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The OutOfStars Exception

5:01 PM

@KlausByskovHoffmann I have a class already set up for that...

ThirdPlace.observe('newMessage',function(event){ /* do something with message here */});

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@TheOutOfStarsException cool... can I use it?

The OutOfStars Exception

If you're interested

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@TheOutOfStarsException most definitely interested

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@KlausByskovHoffmann Sure. It's a early alpha still but it works, I use it for the status script

in Status Script Discussion, Feb 28 at 15:15, by The Renamed Exception

SE Chat status script now available via Subversion. Anyone who wants write access, just ask me for a username.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

I couldn't get the storage change event handler to fire, so I'm looking at an implementation that uses DOMNodeInserted, but if you already have a class, I could just aswell use that

The OutOfStars Exception

5:04 PM

@KlausByskovHoffmann You'll want this file

Specifically the ThirdPlace namespace

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@TheOutOfStarsException excellent, thanks!

The OutOfStars Exception

There's classes for common chat objects: ThirdPlace.user, ThirdPlace.message, ThirdPlace.room

@KlausByskovHoffmann Sure. I will be continuing to develop it, so stay tunes for updates

Actually had plans to work on it some this weekend

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

perfect... I'll have a look at it (I'm a bit of a javascript noob)

I'll stay tuned for any updates :-)

The OutOfStars Exception

@KlausByskovHoffmann Ping me in here or the status script room if you have questions, code is poorly commented at present, I'll work on that

@KlausByskovHoffmann I have seen issues with this when you have multiple tabs open; one tab will not fire events but the other tabs will

I will fix that hopefully today

@Nyuszika7H You misunderstood my jokeSQL. I was trying to have my name set to '(-:'

not set the column name to (-:

Nyuszika7H

@TheOutOfStarsException I know :P

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

5:08 PM

@TheOutOfStarsException cool, thanks

The OutOfStars Exception

@Nyuszika7H OK. Just making sure. I must make sure everyone understands my jokes for maximum laughability content. ;-)

@KlausByskovHoffmann Here's a more complete example, taken from that status script:

ThirdPlace.observe('newMessage',function(event)
	{
		if(event.message.room_id == statusControlRoomId)
		{
			var userId = event.message.user_id;

			var msgWords = event.message.content.split(' ');

			msgWords.shift();

			var statusType = myStatusTypes.indexOf(msgWords[0]);

			myUserStatuses['u'+userId] = {'type': statusType, 'msg': msgWords.join(' ')};

			console.log('Status change for user:',userId,event.message.user().name);

			myRefreshUserStatus(userId);
		}
	}

So when a new message is posted that function gets called and gets passed a ThirdPlace.Event.newMessage object

that object has a property message which represents the new message posted. That message object has a room_id property which contains the room ID, and a content property which contains the content of the message

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@TheOutOfStarsException cool, that's just what I need!

yup, I get it :-)

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it also has a user() function which returns a ThirdPlace.User object, which has properties for the user

@KlausByskovHoffmann Cool. Just making sure because now that I opened the file, I realized "poorly commented" is an understatement, LOL

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

I only need event.messge.content at the moment

The OutOfStars Exception

(@balpha how's that for reverse engineering? ;-)

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

5:15 PM

@TheOutOfStarsException hehe :-)

balpha

@TheOutOfStarsException one 100% breaking API change coming up as ordered :)

The OutOfStars Exception

@KlausByskovHoffmann perfect. I'll ping you when I update ThirdPlace. When I fix some bugs and comment it, I'll be posting t on StackApps

Tim Stone

Hahahah :P

The OutOfStars Exception

@balpha so war it is then? ;-)

LET THE API CHANGE WAR BEGIN!

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

Excellent... Will you post the framework and the statusscript as two individual things?

The OutOfStars Exception

5:16 PM

@KlausByskovHoffmann absolutely

Tim Stone

Hm, I better get on balpha's good side so I can be aware of these updates in advance now that Josh is causing trouble. ;)

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@TheOutOfStarsException cool

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so change away @balpha, all you'll do is distract me from town hall/tavern digests ;-)

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@TheOutOfStarsException but for now, I'll just copy/paste the parts of the script I need. Then when you post the framework seperately I'll link to that (provided I get some pointers on how to do that).

balpha

@TheOutOfStarsException that's @RebeccaChernoff's problem, not mine :)

strict separation of concerns

Rebecca Chernoff

5:19 PM

|:

The OutOfStars Exception

@KlausByskovHoffmann Yes, the ThirdPlace object is meant to be pasted into a script which requires it

Rebecca Chernoff

We're in a bit of an election break right now anyway (;

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@TheOutOfStarsException ok, excellent... Just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was trying to "steal" your intellectual property :-)

The OutOfStars Exception

@balpha you're saying I am a problem for @Rebecca? I don't think anyone here would call this news ;-)

Rebecca Chernoff

heh

The man's got a point. q:

Yi Jiang

5:20 PM

@RebeccaChernoff Election break? Cool! Goes to get some coffee and biscuits

The OutOfStars Exception

@KlausByskovHoffmann haha no way, I haven't decided on an official licence but this is all open, meant to give back to the community

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@TheOutOfStarsException perfect :-)

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Oh good, maybe I can finally get that script done now.

The OutOfStars Exception

@RebeccaChernoff funny how @TimStone managed to promise some magical unicornscript right up until after the election season ended ;-)

Rebecca Chernoff

ironic indeed!

Yi Jiang

5:22 PM

@TheOutOfStarsException He should do it before SO's election began, then he'd be magically voted into office :P

Tim Stone

Hey, not my fault I'm a busy person! ;)

I blame @RebeccaChernoff for being too efficient.

Rebecca Chernoff

that doesn't seem cool ):

The OutOfStars Exception

@TimStone I'm kidding, I was able to handle Unix's THC easily, and you did most of Apple's for me, so...

(You did see Unix's THCD posed right @RebeccaChernoff?)

Rebecca Chernoff

yes (:

Tim Stone

Hahah, I know, I know. :P

The OutOfStars Exception

5:25 PM

@RebeccaChernoff good, just making sure (:

Nyuszika7H

@RebeccaChernoff Can you write normal smilies? :)

Rebecca Chernoff

I do. Every time.

The OutOfStars Exception

OK time for lunch for me. @balpha I expect to see chat's code completely redesigned when I return, so that not only the ThirdPlace system but XMPP are both completely broken and require near-complete rewrites. :-)

Tim Stone

@Nyuszika7H We have no idea what you're talking about (:

The OutOfStars Exception

@Nyuszika7H Don't go there... backwardsmile.info

Rebecca Chernoff

5:27 PM

@TheOutOfStarsException oh dear gawd, don't tempt him

balpha

@TheOutOfStarsException consider it done!

Tim Stone

@TheOutOfStarsException I conveniently have the benefit of an "inside" person to notify me of all changes. :D

Nyuszika7H

@TheOutOfStarsException LOL

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@RebeccaChernoff why? poking at the SOIS team is my new favorite hobby :-)

Nyuszika7H

Rebecca Chernoff

5:29 PM

@TheOutOfStarsException your coffin q:

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@TimStone by this you mean, you don't harass Beckers until she wants you ~~permabanned~~ dead? o=

Tim Stone

My response to that is: I'm not sure who this "Beckers" person is.

The OutOfStars Exception

@TimStone you're a smarter man than I, clearly ;-)

OK I'm off to get lunch. And after all that was said I will be avoiding my kitchen...

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

5:50 PM

@TheOutOfStarsException what browsers are you using to test? I have everything working perfectly in FF but I'm seeing a lot of uncaught exceptions in chrome and safari

mootinator

My status script isn't working :O

How will everyone know I'm away WINNING now.

Nyuszika7H

@mootinator YOUR status script?

mootinator

Yes. I'm assuming @TheOutOfStarsException did such an excellent job on the script that the problem is only affecting mine.

Due to demons, or some other error.

Tim Stone

Or maybe the script just automatically assumes you're WINNING and decides there's nothing to do.

mootinator

Ah, all better.

Ólafur Waage

6:02 PM

Hey

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@KlausByskovHoffmann have not tested in Safari. I developed/tested using Firefox and am using the script myself in Chrome. (I almost always chat using Chrome, and develop using my sockpuppet in Firefox)

Ólafur Waage

So LRU, FIFO and Optimal walk into a bar. The bartender says. "What can I get you two?"

The OutOfStars Exception

@KlausByskovHoffmann and @mootinator please post errors to The status script room

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/365/status-script-discussion

I will review and correct them later

mootinator

Wasn't so much an error as the chat userscript decided /status wasn't a real command again.

The OutOfStars Exception

@mootinator I do see your "available - WINNING" message, but I do not see your gravatar colored border, so I assume it is a known bug:

1 hour ago, by The OutOfStars Exception

@KlausByskovHoffmann I have seen issues with this when you have multiple tabs open; one tab will not fire events but the other tabs will

@mootinator oh. OK. @TimStone told me how to fix that; I will work on that also

Now I see the red border @mootinator

mootinator

6:13 PM

Just one tab. Nifty.

The OutOfStars Exception

@mootinator just one tab will not work

I believe I know why

mootinator

Ahh.

The OutOfStars Exception

OK going AFK again, will update status script when I return @mootinator and @KlausByskovHoffmann!

mootinator

Well, I'm off for a bit.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

6:42 PM

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Q: Chat: audible unicorns

When someone starts talking about unicorns you definitely want in on the action. You can now make sure to never miss another interesting chat about these fabled creatures by getting a special audible alert whenever anyone mentions the word unicorn. Simply install this user script and never miss ...

mootinator

unicorns

Owait

There's a sandbox for that.

Nyuszika7H

I love unicorns.

(sound not playing – are you using Flash?)

mootinator

cries

Nyuszika7H

hmm, unicorns

mootinator

@Nyuszika7H Do unicorns poop rainbows?

Ólafur Waage

6:46 PM

Please use quicktime for this, so whenever someone says unicorns it grinds my computer to a halt.

Nyuszika7H

@ÓlafurWaage LOL

mootinator

XD

Ólafur Waage

Happens in facebook, when someone messages me for the first time, my browser stops for about 15 seconds while it dynamically loads the virus that is quicktime.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

Did anyone try the unicorn script with success?

mootinator

Sadly, no.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

6:53 PM

@mootinator which browser?

mootinator

As far as I know unicorns don't make sound though. Does it make unicorn sounds?

Chrome.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

ok, thanks

mootinator

sec

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@mootinator it basically plays this sound: asinex.es/asinex/static/unicorn.mp3

It works for me in chrome

Nyuszika7H

Unicorns???

(no it's just an internet radio I'm listening to)

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

7:05 PM

Damn, I'm not sure it works with uppercase unicorns

which is something that I'll fix right away

yay! :-)

Nyuszika7H

does it work for you?

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

yes

Nyuszika7H

Not for me :/

> (309) Uncaught ReferenceError: queueObj is not defined

Uh, that's a large number of errors.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

it uses the ThirdPlace framework, and @TheOutOfStarsException has told me there is a bug when you have more than one chat tab open, and that he'll fix that soon

Nyuszika7H

oh yes I have the SO chat open, too

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Q: Animations with vanilla JS

I've used jQuery for a long time, and now I'm going to do some animations with vanilla JS. Here's my code so far: var box = document.getElementById('box'), a1end, a2end, cdend, a3end, a4end, animate1 = setInterval(function() { if (box.style.top === (window.innerHe...

javascript

I'm going to do some vanilla ;)

balpha

7:08 PM

@YiJiang we need your stick to poke @TheOutOfStarsException this time

Tim Stone

Good ol' Stick of Blame.

Nyuszika7H

@TimStone stick? :P

Tim Stone

Yes, once we've assigned blame, it's important to jab the person responsible.

Otherwise how will they ever learn?

Nyuszika7H

Hahahaha!

@TheOutOfStarsException It's your fault!

unicorns, how do I love them…

still nothing

I like unicorns

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@Nyuszika7H thanks :-)

Nyuszika7H

7:13 PM

not working for me :(

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@Nyuszika7H I'm sorry to hear

I blame @RebeccaChernoff

Nyuszika7H

Next spin shows it's rchern's fault… oy!

mootinator

I was born a unicorn..

Nyuszika7H

So anyone wants to review my code? (it's vanilla JS!)

mootinator

I missed the ark but I could've sworn you'd wait for me.

Nyuszika7H

7:16 PM

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Q: Animations with vanilla JS

I've used jQuery for a long time, and now I'm going to do some animations with vanilla JS. Here's my code so far: var box = document.getElementById('box'), a1end, a2end, cdend, a3end, a4end, animate1 = setInterval(function() { if (box.style.top === (window.innerHe...

javascript

Ólafur Waage

7:29 PM

@Nyuszika7H;)

Rebecca Chernoff

7:49 PM

@KlausByskovHoffmann |:

Tim Stone

He's learning quickly ;)

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@RebeccaChernoff (:

Nyuszika7H

:)

How did I earn 2 rep on Code Review?

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

I mean, how good can code be if it's written by someone who is not completely covered in stickers?

Nyuszika7H

@KlausByskovHoffmann LOL

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

7:56 PM

@Nyuszika7H you probably got the rep from trying out the unicorn script. It has a hidden feature that gives you 2 rep on a random stack site

Nyuszika7H

@KlausByskovHoffmann ORLY?

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@Nyuszika7H pffft, I wish ;-)

Nyuszika7H

UPDATE Users SET Reputation += 2 WHERE DisplayName = "..."

I'm not familiar with SQL, so this might be wrong.

Tim Stone

@Nyuszika7H You had a suggested edit that was approved.

Nyuszika7H

@TimStone :)

I wish I could use single quotes inside single quotes:

echo 'it's nice';

Though it couldn't really work, because what would this do?

echo 'foo'; echo 'bar';

It could either echo:

'foobar'

Or:

'foo'; echo 'bar'

Though if I remember correctly, in SQL you can do that if you start the string with three apostrophes.

It's a bit confusing that you end it with only one…

'''it's nice'

And that's another reason why you shouldn't parse complex HTML with regex.

1. Non-greedy

String:

<img src='http://dummyimage.com/100x100.png&amp;text=<p>'>

Pattern:

/\<img src='(.*?)'\s?\/?\>/

or

/\<img src='[^>]'\s?\/?\>/

Matches:

'<img src='http://dummyimage.com/100x100.png&text=<p>'

And if you do a greedy match, well, it gets too long, you know what happens.

Though you could avoid this with using <p> instead of <p>. That's for HTML. But you could have issues with other strings.

badp's sockpuppet

8:40 PM

Suggestion for the site SE modifications: disable all 'add comment' buttons for 15 seconds after you click on any.

Bonus points for only doing so if the comment actually is posted.

Rebecca Chernoff

@KlausByskovHoffmann, you posted your script on both StackApps and MSO?

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

No, the MSO "discussion" links to stackapps

Rebecca Chernoff

that seems like quite the technicality.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@RebeccaChernoff ok, I'm not sure I understand what your point is. Have I done something wrong, and do you want me to fix it?

Rebecca Chernoff

why the additional post?

I'm picturing this like someone from SO going to MSO "hey guys I posted a question on SO, I need help, so I'll post on this other site telling people to help me"

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

8:52 PM

@RebeccaChernoff well, that was not my line of thought. I considered Meta more suitable for a place to discuss potential bugs/missing features in the script since I did not see a lot of such activity on stackapps. I wanted to post it on stackapps because that's where I feel it "belongs".

Rebecca Chernoff

StackApps absolutely is the place for discussing apps and userscripts and feature requests / bugs for those apps/scripts.

That's like, the point of the site (;

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

Hehe, ok. So you think I should delete post on MSO?

Rebecca Chernoff

Stack Overflow Blog: Stack Apps and Scripts

Posted by Jeff Atwood on February 18th, 2011

As part of our ongoing improvement to our 1.1 API release, and the site that supports our API, stackapps.com, we’ve extended Stack Apps to support the listing of browser scripts.

Since Stack Overflow began, there have been tons of nifty browser scripts people have created to enhance their experience — and they usually work on any site in our network. In fact, you may remember that the favorite / ignored tags feature now built into every site originally started life as a user script listed on userscripts.org by Jonathan Buchanan aka insin. …

> We’ve already contacted everyone via email who had user scripts posted on Meta Stack Overflow. We’d like to get those all migrated to Stack Apps so the community has one place to go for a centralized directory of cool, useful scripts that make our sites work better.

We did this. We actually sent out emails.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

Not to me you didn't

Rebecca Chernoff

I don't see a userscript you had previously posted looking at your activity history.

We didn't email every user.

> We’ve already contacted everyone via email who had user scripts posted on Meta Stack Overflow.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

8:57 PM

@RebeccaChernoff but I'm sorry, if I have used your increasingly entangled web of websites in a manner different from what you imagined ;-)

@RebeccaChernoff, yes I understand. I'm a bit of a user script noob, I guess.

Rebecca Chernoff

As for low activity on StackApps, that's part of why I pushed for scripts to be first-class on StackApps - to increase exposure.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

I have now deleted my post MSO.

With regards to activity... it will be interesting to see if splitting everything to a web site of its own will increase activity or actually decrease overall activity because of the inherit inconvenience.

Rebecca Chernoff

I don't think they're a taboo topic on MSO or anything, but there's a difference between it being a helpful solution and using MSO as an advertising service. (;

Even this crazy person mentioned StackApps on MSO.

balpha

I wouldn't call that person "crazy". Just... special (:

Rebecca Chernoff

I love how the only time people use my smilies is when they're blaming me for something or saying mean things! (;

balpha

9:08 PM

oy

Rebecca Chernoff

haha

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@RebeccaChernoff , hmm, sorry for "advertising" then... I guess?!?

Rebecca Chernoff

s'all good. You're not the first that has cross-posted MSO<->StackApps and I can imagine you won't be the last.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@RebeccaChernoff But I did get various bug feedbacks on my MSO question, and none so far on my stackappps script, so you must admit that despite of your intentions, in reality things work a little differently

and until that changes I'm sure that you'll keep seeing lots of cross-postings

Rebecca Chernoff

StackApps does get activity.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

9:13 PM

Mind to share the daily hits stats for both?

Rebecca Chernoff

Err, of course MSO will be bigger.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

I'm overly convinced that the script would get even more attention if I posted it on SO, however I didn't really think that SO was the right audience, but I thought that MSO was. So this was not a case of mindless advertising, but I do admit that I wanted to attract attention to it.

something that I don't feel ashamed of in any way

Rebecca Chernoff

Nah, I get it. It isn't like anyone is reaching for the suspend button here. q:

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

and the script has 16 views and the MSO question got 37 views before I deleted it. just proves that from my view it was "better" to post it on MSO. But I can easily understand why you think it should only be in one of the places. I think it's called a difference of interest what you and I are discussing here ;-)

Rebecca Chernoff

Chicken vs egg. How can StackApps grow if people don't go further than MSO?

And we do want StackApps to grow.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

9:26 PM

I'm with you. I think that too (though admittedly you are probably a bigger stakeholder in that than I am). But how does a cross post make stackapps grow less? One post linked from MSO to stackapps, so how will stackapps grow less? I'm not even sure I get it...

If anything it would attract more traffic to stackapps

Rebecca Chernoff

I'm trying to find an old post but am not having luck ):

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A: Should announcements/feedback requests for new Stack Overflow API tools be allowed on Meta?

Announcements regarding tools and applications that use the Stack Overflow API should be posted to Stack Apps. Applications are listed under the 'apps' tab. We used to have API-related discussions on meta, but now that we have a site dedicated for that purpose, application announcements should b...

And now that I've found that, I think I'll go to the gym since it is cold outside. (:

badp's sockpuppet

@RebeccaChernoff Can has MSO → StackApps migration path then?

balpha

@badpssockpuppet just FYI: meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/81803/edit

badp's sockpuppet

@balpha I did give you the +25 :)

Thanks.

Rebecca Chernoff

Hmm, has that been requested? If not, I'd say handle it like I'd handle a migration request on any other site.

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

9:34 PM

@RebeccaChernoff thanks, interesting reading... enjoy the gym

badp's sockpuppet

@RebeccaChernoff Okay so I'll wait for somebody to give me a list of questions that could've/should've been migrated. :P

balpha

I thought about migrating my scripts (I haven't moved all yet), but I decided to go with a clean slate on stackapps

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@balpha well, you should migrate them soon coz they're clearly in violation d-;

ChrisF

@badpssockpuppet - thanks for the edit

badp's sockpuppet

@ChrisF You're welcome

balpha

9:40 PM

@KlausByskovHoffmann I was speaking of "migration" as in "migration"

Klaus Byskov Hoffmann

@balpha, ok, I get it

balpha

as in: "I didn't click 'migrate to StackApps', but instead opened a new question on StackApps and closed the one meta"

Nyuszika7H

+----+  +-----------+   +-----------+
| Oy |  | Double oy |   | Triple oy |
+----+  +-----------+   +-----------+

mootinator

+-      -+
| tag:oy |
+-      -+

Nyuszika7H

oy oy

balpha

9:51 PM

You can't say "annoying" without saying "oy".

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Nyuszika7H

@everyone You're annoying. Oy!

badp's sockpuppet

10:46 PM

hrm... as an anonymous user suggesting an edit, is there any way to get the permalink to your edit suggestion?

Michael Mrozek

10:56 PM

@badpssockpuppet I don't think so

badp's sockpuppet

Thought so.

Nyuszika7H

night :)

ircmaxell

11:27 PM

I wash there was a PHP algo to generate giant primes...

Rebecca Chernoff

collapses on the couch

Tim Stone

yawns I just woke up, heh.

Michael Mrozek

She's worn out from trying to fix the UL election

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Tim Stone

A lot of ballot-stuffing that needed to be done, I'm sure.

Rebecca Chernoff

2 hours ago, by Rebecca Chernoff

And now that I've found that, I think I'll go to the gym since it is cold outside. (:

Tim Stone

11:39 PM

Though I would have gone with the "Free 500 reps for anyone who doesn't vote for Michael Mrozek" notification bar at the top, personally.

Ah, you did that whole "being active" thing instead of "arbitrarily passing out from random exhaustion" like I did.

Rebecca Chernoff

(:

Michael Mrozek

@TimStone I would've not voted for me if I knew I could get 500 rep

Tim Stone

It would have put me in an awkward position, surely. Without the 500 reps, I couldn't vote for you anyway, but with the 500 reps, I wouldn't be allowed to.

Ah good, I see that people have moved up from putting "Hi" at the beginning of their posts to "Hai". Maybe next time it'll just be a picture of a lolcat.

Michael Mrozek

I burned out when it comes to editing that stuff out now. I look at it and sigh and move on

Tim Stone

Yeah, I just passed it by for the moment. I'm sure it'll come around again on /review later, and hopefully by then I'll have mustered up the will to deal with it.

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