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Q: What effects does each Star Trek Online damage type have?

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Star Trek online has several damage types that weapons can cause. For example, I can recall Phaser, Disruptor, Plasma and Kinetic quickly off the top of my head. I've noticed that Phasers always have a chance at stunning the target for a short time on the ground, and in space, I believe, a chance...

10:02 PM

Meta won't help here seeing as it's going back and forth really quickly

that would simply translate to a flood of comments

or several answers, where each answer can be voted upon to reach consensus.

@alexanderpas Sorry. Answer flood with a comment flood each.

honestly I think we were just having fun with arguing, I don't really seen the need to stop unless their is gaming content to discuss

if there is an answer flood, people are not reading and/or the answers are bad.

the best discussions are done written on a non-real time way.

if this would be a good topic for meta, it would be a question asked here with an answer, and no back-and-forth

10:07 PM

I think you're both wrong

me too, but I thought we were just having fun

example: scientists vs. theists -- some theists can spew so many lies in two minutes, it takes the scientist 2 days to reply properly, with all references, which the theist will not read, but instead, the theist will come with completely unrelated points to make his point.

@alexanderpas so we're theists

I think that's a little offensive to theists

why do you think certain theist like TV-debates?

10:10 PM

certainly there are many people who believe in god who take time and consider position

as there are many people who do not believe in god who will come up with completely unrelated points

@alexanderpas I think attention whores like TV-debates

@tzenes note the certain theists and some theists.

sorry, where did you say certain theists?

@tzenes there is a certain likelihood for specific people to be theists

" some theists can spew so many lies in two minutes"

now is game-rec dead?

some is different than certain

some implies its characteristic of the group, certain does not

10:12 PM

no it doesn't

also, hehehe "snot"

well thats your opinion, and you're entitled to it

some people do this does not imply that 'people' do this

that's true

some just means a subset does it

but they do imply it is characteristic of the group

10:13 PM

no

yes

do I really have to quote a dictionary?

it is a characteristic of the subset of the group.

some
[suhm; unstressed suhm] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
being an undetermined or unspecified one: Some person may object.
2.
(used with plural nouns) certain: Some days I stay home.
3.
of a certain unspecified number, amount, degree, etc.: to some extent.
4.
unspecified but considerable in number, amount, degree, etc.: We talked for some time. He was here some weeks.

feel free, since I'm discussing connotation its irrelevant

10:14 PM

the connotation doesn't exist

some means certain

as I said, that's your opinion

connotation always is

technically certain means some, not the other way around

in this case, it only means what @alexanderpas made it to mean

1 min ago, by alexanderpas

it is a characteristic of the subset of the group.

some [...] 2. (used with plural nouns) certain

10:15 PM

some is a collective noun

the connotation is @alexanderpas's alone

that's not entirely true

connotations are shared across culture

theists is a plural noun.

so what I say means whatever you decide it means?

then arguing is definitely pointless

@ArdaXi thats usually how interpretation works

10:17 PM

do we need to go ask on english.stackexchange.com ?

unless the person in question explains himself

if I say "If I say some it means a subset" you can't say "you meant the entire group"

very well, @alexanderpas do you think quick responses are characteristic of theists in a way that is not characteristic of non-theists

quick responses are characteristic of some theists when they experience content that goes against their view of the world (note the some, and the area qualifier.)

that's not what I asked

FallenAngelEyes

I'd replace "theists" with "people" there :P

10:21 PM

@tzenes yes it is

I asked "do you think quick responses are characteristic of theists in a way that is not characteristic of non-theists "

Fallen's answer is "no," he believes this is not characteristic of either group more than the other

I was interested in alexander's answer

@alexanderpas ik zou echt niet weten wat je zou kunnen zeggen in het engels dat niet anders geinterpreteerd kan worden..

you could say: yes

but then you might say you interpret that as "yes, but I don't"

apparently

I'm not trying to argue the point, I'm trying to determine his opinion

10:25 PM

yes, but according to you he cannot unambiguously express his opinion

as to my question, yes he can

a simple yes or no would suffice

1 min ago, by Arda Xi

but then you might say you interpret that as "yes, but I don't"

Quick responses are characteristic of some theists, who, unlike atheists, have a non-standard world-view (i.e. 6000 year old earth), so, when presented with things that goes against this are quick to respond, where atheists, with a standard worldview, are unable to have a quick response.

see, that wasn't so hard

and, yes or no would be a quick response, and therefor, a logical fallacy

10:26 PM

that's what he's been saying all along

or mean you're a theist

@tzenes only if you completely disregard what he just said, as I predicted

NGYARGH! I'm here.

O hai!

@arda that was a quick response

10:27 PM

@tzenes so?

Hey @alex

@GraceNote A sane person. Yay!

Are you a theist then?

Let me guess: badp is already gone and the discussion I was summoned for is over?

@tzenes No, I am not.

@GraceNote Correct.

10:28 PM

Hey, @Arda

I'm a Pastafarian.

hmmm, too bad, it sort of disprove his statement...

@tzenes It wasn't a statement, it was an opinion.

So, do I still need to explain it all?

@tzenes And that wasn't his opinion either

He still said some

10:29 PM

true, it was an opinion, but that doesn't mean its not a statement

which means, not all

he said some for theists, not for atheists

@tzenes it's still not what he said

if you say some for thing one and not for thing two what is the logical implication?

A includes B, does not mean B includes A

10:29 PM

why did you put me in a position where I'm defending someone else's opinion?

@tzenes that some was implied?

I'm not saying his opinion is wrong

@Arda You tend to end up defending the oddest of things, I've noticed

@tzenes yes you are

I believe the convention is the opposite, but I'd have to double check

@GraceNote I guess I'm just way too confrontational :(

2 mins ago, by tzenes

hmmm, too bad, it sort of disprove his statement...

10:31 PM

@Arda You once defended my viewpoint from me.

@tzenes you are unable to say someones opinion is wrong, you could say you disagree however.

Some dogs go to the movies, while cats do not?

@GraceNote But you're sane!

I said it disproves the statement, not that your opinion is wrong

That I am.

10:31 PM

The statement was the opinion

"Some dogs go to the movies, while cats do not?" Does this imply some cats or all cats?

@tzenes Saying it disproves the opinion is saying the opinion is wrong

@tzenes Depends on how you interpret it, as I've learnt today

And curses! This means I no longer have a reason to link that image or explain an example of a specific question that I abandoned asking!

no, it disproves the statement does not imply the opinion is wrong

@tzenes So disproving something isn't saying it's wrong?

10:32 PM

@Grace would a question which helps only one person be inappropriate?

What part of disproving am I not understanding here

@ArdaXi opinions can't be wrong

Well, it depends, @tzenes

@tzenes Then how can you disprove them

that you, that is sufficient

10:33 PM

You can't have a wrong opinion, you can merely have an opinion, that is not true.

Let's take two examples.

Alexander understands it Arda

I don't see how wrong and untrue are not the same thing

"How do I get up there?" is a question with limited audience, possibly only one.

is that MMT?

10:34 PM

No, this is Bunny Must Die

@alexanderpas Wrong actually has 'not true' as its definition.

I was going to say it looked different

wrong = not right, not true = false.

@alexanderpas Wrong = Not correct or true

This question will probably get 0 votes, but it stands as a simple enough question that not only can be answered, but fits on the site.

10:35 PM

the association is different.

Compare a question I considered asking, about Final Fantasy XII

"What the heck is Yuna wearing in FFX-2?"

"Don't these girls get cold?"

right and wrong are moral judgments, true and false are objective facts

Good question, for the lolz

I'm having difficulties defeating the Behemoth King, not limited to the fact that I: probably am underleveled (despite defeating the Hell Wyrm), refuse to use Quickenings, am running an impromptu class challenge, and use Active Time Battle.

Besides the extremely limited audience to both questions, the other aspect both share is the fact that neither can really be retooled to a more general question without completely failing to address the author's need

10:37 PM

(I should be playing worms BTW)

The former because there's nothing more general possible, the latter because it would dilute the applicability of all answers to what I really need.

I think badp would be satisfied with that answer

@tzenes Wait, wasn't @badp arguing against me?

no, he was arguing that a question that helped one person should be allowed

and I agreed with him

and it seems to me @GraceNote does too

10:39 PM

now I don't think that's the only criteria

Neither is a "good" question, but I would still ask the first one. The latter one just isn't worth anyone's time to work on, while the former is an idle curiosity more than a personal issue

only that the number of people helped by the question is not the determining factor

so then I'm the only one dissatisfied? good.

yes, I wouldn't say having one person find the answer useful is not an ideal quality

@tzenes On a tangent, how did you defeat the first boss of MMT?

10:41 PM

Are you kidding? I got half way through the first level before I ran out of lives

Oooh

also there was a part where I came to a cliff I couldn't cross

I'll put up a question about it later when I get home

Make sure to include a screenshot!

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I have a screenshot and everythign

haha, yes

MMT?

10:48 PM

Mukashi Mukashi Arutokoro ni Totetsumonaku Naka no Warui Twintail no Shimai Himesama ga Irasshaimashitatosa

oh

yes

MMT

of course. who doesn't know that game

hm

the only place I can find that mentions that is the Gaming site

is this game free or something?

I was being ironic ;-)

I know

10:50 PM

むかしむかしあるところにとてつもなく中の悪いツインテイルの姉妹姫様がいらっしゃいましたとさ

No, it's not free

its shareware I think

I'd love to tell my friends: "Hey, you should really play Mukashi Mukashi Arutokoro ni Totetsumonaku Naka no Warui Twintail no Shimai Himesama ga Irasshaimashitatosa"

you can find it here: daisessen.com/releases/mmt.html

Oh, huh, never noticed the download section before

They didn't have that before

thats where I got it from