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Unihedron

12:01 PM

@rene Upgrade SoulOS!

Bart

You're just being Dutch @rene.

Unihedron

Version 4.2 supports toggling the amount of sass.

rene

@Bart That doesn't help for sure

Bart

It's a gift and a curse ;)

bummi

@rene Hmmm, either I'm thick-skinned or I do not understand anything

Bart

12:03 PM

But yeah, I don't see where you would have been impolite.

rene

I'll go for do not understand anything ;)

Unihedron

I tossed in my two cents seeing as no one covered it already.

Bart

Heh, I wrote a comment along similar lines.

tchrist

@Unihedron I feel like adding mythbusting to all the SE Unicode bugs.

I won’t, of course. But I feel like it.

Unihedron

do it

ask on MMSE whether you can do a retag for MSE posts first, though.

tchrist

12:09 PM

@Unihedron Melts in your mouth, not in your hand.

There is a deeper flaw here having to do with programming languages that force you to work with raw binary code units instead of presenting strings as sequences of abstract code points or better yet as sequences of extended grapheme sequences. People should not be dealing with bits when they are dealing with strings.

So languages like C♯ and Java are status-broken-by-design because they violated the envelope of abstraction in this regard. That is why programmers keep screwing up Unicode using them.

If every time I had to work with a floating point number I had to specify just where in the IEEE layout I wanted to diddle bits, I’d hose that up all the time, too. This is the same class of stupidity.

Abstraction failure.

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tchrist

> All SO code that mistreats code units as code points needs to be audited and corrected. They really should be dealing with abstract characters not with physical encodings anyway; that’d fix this.

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bummi

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@bummi Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Pham

12:17 PM

Low Quality A (TPA'd by bummi): cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool co..., by □ pooop40, on security.stackexchange.com.

Unihedron

Pham is back??

user259867

@SmokeDetector Odd, someone deleted that without any spam flags. The contents aren't censored as usual. Oh well.

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[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Master degree and PhD in biomathematics by Michael Ward on academia.stackexchange.com

Unihedron

@SmokeDetector ignore

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@Unihedron Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

user259867

12:22 PM

SPAM android.stackexchange.com/a/106790 (does not address the question)

Unihedron

"absolutely shit school"

Bart

@Unihedron ?

Unihedron

from smokey's reported post chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/3365436#3365436

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[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title, bad keyword in title: CAN BUILD MUSCLE? by robertsongallp on meta.stackexchange.com

SilentKiller

No you can't build muscle on MSE. :P

Bart

12:33 PM

@SilentKiller not since they removed flag weights. Man was I buff in those days.

SilentKiller

O_o mean you're tooooooo old.

tchrist

@Bart They are simply hidden.

They are not not there.

Bart

I think they are actually really not there any more @tchrist. At some point they were really removed iirc. Then again, I make stuff up all the time, so who knows.

tchrist

One would have to ask a dev or CM, and the devs are afraid of uniflames.

rene

Did you flag your own comment? — rene 1 min ago

tchrist

12:37 PM

Last thing I read about it said they were still used in weighting.

Just not shown to plebes.

SilentKiller

> This post has been deleted.

Bart

@rene why did he delete the question?

rene

I think s/he realized the stupidity of her/his flag and her/his question

SilentKiller

He/she afraid

rene

better be

bjb568

12:40 PM

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijection,_injection_and_surjection Somebody edit the cardinality section

SilentKiller

NAA serverfault.com/a/685855/143402

tchrist

@rene Why are you discriminating against the neuters of the world? That’s just bigotry. The more sensitive, inclusive formulation is s/h/it.

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Andrew T.

I see what you did there

rene

@tchrist TIL I need to be more sensitive...

tchrist

12:45 PM

@rene Good. I expect to see more s/h/it from you in the future.

2

rene

you can count on that

Mooseman

O_o <= That's all I got this time

SilentKiller

o_O

rene

Do that exist? ...close rings in chat... ;)

bummi

@rene mhhh ... sounds as if we are doing something worng

rene

12:57 PM

Yeah... but he has a point. The tavern effect does exist.

user259867

Yeah, it'd be endless "poke X who has a hammer" in chat.

SilentKiller

Cya!

bummi

Cu

Madara Uchiha

1:26 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't want a golden hammer for general closing, at least not for now

I know myself enough to trust myself with it. But I'm not the only one with gold badge

rene

I don't know myself enough to trust myself with any tool, let alone a hammer

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Madara Uchiha

1:44 PM

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@MadaraUchiha Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

GnomeSlice

@Unihedron cheapbeatsmusic.bandcamp.com/album/crypochrome

Madara Uchiha

@SmokeDetector This other one is crap but isn't spammy or the such

Unihedron

@GnomeSlice coolio :D

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bjb568

1:51 PM

@Santa Doing PARCC English tomorrow. No idea where, as in spirit of the skewl

Very disorganize

Infinite Recursion

Very inglish

Pham

Low Quality A (TPA'd by Unihedron): kfjbkhvkcjkfjkkldfjkguyfdhjjhsdjhstfytdhgdfhvc thats why, by □ sdfdfsdf, on mathoverflow.net.

Unihedron

watching spam while playing chess while watching nyan cat on telnet while listening to music while coding.

GnomeSlice

People still 'watch' nyan cat?

Unihedron

I'm not a "people".

Infinite Recursion

1:58 PM

How many eyes does uni have?

AstroCB

Uno?

18 hours ago, by AstroCB

@tchrist Normal people? I think you're in the wrong place.

Unihedron

Ohh, exactly 23:00.

naa english.stackexchange.com/a/241991/82427

@InfiniteRecursion places +50 bounty on that question

Jason C

2:27 PM

@Shog9 You guys gotta buy stackexchange.nyc and represent.

Unihedron

Get stackexchange.google, too.

I wish I could buy doyounotknowhowto.google.

Jason C

@tchrist The starboard is twinking? o.O

bjb568

Twinkle twinkle little star, how I wonder who the startroll is.

I forgot the rest of he lyrics.

Screw it, QRSTUVWZY and Z

Bart

@InfiniteRecursion 3. One in his head. 2 on the crab

user259867

2

Q: Moderator Elections - We need more candidates!

In about 6 hours, the nomination phase of the moderator elections is scheduled to end. However, in order for the election to proceed, it is necessary to have at least one more candidate running than there are slots. This allows for there to be actual voting phases, so that the community can actua...

user259867

2:33 PM

Save Money Election! Nominate yourself now!*
* you need 300 rep

Andy

@2mkgz I'd click that link in my email. Totally not spam.

Unihedron

Or I could buy howto.google and make subdomains doyounotknow and learn.

rene

I'm on 101 there, maybe I can be mod for 1/3?

user259867

The scores of existing candidates are 8 and 15. One can't expect ~40 on a less active site, but still...

Unihedron

@rene We can share a diamond.

Jason C

2:34 PM

@tchrist code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=468390 went downhill fast.

Andy

@rene I'll throw in my 101. That'll cover 2/3s of a mod position

rene

done...

Unihedron

@Andy We can share the diamond! We each have ~100 rep.

user259867

Maybe they don't need new mods at this time? Could try again in 6 months.

Unihedron

oh, with all the spam, I doubt it...

rene

2:38 PM

On the plus side I don't know anything about personal finance, not even my own

user259867

I think that might be better than desperately grabbing one more candidate and running election. Chances are that 2 of 3 are LQ candidates, and then one of them is assured to win.

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user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore

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Unihedron

english.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/117148

someone needs to be banned

user259867

2:40 PM

We require additional candidates would be a better title. For Arqade...

Unihedron

2:51 PM

omg it's only 11 pm

Andy

@Unihedron It's not even lunch time

SPArchaeologist

@Unihedron Not getting what you mean. Who?

Unihedron

idk

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cybermonkey

3:10 PM

cv-pls: stackoverflow.com/questions/29898980/… (duplicate)

the answer proves that they are missing a library, hence it is a duplicate.

Mooseman

@JasonC I'm still waiting on this one code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=460377 :/

Unihedron

The typography of source code: what you can learn purely from code's shape. Cool. http://bit.ly/1DsP4Ln

Tweeted by mikeloukides on April 27, 2015 at 12:33 PM

bummi

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@bummi Blacklisted user.

Jason C

@Unihedron Fail. CSS looks like JavaScript. Java looks like every other language.

Unihedron

3:16 PM

...

Mooseman

@JasonC Pretty much... Then again, the breaks in the css would be poor js. And why aren't they compressing anything?

Jason C

3:32 PM

@cybermonkey You've got a lot of duplicates to hunt down and start closing, you know.

Lynn Crumbling

@SmokeDetector Is this spam? @bummi

Madara Uchiha

@LynnCrumbling Smells like it at least

@Mooseman the election nomination requirement is still 300

When over 30 candidates, the new requirement becomes the 30th lowest rep candidate's rep.

Lynn Crumbling

@MadaraUchiha Ok; thanks... SPAM needs 2 more: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/111886/…

bummi

@LynnCrumbling she posted yesterday 2 on SU and one on apple for texts.io/purchase

Mooseman

@MadaraUchiha ah...

cybermonkey

3:40 PM

@JasonC stackoverflow.com/questions/29898980/…

Lynn Crumbling

@bummi Ah, yep... good to know.. surprised she hasn't been ~~blacklisted~~ suspended yet.

bummi

@LynnCrumbling same name different accounts

Jason C

@cybermonkey Are you aware that I get notifications of comments containing "@JasonC" and do not need to be pinged in chat?

Lynn Crumbling

@bummi oooo

cybermonkey

@JasonC We don't give help to those who can't be bothered to read up on the requirements of the very library they're using. They deserve to have these errors if they can't be bothered to read.

Jason C

3:42 PM

@cybermonkey That's not the question I just asked you.

cybermonkey

@JasonC On another note, we've kinda clogged up the comments on that question, so it'll probably be better if we remove the comments and continue our discussion here. And yes, I am fully aware.

Lynn Crumbling

@cybermonkey At some point, you may want to give them a little slack... maybe they were looking at the old (beta) version of the docs, and just didn't realize that there was add'l info in the newer version?

cybermonkey

@LynnCrumbling If that's the case, it's still their fault for not paying attention. If this question was asked by a new user, the question would probably be closed and DV'ed a lot more.

Jason C

@cybermonkey Good, then don't do that, it's unnecessary. As for the question itself, I've already concluded:

@cybermonkey Great! Then go find a suitable canonical question about the importance of reading documentation to link to, and downvote in the mean time. :) — Jason C 3 mins ago

Lynn Crumbling

@cybermonkey Don't get me wrong; I can fully appreciate the "lazy programmer" that doesn't RTFM at all :)

Jason C

3:44 PM

And as for your original rationale:

@JasonC Doesn't matter, the matter still boils down to the fact they were missing a library declaration. It is not useful (in my opinion) for future readers, and should still have a signpost to the generic question on the matter. — cybermonkey 22 mins ago

If that's not what you actually meant, next time think before you comment.

cybermonkey

@JasonC The point of Stack Overflow is to have a central repository for programming questions and answers, I personally don't think a question whose problem was primarily based on material that the OP didn't read from the page they downloaded the library from is a good question.

Jason C

@cybermonkey Why do you keep repeating that as if somebody is disagreeing with that point? That has nothing to do with the fact that linking to the "unresolved external symbol" question as a duplicate makes no sense.

It's a terrible question that does not have enough prior research. Also, it's not a duplicate of the library question. Downvote it. That's about all you can do. But I've already said this, and we're going in circles.

cybermonkey

@JasonC Delete your comments please, to clean up the comments...

Jason C

Done

@cybermonkey By the way the title of that duplicate is both "undefined reference" and "unresolved external symbol". :P

Infinite Recursion

4:44 PM

If nobody steps up, I know a certain kitteh who could take the roll! — bjb568 2 hours ago

bjb568

So confusing here, bells are 67s off from the minute.

Anyway, now will do no calc Taylor and vector FRQs

Infinite Recursion

!bjb So confusing here, bells are 67s off from the minute.

bjb568

so confusing here, bellz're 67z off from the minute. [translated]

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Infinite Recursion

So confusing here, when bjb speaks English instead of inglish.

Unihedron

4:52 PM

so confusing here- (choke) oh god

Infinite Recursion

"Please do the needful" I always get a kick from that phrase. — Will 2 hours ago

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durron597

@animuson FYI there's still a problem

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bjb568

5:16 PM

Thanks but my school said that I have to wait until do the course which I would prefer not to do. — anonymous 7 hours ago

Bleh

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5:33 PM

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Lynn Crumbling

@SmokeDetector tp

@SmokeDetector tp off-topic - code dump for chat server

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Lynn Crumbling

@SmokeDetector tpu

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@LynnCrumbling Blacklisted user.

tchrist

5:58 PM

@InfiniteRecursion Been tutoring him with OED stem-cell transplants between palabrotas.

@JasonC Like.

Lynn Crumbling

6:11 PM

Haven't seen frank in here much lately.. guess it's his busy time of the year :)

One-more offsite-res stackoverflow.com/q/29902991/656243

tchrist

@JasonC Pace @BarelyJentaculatedBambino969, there are no bouncy cream-filled yellow spongecakes with Peter Pan Syndrome flittermousing about in search of his own private Twinkerbelle in the Tavern's musty rafters. Rather, the referenced buggerroo is because somebody in Devovania SE got The First Noel mixed up with Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.

Lynn Crumbling

@tchrist s/Disney/Techspeak

:)

Mooseman

6:36 PM

> What is the solution to Android? - QOTD

cv-pls simple stackoverflow.com/q/29903563/1234256

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JonasCz

cv-plz networkengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/18141/…

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7:01 PM

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7:29 PM

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Mooseman

7:52 PM

@SmokeDetector ignore

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8:10 PM

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AstroCB

@SmokeDetector fpu LaTeX

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@AstroCB Registered question as false positive, whitelisted user and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

AstroCB

@SmokeDetector ignore Formatting

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rene

Is this SPAM? stackoverflow.com/questions/29589352/…

hichris123

8:14 PM

I don't think so, just low quality.

user259867

Looks like a legitimate off-topic question.

rene

OK

user259867

Money election still at 2 candidates; nomination period extended by 7 days. And it seems postponing election isn't an option: they are down to two mods now, after a recent retirement.

3ventic

It's so poor it almost looks like it's there to drive traffic to the site, but since he went through the trouble to get a badge, I'll side with just very poorly asked...

user259867

Meanwhile, CiviCRM got pro-tem mods

hichris123

8:22 PM

And -- lemme guess -- Vi and Vim still doesn't have pro-tems.

user259867

@hichris123 ... why is that?

hichris123

@2mkgz I dunno. They just haven't appointed mods yet.

There's a nomination thread and everything:

16

Q: Who are our nominees for the moderator positions?

The community's thoughts on moderator nominees are apparently considered by SE for appointing moderators pro tempore. They look for members who: Have a reasonably high reputation score to indicate active, consistent participation. Show an interest in their meta’s community-building activ...

discussion moderation

user259867

They've got decent candidates too.

user259867

How odd. There's no apparent reason why SE employees would want to babysit the site for that long.

Alexis King

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/29900807/465378 unclear

Jon Ericson

8:33 PM

@2mkgz Oddly, there are very few flags on that site. It's growing nicely and we aren't likely to shut it down. I believe the emails have been set to potential pro tem mods.

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ASCIIThenANSI

cv-plshttp://stackoverflow.com/q/29905526/4739548 unclear what you're asking (and if by 'advice' he means what library is the best to use, it's opinion based and too broad)

hichris123

@SmokeDetector tpu NAA

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@hichris123 Blacklisted user.

bjb568

8:55 PM

I feel so old.

Scholastic is sending me spam, I gave them my email like forever ago.

It's sending to my addr with my dad's name with ads targeted at parents of toddlers.

ASCIIThenANSI

@bjb568 Can you cancel it?

no

@SmokeDetector /help

!!/help

It feels like just yesterday when I was reading about big red dogs.

SmokeDetector

8:57 PM

@Doorknob I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and low-quality posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

bjb568

sighs with nostalgia

ASCIIThenANSI

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@ASCIIThenANSI ... did I miss something?

ASCIIThenANSI

@Doorknob If SmokeDetector pops up, can I respond with a command? Or is that for certain users only?

Doorknob

@ASCIIThenANSI github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/wiki/…

ASCIIThenANSI

9:00 PM

@Doorknob It says 'requires privileges', but what privileges are they, who gets them, and how do I get them (if at all?)

Doorknob

@ASCIIThenANSI They have to be manually added (usually by hichris or Undo) to this list: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/…

ASCIIThenANSI

@Doorknob OK then. Thanks. c:

@bjb568 family?

yup, my greatuncle

:)

9:03 PM

@bjb568 I bet he's nice.

bjb568

eh,

… meh

hichris123

@Doorknob And @ASCII is now added. :)

AstroCB

0

A: In Swift is it possible to check if a given date is on or during a holiday such as christmas or bank holiday?

I have to check a pre-set list of dates I know to be bank holidays? Yes. I am no Swift expert, there's not ever going to be a programming language with a predefined list of bank holidays in it. Holidays vary a lot region by region, there'd be no way to do it effectively.

NAA?

hichris123

@JasonC Ouch and I can't even nuke it.

AstroCB

!!/rev

hichris123

9:10 PM

!!/status

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@AstroCB 779a2a3 (hichris1234: Add ASCII to privileged users)

AstroCB

!!/!!

@AstroCB And...now it's been upvoted.

JonasCz

Is this naa ? Seems to be asking another question. stackoverflow.com/a/29906052/4428462

ASCIIThenANSI

@hichris123 Oh, thank you!

AstroCB

@JonasCz Yes; it starts off sounding like it could be a roundabout solution, but it definitely doesn't end that way.

bjb568

9:27 PM

> Inappropriate intimacy

lol, that's one way to put it

(camp handbook)

> Properly worn, the $camp uniform promotes an awareness of the inner self. From the beginning, the $camp uniform has meant a spirit of unity – a simplified day – a means of identification – a blurring of class distinctions. The uniform is both simple and flexible. The most important aspect of wearing the uniform is neatness. It is worn every day to the dining room, classes, concerts, performances and all activities on main camp.

bummi

@AstroCB maybe the question could be closed as dupe

bjb568

> Do NOT Bring the Following Items
> …
> Ø Nice jewelry

Of course one can only bring crappy jewelry.

oh crap I just used one instead of general you

hichris123

9:43 PM

@bjb568 What camp is this?

bjb568

Meh, may as well tell you it's interlochen.

hichris123