaning are usually foreign maids, and their owners have gone to jail over these incidents before
 
I was thinking more with respect to construction, actually. But yeah, what you're describing is messed up. :/
 
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/03/steve-jobs-reality-distortion-takes-its-toll-on-truth/
 
@Nyuszika7H The comment section makes for a much more entertaining read
I can't believe there are that many Apple apologists
 
> There is no product like the iPad. There is no product that can do EVERYTHING it can with the PERFORMANCE it has. Period.
GIVE ME MAH KOOLAID
> In Volume, yes it is subjective, but let's talk by the end of April and that subjective view will be fact. I don't plan of buy one, but I have heard of a huge number of people at my work who are planning to be in line next Friday to turn that from subjective to factual!
I don't even have words to properly describe what the hell is going on in those two short lines, but it is certainly ridiculous.
 
10:31 AM
> For Tablets, it's not about Specs. It's about the User Experience. Yes, It's a long way off from what you're used to, but let's do the math and display the slide that you effectively decided not to show: iPad Apps >65000. Honeycomb Apps = 100.
"yeah, that's actually the real point here, usabil--- wait a second, how the fuck is number of apps relevant?"
:|
 
It almost makes me ashamed that I have an iPhone. :(
 
> Also, I'm not sure when you were a kid, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't called "lieing." At least when I was a kid it was called "lying." If you had written your post from a quality tablet such as an iPad, it would have auto-corrected for you.
 
@badpssockpuppet I wonder why doesn't your name cut off like others, e.g. rchern?
 
@Nyuszika7H How wide is your screen?
 
@YiJiang 1366x768 and 17" if I remember correctly
 
10:40 AM
@Nyuszika7H His name is cut off for me on my 1440 wide screen
 
@YiJiang In which browser? It's cut off in CR11, but not in FF4.
 
@Nyuszika7H Firefox 3.6 I think, can't remember which engine Prism 1.0b4 runs
 
@Nyuszika7H no repro
 
10:43 AM
status-completed
Now it's OK.
 
It's some kind of world final or something.
 
 
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12:03 PM
> My question is confusing. Try reading it again or reading the comments i made on the other two answers....
Then why not make it not confusing!? :|
 
12:14 PM
@YiJiang I do have trouble understanding why the language allows something to be both true and false.
 
 
2 hours later…
2:00 PM
sigh
@balpha While you're working on the editor, can you make it so that all parentheses, like ( ) [ ] etc. (or really all characters that are illegal in a URL line), get automatically escaped?
 
Oh, that kind of reminded me; I spotted a bug in the editor preview today
If you use do [tag:tag] [link][1], the link won't be displayed properly; adding an extra space behind [tag:tag] solves this
Not sure what happens if you actually submits the thing, but that's what happens in the preview
 
...oh
turns out this is perfectly legit markdown
except the preview chokes on it.
I guess I'll post a bug about it.
 
 
1 hour later…
maybe they should have offered something with Android on it ;)
 
3:50 PM
from a user script, what would be the easiest way to detect a new chat message?
I'm looking at using DOMSubtreeModified with the #chat div but it fires many times for each new message, and a different amount of times in different browsers...
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann You can check document.title
 
Hi! :)
 
@YiJiang huh? How would that work?
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann Have you tried ajaxComplete?
 
@Nyuszika7H no, I have not... will look into that
 
3:53 PM
@KlausByskovHoffmann The title of the page updates every time a new message comes in
@Nyuszika7H Too many calls
 
if (document.title.match(/^\(\d+\*?\)) {
    // new message
}
 
@YiJiang does it change even though the same user posts a message twice?
 
You need to put it in a setInterval block.
@KlausByskovHoffmann It isn't possible to post the same message twice now.
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann It does, yes, though it requires that the user doesn't have the chat tab focused
Alternatively, check DOMNodeInserted instead of DOMSubtreeModified
 
ok, thanks for the tips to both of you :-)
 
3:55 PM
Filter for .message elements
 
@YiJiang yeah, I'm thinking of doing something like that...
 
4:10 PM
@KlausByskovHoffmann check this:
Feb 21 at 19:33, by balpha
@TheRenamedException attach a handler to the onStorage event and check localStorage.getItem("chat:broadcastQueue")
 
@balpha interesting... thanks
 
@balpha Hey, how did I miss that :P
 
ohhh are we reverse engineering balpha's code again? (:
4
 
engineering gnireenigne
 
4:26 PM
yawns G'morning
 
:|
in Rename TheRenamedException, Feb 7 at 14:54, by The Renamed Exception
@RebeccaChernoff UPDATE users SET name="(-:" WHERE id=131541 ?
@TheOutOfStarsException No, that doesn't work. :/ First, it's DisplayName. Second, it says invalid column name '(-:'
 
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