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12:31 AM
Wait... I think I might have just finished the Math implementation!
yay!
 
YAY!
 
12:55 AM
Now I have a few things I need to solve in the ways of scope resolution, and then I need to figure out how to add in functions...
 
 
1 hour later…
2:20 AM
We are an active bunch
 
We have our moments.
 
Shh, I'm watching a horse race.
 
do you do much OTB?
 
I like the OTB. Gotta remember to go this summer.
 
No, not really.
 
2:26 AM
@drachenstern Do you live near a track?
 
Hello
You guys are very quiet...
 
@ErickRobertson I'm assuming a metaphor at this point.
grr...typos
 
@ErickRobertson yes and no. I live in Shreveport LA (which is all over my profile) and so there is a track her
I just happen to know a company that just launched a OTB style app
 
Eventually I'll make it to implementing functions..
 
one of my neighbors
 
2:28 AM
I think I need built-in functions first tho..
 
@TylerChacha yeah, but getting math first is good
 
@drachenstern What's the app? iOS?
 
I just solidified my math engine... muhuhaha
@drachenstern Done
 
Oh, that comment wasn't directed at someone else. heh
 
@ErickRobertson nah, web based
@TylerChacha no, that was my point indeed
 
2:29 AM
I made a horse breeding game - SimDerby.com - but I was basically forced back to work by my lack of business skills
 
@TylerChacha what language are you implementing
 
didn't finish that enough for the breeding. had the racing, though. that was fun to watch.
 
@Hogan It depends. At this point I could implement anything from Javascript to PHP...
@Hogan Whatever I do, I'm making Javscript-style function values
I figure that will be easiest
Probably will have closure as well..
 
I don't get it. >Ten years of .NET Visual Studios, and the wretched thing still can't build a massive C# solution without hanging intermittently. Even larger C++ solution? smooth as silk. Something is wrong with this picture.
 
@TylerChacha Fun. I wrote a C compiler in graduate school.
 
2:33 AM
@Shog9 it's VS. I compile from the command line when I want speed.
 
@TylerChacha You parsing to a semantic tree?
 
@Hogan ya
 
Sounds fun. Wish I had time to do such things
 
You have to make time ya know?
 
I did all of that today
I had the idea about 10 hours ago..
 
2:42 AM
@Shog9 Every time you compile for .NET, the ghost of Clippy is there lurking below the surface, slowing down your build as it siphons off MSIL in an attempt to live again.
 
tsk... I knew it
that wiry bastard.
 
I suspect its first question will be "I see you expect your IDE to work correctly, would you like help with that?"
Though to be fair, I'd rather have my IDE hang momentarily than just suddenly disappear in some errorless crash like Eclipse has been known to.
 
I would rather have clippy eat his own MSIL
I know what I want my PhD to be in: Marital Engineering (this is coming from a weird convo with a friend. No I will not share the deeper conversation)
 
3:00 AM
It seems that Osama wasn't the only one who got what was coming to him.
 
eh?
links are good. Good links are better
 
I can't believe that article exists. I must kill myself now.
 
oh crap, I hate this laptop, I didn't see the link
 
@MichaelPetrotta That's oddly not even the worst article I've ever seen on MSNBC. Clearly they aren't keen on setting the bar high.
@drachenstern Ah ha :P
 
Yeah, what can I say?
 
3:05 AM
I only ever see MSN[BC] when I accidentally start IE.
That came off as MS-hate... not quite me.
 
Sony attacked again? Huh.
 
@TimStone wait what?
 
I think they discovered breach2 while investigating breach1.
 
what the eff is this?
 
3:19 AM
Hm, this reminds me that I bought something from their online store once, better make sure they don't have my credit card information just in case.
 
That's Keyboard Cat. What else do you want to know?
...aaand there's a whole channel for him.
 
Seriously?
I saw a commercial on TV and was shaking my head
 
@MichaelPetrotta what have you done???????????????
 
you'll never guess what they mashed him up with
 
3:21 AM
It's like you unleashed the wolf hounds of hell
 
@MichaelPetrotta I hate you.
 
I think less damage was done last week in asbadadlkadsfasbad Pakistan
 
I'm not even laughing here. Ohgodohgodohgod
 
goes to shoot self
 
(protip: that's supposed to indicate that I am a useless American and can't be arsed to look up the name of the city)
 
3:22 AM
Does anyone know what the => syntax means in this code: @Html.DisplayFor(model => model.LastName)
 
I presume it's a lamdba
 
ANOTHER Michael!?!
 
what's the method signature?
@MichaelPetrotta you'ld think it was a rare name but noooooo
 
Its used in the sample code all over ASP.NET MVC
 
@drachenstern You have to take joy in the little things. Like my team, for the moment, has only one Michael (but is threatening to have three Brians)
 
@MichaelPetrotta interesting
so it's a lambda
expression
Type: System.Linq.Expressions.Expression<Func<TModel, TValue>>
An expression that identifies the object that contains the properties to display.
Do you know what lambda functions are @MichaelPryor
 
lambdas are a beautiful thing.
that's what they are. (:
 
ok, got it. thx!
 
Yes, yes they are.
 
shakes fist at Java
 
3:28 AM
@TimStone because they don't support lambdas?
 
@RebeccaChernoff: well, lambdas are wonderful things. I don't know what lambda's are
 
> his words carry weight that would break a lesser man's jaw
 
@drachenstern I think they might be included in the next version, but I stopped paying attention to how that was all panning out. But yeah.
 
@MichaelPetrotta shush ):
 
@MichaelPetrotta I was going to go that route, but thought it might be too much. A point to you, sir.
 
3:29 AM
Can't let things like that slide. Next thing you know, civilization's going down.
 
Yeah, next thing you'll know we'll be writing whole articles about how Justin Bieber was told to sit the hell down. Oh, wait..
 
So would it be wrong of me to clear posts on some odd 3000 (estimating here) starred posts in this room?
 
Probably. :P
 
I think I should ...
 
3:33 AM
Reckon our badges would get revoked?
 
I'm not sure I see the point in that, honestly.
 
I'm not sure I see the point in most of the things in this room being starred ;)
 
heh, pretty sure the url says "White" in it. q:
 
@TimStone You'll notice I'm letting some things stay starred :p
shhhh, there he is
 
some things should stay starred
 
3:39 AM
I know, but I don't really like the notion of "policing" the stars, it seems kind of pedantic. Now, if someone were to star another "oy", I would agree that's too far (actually I always agreed that was too far, but :P)
@RebeccaChernoff White background, apparently.
 
/lurk
 
@mootinator you're leaving again?
 
Nah.
I'm no longer riveted on election coverage so I can speak freely.
 
haha
 
oh that's a close lurk tag
 
3:42 AM
It was a lurk emote.
Not a </lurk>
 
yeah, see it didn't translate well
@Pearsonartphoto you keep fluttering .. what's going on tonight?
 
Uhm...
No idea, just decided to see how things are going here...
 
that's cool
how's photo.se? (isn't that you're home site?)
no, graphic design
 
It's the one I've got the most reputation, but I've got to admit, I haven't been as active there recently...
It's been rather quite for a while.
 
Hmmm.... I wonder how many of us here are mods on at least one site on the network
 
3:45 AM
GD is where I'm a mod, but I don't think I'd call it my home site...
 
well I knew you were a mod somewhere, had to remember where
who here has a good resource on authentication with REST services? I don't care about the language, I wanna see how it's being done by others
 
Oauth?
I'll bet twitter or fb have API examples on any authentication you want.
 
I suppose
true, but can I see their entire stack from front to back?
I can only see the userside facing stuff
 
No, good point.
OpenID?
 
have you got a good resource for that or are you just guessing?
 
3:49 AM
(that open source social network that I haven't heard of since they were on kickstart?)
 
diaspora?
 
Guessing. I thought that was clear. My mistake.
Yea I think so. That's an open source software that requires login.
 
Yeah, well, I don't always admit to being a mod in GD...
 
Diaspora that is it.
 
Although I suppose I'm still one of the more active people in the community...
 
3:50 AM
Eine Moment bitte.
 
Oddly enough, I've been most active recently in SFF
 
oh, I should be active over there
 
That, and a certain nameless recently failed site.
 
but then I wouldn't have time for side projects or this thing I pretend to call a life
 
"life" Heh.
 
3:53 AM
I always thought that SO was an extension of life...
Or then again, maybe not.
 
something like:
 
You know, I really wish the Tavern would play nicely with the other chat rooms...
 
public Life StackOverflow(this Life) { return this; }
 
@Pearsonartphoto Hmm?
 
Well, at least for me, I can have every other SE chatroom in the same window, but the Tavern demands it's own...
 
3:54 AM
@Pearsonartphoto because they aren't on the same server?
bah, I have THREE chat server windows open atm
 
@drachenstern: So, SO does nothing about your life but return it to you?
 
@Pearsonartphoto so far ... :p
 
Hmmm. Guess I'm lucky all of my other ones are on the same server.
 
more like, it's a passthrough device
 
3:55 AM
I imagine also @RebeccaChernoff and @TimStone have at least three open
 
I'll admit, my programming skills aren't quite what they should be.
Probably the main reason I don't hang out on SO more.
 
I think I have 15 chat tabs open at the moment.
 
TABS?
good lord man
 
I'm really good at working my way through code and fixing it, or piecing two or more things together. I'm not as good at the coding itself...
 
I guess if you're active in several rooms right this second
which would preclude you getting work done but that's c'est la vie
hey tim are you on skype?
 
3:57 AM
Yeah, chat lives in its own window over here on the right, each room gets its own tab.
I believe so, lemme see..
 
interesting. I rely on the stacking on the right hand side
yeah you are, I don't think my window updated with the latest chat tho
oh, it did, it just didn't popup when it did
 
I'm getting a knack for getting the nice question badge on MSO...
 
@Pearsonartphoto good job
 
5 questions, 1 good answer, 2 nice, 1 closed, and one low vote...
Guess I'm just pointing out everyone's pet peeves...
 
3:59 AM
@drachenstern I've got the spare screen real estate I suppose, plus I like using the numbers in the tab titles to tell when a room starts being active again.
 
@TimStone yeah. I just don't have that much to talk to other rooms about :p
I pop in as things seem to occur
 
Ah :P
 
I'm not really a gamer, I don't etc etc etc
 
I love how I almost got a nice answer on gaming.SE for a game that I've never even heard of.
Sorry, random thought...
 
It happens to the best of us ;)
 
4:04 AM
Ah, speaking of random thoughts, I remembered there's userscript work to be done. I should remount my whiteboard on the wall so I can write to-do notes on it, heh.
Preferably with something a little less adhesive this time.
 
lulz
I just love pushy Q askers
"Here, I made my question marginally acceptable, now help me [damn you]"
the bracketed part I added for dramatic effect
DAE get absolutely annoyed to all end seeing the same local commercials OVER and OVER and OVER again?
 
@drachenstern Never ceases to amaze me. shakes head
I haven't been watching much TV since I got back from vacation. I think something must be wrong with me.
 
@TimStone we already knew that
 
Tut mir. Ich war meine füßnagel schneiden.
 
4:19 AM
So @Moshe I shall now admonish you.
The site is served and serviced in English.
 
Indeed. I know. I am sorry.
 
I meant more so than usual, of course.
 
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Q: Is English required on Stack Overflow?

1 2Otherwise known as 必需用英语吗?(is English Required?) Return to FAQ Index

 
lowers head in shame
 
@Moshe I wanted to see who would jump me saying "no it's not"
 
4:20 AM
Not me. :-p
Well, the question becomes "Are English-like languages allowed?"
 
Define an English-like language
 
The kind of posts that are grossly misspelled and poorly written due to lack of effort. They closely resemble English, but fail to BE English.
And the OP was just being lazy.
I'm laughing at my German post now. Di anyone bother to translate it?
It's completely random and therefore I find it somehow humorous.
 
4:43 AM
It's interesting. The 5th most popular tag on SFF states clearly that questions tagged with this tag are off topic...
 
Hey!
 
and I just evangelized another SO convert
rather, the entire SEI network
 
@drachenstern ?
 
@Trufa I told someone how awesome it was and showed them how it was useful
She just saw that there's a gamedev site
I think she's in love
crying shame she lives a third of the way around the world from me ...
 
@drachenstern well done!
@drachenstern have you started blogging?
it was you right?
 
4:48 AM
@Trufa no. I have my reasons. I haven't really got anything to blog about just yet. I'm kinda disorganized, so ...
 
@drachenstern ohh, ok!
 
Here's my current plan: I am going to register some domains by the end of next week, and once I do that I'm going to stand up a basic bit of kit and a blog will be one of them
I'm then going to start blogging about my new app/service I'm going to write
I'm going to try and document it as I go, the things I find tricksy, etc
the ADD predicts that I won't succeed and that I'll stop after about five entries
 
@drachenstern hehe I've been thinking (unsuccessfully) about domain names too
 
but I think I can whoop that ADD
I'm just gonna get the one that's really most obvious (and no I won't tell you now)
 
@drachenstern hehe
It is a hard thing domain finding
 
4:52 AM
sadly enough
 
@drachenstern you could not buy drachenstern.com right?
 
I could not. I tried and tried.
I have sent emails till I am blue in the face
I have asked lots of people about buying lots of domains actually
 
@drachenstern been there, it's unbelivably frustrating
 
I either get dead email addresses (Which should be internet illegal) or I get "we don't know anything about that domain" or I get "that'll be $125,000" ...
 
@drachenstern ohhh I'm not alone!
 
4:55 AM
@Trufa you are not
 
@drachenstern BTW do you know anything about python?
 
vaguely
what is the Q in particular?
wow, midnight? I guess I'm about ready for bed then ...
 
Never mind, found the bug. It was the big fat idiot behind the screen.
 
Ah, a pebkac
 
@drachenstern hehe first time I heard, but, thats about it!
 
4:59 AM
haha
 
hmm @Pearsonartphoto
Curious if there is a reason you posted about SFF on MSO instead of meta.scifi
 
night ya'll
 
G'night
 
Well, I suspect it's a bug common to all, so...
I tend to post in the local meta for direction on a site, and MSO for possible bugs/ global direction...
 
5:18 AM
@drachenstern good night!
 
@Pearsonartphoto Hmm, and you have full edit rights on that tag wiki normally right, since you're one of the top answerers?
@RebeccaChernoff That doesn't seem intentional, right?
 
 
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7:42 AM
Does question voting affect the order on SE2.0 homepages? It does on SO, but what about SE sites?
 
@JanFabry It does?
 
 
1 hour later…
8:53 AM
@GeorgeMarian It is described as a factor in the blog post that announced the redesign:
Posted by Jeff Atwood on November 9th, 2010

As I mentioned in The Horror of No Answer: Revival and Necromancer:

It’s fine — expected, even — for there to be a “long tail” of questions that are too obscure, too narrow, or just plain unanswerable for whatever reason. Sometimes you have to be patient; it takes the time it takes. But seeing the number of zero-answer questions grow by 50% over a 3 month period is definitely concerning.

Part of this is our fault for not adapting the homepage to the massive amount of question activity that Stack Overflow now enjoys. We’re working on it, but it will take some time to figure out the right approach.  …

"question score: +200 × score, up to +1,000 total"
 
9:04 AM
should I flag link-only answers? if so, what as?
0
A: Alternative to Input Director

Mireehttp://www.keyboard-and-mouse-sharing.com

 
9:48 AM
yeeey Google selected me for "an exclusive test."
...a €75 Adwords coupon.
 
 
2 hours later…
11:59 AM
uh...
> VirusBarrier Express and VirusBarrier Plus, available exclusively from the Mac App Store, detect this malware with malware definitions dated May 2, 2011 or later, but these programs do not have a real-time scanner, due to limitations imposed by the Mac App Store; users should scan their Macs after they have updated to the latest malware definitions.
that's a... interesting business decision.
"If we sell our antivirus through the Mac App Store we'll have to cripple it into uselessness." "Um, okay, let's sell it only on the Mac App Store!"
 
12:12 PM
1 quick question: if SO has blocked a particular account from accepting any new questions can that user ever revert that somehow? If so by doing what?
 
12:33 PM
@deostroll If they get "sorry we are no longer accepting questions from this account" that's it. You can't create another account, either, see Jeff here (meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/72180/…)
The user could try and edit the questions for content/quality and then e-mail the SE team...but it's unlikely.
 
12:49 PM
@deostroll Then hope none of us ends up on your IP address, because now we know who to blame if we get accidentally blocked :P
(not really. but yes, I'm not going to be pleased if I get accidentally blocked.)
 
argh, VirtulBox is driving me mad. I've got two network cards in my machine and I want to assign one for exclusive use for the Guest - don't want the host to use it at all.
 
@tombull89 That sounds like a problem with the host OS tbh
 
I've tried disabling the two boxes in red (which then disabled the boxes in green) and left the "VirtualBox Bridged Networking Driver" ticked, but this hasn't worked.
maybe this isn't the right way to do it?
my google-fu has let me down as well :(
 
 
1 hour later…
2:11 PM
Speaking of poor Google-Fu, does anyone know where to get this ikea laptop table or something similar for a better price? Link: ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90148629
My google-Fu fails me at the moment.
 
2:24 PM
Also, @Pekka, are there any basic programming books that you can point me to on Amazon, or the like, that are written in German? I think I'll learn like that.
Preferably topics like web design or iPhone development - things I'm already familiar with.
Cool! Found this:
3
Q: Good beginner programming books in German?

EddieStrange question. I have a German friend who'd like to break into the programming scene, and asked me during a visit to recommend a few good beginner programming books for her that are in German. She actually doesn't care much about the specific language right now, but would like to eventually ...

 
is addicted to Ruby
 
2:52 PM
@Moshe I know what you were trying to suggest last night about Oauth, I want to know what to do with the Oauth token after I get it for a client
 
@Nyuszika7H Don't worry, addictions can be overcome...
 
is also addicted to irssi
 
@Moshe I don't know the German programming book market well enough to make any serious recommendations, sorry!
Strangely, I did not get notified of Moshe's @Pekka. Why?
Ahhh because of the comma
That stinks!
Off to bug @balpha.
 
that sucks
 
the comma shouldn't matter
 
2:55 PM
@balpha ah, okay. Then it's probably because I wasn't active in this room during the past couple days?
 
yeah, he didn't use your full name; that decreases the time frame that's looked at
 
@Pekkasothertrollingaccount which comma? at the end?
 
@balpha I see, makes sense!
 
@balpha oh wait say what? that's new to me
 
@drachenstern yeah, but I was mistaken, it was because I haven't been in here for so long
 
2:56 PM
@Pekkasothertrollingaccount yeah, what were you thinking
 
3
A: Getting Marc's chat notifications

balphaOkay, we have made a change to the logic that we hope to be the best way to go. "@marc" will always be considered a match for your user name, in the sense that it will be highlighted if you look at the transcript etc. (following the "party" logic in my other answer). However, in most cases, "@m...

 
@Moshe I think the O'Reilly books all have German translations.
Not having read any of them, I would still go as far as to say you can expect decent quality there
 
@Pekkasothertrollingaccount and Hungarian too :)
 
@Nyuszika7H Yeah, they seem pretty international.
@Moshe what sort of programming book are you looking for? What fields?
 
I think there's an earlier answer re the two day/seven day distinction, but I can't find it right now
 
3:02 PM
2
A: Stack Exchange chat name mention inbox confusion

Marc GravellThat follows the standard rules of @blah conflicts, I'm afraid. You would also have got a highlight inside chat for that. That was a reply; if they had just used the explicit reply (rather than adding the @Mark), it would have known who it meant, but that @Mark was ambiguous so all the "Mark*" w...

That one?
 
@TimStone you fell for his troll to get you to find it :p
 
I feel dirty now. :(
 
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
(yeah, that's the one I was looking for)
 
> @JeffM - I think that it would be acceptable to not include @mentions until they have said something in the room - they'll still see the on-screen highlighting greeting them, anyways. – Marc Gravell♦ Nov 5 '10 at 8:05
That's good stuff, I didn't realize it did that ...
 
hmm, I don't think it does
hmm, marc says so...
 
3:10 PM
uh oh, oh snap
 
he would know, I guess
 
but it may have been rewritten since then
just poke @MarcGravell and see what he says?
 
I checked the code, that's faster :)
it's correct
 
Hello
 
@TylerChacha hello
Potential cure for FGITW?
If you post an incomplete answer for FGITW, and then edit it in the intervening five minutes, adopt the last time of the five minute window as the actual timestamp.
So it becomes a penalty for abusing the privilege
Maybe that only takes effect if you add more than 50 characters on the subsequent revisions?
 
3:38 PM
Please help by flagging this question and asking that it be undeleted. It was a discussion that should have been left for future viewers who are questioning the policy. At the very least the answers should have been migrated.
10ks only.
 
flagging for undeletion or voting for undeletion?
flagging is just going to make angry mods
 
Wes
@LanceRoberts I thought it should be deleted. He was only going to get abuse in that thread.
 
@LanceRoberts Blankman asked for it to be deleted, and there's already another post that covers it
 
Wes
Honestly I think someone should open a thread in neutral language and make it community wiki and a faq candiadate
 
The daily question limit doesn't really warrant a dedicated faq entry; it's probably already part of some other one
 
3:51 PM
7
Q: Is there a limit on how many questions I can ask?

user130657Is there a limit on how many questions I can ask per day? Per hour? Per other time unit? Return to FAQ index

 
That's what you guys get for asking about it in MetaChat, Tim just goes and finds the Q in question
 
Wes
That thread is incorrect and I've seen it before.
 
Feeds ain't got nothin' on me.
It's a CW, fix anything that's incorrect.
 
Wes
Should faq entries have multiple linked questions? I mean in the main part
 
@Wes I don't see any problem with that personally
 
3:56 PM
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. But any important bit of information is encouraged to come with a supporting link, where appropriate.
 
Wes
Such is what is the new post limit?
What is the reason behind the new post limit?
Is the post value likely to change?
Should I open another account or post anymously to get arround the limit? etc
As one question
or mulitple linked questions?
 
Eh, discussion-y things shouldn't go in the FAQ.
 
Wes
Thats why I'm not doing it. But those are the questions coming up.
 
Where are they coming up?
 
Wes
On meta
Mostly as sub questions
 
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