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12:16 AM
@user1271772 what do you think is the benefit of starting up a new site on the SE platform now of all times?
 
@user1306322: The proposal was made 6 months ago, when the "times" were not the same. I've put a huge amount of time, effort, and energy into it, so I'm not going to give up just because times are bad. Also, to answer the question more directly: it's a topic which gets dozens and dozens of questions per day, but on several different forums which are all not connected together. You would have to make a username and password on one forum to ask a question about A, then the next week you might
have to make a username and password for a different forum to ask B.
 
I am not aware of any such forums
why is there need to move between them so often?
I'd argue that the "times" of slow development of the whole platform have been going on for about 5-6 years now, and now most recently in the last 9-12 months the management policy changed to favor profits over quality content dramatically. I don't mean just the last couple months, "times" have been not great for creating a new site for quite a while
 
There's forums for various sub-topics. If you want to ask about topic A you need to sign up and ask in one forum, if you want to ask about topic B you have to sign up for topic B. There's not one unified place (yet!).
 
what forums are you talking about?
 
@user1306322 I agree that fewer and fewer proposals are being launched. But in the last two years we had Operations Research, Quantum Computing, and a bunch of cryptocurrency sites.
 
12:25 AM
I know about reddit where you can have one account and be able to post in all the sub-forums (subreddits) it has
quantum computing is sponsored so there was kinda money in it for the company
 
@user1306322 We have two companies willing to sponsor, and they have much more money and are much more well-established than the company that sponsored Quantum Computing (called StrangeWorks): area51.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/29834/…
 
what is the reason for wanting to sponsor a SE site instead of rolling your own Q&A site or sponsoring a site on a network other than SE?
 
@user1306322 If you want to talk about it more, I'd prefer to do so here: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/104555/materials-modeling-chat. Don't want to bother too many people, and really came here to talk to Shadow!
 
@user1306322 The reason is because I like the SE network!
 
12:29 AM
you might be in the minority these days :p
 
@user1306322 There's a lot of people complaining about SE these days, but still there's thousands and thousands of users that are not complaining!
 
absolutely
EA is "the worst game dev company of all times", and look at their profits
 
SE Inc. going GOT
:-P
 
there are a lot of people in this world who just don't care about quality as much as others
let me ask you this: what do you like about SE network?
 
@user1306322 Ye good ole days ...
 
12:34 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ what about them do you remember?
 
@user1306322 Well I like chatting to you guys!
 
I like its structure and intricacies.
 
Rob
 
Is there a unicode icon for Jeff's [:coding horror avatar:] ?
 
@Rob as in victims of trucks?
 
Rob
12:36 AM
They are on the list
 
@user1306322 Read my main site profile bio
 
I've read it some time ago, and are you still curious about the inner workings of SE platform?
 
@user1271772 You may badly regret saying that one day ;-)
 
I'm just here until a better alternative is up and running, then I'll take my things and move houses
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Why?
 
12:39 AM
@user1306322 Yes. That hasn't ceased with the recent actions taken.
 
what about the platform is still undiscovered, after all this time?
 
@user1271772 You'll know when. :-D
 
@user1306322 Every new question of mine
 
@πάνταῥεῖ or they won't, just like millions of everyday passerby users who couldn't care less :p
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog why is it interesting, though?
 
@user1306322 There's a hint in an answer I've linked in the bio
 
12:41 AM
is it something about SE network and the logic/algos specifically, or do you like studying complicated systems in general?
 
@user1306322 "why is it interesting, though?" Aspergers and such. You'll need to hunt it down, no matter what. I know quite well.
 
well, I also find certain things more interesting than others, so it's not unfamiliar to me
I'm wondering why the SE network specifically and not say Steam or Reddit or some other large community
Wikipedia is pretty complicated
 
I was interested in Wikipedia for a while. I used to contribute there actively and most of my contributions were to meta administration pages rather than main content articles. My interest in it waned, though.
 
do you have interest in any complex games?
 
Doom
(ZDoom, to be exact)
 
12:46 AM
@Sonic No offence BTW. I hope you can live with my comment.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Um, sure.
I'm also interested in film photography
 
I was thinking maybe you'd be into Civilization or Factorio or Dwarf Fortress genre
 
Doom is a puzzle game. You have to solve the complex labyrinth of a level to find the way out. The enemies are there to stop you.
 
it's one of the things people actually don't like about Doom - its confusing level design
here's a recent 5 minute "video essay" if you will on this topic :p
 
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog 👍
 
Rob
12:56 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ 🎢 😱 🤯 🛅 (left luggage) 🐫 or 🙉
 
@user1271772 I hope you've seen this recent response from the team about possibility of launching new sites meta.stackexchange.com/questions/342145/…
 
(in contrast)
More specialized sites;
> "My bwnzfoos off the bar. What can I do to fix it?"
Sometimes I find it very useful to find information about bwnz at google (some reasonable other search keys along of course)
 
Rob
1:16 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ A Unicode character is a single character, the second suggestion is the most visually identical; the others have similar meaning, but appear quite different.
 
@user1306322 Saw it, and it worries me, because we spent so much time and energy into recruiting people already.
In fact, if you look at the comments on that post, you'll see that I made some comments!
 
@Rob 😨 comes closest
 
Rob
1:30 AM
ASCII Art, if you want to use multiple characters.
Downloadable text file: ascii-art-generator.org/FW/… (for however long they keep it).
 
 
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8:45 AM
I'll be in TA today but I doubt I'll have time for any meetup...
 
9:00 AM
@Mithical TA?
 
9:19 AM
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@avazula my guess is Tel Aviv
 
@rene That would make sense. That's the meetup part that got me confused :p
 
@avazula I happen to know they attempted to meet irl earlier and didn't work out at the last moment. With that context is was more then an educated guess ;)
 
morning
they put a gdpr presentation I have to give to another company smack dab in the middle of my planned vacation
>_>
 
ooh, IRL SE meetup. Fancy :D
 
@avazula on the interwebs, nobody knows you're actually a smiley disguised as a cactus disguised as a parrot
 
9:38 AM
rene is correct
 
rene is always correct.
 
9:56 AM
nods
 
rene is only sometimes blurry
 
@Magisch heh :D
 
@Magisch maybe there is a hint they don't want to have you present ...
 
but I have to hold the presentation
 
We'll hologram you ...
I think I'm jealous. Cool to have an invite for sharing your knowledge. Bummer it has a planning conflict.
 
10:01 AM
Imagining @Mag as Palpatine
 
I'll come in on the day and demand my vacation day back
and maybe another one for coming in in the middle of my vacation
 
And another one for it being in the middle, not start or finish
 
JAD
and another! Just because
 
And another as force of habit
 
And take the week off to prepare ...
 
10:06 AM
hey! taking time off for path of exile league releases is serious business
 
Oh, interesting. Meta.SE overtook Scifi.SE for my highest rep site.
 
@Mithical you need to stop ranting :p
 
Maybe just consider the entire vacation ruined and demand to get it all back.
 
JAD
@Gimby "that's fine, just don't take vacation then"
 
@avazula But- but- but rants are fun! :'(
 
10:15 AM
No no, you can only know it was ruined when you've already attempted to have it.
 
5d chess right here
 
@avazula He can't stop brooding about spoons and forks and how they connect us all together
 
Sporks
 
And there was something about sand
 
10:48 AM
donk
 
11:16 AM
@user1271772 Area 51 is dead, but since it takes 10 seconds, I committed to the proposal. Just.... don't build your hopes too high. Now without Robert there's nobody to close proposals, but there's also nobody to launch new sites. :/
@Mithical ponk
Welcome back @M.A.R. I knew you will come back!!11!!11!!!1!!
@M.A.R. box?
Or beach?
status-eating-last-piece-of-cake
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou shaka ponk
 
@avazula Pink Shock
!!/party M.A.R
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou No such command 'party'.
 
something tells me you don't know Shaka Ponk :p
 
That'd be logical, they're most famous in Germany IIRC
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou :shocked:
 
Same way you don't know Mergi, or Noa Kirel. ;)
(Though Noa is now making steps towards USA too)
 
the last name sounds familiar
love that firstname. It sounds so good
 
Well she's more famous, and to be honest, better singer. ;)
@avazula Noa? It's a "generic" Hebrew name for female. Not special. My name is special though. :P
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou It's still beautiful to me :p
First time I see it on a woman though
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Heh, my firstname is boringly common in my country :p
 
11:23 AM
Just because it's foreign.... e.g. "Stefan" is beautiful IMO, but only because it's foreign. I think.
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Really? "Noa" is female in Hebrew? Is it not related to the biblical Noah?
 
Oh, idk. I'm just a fan of names that end in an a :p
 
@avazula Lukas?
@terdon not related to Noah at all. Let me see what's the source...
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I'm a woman :)
 
11:26 AM
haha
 
Hey, Lukas is just many Luka!
 
Nah. It's a religious one. Which is funny because I come from an atheistic family
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Could be the other way around too! One Lukas, many Luka. Like criteria :P
 
11:27 AM
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou ding ding ding
 
Heh, it has its own wiki:
Noa is both a masculine and feminine given name as well as a surname. In Israel, the name Noa (Hebrew: נוֹעָה‎) is a popular name for girls. It is a biblical name: in the Hebrew Bible, Noa was one of the Five Daughters of Zelophehad.It is an English version of the name nawaf in Arabic, meaning "higher" or "genius". == People == Given nameAchinoam Nini (aka Noa) (born 1969), Israeli singer Noa James (born 1984), American rapper Noa Kirel (born 2001), Israeli singer and actress Noa Lang (born 1999), Dutch football player Noa Lindberg, American actress Noa Nadruku (born 1967), ethnic Fijian rugby...
 
Most given name in France of all times
 
And the singer I was referring to:
Noa Kirel (Hebrew: נועה קירל‎, born on April 10, 2001) is an Israeli singer, actress, and television host. She has won MTV Europe Music Awards for best Israeli act in 2017 and 2019. == Early life == Noya Kirel was born in Ra'anana, Israel, to Israeli-born parents of both Ashkenazi Jewish (Austrian-Jewish) and Sephardic Jewish (Moroccan-Jewish) descent. She is the youngest child of Amir and Ilana Kirel. She has two older brothers. Her father is CEO of Glassco Glass, an imported-glass business headquartered in the Barkan industrial zone. Her first name was Noya at birth, but after being diagnosed...
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Huh, thanks.
 
12:09 PM
@rene voted, 1 more
 
12:28 PM
kaboom
 
 
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1:56 PM
browser meta.stackexchange.com/questions/344280/… @rene @Glor @Sonic @Mith @Art
Art you asked to be pinged too for plz-del right?
 
chewing noises
 
yup
 
lol and as usual... one that wasn't pinged cast the final vote.... :P
 
That's why there's no need to ping me
 
I know but you should have some automated indicator if you're available or not, just for fun. :D
 
2:00 PM
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou half the fun is in convincing people I never sleep
 
@JourneymanGeek easy: place a bot on your account that will post random stuff that you might say yourself, in random intervals. :D
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou .... or wake up, say random stuff, then go back to sleep
 
.... or, sleep with hand attached to the keyboard. ;)
Pretty sure most people move while sleeping, including the hand. So that might get interesting.
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou dhjkln . jkblçjukyf ;:
 
@avazula I totally agree
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I used to, I conditioned myself into staying still
 
2:07 PM
@avazula wow you move a lot while sleeping! Hope you're fine. ;)
@M.A.R. why??
 
JAD
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou It's called a powernap
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Why I used to move or why I'm still?
 
You... sleep with someone who doesn't like to be nudged all night? :D
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I move a lot period. I'm a restless soul.
 
@JAD Red Bull gives you wings!
 
2:08 PM
@M.A.R. you your force yourself to not move during sleep?
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Close enough
 
I don't move a lot, but sometimes bump into wife... but we're even, she does the same, it's an average of once a week. (Well, those that are strong enough to wake me up lol)
 
For example, now that they have put the AVF on my left wrist, I shouldn't ever sleep on my left hand
 
@M.A.R. AV what?
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Often. When I wanna move, I get into this half-awake state and remember all of my toss-and-turns the next morning
. . . That's not as scary as it sounds
 
2:10 PM
@M.A.R. ??
 
I once slept at a friend's house who only had one bed so we shared it. He got agitated during the night (probably a nightmare) and I stroke his hair and said "sssh ... that's okay ..." while still half-asleep. Things got pretty awkward in the morning when I actually remembered what I've done ._.
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou AV fistula, for dialysis
 
Luckily he has no memory of it xD
 
@M.A.R. you still need dialysis? Thought the extra kidney solved that.... :/
 
No, I'm saying then
Although I still shouldn't sleep on my left hand, I don't have any wounds to heal
 
2:11 PM
@M.A.R. you used present tense, not past. I think.... lol
 
And then there are anaesthetic drugs. They do . . . weird things to the mind.
 
Don't they just make you sleepy?
 
Yeah, you kinda drop dead.
You don't move a single muscle till morning
 
@avazula eh. Sure he didn't.... do it on purpose? ;) (the "getting agitated" part)
 
It's very soothing, but very dreamless, and you feel like a truck hit you in the morning
A fluffy truck. But with a cargo of lead
 
2:15 PM
hmm.... reflecting on the past.... never slept in same bed with a friend, but slept for years very close to other people, in a tent (during army service). Not fitting for those sensitive to noise or smells. :D
@M.A.R. ouch
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Who knows? ;)
 
And aren't they addictive? @M.A.R
@avazula he knows..... :D
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I think so
 
@M.A.R. so you're lucky for not being addicted.... I guess....
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Really? That's something I've done a lot throughout the years ... never quite understood what's weird in that either.
A man's gotta sleep, huh?
 
2:17 PM
@avazula nothing weird, just a test for how tired you are. lol
 
And when you don't have enough space... Adapt. Improvise. Overcome! tiredness defeated
 
Never sleep close to @Sha is what he's saying
 
Sleeping 7 hours, when you work hard all day.... you really don't care about anything.
 
He probably sleepfights
With a broadsword conveniently hung on the wall beside his bed
 
@M.A.R. safety distance is 3 meters. Less than that, and I can't guarantee your safety. :P
 
2:19 PM
King's gotta have protection
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Most of this happened when I was volunteering. We'd have weeks where we'd only sleep a couple of hours a night. The first year I had written at the back of my T-shirt "if found still, please return my corpse to my mother"
 
lol
Where did you volunteer?
Couple of hours is not enough even for me.... kudos for surviving it!
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou France, in this particular case
 
(luckily at least for Israel's army there are strict laws about sleeping, to try and prevent mistakes during training)
 
2:21 PM
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I was young and healthy :D now I'm always tired
 
:(
@avazula I see. But what force/org?
@M.A.R. anaesthetic drugs could save him lots of trouble.
 
You read those books too?
 
Only like five times man
Or less.
Or more.
Shrug
 
so, 6-8
I read only once, and watched all movies once.
 
2:24 PM
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Small org (30 people). We organize a week-long cultural festival every year. People would come see plays, concerts, do various crafting and sports activities ... all for free. The goal is to bring arts and community to people with low/no income.
 
@avazula oh wow that's.... amazing.
respect level for @ava increased
:)
 
Same here
 
so it's like Burning Man, just with less people, and for free? @avazula
 
goes check what's Burning Man
 
We had someone who took active part in that here, called Jason C. But he's.... long time gone. :(
 
2:26 PM
I ... guess so?
But the attendance is way smaller :p
 
oh wait, Burning Man might be also for free. Never really checked. lol
Feb 22 '17 at 15:32, by Jason C
Long story, my social community / Burning Man crew here, we want to buy a semi truck and deck it out. That, and it comes in handy on a handful of occasions, for some reason maybe once or twice a year I find myself in a situation where a 3-axle truck is there but we're short on a driver.
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou wiki says its not free
 
oh
@avazula for how many years are you doing this? Who selects the destination each year?
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Since 2013 so 7 years now. Next one begins on March 30th. It's always in the same city.
 
@avazula oh, you said "France, in this particular case" so thought it means that it's not always there.
 
2:36 PM
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou I meant that I did volunteering in other countries :p that wasn't clear, sorry. Speaking in English is harder when I'm tired.
 
You have meetings with all the 30-ish people organizing it?
@avazula lol all good.... :)
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou Well... I used to. I can't physically be there anymore (I'm too far away) but I stayed to do more "virtual" activities. I design stuff and make their website.
 
That's a very small festival ... we don't have much money but the people who come seem to love it :)
 
Good intentions worth more than actual money.
And the people know it. :)
 
2:44 PM
@avazula I've been in this situation before and chosen to sleep on the floor
 
@Yaakov
Thanks
for
fixing
the
new
lines
issue
in
bounty
reasons
it
is
really
awesome
!
:D
 
it's g3rv4!
 
a wild v4 appears
 
@Magisch I grew up with 8 siblings ... I don't mind proximity : p
 
@Magisch guess it depends how close is the friend
 
2:46 PM
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou very original
 
@YaakovEllis I know, right? ;)
 
Question to the powers that be: previously we would have generally closed questions like this as "too broad" because they are asking general implementation advice and are probably a better fit for another SE site. That no longer seems to be an option, which is fine, but the question as written really is too broad in general. What's the suggested action?
 
@avazula heh, I grew up as an only child
my personal space is absolutely sacred to me
 
@Magisch fair enough :)
 
@Mgetz well, there's always the "Other".
 
2:48 PM
Or "Needs more focus".
 
@Gimby I'd say it is focused, it's just a very broad focus
 
@avazula lol. I think that word might not be the right one 🤣
 
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Q: The newer close reasons don't account for questions that are too general and require lengthy answers

Thomas OwensThere are some questions that are incredibly broad. These used to be closed under the "too broad" reason, but that went away. These questions now fall right between two of the new categories: Needs details or clarity Please clarify your specific problem or add additional details to hig...

 
But totally have slept on a big mat thing in a shared space.
 
@ShadowWizardisEarForYou even with other I'd need to be clear as to why and what should be done. I don't have that clarity at the moment
 
2:50 PM
@JourneymanGeek promiscuity means something else?
 
Also once in a grain storage place 🤣
 
@Mgetz a broad focus is exactly why it needs to be closed for needs more focus
 
@Magisch well uhm
If I understand correctly yes
 
@rene I'd rather redirect or move the question TBH
 
@Mgetz you could argue it is a kind of whiteboard question. Not sure if it could fit on SE.SE
 
2:52 PM
@JourneymanGeek oh wow.... how I missed it?? LOL... yeah @ava surely meant "proximity", can you please edit it?
 
@JourneymanGeek Huh ... another example of a faux-ami word that's written exactly the same way but doesn't mean the same thing ...
 
I suggest googling it
Uhm... Yes 🤣
I'll fix it 🤣
Not judging either way. English is a bloody strange language
 
@rene I'd argue it fits best on softwareengineering.stackexchange.com
 
@JourneymanGeek totally
 
@JourneymanGeek I just did ... that's terrible because it can mean "proximity" in French u_u
 
2:53 PM
FTFY
Yup
Stupid English. Can't even steal words properly some times 🤣
 
I'll never see those songs the same way
 
....
Lol
 
@avazula no worry, nobody here thinks you really meant that other meaning. :)
 
@avazula did you think they were singing about close people?
 
@Magisch ... Not really ;)
 
2:55 PM
actually, that makes some sense
 
I mean, "close" as in "emotionally close", yes
 
This is like gift in german
it means poison
 
tries to remember the word
das Geschenk?
 
yeah
 
(hope I didn't say anything stupid this time ._.)
 
2:56 PM
@avazula reminds me of old children's song that only after long years I realized how bad it can sound out of context. The song has a line going like "Let's open that zipper". Think these days the song is banned in Israel.
 
haha
 
yeah lol
Wonder if it has a wiki... or English reference....
 
@avazula it's ok. Even native speakers get tripped up
 
Linguistics are hard :p
I remember learning Latin ... ugh. What do you mean that's an exception?
 
I have the official greater latin qualification in my state
I can not read nor write any latin as of now
 
3:01 PM
Darn that's impressive o_o
woop, I misread the last sentence. Still impressive though :v
 
Can't find anything.... but guess I can just post the song here, translated to English.
 
:x
 
> The world is a ball, it's clear, it's clear,
But what they don't know is what's inside.
For that, for that, for that, for that,
The Richchart opens.

The Rich, the Hertz, the Richerch opens
And we will see strange worlds.

What is a ritch? Let's take a look,
What is, what is inside.
What is a ritch? Let's take a look,
Whatever, what is inside!

Quizzes, paintings, letters and poems
That we wrote alone and accessible right here,
For that, for that, for that,
The Richchart opens.

The Rich, the Hertz, the Richerch opens ...
"RichRach" means "zipper" in Hebrew, and can be either as one word or two words.
So Google Translate failed on that, "Richchart" is "zipper" and so is "Rich, the Hertz". lol
The rest of the translation is fine. I think.
 
@Mgetz I'm not a regular there so I won't suggest that option. Maybe ask in their chat first.
 
3:43 PM
Ryan Donovan on February 27, 2020
I recently came across this sketchnote by Tanmay Vora, and it really resonated with me. As a developer it got me thinking about how this might translate into the life of a developer and our happiness. Based on this sketchnote here are the eight factors of happiness applied to developer life. 1. Resentment Harboring resentment…
 
4:06 PM
meh
 
meh
1. The bloody thing works!
2. The bloody thing works!
3. The bloody thing works!
4. The bloody thing works!
5. The bloody thing works!
6. The bloody thing works!
7. The bloody thing works!
8. The bloody thing works!
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Q: Introducing the Stack Exchange Data Explorer aka SEDE

wafflesThis is the announcement post of the Stack Exchange Data Explorer. Its answers were meant to iron out the initial glitches 6 to 8 years ago. If you have found a bug or need support today with any of SEDEs features, please ask a new question and tag it with data-explorer What does it do? ...

Almost 10 years old!
 
I'm also content if something doesn't work but I know exactly why :)
 
I was of course not here then but I feel old nonetheless
 
4:25 PM
> resist withdrawal and become reclusive during stress
am i reading that right
 
@user400654 Your pronunciation of "reclusive" is a bit weird
 
shouldn't it be "resist withdrawal and becoming reclusive during stress"?
 
Ugh, you're making me read it
 
just the graphic
 
> When we are stressed, we tend to withdraw and become more reclusive, so that is exactly when we need others around us.
I found this one
@user400654 oh
Well, they want you to become reclusive, because, uh
People are overrated.
Social life is overrated too.
UR OVERRATED
 
4:36 PM
oh, i'm rated?
where
 
8/10.
 
i also find it odd that a blazor ad is showing up in favor of that post
caching?
 
@M.A.R. party!
 
@rene 🎆
 
what is 763460
 
4:41 PM
My password
 
Are you sure? It doesn't give me access
 
@user400654 "Want to read about blazor's hype? CLICK HERE!!!!"
 
4:58 PM
What's behind blazor's hype? hype posts like this one!
 
5:41 PM
Where does that constant misconception of what return or print actually does, coming from for beginners?
I've seen that for various programming languages.
 
6:15 PM
@TimStone I've been a bit busy with the SE Comment Helper. Sorry for the flood.
But I think I've covered all the issues I was interested in fixing now.
 
7:11 PM
🍌
 
Well, if anyone's feeling especially generous, concider donating to my friend: totalgiving.co.uk/mypage/…
Just put in the comment that Tim sent you.
 
 
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8:54 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ REPL environments where the output of each statement gets printed. In such a programming environment, the difference between "return" and "print" is minor.
 
meh
 
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