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I got accepted answer O_O

user315433

After leaving SE, Laura has more time for blogging.... Spinach & Quinoa Salad with Chickpeas, Sundried Tomatoes, and Herbs

user315433

@Bookend Jaydles gave the accepted answer

Quill

cybermonkey

am I correct in saying that SE uses Highcharts for the reputation history chart? the Highcharts markup and the reputation graph markup are remarkably similar...

Quill

Some sanity restored: it seems that Comodo is now dropping their trademark application for "Let's Encrypt". https://forums.comodo.com/general-discussion-off-topic-anything-and-everything/trademark-registration-t115968.0.html;msg837505#msg837505

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on June 25, 2016 at 10:32 AM

@cybermonkey there should be a post about that somewhere

cybermonkey

3:14 PM

@Quill if not, asking on Meta about it should be OK, right?

Quill

yeah

hichris123

@rene :) Thanks.

cybermonkey

yeah, definitely looks like a customized version of Highcharts

hichris123

Yeah, I believe it is.

11

A: What software is used to generate the reputation graphs on stackoverflow?

They use Highcharts.

cybermonkey

@hichris123 ta :). thought I recognised the markup since it looked similar the graph markup on a site that I'm currently developing.

Shadow Wizard

3:36 PM

@balpha I salute you!

TIPS

You see the other @balpha when you try doing stuff like that.

meatball

How to kick myself?

TIPS

@meatball You can't.

hichris123

We can fix that though...

TIPS

RUN RO ALERT

Shadow Wizard

3:41 PM

var myself = $("#active-user").attr("class").split("-").splice(-1);
var room = $("input[name='room']").val();
var url = "/rooms/kickmute/" + room;
var fkey = $("#fkey").val();
$.post(url, {"userId": myself, "fkey": fkey});

@meatball ^

Should work in any room

meatball

Are ROs suspendable from chat flag?

Shadow Wizard

Should be RO of course otherwise it's a lame 404 :/

@meatball of course

And RO can kick other RO

I just did in Den.... :D

meatball

Ooo...

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS yup... if he really leaves SE or chat development is would be great loss... :/

user315433

> You get 10 comment flag votes per day, more at high reputation or if you have a history of helpful comment flags. -- meta.stackexchange.com/a/17365

user315433

3:49 PM

I think the type of flags doesn't matter; there's one helpful flags counter.

cybermonkey

I put a bounty on 'What software is used to generate the reputation graphs on Stack Exchange?' since there seems to be a different question/answer for every year, and there's no source for the provided answer.

user315433

The number of flags per day appears to be the same for post flags as for comment flags (checked on two sites)

Shadow Wizard

@cybermonkey there are at least three kinds of reputation graphs.

In the stackexchange.com network profile it's Highcharts, didn't check the others, might be custom made.

cybermonkey

@ShadowWizard it doesn't make sense to use different libraries for every one of those

Shadow Wizard

@cybermonkey Highcharts is overkill for the simple graph showing in summary

Plus, each graph was developed in a different time, possibly by a different developer.

hichris123

3:53 PM

@Bookend Yeah, that's correct.

Shadow Wizard

Hey @Jon and Shabbat Shalom! ;)

quid

@Bookend I happen to notice you did not update the image source on your profile.

user315433

Thanks, done. The current one happens to be in public domain.

meatball

yesterday, by bjb568 is not a pebble

@bookend In your bio, profile pic source links to wrong thing.

Sad cat :(

user315433

4:09 PM

Now bjb will know that I had him on ignore all this time...

hichris123

You... ignored... bjb? :O

I think I'll unpin the town hall transcripts. Not many people have wandered in here for it recently.

user248725

4:23 PM

I can't remember, is this room a ~serious room~ full of ~serious~ discussion about ~serious~ things?

cybermonkey

@ShadowWizard I use Highcharts for the same sort of thing... it's certainly not overkill.

I do this kind of thing with it:

same sort of thing, different context, and I don't find it overkill.

@ShadowWizard Also, it can't easily be seen in the source code that it is Highcharts. The code is similar but it's nowhere near the same; it's obviously a very heavily modified version of Highcharts.

aka, your edit is incorrect to assume that

and as I said, there seem to be the same question with different answers for almost every year, which is what my bounty is trying to resolve.

hichris123

@cybermonkey Shadow's talking about the rep graph here: meta.stackexchange.com/users/152859/…. Using Highcharts for that would be overkill.

cybermonkey

@hichris123 I know.. in my opinion it's not overkill. Even if it is, doesn't that prove Shadow Wizard's edit invalid?

hichris123

How so?

cybermonkey

(that's the reputation graph I'm talking about by the way)

@hichris123 it's not obvious from the source that it's Highcharts, as I will demonstrate

Oded

4:30 PM

@hichris123 you talking about the small rep graph, or the one in the reputation tab?

hichris123

@Oded The small rep graph.

Oded

It uses d3.js, not Highcharts.

cybermonkey

@hichris123 so yeah, as I was saying, edit invalid...

hichris123

No, that edit isn't invalid? The network rep chart does use highcharsts. And it is v2.2.0, all that is changed is whitespace.

cybermonkey

@hichris123 you did see what Oded wrote, right?

user248725

4:33 PM

@Oded Well that's an official answer

hichris123

@cybermonkey I said, the small rep graph. That is not the network rep graph.

cybermonkey

@hichris123 I was referring to the total rep graph...

that's the one I've always been referring to..

Oded

Other graphs use Highcharts, including the one ShadowWizard mentioned there.

Shadow Wizard

4:44 PM

@Oded d3? I saw it's SVG, built in SE internal code

Oded

Yeah - d3 outputs the SVG for the graph :)

You will see the library is referenced on the page.

user248725

You should post that as an answer to the question

Oded

Thing is... not clear which reputation graph is the one being asked about. There are at least 4 different ones that I can think exist, off the top of my head (mini graph in the profile activity page - the one in the "reputation" section next to the reputation value, another one in the reputation panel on the same page (both of these on the summary sub-tab), a third on the reputation sub-tab when viewed as graph and the last is on se.com - network profile the reputation tab.

user248725

Oh, true

user248725

Still, it's only four graphs, and you said that d3 is used for one and Highcharts for the rest

Oded

4:51 PM

In fact - the question seems to be about the one in the reputation sub-tab. For that - the current answer is completely correct.

user248725

You could comment on it to provide an official source that it uses Highcharts

Oded

> as can be seen in the page source code

Seems like something someone can check for themselves like this is enough - no need for an "official source" here :)

user248725

Is there a comment or require or <script src="..."> or something which makes explicit that it uses Highcharts?

user248725

I ask because I can't see one, but I'm also blind

Oded

Yeah, there is a "script" element.

I don't know if browser developer tools are accessible - but the "sources" tab of the Chrome browser has a tree control that lists all the sources for a page, including the scripts.

Shadow Wizard

5:07 PM

@Oded OP mentions zoom, think only the network profile graph and big graph in reputation tab got it.

Oded

16 mins ago, by Oded

In fact - the question seems to be about the one in the reputation sub-tab. For that - the current answer is completely correct.

Shadow Wizard

:)

Oded

I never knew the network profile rep graph was zoomable.

Not good affordance on it.

hichris123

Well, it might help if you updated Highcharts past v2.2 from 2012... :P

Although I don't think the zooming has changed much.

Oded

5:23 PM

Ha. We know... though - given it is working, not a high priority (but some of the APIs changed, IIRC, so makes it complicated to update)

hichris123

Looks like the reputation graph tab uses v2.1.9 from 2011. You should standardize on one really old version. ;P

Oded

Woof. The petition to the UK parliament for triggering a second referendum has over 2 million signatures. And rising.

@hichris123 we should. They were completely separate repositories, so we have a bunch of things to consolidate.

hichris123

Ah, makes sense.

Oded

Yeah - se.com has very little in common with the Q&A sites.

Shadow Wizard

@Oded well, one never stop learning... ;)

Oded

5:32 PM

True dat

Shadow Wizard

@Oded yeah, they crashed the server with the flood of requests...

You can vote, @Oded?

@Oded top is the same. ;)

Oded

@ShadowWizard Not in the referendum. Local elections only. And sign petitions ;)

Shadow Wizard

lol, blonde moment, thought se.com got the footer of other sites

Oded

@ShadowWizard kinda. Similar, yes. As is the Area51 topbar and some other of our properties.

@ShadowWizard won't hold it against you ;)

Shadow Wizard

@Oded weird. So you're... half a citizen? Don't think such thing exists in Israel. Either you can vote, or you can't.

@Oded so it's just a shallow clone, i.e. if it changes on Q&A sites you need to manually change it in se.com?

Oded

5:35 PM

@ShadowWizard I am a resident. And it exists in Israel - look for "תושב קבע"

Shadow Wizard

@Oded huh, now we're even. Learned something new too. :D

Oded

@ShadowWizard as it stands right now, yeah.

TIPS

@Oded Evil resident, or legit resident?

Shadow Wizard

lol @מר sharp as ever! :P

TIPS

How can you be a citizen but not be a citizen? I mean, you can vote but you can't vote.

You're Schrodinger's resident.

Shadow Wizard

5:37 PM

@TIPS dunno, still have to look into it

Oded

@ShadowWizard I only know 'cause my mother is one. Couldn't get an Israeli citizenship without renouncing her Dutch one.

@TIPS resident != citizen.

TIPS

Resizen

Citident

Oded

Residing in a country means you live there, pay taxes, in some places can vote for local election (council, mayor and such), but that isn't the same as a citizen, where you can also vote for state and legislature.

TIPS

I know

I'm just messing around :)

Oded

Right now, living in the UK, that distinction bites.

TIPS

5:40 PM

Right now, many things might bite in the UK I guess.

Oded

Aye

user248725

@ShadowWizard Oh yep that would do it. Thanks!

hichris123

6:15 PM

Do people really think adding a capital letter fixes anything? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/12810684

Shadow Wizard

@Oded wow, that sucks... well, at least she finally got it...

yay! 8 seconds faster than @rene! :D

rene

you win!

Shadow Wizard

@hichris123 well, title should begin with capital letter, but yeah.... way too minor

@rene what's my prize?

hichris123

Some of those edits also were just on questions that should be closed... stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/12810676

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS dogs?

rene

6:18 PM

@ShadowWizard Today you get serial down voted, for free, by everyone in the Tavern!

Shadow Wizard

@QPaysTaxes my pleasure! :)

@rene yay! But you'll never pass @nicael - 30k in less than second.... :-D

rene

The good old days ...

Shadow Wizard

yup

TIPS

@ShadowWizard mites and ants

hichris123

Ha somehow I completely messed up a title edit: meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/326806/revisions

TIPS

6:19 PM

@rene Really? Can we?

Shadow Wizard

@hichris123 expontent? LOL.... :P

expo-tent

rene

@TIPS yes, you go ahead, we follow ... runs

Shadow Wizard

readying doomsday revenge script

hichris123

@ShadowWizard Apparently my fingers didn't follow my brain's lead. :P

TIPS

@hichris123 I love how you leave the last bracket open in the end.

Shadow Wizard

6:21 PM

@hichris123 no, I think they followed it just fine.... but your brain was busy elsewhere... ;)

TIPS

@hichris123 We've all gone there

hichris123

So many pings...

TIPS

@ShadowWizard If you were me, what would you have taken this to mean? "elsewhere... ;)"

@hichris123 You certainly should never go to Den.

Shadow Wizard

@hichris123 meager three is many? lol, you never been in the Den..... 100 is normal in there. :P

hichris123

Yeah, I enjoy my sanity, no thanks.

Shadow Wizard

6:24 PM

@hichris123 well, Enjoy the Silence! ;)

rene

If you like pings you might want to try this on a busy tag ...

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS you mean if I was @ber.... and recently I start suspecting you're becoming more and more like him.... :-D

TIPS

@ShadowWizard Says who? I'm certainly less dirty than, say, 3.6 years ago.

@hichris123 How else would we have fed Tavern with so many timeless chatterers?

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS really? Based on the pics you post and questions you ask.... that's not the case! :P

@Boo how did you overcome the 30 days rate limit on name change?

Did you hack SE?

On June 9 you were still just a @sandwich

hichris123

25

Q: Name Change Limiting can be Broken

Steps to reproduce: Change your name on Stack Overflow. After some time it won't allow to change your name again for one month Create user account in Super User or change your name on Super User with the same OpenID Go to Stack Overflow and associate your account with Super User Now the n...

Shadow Wizard

6:32 PM

@hichris123 nope. Tried it at some point, didn't work.

Besides, we can't manually associate accounts... at least not in a way I'm aware of

b_jonas

I can search for my own deleted posts with eg. scifi.stackexchange.com/search?q=+deleted%3A1 , but is there a way to restrict that to search only for posts that are deleted but not by myself?

That is, deleted automatically or by a vote or a moderator.

hichris123

Not via search. You'd have to develop a script to look through and find which were deleted by you.

b_jonas

Thanks.

hichris123

6:47 PM

Oh, something I meant to mention to you @rene: do you really think it's wise to encourage people to look through old [cv-pls]s? If they haven't acquired five votes in say a week, it's probably a borderline case -- that pretty much encourages closing every single requested question.

nicael

@ShadowWizard You're surely exaggerating :D

TIPS

7:17 PM

I guess the downvotes may be because no one else reads that as "navigation dismiss". — TIPS 9 secs ago

No comments on three downvotes. I felt ashamed and I commented.

Shadow Wizard

@nicael yup, my bad!

May 17 '15 at 11:52, by Shadow Wizard

he reduced @Inf's to 1 and deducted ~20k from me

only 20k :D

hichris123

@TIPS That line also would look really out of place...

Shadow Wizard

10k downvotes

TIPS

@ShadowWizard Who?

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS who what?

oh. isn't it obvious?? lol

TIPS

7:18 PM

@ShadowWizard Who deducted 20k from you? I wanna learn some tricks.

@hichris123 Yeah well, it's a pick-a-reason situation.

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS so ask Nick Craver to undo the fix he put in place.. ;)

TIPS

@ShadowWizard Obvious LOL? I've never met this Obvious LOL dude.

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS oh, he's a funny guy

TIPS

Kick Nraver!

What did he fix, or break?

I remember his [status-declined] bat.

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS bat? Bart?

TIPS

7:21 PM

No, bat.

Bart was Shog's toy.

Hides

Shadow Wizard

Was? :(

TIPS

Is.

Don't you was-is me!

That was backshifting.

Blame your tenses and how they work.

hichris123

May 15 '15 at 16:13, by Jason C

@Shog9 feature-request Have the site play the sad trombone sound when a banned user visits.

TIPS

I miss that dude.

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS me too. You know what was his winning WAG word?

He was the most sweetly vulgar person I've known.

TIPS

7:24 PM

@ShadowWizard Waiwait. We need to settle something. HOW IN THE WORLD do you win a WAG?

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS he did.

hichris123

@TIPS Jason must be busy, he didn't come in here after my comment.

TIPS

It was either the A-word, or the B-word, or the C-word, or . . .

hichris123

in CoGro Musings, 21 hours ago, by Jon Ericson

If you want to know why I sometimes hate question closing, look no further than a truly useful answer in danger of deletion. Here's an example I just found:

TIPS

Any other alphabet letter.

Shadow Wizard

7:25 PM

@hichris123 I do hope he's busy in a good way, i.e. didn't become homeless in some wet corner... :/

TIPS

@hichris123 I wanna see him go write some hot post on meta.

hichris123

@ShadowWizard Considering he was last seen on Meta 10 minutes ago...

TIPS

Jan 13 at 21:26, by Shog9

I wanna see some blood & guts on meta, dammit.

@hichris123 He came back to leave a map.

^ The only Star Wars reference I do

Shadow Wizard

@hichris123 oh. lol, didn't check this time. blush

TIPS

1

Q: Details of limitation on usage of Stack Exchange brandings

I'm currently involved in the creation of a cross-platform media experiment with three or four other people, which will involve a section that's a good natured (I hope!) parody of the Stack Exchange network. For part of this I hope to use the Stack Exchange API (I'll ask a separate question abou...

support

Is no one gonna answer this?

@ShadowWizard You've been losing your touch.

Shadow Wizard

7:28 PM

@TIPS :(

TIPS

First, not remembering Kick's bat, and now not going to Jason's profile in a split second

Hint: GIF

hichris123

Why does Jason visit Meta so often though and not come in here?

TIPS

I can't remember any shaves.

Although mayhaps all the argument over Smokey and his GIF's could've worn him down.

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS will try!

TIPS

@ShadowWizard Try what?

Shadow Wizard

7:39 PM

@TIPS GIF

TIPS

No, I meant that Kick's bat was in a GIF.

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS oh, not Shog's gif?

TIPS

No

Shadow Wizard

@hichris123 maybe he got too addicted, and now in rehab.

TIPS

Another hint: The GIF is deprecated, in a way.

Shadow Wizard

7:43 PM

@TIPS I need a hint for what the hint is about.

TIPS

Come on @Sha! The answer is right there.

Shadow Wizard

(aka what is the riddle?)

TIPS

Think. Where could a random person have seen a GIF of devs before?

Shadow Wizard

now you sound like @Derpy :D

TIPS

@ShadowWizard Trying to make you remember Kick's bat.

Shadow Wizard

7:44 PM

(just without the ponies ;))

TIPS

@ShadowWizard I won't forgive you for this.

Shadow Wizard

lolz

@TIPS well, switching the "a" to "u" and doubling the "t" would make sense.

TIPS

Now you're riddly too.

tattu?

tuat?

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS So... are we even? ;)

TIPS

Oh. What the hell @Sha.

Shadow Wizard

7:46 PM

So we're odd. :(

TIPS

I meant Nick. Nick Craver's bat.

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS baseball bat? I'm not sure Nick play baseball.

TIPS

Now obviously you're trolling me.

LOOK.

NICK HAD A GIF IN THE DEVS' ABOUT PAGE WHERE HE HIT US WITH A [status-declined] WRITTEN ON A BASEBALL HAT.

Shadow Wizard

but it's so fun trolling you! :D

@TIPS well, I tried to preserve those animations, so I should know.... :P

6

A: Would like to see more employee animations

Before it's closed, I wanted to stash all the past animations but alas, they changed the whole source to some dynamic picture creator and archive.org is borked when it comes to jQuery. I was able to salvage some via Google, if anyone can find more please add them as well. Thanks! Since it's goi...

We should start a poll on those animations, pick the best.... :D

hichris123

0

Q: Make it required to explain WHY you're downvoting a question

I asked the question Add up property from array of objects today and within a few minutes, it immediately received a downvote. When I asked why my question was downvoted in the comments, a kind user known as torazaburo notified me that he wasn't the one who downvoted my question, but pointed ou...

feature-request voting down-votes

Shadow Wizard

7:53 PM

not again..... ..... .... D:

TIPS

I hit first.

Shadow Wizard

@TIPS show off!

But you don't have hammer..... ;)

Feeling kind of bad now for the time OP wasted on this.

Yet another person hating us. D:

TIPS

8:15 PM

YASSS

Gaining friends since Mar 2014.

hichris123

10:11 PM

Should comments like meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326794/… be flagged as not constructive? Seems like it doesn't contribute anything to the discussion, and just attacks the OP.

Eh, I flagged it. We'll see what happens.

Jon Ericson

@hichris123 I deleted it. It's super irritating when people post comments like this because: 1) they serve no real purpose and b) they misunderstand the function of reputation.

hichris123

It is kinda surprising as the user has been on the site for 6 years. But yeah, just because someone answers/asks questions doesn't mean that they want to deal with moderation.

Quill

11:14 PM

morning

hichris123

11:35 PM

Today's interesting (or depressing) graph of the day:

user315433

I don't consider it either thing. H&I is a "feels good to have", not "need".

user315433

@ShadowWizard Same as always. Created account on Korean Language site, renamed there.

user315433

11:49 PM

> “Show more” at the end of a list that has just one more should never be a thing. It’s like putting … that shows 1 character when expanded. -- Nick Craver at 4:30 PM - 25 Jun 2016

user315433

Nick should take a look at "show full text" in chat.

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