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3:12 PM
Got a question to informally bounce off someone more au fait with stackoverflow workings than me... is this the right place for that?
 
shoot
 
If you answer someone's question well, and they basically nick your answer adapt it slightly, and post their own answer... am I right to be slightly pissed off?
Cos I am. It sounds petty but there it is.
The question in question, so to speak: stackoverflow.com/questions/4407553/…
Wondering what recourse I have to indicate my displeasure within the site ethos.
 
I'm just sorry I didn't get to post this in time
 
say what?
 
It was a joke :)
Now, onto your problem
First off, have a sympathy upvote
 
3:18 PM
ah! my apologies :)
Am bit noobish here
It really isn't a big problem. But this guy really pissed me off... I originally answered him in 5 minutes, then he asks for more help, so I spend an hour writing the perfect solution, and then he says he's rejecting the answer and using his own one which is almost exactly the same (and adopts the original answer).
Am sure I shouldn't care this much. :)
Do I downvote his question or something? What are the options?
 
@ReubenScratton He surely doesn't
You've explained why his answer is poor, so the next logic thing is downvoting it.
 
Ok, that does make sense.
Cheers. I tell you, it's a thankless task helping out Android noobs!
 
for the rest, he's only "depriving" you of 15 rep, which you can still get via upvotes.
 
True enough. It just smacked of rank ingratitude. Rubbed me the wrong way to say the least.
Many thanks for clueing me in to the right thing to do.
 
Here have a second sympathy upvote
 
3:25 PM
Haha, thanks, but I'll start feeling like a rep whore now, if there is such a thing! :)
 
there is such a thing, but it was a good answer in it's own right, I just never venture into Android land
 
I heard we were handing out sympathy votes, so I jumped on it.
 
@mootinator sleep man, you should try it ;)
 
It's 10:30
 
@ReubenScratton Just think of this, next time you'll need that kind of radio button, you'll have all the hard work done already.
 
3:28 PM
what a cool place this is! Wish I'd paid more attention to stackoverflow...
Actually I can't imagine ever needing that kind of radiobutton. :)
 
@mootinator bah, you think I'm gonna let a little thing like that stop me?
@ReubenScratton welcome and spend a little time with us ;)
 
Cheers, yeah am starting to think the world of this place. My partner thinks I'm getting obsessed...
 
Do you keep timetables?
It may be a problem for those :P
 
@radp lmao @TimStone has that problem too ;)
 
By the way, this room is mostly general chit chat and network-wide discussion, if you want a more programming-focused room you should try chat.stackoverflow.com
 
3:30 PM
Answering q's does consume an increasing amount of worktime...
However, most answers to my dev issues seem to be here now too... so it balances out.
I'll check out the different chat rooms soon as i can
Just sticking around a while out of appreciation, seeing what goes on. :)
 
We don't get hopping in here for another hour or so. Javascript on chat.SO is where there's action on a regular basis. And we do appreciate the intent of hanging out here in appreciation, but it's not necessary necessarily.
 
@drachenstern I just got in, so let the hopping begin
 
@MichaelMrozek lmao, I still say wait till @rchern and @TimStone make it in ...
 
I'm pretty sure @RebeccaChernoff is always here; she just stops talking periodically
 
now you've gone and flagged her ;)
 
3:40 PM
Of course the answer to "How do you get people interested in chatting on StackOverflow?" would be jQuery.
 
jQuery is awesome and does all things.
 
I hope this new PM catches on to the fact I get more work done when he's not e-mailing or calling me every 20 minutes.
 
so how long would you say a kminute is? :P
 
It's a silent k.
Like knight.
 
@drachenstern that's obviously 1,000 minutes.
 
3:43 PM
@radp I agree.
 
one kilominute, two kilominutes, six or eight weeks, four kilominutes, ...
 
Can't be abbreviated as km though.
 
kmin.
 
kmin seems ambiguous too.
It isn't.
But it seems that way
 
with what, kilominimum? :P
meh, people don't use Mm but it still exists.
phear the megameter!
 
3:45 PM
K<sub>min</sub> is something
 
naah you're going off base there
the k must be lower case!
and no sub!
 
That's why I said it isn't, but seems that way.
 
oh the discussions I start moments before coworkers enter my office
 
Hooray!
 
so: IIS and user logins.
 
3:51 PM
Just reached 10k rep on SO
 
It has them
 
I have setup a forms/Windows-auth based app (meaning either forms auth or windows auth, dual options exist simultaneously)
edge case: machine on windows network, not joined to domain, users want integrated windows auth...
FUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.......................
 
status-declined
 
Solution: Require joining to the domain or IWA is not available. Business requirement, not technical requirement.
Also #MayTheForceBeWithKatie Day. For those not on Twitter (or rather, for those living unner a rock. A small rock.)
 
I'm on Twitter, and have no idea what you're talking about.
 
3:54 PM
I need a jedi robe
 
DONT make such things rely on a standard font-size of 16px
 
status-declined
 
Someone called for me? ;) yawns 'Ello all.
 
Hi Jimmy.
 
Yellow ~ The new and improved version of 'Ello
Because it's important to be both new and improved simultaneously
 
3:59 PM
@IvoWetzel Hmm, @YiJiang had that problem too...
@drachenstern Of course, it's the only way to be.
 
@TimStone Well the margin-top + font-size < 16px were the cause
Tavern's missing someone...
 
@IvoWetzel It isn't @DanGrossman
 
Yeah, but it ends up looking OK for (I think) most people, so I wasn't sure what the rendering difference was for you two.
 
Hello
 
@TimStone Well, standard font-size is set to 16px everywhere and SO uses relative font-sized(stupid IMO), but at least I have it set to 14px
I can't stand big text
 
4:01 PM
Ah
 
What do you get when you cross Tyler and a truncated Latin dance? @TylerChacha
 
Oh, looking at the screenshot closer I can see that now, heheh.
 
@drachtenstern Ooh, meta humour I haven't come across before.
 
Now that's mildly entertaining and quite funny
 
4:26 PM
I should do something about my desktop ... I tend to use it as a junkbox
If only Microsoft had given me a specific location on disk to handle such a situation ...
 
Hahah, wow. I thought mine was getting bad, now I don't feel so bad. ;)
 
@drachenstern The recycle bin?
 
oh hello OO.o installation files that don't delete themselves after a successful installation, wtf r u doing there?
 
c:\Windows\Temp?
 
actually no, you shouldn't use %WindowsDir%\Temp
 
4:29 PM
%profile%\Temp?
 
yarr, or I think there's a %profiletemp% or something you can hook
 
It's just %temp%
Boooring
 
oh is that so? interesting
so anywayssssss
 
I named my laptop PROJECTMAYHEM2
 
nice
 
4:32 PM
My client was quite concerned the first time I tried to do a remote support session as a result.
 
@mootinator Hahah, very nice.
 
Behold the heresy:
Green bar > Blue bar
 
You heathen!
 
I might do it on SO too. Green bar > Grey bar
 
@MichaelMrozek I'm not 100% on how that'll look next to the orange-topped logo, heh.
 
4:39 PM
down to 233 files, 9 folders, 32.7MB
 
Yeesh
 
I guess I should've factored in the font color
 
If people would have let me just write this code in the first place there wouldn't have been so much arguing about it.
 
why did you make the StackExchange bar green?
 
17 mins ago, by Michael Mrozek
Green bar > Blue bar
 
4:52 PM
We've hit 103k messages in the Tavern
 
@TylerChacha oh noes, what have we done??? ;)
 
@TylerChacha At this rate, we'll overtake 4chan within the year
 
We'll never overtake 4chan
Someone with moot in their alias would never design something which could be overtaken by a mere chat room.
 
'Ello @Mana, I see you ventured over here from Gaming. :)
 
Yup! 'Ello. :)
 
5:01 PM
When are we going to be able to join all the chats on StackExchange in one client..
Right now I have 3 tabs open... that should be 1
 
oh ya, we really should look into making a nice SE app for these chatrooms.
 
@MARCGRAVELL!!!!!
 
Maybe one that integrates them into viewing the site as well.
 
...I've been asking for that since about day 1. I don't think it is likely...
 
I mean, the current one is great for individual sites, but for us power users that want to be involved EVERYWHERE, we need a nicer interface
 
5:02 PM
Well, can't we develop our own?
 
@RebeccaChernoff Can you build that into your SEChat Script thingy?
:P
 
We could even make our own web browser specifically designed for SE sites.
since if trends are any indication 50% of the web will be SE sites by 2012
5
 
@RebeccaChernoff I don't think that there's a great demand for it, since there's likely not that many people who spend equally large amount of time on more than one chat site.
 
I'm busy creating 102content.com/triton
 
@Mana I should think assisting Josh in getting the XMPP bridged app to work would be sufficient, no?
 
5:05 PM
@drachenstern I haven't really been poking into apps much, actually. I should probably figure out what people have been doing with them so far.
 
So here's an interesting XP bug (yes yes, I'm still on XP, shoot me, please)
 
shoots
 
Direct screen capture from having a 1080p next to a 900p screen
I like having my taskbar on my middle monitor, but I seem to be missing a few folders
 
@drachenstern I shot you .. why are you still talking?
 
Adamantium skull
Everyone always thought I was thickskulled ... they just never knew how thick
<crickets>
thank you thank you ... I'll be here all night. Try the veal
 
5:13 PM
poisons the veal
 
shoots Mana
 
My hand is made out of carbonadium, and I blocked the bullet with my hand using some extraordinary reflexes. How's that for godmodding?
 
I mean, it's ok if you like that sort of thing ... >_>
 
@drachenstern re: tag-in-title positioning, we already thought to ask ;)
 
@TimStone well I never saw it :p
 
5:17 PM
Though on second though, I totally should have had @RebeccaChernoff write the post, and then gone to actually ask myself on account of the repz. :P
@drachenstern Oh, I know, I was just stating we were all thinking the same thing.
 
@drachenstern So by your logic, the tree doesn't make a sound? :(
 
@TimStone I suppose I could've gone to the linked WA question huh? That would've been too easy. Also, helps to have questions repeated and then answered on MSO so people quit asking them ;)
@Mana er... I think we've gotten off on the wrong foot. Hi, my name's drach and I am of no consequence. Nice to meetcha
 
@drachenstern Oh, I suppose, but that wasn't my point. I was more independently verifying the response. ;)
 
@TimStone andIThankYouGoodSir
 
Naturally
 
5:21 PM
So since it's Friday, why doesn't it feel like a Friday?
Ooooh I gotta go get my keys to my new apartment :D
 
That...is a good question.
Very nice. :D
 
i took monday off, i suspect tomorrow will feel like Friday.
 
I took last Friday off (sick day) so maybe that's why
 
my hosting provider got hit with a DDOS attack, so i got some time off while they moved us to a new server
 
Ouch, that sucks.
 
5:23 PM
nah, good timing - cataclysm just launched
5
 
Hahah
 
@Gallen Downright suspicious in fact. "Gallen, why are you playing WoW instead of working?" "Well, mysteriously our hosting provider got hit with a DDOS attack at the exact moment I finished installing the game. It's weird"
 
@MichaelMrozek lmao, alternately: @AnonymousAnnouncer new target for LOIC: {hosting provider} ;)
how cool would it be to have the option to be able to call up anonymous and to bring the LOIC to bear?
 
s/cool/scary/g
 
@Mana indeed that too
who else here uses hg?
trying to figure out if my workflow is horked?
 
5:30 PM
raises hand
 
I work off branch in folder F:\hg\app
 
puts hand back down
 
I commit all things, then goto f:\deploy\app and clone the repo fresh
I open a new VS and open f:\deploy\app then build off that, making any site-specific changes to web.config
then I publish the changes to f:\compiled\app (via the build system)
then I push those compiled binaries to the specific site
since f:\hg\app may have testing changes that aren't going to be committed necessarily
should I just be shelving instead?
 
I'd like to answer your question, but honestly I've only recently started to use hg, so I couldn't consider my opinion anything close to credible. :/
 
am I not being lazy enough?
@TimStone ok, does it have a "code smell" to it?
 
5:36 PM
I'm not sure. I mean, it does seem like there are a number of steps, and they involve a lot on your part, but at the same time I'm not sure how you'd streamline the process. What sort of site-specific changes are you making, and are you making the same ones each time for a particular site?
 
Hello
 
@TimStone so like connection string config settings changes (which I've finally gotten everyone to understand that those should be in a separate file that can be tracked independently and etc) or app_settings (still in web.config) etc. No per-file-per-site changes, those are mostly eradicated (except that the boss has decided softcoding is a good idea :blech: )
 
Where is that information maintained? Like, as far as your being able to put it in via VS as part of the build?
 
Yeah, so we don't ... yet. :( :( :( It's on my list of things to do on a free saturday (or when we get another intern and I can turn him loose on some internal stuff) to put together a database replete with web-UI so we can update those things and maintain them etc... Mostly from a spreadsheet right now, mixed with prior knowledge.
What I want to do is add a table or two to aspnetdb for site-specific (and these may already exist, haven't cared to look) settings and then gen a set of scripts that can update those to be current and include sane defaults where not present so we can do away with the app_settings and include just the one connection string per site.
and then we just provide a page in our management tool that lets us modify those settings and put some api hooks in to update those values as necessary in a singleton class
To my way of understanding that would be more performant anyways
 
Man, I'm learning so much! I'm on Tavern, Javascript, Gaming, and Cooking's chat rooms
 
5:49 PM
but I'm going to add that when I add the sitemap-from-SQL option later (which is built but waiting on implementation details, like if the boss wants it in the first place)
@TylerChacha I know, I love listening to what everyone else talks about
 
@TylerChacha That last one is funny for all sorts of reasons. :P
 
@TimStone Name 2
 
@drachenstern Ah, OK. Hm...since originally I was thinking that you could have versioned copies of these site-specific configurations that could be automatically merged when you push from the dev repository to the build repository. Then you could theoretically automate the build step too, since it wouldn't require intervention on your part.
 
@TylerChacha learning lots of things from "Gaming" chat room, learning lots of things from "Tavern" chat room :p ... the idea that there are that many people just bristling with information on Cooking chat ready to share it at a moment's notice ... those jump to my mind
 
@TylerChacha Mostly related to @mootinator's onion question and then the majority of their chat transcript being about said question.
 
5:51 PM
@TimStone so we don't maintain a separate build repo. I should probably do that tho :(
 
@TimStone Did someone say my name?
 
@TimStone I've considered doing it
@mootinator waves hand these are not the droids you are looking for
 
@mootinator
 
is there a good windows gui for GIT out there?
 
@drachenstern Well, I guess I mostly just mean in the sense of cloning to the build directory. But there's probably a more formal procedure as well (I'm still learning how it all is meant to work, so that I can replace Subversion for our work processes).
 
5:53 PM
barks
 
@Gallen Git GUI?
 
@mootinator I was just highlighting your fame over on Cooking, of course.
 
I use Git GUI for Window and GitX for Mac
 
@TimStone so then can I issue a command like hg -clone -from http://whatever/dev -to http://whatever/build? that would be sweet. I didn't think hg had that functionality
 
@TylerChacha thanks
 
5:54 PM
Additionally, we don't really use MSBuild to automate anything, I should probably take time to learn how to do that, figure I'll do it after I start logging our config settings per site to a db
 
@TimStone Yes. When can I do a repuation recalc on cooking so I can complain again?
 
alternately my prior design idea might be just what I need, push it all to the individual site ;)
 
@drachenstern Oh, I was just going off what you said with reference to "cloning." How do you get it into that folder now? :P
@drachenstern Yeah, that seems suitable too :)
@mootinator Hahah
 
@TimStone hg -clone whatever/dev
 
Ah, OK.
 
5:56 PM
@TimStone simple. works. not broken. ;) just not lazy enough
I want to be lazier
 
I can probably lend you some laziness.
 
still pushing for that line of "too lazy" ... I don't think people grok what I mean tho when I say lazy
 
It comes mixed in with a portion of insanity, but..
 
lol, that it does
what I love is when my co-devs compile the branch that has the .hg dir in it
 
@TylerChacha they feature tortoisegit on the git homepage, is it the same as tortoisesvn pretty much?
 
5:58 PM
@drachenstern I'm assuming that it takes all of that as part of the build? Hahah
 
@Gallen the tortoisehg is pretty much the same as tortoisesvn but tailored for hg instead of svn, they should be the same more or less
@TimStone it does indeed. and the deltas can have full classes in them ...
in the same namespace
with the same member declarations
yeah, VS does NOT like that one
rather, the compiled version
 
Hahah, nice.
 

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