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That's because coincidentally she is also tied to the famous "Bug found in mainframe" incident that is often said to be the origin of the widespread use of the term debugging

It was then revised to be about getting a medal.

I don't really mind, but the change is due to make users think more about Grace role in military history than in IT history.

(not sure how you could fix that though, the original trigger meant that you basically could get the hat only on MSE)

Oh, and for an added trivia....

it also manages to look like the symbol on weapon power-ups in Contra.

Tinkeringbell

sigh ... people and hats... can we just get random coloured squares as avatars next year?

Hitodama

was just going to post this same info, Yaakov. Btw, for your reference in case you didn't already know about that, back in '15 there was a post that listed each hat origin. Could be useful to restart the tradition. Anyway, I think that maybe it is safer if we avoid anything that could be related to politics/military in the future (remember - we also had the Flying Tiger hat the same year) — Hitodama 12 mins ago

Tinkeringbell

@Hitodama meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/340615/4

Hitodama

I can only suggest to try to avoid anything that can be easily tied to politics, specific countries, military groups and such topics

Tinkeringbell

I was more thinking of that.

Hitodama

9:31 AM

Basically, switch to cakes

Tinkeringbell

'easily tied to'... As long as people see Jesus on toast, that's impossible.

Hitodama

Instead of hats, collect pastry.

or cats

Tinkeringbell

unicorns?

Ugly sweaters.

Hitodama

@Tinkeringbell that is an option too. And as I already said in my old suggestion.... You can add procedural generation and have infinite sweaters.

Magisch

I just read the wiki article on grace hopper, apparently she had quite a productive and impressive life

Tinkeringbell

9:33 AM

Yeah I know I should feel bad :P

Magisch

should you? you owe the world nothing in particular

Tinkeringbell

Tell that to the world? :P

I was just kidding...

Magisch

;)

Mithical

I feel like people are deliberately trying to find fault in everything and anything related to hats.

Hitodama

@Tinkeringbell Your proposal was recorded

Just in case someone will want to use that in the future.

Gimby

9:42 AM

@Mithical only in hats though?

Tinkeringbell

@Hitodama Hahaha good one :) I already upvoted the pet edition ;)

Magisch

@Mithical My guess is the user filing the new thread saw positive response to the one yesterday and decided to try themselves

Yaakov Ellis

@Hitodama that ship has sailed…

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Which... is logical? At least they made their question 'right' at the first revision ;)

@Hitodama Why quote the whole thing at me?

I had already read (and upvoted) most of it once ;)

Hitodama

because I misclicked, that's why..

Tinkeringbell

9:46 AM

Ahhh.

Hitodama

> And YET another more thing (2019 update)

A random parrot in a random chat board just pointed out another interesting option: ugly sweaters. I think that could work too - basic idea would be the same: sweaters could be procedural generated based on a random seed (similar to how gravatars are generated). They would still be bought with coins you would get from various task/trigger. The fun part is that we could then implement a "gift an ugly sweater" feature to give out sweaters you own to other users. That would basically be the SE version of the old Christmas tradition of getting ugly sw…

Tinkeringbell

Well it's almost Christmas... so I forgive you? :P

Hitodama

I just intended to post this part.

Magisch

no forgiveness, only fire

Hitodama

anyway, sweaters could still be interesting, realtively easy to do and I think no one could then claim that the shirt reminded them anything.

JAD

9:47 AM

hmm, randomly generated offensive symbols ;)

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch fire would be nice... my room is a bit on the old side :)

Hitodama

@JAD random is random and no one had yet blamed SE for gravatar shapes

Tinkeringbell

@Hitodama "This snowflake/negative space looks like a swastika"... Like I said... as long as people see Jesus on toast, they'll find something ;)

Gimby

@Tinkeringbell is that a reason to burn it down?

Tinkeringbell

@Hitodama Don't give them ideas :P

@Gimby I was thinking a more controlled burn? :P

Burning it down would be a waste of yarn.

Gimby

9:49 AM

@Tinkeringbell ha ha :) I see fire, I think only in extremes.

Tinkeringbell

@Gimby Which is good, unless it causes the kind of mess it did last New Year's Eve in Scheveningen ;)

Gimby

@Tinkeringbell Thank god that nonsense is over. It was actually featured in the Netherlands episode of "Europe from Above" on NatGeo. It was shameful to see.

Tinkeringbell

Was it? I kinda like vreugdevuren...

Gimby

A fire is fine. But not one you can see from space.

Tinkeringbell

But I guess it's not very environmentally friendly and when done this big/unprepared, dangerous.

@Gimby Ehh... disagree. If it's a fire you can see from space that doesn't harm anything or anyone... it's the best fire :D

Gimby

9:54 AM

Yeah? But the "doesn't harm anything or anyone" did not apply, it did do a lot of damage :)

Tinkeringbell

That's true.

Now I wonder if previous year's fires were visible from space.

Magisch

the fire in australia certainly is

Gimby

I exaggerated that to illustrate how big the fires were, I'm pretty sure you couldn't see them from space ;)

Tinkeringbell

:(

You got my hopes up, only to kill all the dreams with a dead bird!

Hitodama

@Gimby This one is visible from space...

Darvaza gas crater

The Darvaza gas crater (Turkmen: Garagum ýalkymy), also known as the Door to Hell or Gates of Hell, is a natural gas field collapsed into a cavern located in Derweze, Turkmenistan. Geologists intentionally set it on fire to prevent the spread of methane gas and it is thought to have been burning continuously since 1971. The gas crater has a total area of 5,350 m2. Its diameter is 69 m (226 ft), and its depth is 30 m (98 ft).The Turkmen government hopes that the crater will become a popular tourist attraction. The surrounding area is also popular for wild desert camping. == Geography == The gas...

HTM

10:01 AM

@Mithical ‘ello there

I should probably be in bed now, got more finals to prep for

Gimby

Expecting dangerous releases of poisonous gases from the cavern into nearby towns, the engineers considered it advisable to burn the gas off. It was estimated that the gas would burn out within a few weeks, but it has instead continued to burn for 48 years and is expected to keep on burning

Wow, poster example of "assumption is the mother of all screwups" :)

JAD

damn, no pictures of it actually being visible from space :/

tbh, with espionage satellites, aren't most things on the surface visible from space?

Gimby

True enough.

The hairs on someone's legs, if we have to believe certain hyperactive Hollywood movies :)

Hitodama

@JAD you can actually kinda recognize it on Google Maps.

There is a distinctive fire red circle visible in that area

Also visible in this article

Magisch

@Hitodama reminds me of that coal mine in america that caught fire some 40 years ago and is still burning also

πάντα ῥεῖ

10:13 AM

@Magisch There are even bigger ones burning in China.

Hitodama

10:26 AM

in the meantime, somewhere else Squaresoft employees keep avoiding the big question "Will the FF7 remake have any major plot changes?"

I am kinda starting to hope that this strategy backfires on them.

JAD

how many times has anything truly backfired in the gaming industry? Especially when nostalgia was added to the mix?

Tinkeringbell

Oooh! If we're talking games... I read on Twitter yesterday that the Stardew Valley update is now ready for the Switch too. So if I disappear for two weeks, that's where I'm at ;)

Hitodama

@JAD let me think.... nope, never.

They kinda know some won't buy the game if they don't fix Zack role and "Ye oldie Aerith Dies" thing.... and others won't buy the game if they do.

So they keep throwing curve balls that can be misinterpreted in both ways.

See the infamous "this if FF of 2020" Japanese tv ads that basically says "What we do now could be different or the same" right after mentioning Aerith death.

JAD

@Hitodama and either can be solved by waiting a day and googling which of the two it ended up being

Gimby

@Hitodama from what I understand the plot is kept rather faithfully, however some of the awkwardness is taken out of it which appeared due to the translation from Japanese to English. Even the weirdo dress-up sequence is kept in the game.

Hitodama

10:35 AM

@JAD I kinda think that you know nothing about the remake, do you?

It is impossible to do that.... the original game will be split in multiple episodes

First probably will be JUST MIDGARD

Gimby

@Hitodama That's for sure

Hitodama

Enche, all the controversial plot will be at the very least in the second game.

Magisch

I've never been able to get into final fantasy

every piece of lore I've ever read from it just oozes overly complicated mess

Hitodama

they know that, so they are intentionally keeping vague so that people will buy the first "chapter" because they don't know in which direction the following ones will go.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Magisch Are you still playing The Witcher?

Gimby

10:38 AM

@Magisch Mmm that's particularly Final Fantasy 7 in my experience, the other games are pretty straightforward.

Magisch

@πάνταῥεῖ I'm done (tm) with it

some 400 hours in total now

Hitodama

@Gimby unless the final scene also shows something about Kalm town. Or they include some flashback to Cloud arrival with Zack. But basically Midgard

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Magisch Wasn't there a follow up?

Magisch

@πάνταῥεῖ not that I know of?

I recently replayed it a bit

mostly the DLCs though

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Magisch I thought I read something at Heise. But could well be that it was just a comparison for a different format.

JAD

10:41 AM

@Hitodama Correct. I didn't know they'd release it in episodes. That changes things yes

Hitodama

@JAD I assumed that, and btw sorry in case the messages sounded condescending or anything. Didn't mean that - just that I realized you didn't know about the whole episodic release thing.

Basically, to have the FULL game... I don't think the final episode will be released before 2025.

JAD

none taken :)

and yeah, that sucks

Hitodama

So, you are making a remake, without being clear on what plot element were changed... on an episodic release that will keep people hanging for years.

Add that they seem to be purposely dropping red herrings... and you have a recipe for angry buyers

JAD

as long as they're buyers, they won't care

my point still kinda stands. Just wait until the contentious episode is released

Hitodama

@JAD Oh, it doesn't really matter for me - I am far more interested in the Trial of Mana remake than I am in the FF7 one.

but... as I said, I think that the City of the Ancients part would be at least chapter 2.

.... You really think gamers will skip the first chapter to wait at least a year to see if they like the second one?

Especially when most would assume "remake==same plot"

They are walking on eggs now.

Tinkeringbell

11:07 AM

Legal documents are funny. From now in, in real life, I'm also going to use five sentences to just state my name, address, birthday and marital status :P

Shadow The Princess Wizard

looking left

looking right

seeing red parrot

Tinkeringbell

hey :)

Being faster than SmokeDetector is satisfying...

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Tinkeringbell not a fair game, it has 5 minutes delay before posting here. Surely it reported that post in the main room. ;)

LOL

See?

Tinkeringbell

11:22 AM

@ShadowThePrincessWizard There weren't any flags from SmokeDetector on it yet ;)

That's why I was quicker :)

JNat

11:56 AM

@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog gone

@ShadowThePrincessWizard gone

Hitodama

I... apologize in advance for this.

Gimby

Oh I like that one

Journeyman Geek

Seems a bit...

Shaggie

Gimby

shaggy.exe

Hitodama

12:18 PM

@JourneymanGeek explanation:

Ultra Instinct Shaggy

►

and yep, the scene is just like that in the original, they just added the music and the afterimage effects

Journeyman Geek

@Hitodama ._.

What is this from?

Hitodama

@JourneymanGeek Scooby Doo: Legend of the Phantosaur

this is the original...

Scooby-Doo! Shaggy vs Biker Gang

►

And then... mods started to appear.

Now, you can play as Ultra Instinct Shaggy in Xenoverse 2

Shadow The Princess Wizard

1:19 PM

@JNat thanks!

@Hitodama the beard looks like a "loading" gif icon.... ;)

JNat

@ShadowThePrincessWizard this room is echoey some times, heh? :P

Hitodama

@ShadowThePrincessWizard can't really do much when the original looked like this.

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@JNat blame the walls... we need to break some. :P

@Hitodama sure

Hitodama

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Less loading-ish

Hitodama

1:25 PM

as I said, the knitting tool doesn't exactly play well with small lines :P

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@Yaakov hey! The tour page is winking at us, in case you missed it... meta.stackexchange.com/questions/340637/… :)

(Not sure it's "yours" though.... guess there are other developers out there in SE, but you can poke them in case of dire need... ;))

JAD

hehe, spotify currently has a similar bug

Hitodama

and since you are at it @Yaakov, if you have to touch that page to fix that.... it would be a good opportunity to add an unicorn/pony (a little Fluttershy maybe, but I don't think Hasbro would bee too happy...) to the hidden easter egg it has.... You probably know what I am talking about

The current one is sooooo boring.

JAD

Shadow The Princess Wizard

@JAD that's horrible)

JAD

1:39 PM

@ShadowThePrincessWizard absolutely unusable

Tinkeringbell

@JAD Oh hey, so that's where that missing parentheses went from my manager's presentation yesterday!

Shadow The Princess Wizard

lol

Yaakov Ellis

@Hitodama I actually don't even know what you are talking about

Hitodama

@YaakovEllis Konami code on that very page. Try.

69

A: What are the hidden features of Stack Exchange?

While in the /about page aka guided tour of any site (e.g. Stack Overflow about page) in the network, press the following keys in the following order: upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbaenter. This is known as Konami code, and will cause the site icon on top of the page to become the Stack Exchange ...

and.... you should add an unicorn on the diagram.

Yaakov Ellis

@Hitodama well, if I add it, I certainly wont do it today. I will probably maybe add it sometime in the next year. I guess you will just have to keep checking back there to see

Hitodama

1:51 PM

;_;

(secret move #42: make them feel guilty)

Gimby

@Hitodama Secret secret move#42: use kaomoji. (ಥ﹏ಥ)

Tinkeringbell

I thought secret move #42 was chocolate?

JAD

it's context dependent

Mithical

You just have an unhealthy obsession with chocolate.

Hitodama

@Tinkeringbell nope, it kinda is Friendship.

Tinkeringbell

2:00 PM

@Mithical It's because it's like forbidden fruit! I can't eat much of it :(

@Hitodama You can make friends with chocolate :D

Mithical

Chocolate is highly toxic to parrots.

Tinkeringbell

Really? Well. yet another reason to stick to a parrot avatar, who would've known there could be so many!

Hitodama

@Tinkeringbell be happy that I can't really find the old discussion "was the fact that Twily cutie mark has exactly 42 tips intentional or just a fortunate coincidence" that we had in another room...

Tinkeringbell

I don't think I had that conversation, and if we did, it was probably in here :P

Hitodama

not you.

I think it was b_jonas

or even Shadow

but wonder what....

Tinkeringbell

2:14 PM

Oh, good. I don't like forgetting conversations ;)

Hitodama

"Luckily" for you, I was able to find some references to that in the RPG room

start here

in Not a bar, but plays one on TV on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Oct 8 '15 at 13:14, by SPArchaeologist

Near the beginning of the Hitcher Guide to the Galaxy, the book preface/first chapter goes in some interesting discussions about Earth, the Guide and the universe.

Gimby

@Tinkeringbell Chocolate being toxic to parrots is a reason to have a parrot avatar?

Tinkeringbell

@Gimby Suits real life me... If I eat too much chocolate, my eczema gets worse.

Rubiksmoose

@Gimby It means nobody will ever suspect them of stealing their chocolate.

Tinkeringbell

@Rubiksmoose Hey, that was a secret!

Rubiksmoose

2:18 PM

The perfect disguise.

@Tinkeringbell XD

Shadow The Princess Wizard

2:38 PM

@Hitodama probably

in Shadow's Den, Sep 18 '14 at 8:06, by SPArchaeologist

again, 42 == Answer == Twilight

This?

Stevoisiak supports Monica

I appreciate Shog9's answer on the duplicate comment changes

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A: Confusing comment “Does this answer your question?”

Short answer here is that we're aiming to facilitate what we think is the core utility of these comments... We might be wrong about that utility, or wrong about whether our change helps more than it hinders - but determining that will take time and effort. Yaakov has marked your request as "defer...

Tinkeringbell

Upvote? :D

Stevoisiak supports Monica

Of course!

Tinkeringbell

Bounty? :P

Shadow The Princess Wizard

Shog needs no rep

Tinkeringbell

2:49 PM

It's the gesture!

Magisch

clearly we need a "mark as shog" function that works like accepts, only more authoritative

Tinkeringbell

I don't need flowers. Yet I'm flattered if I get some.

Magisch

I always thought this was a drawn out clichee. Do you honestly react positively to flowers?

nobody I know does. They all see it like being gifted a pet

Tinkeringbell

Ehhh. Society demands I do? :P

At least I don't start sneezing.

Gimby

@Magisch This is kind of true, my partner is notoriously bad at keeping plants alive and it infuriates her. I never ever give her flowers.

Tinkeringbell

2:50 PM

@Gimby Flowers are meant to die. Plants is a bit of a bigger responsibility ;)

Stevoisiak supports Monica

How does that look?

Tinkeringbell

See! (I'm not sure if bounty markdown was still broken though...)

Magisch

the female sales reps get tons of flowers from customers every year

none of them seem happy about it in the least

Tinkeringbell

That's because you get them all the time.

Then they lose the specialness ;)

Gimby

@Tinkeringbell not all, she buys the ones that are meant to last. But they don't.

Stevoisiak supports Monica

2:53 PM

@Tinkeringbell The "Show off your hats" bounty links to another post. I assumed it was via markdown

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> images.pexels.com/photos/1363763/…

Tinkeringbell

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica Then it works again ;)

Stevoisiak supports Monica

Any suggestions before I post that bounty?

Tinkeringbell

@πάνταῥεῖ Nice, wildflowers!

Magisch

nobody ever gave me flowers

Stevoisiak supports Monica

2:55 PM

Maybe adding a phrase "The community appreciates it. 🙂"

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Where should I send them? ;)

Magisch

which is nice because I don't like caring for them. The only plant I continue to maintain is an ivy

Stevoisiak supports Monica

Or would that be too much

Tinkeringbell

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica I'd say make it from you... or people are going to get mad at you for speaking for them.

Stevoisiak supports Monica

Potential final revision:

Tinkeringbell

3:00 PM

I mean.. it's your message ;)

I'm not going to tell you what to write :P

Stevoisiak supports Monica

Alright, it has been posted

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell too kind of you but please no

Tinkeringbell

I know ;)

Magisch

;)

my fern is plenty plant for me

it seems to be unkillable

Stevoisiak supports Monica

Almost forgot I can't mark an answer for bounty in advance without dismissing the notification

@CesarM The changes to the Warm Welcome hat are appreciated too. :)

Journeyman Geek

3:06 PM

@Magisch now you done cursed it

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek I've been telling myself I wont get another plant but the ivy just keeps spreading. it is vast and all consuming, and ever growing

intermittently I forgot to water it, forgot for a year to change its soil, and more. And yet, it persists.

Journeyman Geek

are you sure you didn't accidentally adopt a triffid?

Magisch

I have to prune it every so often

Journeyman Geek

@Mithical chocolate is healthy.

Chocolate is seeds from a fruit. Seeds are good for you. Hence chocolate is healthy

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek As always, depends on the dose.

Journeyman Geek

3:17 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ I suppose 20 tons of fruit might be a mite bit lethal applied correctly....

Yaakov Ellis

@StevoisiaksupportsMonica y'all should know that shog's answer is an excerpt from an internal discussion that we had on this. We have similar discussions about many of the feature requests and bug reports

4

Journeyman Geek

@YaakovEllis nonetheless - Its good to see folks active on meta.

Feeds

WebSockets for fun and profit

Max Pekarsky on December 18, 2019

Seamless communication is a must on the modern web. As internet speeds increase, we expect out data in real time. To address this need, WebSocket, a popular communication protocol finalized in 2011, enables websites to send and receive data without delay. With WebSockets, you can build multiplayer games, chat apps, and collaboration software that work on the open web.

I built several projects with WebSockets before I started to wonder what exactly was happening under the hood. That question took me down a research rabbit hole, and I am excited to share what I’ve learned with you. In this article, we will: …

Journeyman Geek

And Shog's writing is... quirky in a few ways :D

Something about the audience ._.

JAD

@YaakovEllis you mean it's a duplicate?

;)

Journeyman Geek

3:19 PM

@JAD only to something in hangouts/slack/teams/whateverelse SO corp uses internally

Stevoisiak supports Monica

@YaakovEllis Thank you. I know communication is never easy, especially now. Knowing the rationale behind a decision helps a lot

JAD

@JourneymanGeek no matter, :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag:

Journeyman Geek

OI! VOTE!

JAD

Also, it looks slightly more structured than a slack thread :P

Rubiksmoose

@JAD Also more cogent lol

Tinkeringbell

3:39 PM

@Rubiksmoose I'm tempted to say that edited title still...

Smokey must agree ;)

Stevoisiak supports Monica

Would "Draining magic" work better?

Tinkeringbell

Probably not if the DM specifically used other words?

Rubiksmoose

4:08 PM

@Tinkeringbell lol

Mithical

6:17 PM

take cover

fbueckert

@Mithical I do that every now and then.

Test to the best of your ability, and eventually, you just shrug and pull the pin.

Mithical

Well, of course. Just most people aren't possibly taking down a top-50 site when they do that. (:

fbueckert

They're still taking down potentially business critical applications. :P

Feeds

7:37 PM

The heroes seem to be gaining the upper hand until Darth Juul manages to flip the switch on the car wash control panel from 'REGULAR' to 'PREMIUM.'

Sepideh

Hi guys. I want to post a question with this title "Does it matter to you who answers your question?" do you think this question make problem?

user400654

well, my primary observation would be that you're potentially asking it to a community of answerers. I'm not sure how useful the response will be.

Mithical

Some of us ask a lot of questions.

I don't see it being problematic as a discussion if you can phrase it right.

M.A.R.

@Sepideh Hi! It sounds a bit opinion-based. I mean, of course almost everything on meta is opinion-based, but when it's not evident how the information would be useful to anyone, it gets a poll-ish appearance and we haven't been doing those for a long time now.

If you word it as "should it matter?", then I guess even if people act otherwise, their response would be obvious.

Sepideh

Thanks for your responses

user400654

7:56 PM

I prefer I answer my question