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Yi Jiang

8:04 AM

@radp Lolwut?

radp

@YiJiang loldat.

Yi Jiang

@radp lolwut'ssointerestingthere?

radp

@YiJiang The insightful comment, which is insightful.

Yi Jiang

@radp Right, you totally misspelling the acronym of the Great Firewall, that

radp

I mispelt nothing :(

Yi Jiang

8:08 AM

@radp Because I was talking about cancer, no?

Transforming growth factor

Transforming growth factor (sometimes referred to as Tumor growth factor, or TGF) is used to describe two classes of polypeptide growth factors, TGFα and TGFβ. The name "Transforming Growth Factor" is somewhat arbitrary, since the two classes of TGFs are not structurally or genetically related to one another, and they act through different receptor mechanisms. Furthermore, they do not always induce cellular transformation, and are not the only growth factors that induce cellular transformation. Types * TGFα is upregulated in some human cancers. It is produced in macrop...

Tim Stone

@YiJiang @radp is secretly Chacha?

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Possibly. Remember, everyone's a puppet of someone else nowadays

Tim Stone

Ah

Yi Jiang

Except Jon Skeet, but that's only because he controls all of them

Weird, but the script isn't producing such good results now. The only useful line produced so far after six runs is this:

radp

@YiJiang I'm badp's sockpuppet. shocker!

Yi Jiang

8:13 AM

> I'm still hanging on to the fact that some of the users on SO speak really really bad English

Tim Stone

Heh :P

Yi Jiang

Which won't be so bad except for the fact that I've had to manually throw away 90% of the sentences. If only this script could produce lines like that all the time...

Tim Stone

shakes head

radp

I just can't understand why'd you port algorithms to such a poor language as js :/

I mean, sure, you can plug the missing methods in

and much of the language's retardedness is with the browser-specific datatypes like NodeLists

Yi Jiang

@radp ... which have been abstracted away by awesome libraries like jQuery

radp

8:18 AM

@YiJiang ...which are a testament to the poorness of the underlying language.

Instead of fixing the language, let's make a layer of not-as-much-brokeness!

Yi Jiang

@radp Also, you're conflating the DOM with Javascript, which are totally different things!

radp

@YiJiang So why does JS not implement the DOM with native data types?

Tim Stone

JavaScript's lack of String functions makes me sad.

Yi Jiang

You can implement the DOM with any other language - it just happens that Javascript is the one

@radp What do you mean?

radp

Why does JS need a NodeList data type and a List data type?

Tim Stone

8:19 AM

Yeah, it's pretty stupid in Java too because of the types and methods specified in DOM.

radp

where List has all the nice list methods and NodeList is what you actually work with

Tim Stone

/blame DOM specification

radp

NodeList is what functions like document.getElementsByClassName or document.querySelectAll return, to be clear.

George Marian

shudder

Working with the DOM is so much fun...

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian The DOM is really fascinating.

It was like people sat down..

Said "This is how data structures work in every other language"

Yi Jiang

8:22 AM

Hehe.. the script just returned this:

> @radp Also, you're conflating the fact that didn't work out quite as expected. :P

Tim Stone

And then followed with "Let's choose absolutely none of these methods and name our own."

George Marian

Yah, pretty much. It's like it was coded with job security in mind.

Tim Stone

Java tried to make iteration less painful, but since NodeList has no iterator..

Yi Jiang

> @waffles Never heard of SASS. Googled. (: If only there was wondering what Adobe was talking about cancer, no?

Right, so Adobe is talking about cancer... and SASS... or something

Tim Stone

....Right. :P

Yi Jiang

8:26 AM

Okay, this one is absolutely hilarious

> @TimStone Possibly. Remember, everyone's a NodeList data type and such.

Tim Stone

Hah :P

Yi Jiang

> @radp ... which have been abstracted away by awesome libraries like NodeLists

jQuery = NodeLists!

Tim Stone

NodeList itemRefs = itemGroupDefElement.getElementsByTagName("ItemRef");

for (int itemRefIndex = 0; itemRefIndex < itemRefs.getLength(); ++itemRefIndex) {
    Element itemRefElement = (Element)itemRefs.item(itemRefIndex);

sigh

Yi Jiang

Alright, let me fiddle around with some of the constants and see if something better will come up

radp

so how long before Python is ported to Chrome and Firefox? :P

Yi Jiang

8:29 AM

@radp You're going to hate it when the DOM is implemented with it, that's all I'm going to say for now :)

Tim Stone

How do you efficiently minify a whitespace dependent language? ;)

radp

D:

tim: distribute .pyc's

Yi Jiang

> Right, so bad except for the script isn't producing such good results now. The users on SO speak really fascinating.

Hmmm... isn't Dissociated Press suppose to produce grammatically correct sentences?

Tim Stone

It's self-referential!

Dan Grossman

@TimStone Does this language have a function/construct to evaluate code from a string?

Yi Jiang

8:31 AM

@radp Hey, compiled files not welcome here :P

radp

eval I guess

@yij dis.dis ftw :P

Tim Stone

@DanGrossman In reference to the minify comment? I dunno, I'm not a Python person.

Dan Grossman

Then you can compress the code, and eval the compressed code. Adding the decompress/eval code won't add more than you gain from compressing the rest of the file.

especially in a whitespcae dependent language

radp

people many reverse compilers were built with it, although the opensource one is stuck at py2.3 and back

Tim Stone

@radp It should import from the future when they make it compatible with 2.5/3

radp

8:34 AM

yeah, python2 accepts 'gzip' as an encoding :D

(feature removed in py3)

Dan Grossman

:/

"Dive Into Python 3" mentions a gzip module

gzip the source files, you get back a much smaller string, and your minified version of the program is something like eval(gunzip('string'))

radp

python3 is much stricter about differientiating chars and bytes.

this change is a world of good for the language really, it's worth to sacrifice a few gimmicks for that.

and there's the gzip module of course

so you have something like gzip(open("code.gzip")).read()

Dan Grossman

gzip uses the zlib module, which provides Decompress.decompress(string)

docs.python.org/library/functions.html#compile probably useful as well

Joris Meys

Hi all

I can't seem to get on stackoverflow itself, server takes too long to respond. Anybody a clue as to what's going on?

Tim Stone

Hm, seems alright from where I'm sitting.

Dan Grossman

8:44 AM

It's just you, as it was in the other channel

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Q: printing prints slowly for bold text

Hi , i have page , in this page i have around 45 lines , the first 5 lines are document heading, and this document heading css style is just font-family-arial, font-weight bold , and heading inserted inside the td , no more style, problem is , this first 5 line print very dead slow, after ...

Yi Jiang

status-no-repro

Dan Grossman

^ He wants us to make his webpage print out faster at his house...

Joris Meys

darn... nothing wrong with the network here though, so I don't really get it

Dan Grossman

Check DNS, check ping, check traceroute, make the HTTP request manually with a telnet client to port 80... do what programmers do, isolate and debug

Joris Meys

I'm busy...

Dan Grossman

8:49 AM

If you just need to search SO for answers, use Google and do a site search, then use the cache to read the answers

Yi Jiang

Result of running the script on the Javascript room:

> and it's not bad, but I add the kitten, so if you can somebody assist me?

George Marian

@YiJiang lol

Yi Jiang

> and do i have an answering spree! :)

George Marian

@YiJiang That makes me think of the wrong thing.

True story. Some guy in Buffalo was arrested on suspicion of animal cruelty, after he was pulled over and found to have his cat marinating in the trunk of his car.

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian Marinating?

George Marian

8:57 AM

The really sick part, is that it was still alive.

@YiJiang Yeah, soaking in a mix of spices and what not.

Dan Grossman

Ehrm, I think you're supposed to marinate meat, not fur, even when it's an animal you do usually eat...

George Marian

Well, the guy had some issues. He told the cops that the cat was bad, gallivanting around town getting pregnant.

Joris Meys

@DanGrossman : I'd actually like to get on the site itself, I did know the google route

George Marian

Only problem is that his cat was neutered.

Dan Grossman

I don't think coating live cows in BBQ sauce would make burgers taste different

Joris Meys

9:01 AM

but no chance, nothing from here goes out to stackoverflow. It does to other sites, but I can't seem to get further than the intranet when it comes down to stackoverflow. I'll check with the admins

George Marian

The guy was, as the Spanish would say, loco en la cabeza.

radp

@DanGrossman yeah, reqd if you want something more complex than an one-instruction lambda

George Marian

@DanGrossman But, apparently massaging them does. heh

s/apparently/supposedly/

Dan Grossman

I know in PHP land it's not uncommon for people to base64-encode an entire PHP application, and distribute eval(base64_decode('that string')); as anti-piracy obfuscation

radp

@DanGrossman no one will ever guess that!

a bunch of exadecimal with equals at the end, it may be anything!

Yi Jiang

9:06 AM

> I took a button to be working, so straighforward and all that other 'classical' stuff is pretty painful. No need to make any more progress? Also, thank you have an abstract base class is probably a missleading name :-) at it now, hm, seems to of each Class thing

^ Result from the js room

Whatdya think?

radp

"abstract class" in a js room?

Yi Jiang

@radp Not sure, I'll look for the message

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by Ivo Wetzel

@jAndy Yes and a couple of other things, would be quite some overhead to implement something like a command pattern like structure where you have an abstract base class and then sub classes which provide the implementation of the actual execution

I want to run it on something like the C# room

Oh man... this came out of the C++ -> * room:

> programmers are already shoting themselves in a community like i said i'm thinking that A^=B^=A^=B; thing :-)

radp

my eyes

what is that I don't even™

Dan Grossman

9:39 AM

I want to go to the supermarket, but I hate being the only person in there at 4:40AM as the employees try to figure out why I'm awake.

Hypermarket

In commerce, a hypermarket is a superstore which combines a supermarket and a department store. The result is a very large retail facility which carries an enormous range of products under one roof, including full lines of groceries and general merchandise. In theory, hypermarkets allow customers to satisfy all their routine shopping needs in one trip. Overview Hypermarkets, like other big-box stores, typically have business models focusing on high-volume, low-margin sales. Because of their large footprints — a typical Wal-Mart Supercenter covers anywhere from to , and a typical Carre...

I'd like to see a rural North Korean native let loose in that pictured store.

radp

google.com/intl/en/press/zeitgeist2010

@DanGrossman That photo screams "Consume! CONSUME! You NEED all this stuff!"

George Marian

@radp Have a look at the bottom row. :)

Dan Grossman

I wish to consume...

radp

►

@GeorgeMarian I have a cat, yes :)

She's a wild cat though, so all we need to buy her is food.

She does her hunting, her cleaning and her dumps outside.

Low maintenance pets ftw :P

George Marian

9:54 AM

We have two. Purely indoor and spoiled rotten.

radp

Well, my cat is spoiled rotten too obviously.

They're cats we're talking about.

Many mornings I woke up in my bed finding her purring on me :D

George Marian

Despite being fed in the morning, one was mewing in my ear 12:30 yesterday.

radp

@GeorgeMarian Well, cats do have a dozen meals a day normally IIRC.

George Marian

She doesn't like the dry food very much. :)

radp

After all, in the wild, it's hunt, then eat, then hunt again :)

George Marian

9:56 AM

There is usually plenty in the little gravity feeder.

radp

Oooh, fancy stuff.

We just have a drawer with food inside. She stands by the drawer to underline her hunger, I open it, she does the rest (and I go back to my business) :D

George Marian

I think one of them was trying to send me a message by crapping by the door to my room. (I don't allow them in here, as I don't want fur all over the place and, worse yet, I don't want to run one over with my chair.)

@radp lol

radp

That said, some cats are more attention whores than others. I know of friends with cats that unplug routers to attract attention.

George Marian

nice

radp

The owner made the fatal mistake of paying attention to the cat afterwards, who in return learned this new trick.

George Marian

9:59 AM

These cats are quite friendly and loving, not aloof like the "typical" cat.

radp

eh, it's easy to "friend" a wild cat.

George Marian

There more like dogs, in fact.

radp

Feeding a cat reliably and consistently is enough.

George Marian

@radp Feed 'em.

radp

Let 'em in when it's raining and cold outside and bam! you have a pet.

This may not work as well if you live on the 12th floor of a building, however.

George Marian

10:01 AM

One was nearly feral from the treatment it got at the breeder's. I've made him bolt just by sneezing.

Not much irony in that, in retrospect.

radp

My cat shudders when I rub her on her back, two thirds between head and tail attachment

I guess her sterilization wasn't painless :(

George Marian

awww

radp

I think it was a really dumb move to neuter her however.

She's the only female cat in the area.

George Marian

The female licks the air when you rub the right spots. It's adorable.

radp

:D

As much as it'd have sucked for us to have her breed by us, it would've made a lot of sense for the area to have a whole female cat around.

bbl train

George Marian

10:04 AM

Train? Commuting? heh

radp

10:19 AM

yep :) much faster than going home with a car actually

although I do wish I lived closer than 60km from university.

George Marian

Yah, that's a bit of a distance.

radp

the awesomest part of having a pet wild cat is her independence.

she owns ours and two more families, plus she can hunt.

That means we can leave lengthy times for vacation and leave her here and be confident we'll find her well when we come back.

George Marian

Yah, that makes things much easier.

Yi Jiang

Oy!

George Marian

We'd have to make arrangements for any kind of a long time away. Granted, having fish is part of that, too.

@YiJiang Yah, I feel you there. I should be sleeping.

Yi Jiang

10:29 AM

@GeorgeMarian Look at the edit history of that message :P I was just hiding my mistake

George Marian

History? When did they add that? heh

radp

I hate it when opera mobile swallows my messages.

George Marian

I'm not a big fan of Opera.

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian Given it's Opera Mobile, there's usually no other choice there

radp

opera mobile is the only real browser for symbian.

George Marian

10:32 AM

Ah.

radp

it's actually incredibly featured for the platform, it even does web fonts and client side js

..on a 150eur handset

this particular bug is irritating however

radp

11:23 AM

since we aren't speaking of commuting I'd like to send my heartfelt 'fuck you too' to ATB for its cleverly engineered timetables, carefully crafted to best waste my time

Yi Jiang

@radp What's 'ATB'?

Dan Grossman

something transit board?

radp

train arrives at minute 58, my coincidence leaves at minutes 59 and 30, with 2 minutes of walk betwwen train station and bus station

Dan Grossman

ugh

radp

@dan bingo!

Yi Jiang

11:26 AM

Dissociated Press:

> @GeorgeMarian The script just Programmers. Seems to be confident we'll find her well when we need to buy her hunting, her cleaning and her is food.

Dan Grossman

Today's news: "Thinking about food will cause you to eat less food. Imagine eating 30 pieces of candy and you will eat less real food."

radp

what's best is that my time to travel from bus to home is 10m on bus and 40m on foot

Yi Jiang

The hunting, cleaning and food bit are from the cat conversation above

George Marian

lol I was wondering WTF?

Dan Grossman

It's 6AM and I've decided not to sleep today

George Marian

11:28 AM

@DanGrossman I used to do that a lot.

Dan Grossman

These TV commercials concern me... "4 piece sofa set $2999. No deposit required, no interest loan guaranteed, don't make a single payment for the next 2 years!" -- 2 years is a long time to assume the buyer will remain employed and able to pay for their furniture

George Marian

@DanGrossman Agreed.

Dan Grossman

<~ Wants a lower tax bill. Must spend more.

Benjol

11:49 AM

@DanGrossman Doesn't it say somewhere in the smallprint "don't worry, if you can't pay we will repossess your house"?

radp

12:08 PM

Does people from Meta read Basic Instructions regularly?

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George Marian

@radp What makes you say that?

radp

@GeorgeMarian Have you read the comic? :)

George Marian

@radp Yup.

Well, that one.

radp

Compare and contrast:

Dear Next Person Who Opens a Pluralization 'Bug', I will personally come to your house and bludgeon you to death with a giant S

Tweeted by codinghorror on February 1, 2009 at 2:33 AM

George Marian

@radp Sure, there's a certain snarkiness.

Well, I'm going to have another go at this sleep thing.

@MarcGravell I'm at your service. ;)

Oh yah, it puts the name in there,

Rejoice rejoice kbd is back

12:27 PM

@radp yes they do.

radp

@Rejoicerejoicekbdisback I figured.

Rejoice rejoice kbd is back

@radp the only person out of sync is Korneel Bouman, who actually manages a "thank you" on bug reports and feature requests, and an explanation when he marks something "status-declined" (gasp!)
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/70678/stackoverflow-careers-add-ability-to-search-by-career-level

That guy needs to be careful.

Yi Jiang

@Rejoicerejoicekbdisback My god! Politeness on MSO! Back in my days...

Rejoice rejoice kbd is back

@YiJiang don't worry, he is the exception.

Piers Myers

Has anyone else noticed that the Tags on the SO User page don't line up in Firefox or IE? They look ok in Chrome though.

Yi Jiang

12:34 PM

@PiersMyers Yeah, the CSS has been casuing that. Removing the margin-top rule fixes it though

/blame @waffles

radp

12:46 PM

Speaking of new things

what's the MSO question about the new tag - title format for question page titles?

I couldn't find anything about it.

Yi Jiang

@radp I don't think there is - the team doesn't usually create new posts announcing changes unless it's big

There is one question complaining about how annoying that thing is though

radp

Well, there'll be a question complaining about it though.

hah, found it.

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Q: First tag in the title of the page is not that convenient.

After some recent changes whenever I open a question the page title reads <first-queston-tag>-<question title>-Stack Overflow. Tags are often quite long - for example there's visual-studio-2008 tag on SO. If browser uses tabs the tag might occupy all the tab width and no room for act...

bug tags

adds self

At any rate I wish Google didn't have to jumble extensions, themes, links and apps together in the same "store"

Yi Jiang

@radp I still don't "get" the store thingadongdong

radp

@YiJiang It covers extensions, themes, apps-that-actually-are-links and apps-that-actually-are-apps (and you can't distinguish between the last two).

Indeed I haven't yet found an app-that-actually-is-an-app, mainly because having apps in the home page is annoying.

Reno

o_o have they stopped incrementing reputation point on a vote up for a comment ?

Yi Jiang

12:56 PM

@Reno O_o When did you think voting on comments had any effect on reputation?

Reno

@YiJiang im pretty sure i saw my reputation jump when i wrote epic comments :O

Benjol

@Reno, you imagined that

Reno

(._.') i guess no moar bonus points for me

Yi Jiang

@Reno Unrelated - check the FAQ on reputations

Yi Jiang

1:29 PM

@TimStone Right, your nightmare has came true. I've given Ivo my script and now KittenBot can now hold conversations

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Rebecca Chernoff

Erm, then I think it should move to its own room. >_<

Dan Grossman

So quick into moderator mode

radp

This is MSO... no blues for rchern.

...only happiness!

with chat bots!

Yi Jiang

How do you explain all the backward frowns?

Fosco

Happy Friday everyone

radp

1:35 PM

@YiJiang Lack of chat bots.

Reno

FRIIIDAAAAY

Yi Jiang

@radp But of course!

radp

@YiJiang I'm glad to bring you enlightenment.

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Q: Can accounts be merged?

I have posted on tex.stackexchange as an unregistered user for some time. But it seems that this lead to two accounts with my name. Now on one of my PC the site no longer recognized me, so I created a real account with an openid. And now I have three identities: (user 955, 958 and 2388). Can this...

support moderation

free reps

I have lunch to account for now though

radp

1:56 PM

U no want free meta reps?

I go get free meta reps

Yi Jiang

2:08 PM

You know what I said about the talkative badge?

in Sandbox on Stack Overflow Chat, Dec 7 at 0:29, by Linuxmint

can someone plz star my post

Yeah, it's happening. Only in the Sandbox though, but still...

Benjol

I'd be interested to know what your take on this is:

33

Q: How about newlines within comments ?

I am aware that comments have only a simple field, with no formatting possible and that is fine (if formatting is needed, your comment should actually be an answer!) But I find some comments hard to read because they are mainly one giant line (of up to 600 characters!). Any newlines entered duri...

feature-request status-declined comments

radp

@Benjol I completely agree with the current implementation

Yi Jiang

@Benjol I supported the original proposal to change it to the way it is now, and I still think that the current implementation is the best

Reno

yeah

Benjol

Just to be clear - it's not about return = submit

(though they're related)

radp

2:11 PM

No newlines sucks when you comment about Python, but comments do not need to take more space than they do now.

Benjol

It was whether to allow multiline comments

radp

They are 2nd class citizens after all

Benjol

(Also in the context of the strife on math)

radp

If you want to link to something more than a one liner there's always pastebin/etc.

@Benjol Math shouldn't complain at all, when they can newline with $$$$

(that's an empty display equation and takes much more space than a newline too.)

Benjol

@radp, it newlines too much though (to my eyes)

radp

2:12 PM

@Benjol Yes it does :)

It's the same kind of abuse that people do when they post comments shorter than 15 chars however

Yi Jiang

@Benjol Do not support - the implementation he's talking about is incredibly complex compared to how simple it is now

Benjol

I think that given the amount of grief that the [enter=submit] feature is generating, it would be worth rolling back, just for the sake of peace.

radp

how are No. [ ](http://i.like.kittens/) and ...blah $$$$ blah... really different :)

Benjol

(Either that or we go the other way and have auto-complete in comments :)

radp

Since I want to be able to do the former, I can't complain about people doing the latter.

Oh well.

Yi Jiang

2:14 PM

@Benjol It would, but what would happen to the original supporter of that proposal? (sigh)

radp

@Benjol Honestly, I have seen 0 grief at gaming

see, people who like change does not complain about it all the time

but don't be fooled into thinking nobody likes change, just because those who don't want it are very vocal!

Benjol

44

Q: Pressing Enter in comment box unexpectedly submits form

I don't think I'm going any more crazy than normal, but I'm surprised I can't see any other meta mention so far. This started happening recently on at least SO and ubuntu.SE, and occurs in at least IE and Firefox. So I'm guessing it's a deliberate feature not [bug]. But I'm not keen. It's not st...

support comments user-interface

radp

yeah, 47 people, how many regulars are there in Meta again?

Benjol

to be honest, I'm fine with the new functionality, but you've got to admit that post got a heck of a lot of votes

radp

I mean seriously now. :|

Benjol

2:18 PM

Yeah well, there is a gigantic culture clash problem on math.se, I don't know if anyone saw it coming.

Reno

wait what ?

Yi Jiang

@Benjol The fact is that, after a while on Meta, you realize that votes on Meta doesn't really mean anything

radp

People are jumping from SE 1.0 to SE 2.0 and have trouble accepting anything that has changed in the meantime. :|

Benjol

Seen from the MO people's perspective, SE people are spoiling their fun; from SE people's perspective, MO people are a bunch of rude louts :)

radp

That's my view, because it's all people continue to complain about.

OMFG CAPTCHAS. OMFG RETURN IN COMMENTS. OMFG JEFF ATWOOD.

That said, about return in comments, deceze has a very very valid point.

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A: Pressing Enter in comment box unexpectedly submits form

A huge problem that probably very few have noticed so far: This new behavior completely screws people using IMEs. I-what you ask? Input Method Editors for writing complex languages. For example, to input "入力" I have to type n-y-u-u-r-y-o-k-u-[space]-[enter]. The last enter, which is necessary to...

Benjol

2:21 PM

Yeah, and it hasn't been addressed yet, as far as I know

radp

I guess that's the main reason why they haven't tagged it status-declined/status-bydesign yet.

Benjol

What shocked me the most were comments on meta.math basically saying "yeah, well he's a very smart guy, so he should get special treatment"...

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Reno

speeshul people you say ? .. hmm

radp

@Benjol because you haven't seen the Captcha questions, which basically say "yeah, well we're a very smart site, so we should get special treatment".

Benjol

hohum, how crazy am I, worrying about the meta of a site where I don't even have an account? :)

radp

2:26 PM

Because we care about SE 2.0 and thus care about Maths and MO

Benjol

@radp, yeah, well that might work for MO, but the stated aim of Math.se is to reach out to the masses, so that doesn't work too well.

radp

If MO decided to go "with hell with you, we're going Shapado" (say), that'd be a big loss for SOIS, Inc.

Who knows, maybe they'd even enjoy getting their Interesting Person badges. =_=

Benjol

As I see it, a troll is a troll is a troll, whether he be smart/boffin/professor or whatever. And trolls are toxic for any community.

radp

Eh, I wouldn't label him a troll, but certainly his ego is bigger than mine.

I wouldn't mind having Jeff start an email to me with "hey badp" at the very least.

Benjol

@radp, in fact, I wasn't thinking of that person in particular in my previous line :)

Reno

2:30 PM

happy holidays guys

Benjol

he's more of an 'internet curmudgeon' (someone called me that once, I quite like the expression :)

@Reno, already? what time zone are you in? :) Oh, you mean the weekend?

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