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1:30 AM

@pppery Just FYI, general site etiquette is not to go around and specifically look for site-specific or no-longer-reproducible questions and vote or flag to close them. Generally, we only vote or flag to close if we happen to come across one; we don't go about and hunt for them.

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A: What should be done here on Meta in case the close vote queue gets filled with questions?

The problem arises from users who go on systematic hunts for questions that technically fit criteria to be closed, but aren't actually getting in anyone's way. For clarity, this means questions that haven't been recently bumped by organic activity don't have a tag that needs final burnination r...

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@JourneymanGeek Spam account: meta.stackexchange.com/users/598379/hotelsindharmasthala

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog chewing noises

Not any nire

Aibobot

also erf

I really need to clean up the room of smokey's leavings when I get home

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Shadow Received your 100k swag yet?

Aibobot

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog As far as I know, 100k swag is on hold until they sort out the new vendor

404

2:20 AM

on hold, but not yet closed...

goes to propose Swag Review Queue

404

2:42 AM

After reading this tweet I thought the post got 2**7 comments but I see 0 ... The joy of self answering.

Apparently posting to dev.to is a new "in" thing among SE staff.

Well, considering the SO account was created Aug 28, 2019.

404

2:58 AM

Oh, I get it. First, there is a notification like "you got a like". Then "you have an unread notification" notification. Then two separate notifications about two unread notifications. Etc, in increasing powers of 2.

Tinkeringbell

5:36 AM

Morning!

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Long overdue for a chimney sweep

Tinkeringbell

6:07 AM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I'll get to it once I'm off mobile ;)

rene

→ 37 messages moved to Chimney

I've left a few ....

Tinkeringbell

7:07 AM

@rene something something males and cleaning....

→ 23 messages moved to Chimney

Journeyman Geek

7:20 AM

@Tinkeringbell busy :/

I just spent 2 and a half hours creating helpdesk cases

I believe that comes close to my personal idea of hell

M.A.R.

7:36 AM

@JourneymanGeek Mine also involves humid tropical climates.

With annoying demanding clients

Magisch

My personal idea of hell is a crowded party in humid and hot weather

so basically the town fair last week

M.A.R.

And you've just woken up from a slumber because it's too hot to do anything else.

Your hair is messy

Magisch

10 minutes in I get a splitting headache and then can't leave. If you ever want to torture me, thats how

Aibobot

@Magisch I live in the tropics

and my clients are demanding

annnnd helpdesk

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek I was talking to rene about leaving a few ;) Being busy is a good excuse, don't worry ;)

Magisch

7:44 AM

@Aibobot I do not, I'm not client facing, but I have a bit of helpdesk going on

which is fine cause my coworkers are OK people

Aibobot

@Magisch we're basically everything lol

I don't mind helpdesk on its own sake but we're kinda overloaded

M.A.R.

@Aibobot Run helpdesks for helpdesks

Aibobot

actually....

in a sense....

Magisch

@M.A.R. so a level 2 support helpdesk then

Journeyman Geek

8:07 AM

@Magisch helpdesks all the way down?

M.A.R.

9:43 AM

SD . . . GAAA

The last ones weren't deleted though

Tinkeringbell

You had 8 minutes to flag/delete it :P

(since the last one). You feel I should leave them around longer?

M.A.R.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Sucky spam: travel.stackexchange.com/a/145221 by bot on travel.SE

@Tinkeringbell If the spam is deleted on 2' 1" I'm perfectly OK with deleting it

Not just Chimneying it

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. Chimneying works better though: Leaves only 1 message. Deleting would still leave a lot of [removed] :P

I don't really feel like checking every post I move to see whether it's deleted though ;)

M.A.R.

Hmm, yeah, maybe it's safer to keep the newest messages around in case one spam post isn't deleted

Self-jinx

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. Meh, you either clean up or not :P

M.A.R.

9:52 AM

@Tinkeringbell I think a while ago I saw a mod doing some trick that left just one "removed"

Can you remove the removed?

More work, but

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. Move them to a room, then remove the 'moved' message?

M.A.R.

If I were a mod I'd definitely do it that way. Feels very satisfying

@Tinkeringbell No, they were like, 5 mod-removed messages, and they did something so they ended up as just one "removed"

Tinkeringbell

Just tried... there isn't much satisfaction ;)

@M.A.R. Ah.

Can do... lot of work.

M.A.R.

Y U REMOV MASSAGE Heads to meta

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. Because meta has been quiet lately :P

M.A.R.

9:55 AM

I was invited to Trash. That's . . . kinda nice

One man's trash is another man's litter

Tinkeringbell

I picked a Sandbox :) Filled with Trash :P

M.A.R.

Now I wanna go check out chat.SE's trash

I am craving drama.

Tinkeringbell

Have fun. I'm craving lunch and going to see if I can get some accomplices ;)

M.A.R.

Bon appetit!

. . . Crap. It's filled with EepsCommentBot.

Then again

Shree

Unable to login on https://data.stackexchange.com/ using my regular yahoo mail.
No OpenID endpoint found.

M.A.R.

10:01 AM

@Shree My hotmail works, so the only possible conclusion is Yahoo sucks

Even more than Hotmail.

Aibobot

"they could have killed off openid?

M.A.R.

Literally, that's the name of the achievement in the game

Shree

Thanks.

M.A.R.

Captain Obvious says you should flag it instead of wasting your time commenting

Or leaving a chat message about commenting

Or leaving a chat message about the chat message about commenting

SOMEBODY HALP

Shree

ERRR when login with stack exchange they treat me like I am new user and all my query are gone.

Is there way to merge my account with my old yahoo account ?

Aibobot

10:16 AM

I remember someone did it before

but not how

Shree

May I ask this on meta and request for help ? Or this is off-topic.

M.A.R.

@Shree I think it should be on-topic. Just ask "Is it possible to merge an old and new data.SE login?"

Shree

Thanks.

rene

10:37 AM

@Tinkeringbell /me flags message as unkind

Tinkeringbell

@rene Who says that was meant in an unkind way? Perhaps I appreciate the way males clean :P

Try to assume a tiny bit more good intentions! :P

rene

lol

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell d'oh

M.A.R.

Gets obsessed with removing stain

Uh, I think I cleaned my pants off the fabric of the universe.

Tinkeringbell

No worries, it's fixable. Ask your mom or grandma ;)

M.A.R.

10:51 AM

Too lazy. Far from reach.

Journeyman Geek

@Shree at worst there're dupes

M.A.R.

At best there're . . . dupes.

Shree

ohhh. Hammer it.

M.A.R.

Chocolate decadence?

Sep 1 at 7:33, by M.A.R.

Now I've seen everything

I'm just gonna make that a catchphrase.

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. WHERE!?!?

I want some.

Journeyman Geek

10:57 AM

@M.A.R. which one?

Magisch

isn't cocolate poisonous to birds and dogs

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Yes. But I eat it anyways ;)

M.A.R.

In . . . uh, Atkins Advantage? Sounds like a tear gas production company than chocolate

@Magisch It's not poisonous when they want it

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. Oh... I don't like chocolate with Hazelnuts. Too bad!

M.A.R.

Sheds a tear

Aibobot

11:09 AM

@Tinkeringbell now I'm curious to how europeans would react to whitackers...

(milk chocolate - stuff's made in hobbitland... I mean new zealand)

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I mean is his catchphrase chocolate decadence?

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek No it's "SD K"

What were you doing all this time not noticing it?

Tinkeringbell

@Aibobot Looks good :)

Martin

@MetaAndrewT. I posted the question about the community bulletin after seeing this feature request on MathOverflow Meta: Can we get rid of the “featured on meta” main meta links?

If you think that it might be a good idea, maybe you might post your suggest about changing the order of items in the community bulletin in that thread...?

Personally I do not have anything about network-wide items in the Community Bulletin - although probably some people do. (So far that feature request got only a few upvotes. I do not know whether there were some discussion on other per-site-metas related to appearance of posts from Meta Stack Exchange in the community bulletin.)

Zaibis

11:27 AM

@Tinkeringbell: I can also bug you here about it, more likely someone else might join on it, too ^^ So now seeing that meta post about the change just having been edited like one year after it changes were supposed to be in effect... How it came that it never was in effect? I mean there was an official statement saying it is in effect from march on. Or is it simply cause ToS haven't been changed and the ToS still outweight the meta announcement?

Tinkeringbell

@Zaibis Pffft... hard question! The edit was made to emphasize this, so probably somewhere there's an answer or comment stating that this never went live to begin with ;)

M.A.R.

this never went live to begin with. Period.

Wait, what are we talking about?

@Martin I think a similar discussion has been on meta.SO around the time they removed hot meta posts there.

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. meta.stackexchange.com/q/272956/369802 Old (gh/p)osts :P

M.A.R.

@Tinkeringbell Eh, isn't the first statement in bold statement enough?

THIS HAS BEEN DELAYED INDEFINITELY

I read that in Darth Vader's voice.

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. I think Zaibis is just trying to understand history, and why it was never implemented March 1st, '16 ;)

Zaibis

11:32 AM

@Tinkeringbell yeah, I would assume the same. But as long I can't find it, I can't proof it to my coworker wanting me to assume code on SO being MIT

Tinkeringbell

@Zaibis Tell him I said code on SO isn't MIT :P

Zaibis

@Tinkeringbell No actually since I am working for compliance, its an official work assignment I am following right now '^.^

Aibobot

@M.A.R. Pray it does not get delayed further...

Zaibis

Hanging out in this chat as part of my work... any of you could imagine that? :P

Tinkeringbell

@Zaibis I think if you link to that post, you'd be safe :) Or is he making trouble about that?

M.A.R.

11:34 AM

@Tinkeringbell understand . . . history? That's kinda the wrong way to do it.

Aibobot

@Zaibis Actually @Catija does that ;p

Zaibis

@Tinkeringbell He sent me that link to begin with '^.^ I now need to find any evidence that showed it NOT being MIT in the timeframe between March '16 and the edit on january 8. xD

@Aibobot fair enough :D

M.A.R.

@Zaibis That is horrible. My condolences.

Aibobot

@Zaibis uhm

that its proposed....

and never actually implimented...

M.A.R.

snort Brain dumps store hahahaha

Zaibis

11:36 AM

@Aibobot AHHHH great catch. Thanks. :)

Aibobot

OOI. YOU CLEAN YOU YOUR DUMPS MR...

M.A.R.

No u ooi

Aibobot

@Zaibis I used to game. I know how to ruin a rules lawyer's day ;)

M.A.R.

In terms of malice, this is quite pure and innocent, ah, the wonders of the youth :) — brasofilo Jan 9 at 20:57

I sometimes go back and read that post

Zaibis

@Aibobot Depends on their intends :) I mean in my office (compliance) we are more concerned about understanding the rules the intended way than in our favored way. But yeah, now you said it, I see that it never was the official statement as which I took it at first, and hence it doesn't really matter.

Tinkeringbell

11:38 AM

@Zaibis Also: meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/272956/13, at the bottom. At that time, they already decided to delay the change past March 1, 2016.

Zaibis

@Tinkeringbell uff, why it just got removed again. What a confusing time that mus have been at that point

Tinkeringbell

@Zaibis It wasn't really removed, this revision puts it in it's current position (at the top, instead of bottom of the post). The edit from '18 put it in a blockquote ;)

M.A.R.

The edit from '19 added ribbons

Zaibis

Also in the revision review... its so confusing to see somethign being replaced with the same words crossed out, is confusing as the removed parts are vissibly crossed out anyways, made it appear to me like there was nothing changed at all xD

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, sometimes revisions can be a bit messy.

M.A.R.

11:42 AM

I find it annoying that a /revisions link doesn't highlight anything about what's changed

You always have to go back to the edit timeline to make sense of anything

Zaibis

I am leaving now, thanks for your help on that matter, it brought me forward. :) by the way, does the chat have Attribution required, too? Or can I claim I figured all this my self? :P

M.A.R.

All my jokes are copyrighted. That's why they suck.

Martin

@M.A.R. I did not read all details, but it seems to me from those discussions that CB on SO is created entirely differently than on the other sites: [We’re removing “Hot Meta Posts” from Stack Overflow's sidebar for now; moderators now fully control [featured]](meta.stackoverflow.com/q/387546) and Creating a system for featuring posts. Tell the mods what you want.

M.A.R.

I'm gonna buy that because it's French.

Tinkeringbell

@Zaibis You can say whatever you want ;) Just remember that if they find out you didn't figure it out yourself, you might get in trouble! :P Good luck!

M.A.R.

11:45 AM

Or Spanish. Same diff.

Tinkeringbell

@Martin Basically, their CB no longer shows 'hot on meta' posts. So they have to use 'featured' on their meta to show posts. It still shows networkwide featured stuff too

M.A.R.

@Martin Well only recently. And there was another discussion that said "now that we don't have enough space for stuff in the sidebar, meta.SE announcement are cluttering things"

That was what I was hinting at

Martin

You meant probably this: Allow more [featured] posts in the sidebar?

M.A.R.

Aye, it's that one. Probably highlights the post's fate on meta.MO as well

Martin

You mean the fate of getting almost no attention?

M.A.R.

11:54 AM

. . . something like that. If you want it done, you gotta do it yourself and that sorta thing

So I guess someone should write a code for replacing that entire section with meta.MO posts

BBL taking a nap

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. You have time for naps? I'm jealous :)

Magisch

I'm burnt out on electronic delivery notes

Tinkeringbell

message received ;)

Magisch

I just now launched my new system to send them at work

it's been a 2 month long unmitigated shitshow

rene

message received received

M.A.R.

12:07 PM

@rene

Magisch

don't mind me just momentarily venting my frustration and anxiety to hopefully combat it :D

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Uf. Well, it's launched now, at least!

Magisch

I'm pretty sure this is some of the worst code commercially used

Tinkeringbell

But it works ;)

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell in a fashion

Tinkeringbell

12:15 PM

At least your code works ;)

Mine is being stubborn.

Magisch

I have a horrible daisy chain of validations going on, going so far as having a function that validates a generated dataset by calling no less then 19 different sub validation functions

so every created electronic delivery note does a hundred or so database queries, give or take

Tinkeringbell

Could be worse ;)

(Gotta run, I have a coffee date ;) )

Zaibis

12:56 PM

@Tinkeringbell Well its not like I had any intends to missinform my employer if they at all would ask. Its just that I was making a pun reffering to the attribuiton required ^^

Tinkeringbell

@Zaibis ;) I wasn't really serious either! :P We need to work on our exchanges of humour! :P

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell you do seem like birds of a feather :p

Tinkeringbell

I think we're pretty different :P But that might just be me ;)

Magisch

1:16 PM

I was just looking for a bird pun to make

I'm not on my pun a-game today

Tinkeringbell

That's okay ;) Sometimes you just have a bad day ;)

Magisch

My nerves are raw and my vacation starts tomorrow

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Oh nice! For how long?

John Dvorak

so, Tinkeringbell != Magisch && Magisch == Tinkeringbell? That just doesn't compute.

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell Next monday, tuesday and wednesday

Tinkeringbell

1:22 PM

@JohnDvorak No, Magisch was comparing Tinkeringbells and Zaibisses.

Magisch

I work tomorrow but then 5 days of freedom

Tinkeringbell

Nice!

Any plans?

Magisch

!(Tinkeringbell ~ Zaibisses) =>

@Tinkeringbell Lots of path of exile with the new league, visiting my aunt, visiting my other aunt and her new puppies and kittens

Tinkeringbell

Sounds good!

If you can, please please please share photo's of the puppies and kittens? :D

Magisch

I'll see if I remember it

they have a lot of pets

including somehow a chinchilla and some kind of colorful bird that is not a parrot

Tinkeringbell

1:26 PM

chinchillas are very cute too!

Magisch

every time I visit them I end up just playing with the pets

or walking one of the dogs

Machavity

Was there a change to mod red-flags? In other words, if a mod red-flags a post, does it show they deleted it instead of Community?

Tinkeringbell

@Machavity I don't think so?

Journeyman Geek

Not as far as I know either

Machavity

I've just seen some odd deletions of late. Wanted to make sure I hadn't missed a Meta somewhere

Tinkeringbell

1:33 PM

@Machavity Do you have a link here or screenshot if it's elsewhere? :)

Machavity

@Tinkeringbell 10k SO link. Couldn't tell if the mod sustained the spam flag there or was the sole spam flag. Maybe the mods just started deleting rather than red-flagging themselves

Tinkeringbell

@Machavity Don't have the rep to see that one... but we can indeed delete, which marks the red flag helpful and spam masks the post, yet shows our own name on the 'deleted by'. I do believe it might carry some consequences if we delete instead of flag, with regards to rep penalties and IP blocks (but I don't know for sure).

Machavity

That would make more sense. Might be a convenience thing for mods. Delete and red flags are marked helpful.

20k deletes do roughly the same thing (although I don't know if it applies the 100 penalty)

Zaibis

2:05 PM

@Tinkeringbell Maybe this "we" is rather an "I"? '^.^ As I am usually the source of these misunderstandings in regards of humor ^^ Anyways I am calling it a day, have a nice one y'all

Tinkeringbell

@Zaibis You have a nice day too, and don't worry too much about the humour ;)

rene

Foremost let's spell it as humor ....

Tinkeringbell

I spell it whatever way I feel like spelling it! :P

rene

That is going to cause havoc among the English language purists among us ...

Tinkeringbell

@rene Today I have a British accent.

Magisch

2:11 PM

@Tinkeringbell mod delete does not carry the -100 and spam ip block iirc

while mod spam flag does carry it

might be wrong though

Tinkeringbell

hey @Zaibis this one might help! :)

Feeds

“They Didn’t Teach Us This”: A Crash Course for Your First Job in Software

Max Pekarsky on September 05, 2019

creating branches, which delineate a new feature or line of work

submitting pull requests (“PRs”) for your local changes to be pulled into the central, or “master” repository

resolving merge conflicts when several engineers make changes to the same code

maintaining a clean git history by ensuring descriptive and accurate commits

rebasing, a common alternative to merging that helps maintain a cleaner, linear project history

cherry-picking, which allows you to move commits between branches

blaming, which shows you who previously touched the code you’re working with. It may sound accusatory, but it’s not. It’s there so you know who to ask for context, not to point fingers. …

rene

@Feeds again that "excerpt" is from the bullet list midway in that blog .... :(

Journeyman Geek

2:26 PM

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Q: Stack Exchange & Stack Overflow Are Moving To CC-BY-SA 4.0

Effective today, all Subscriber Content on Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange network will be available under the terms of version 4.0 of the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike (CC-BY-SA) license. This change follows our last Terms Of Service (ToS) update where we inadvertently introduced a ...

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7890723#7890723 :P

Journeyman Geek

I was distracted

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek I think I have the same distraction open? :P

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Tinkeringbell

Bad excuse then :P

Report to your superior for 10 minutes of petting ;)

Journeyman Geek

2:34 PM

So.. funny work thing...

Our hardware/system vendor sent out a powerpoint slide

Tinkeringbell

Just one? Or a whole presentation?

Journeyman Geek

basically went "This is a BSOD on windows 7 and 10. These are Blue screens of Non Death. This is a windows loading screen This is a windows update screen. For a BSOD, try rebooting. If its the other sort of blue screen, please don't contact helpdesk"

Well 7 slides

sadly no one was cheeky and called them blue screens of undeath, only non death

Tinkeringbell

Ah well.. the fact that such slides need distributing says enough ;)

Journeyman Geek

Well, the hardware vendor "borrowed" me cause there was an issue with our app...

I turned up, worked perfectly...

next shift guy went "Oh, he has the aura... stuff just works sometimes"

._.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Ah, I know that aura! Mom has it too.

Journeyman Geek

2:40 PM

@Tinkeringbell I figure its just working with computers a while and knowing the tricks

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Nah, my mom doesn't work with computers or does anything technical... but sometimes just saying 'mom the laundry machine is acting... oh nevermind!' :P

404

@Feeds They didn't teach them to cherry-pick and blame? What an oversight.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell or any specific machine ;p

Tinkeringbell

@404 blame? Software developing is about finding causes, not blame ;)

404

Sure. And the root cause must be identified by name in the outage report.

Tinkeringbell

2:46 PM

@404 Switch jobs. That's mean.

Or you could just go root cause = Unhandled Exception :P

404

That wasn't my job description, I remembered a ProgSE classic.

692

Q: My boss decided to add a "person to blame" field to every bug report. How can I convince him that it's a bad idea?

In one of the latest "WTF" moves, my boss decided that adding a "Person To Blame" field to our bug tracking template will increase accountability (although we already have a way of tying bugs to features/stories). My arguments that this will decrease morale, increase finger-pointing and would not...

teamwork bug-report

Tinkeringbell

@404 Oh wow... I didn't even know how to print hello world when that was written!

Journeyman Geek

dosen't git have a blame function?

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek yes... and it has been helpful for me in the past (when that bad coworker blamed me for stuff I hadn't even touched)... but it's still kinda mean if you're on a team to 'blame'. Sure, use it to find out the cause of a breakage and who's the best fit to fix it... but not to point fingers!

Kevin B

4:23 PM

but pointing fingers is fun

Tinkeringbell

Meh.

John Dvorak

4:36 PM

> To give a point to; to sharpen; to cut, forge, grind, or file to an acute end.

Tinkeringbell

4:55 PM

If you say it that way it sounds even meaner.

404

6:01 PM

Have you heard the one about 29 oldest beta sites not being in beta?

A lie was exposed today:

0

Q: I think that native speakers don't make mistake is a complete lie. ( Even if they make the money off by writing. )

Recently, I have read numerous amount of articles especially relating with Brexit and the U.S - China trade issues, and I am currently reading this one. There is a paragraph saying, On a visit to a police academy, he said whether the U.K. left the EU on Oct. 31 "really should be a matter for...

bug

I was going to propose that the feed of dev.to/stackoverflow should be added to this room, considering it's becoming a sort of an official blog of SO. (A second one, without all the marketing stuff that SO.blog carries).

Kevin B

pls no

404

But... is there any RSS feed at all? Apparently not.

Olivia

6:25 PM

@James: Not at all. Meta is for discussion of site policies revolving around a question, not the question's subject matter (i.e. discussing if the question is on-topic, not discussing the question's programming language or the problem being solved). Chat doesn't always have a specific question as a topic. This is one more place, if you will, to have offbeat freeform discussion that may or may not concern specific Q&As. — BoltClock ♦ 2 days ago

404

I was talking about the official SO account on dev.to, which publishes blog-like posts by employees, not offbeat discussions.

But speaking of those, is there a way to find shared SO posts on dev? There is a hashtag #stackoverflow but it's not obvious if the share button is adding it to shared items.

Scott McPeak

9:24 PM

I failed a review audit and I don't understand why. How should I seek clarification?

Kevin B

a link to it here would allow those here to critique it, or you can bring it to an appropriate meta crowd

Scott McPeak

Here is the review: stackoverflow.com/review/first-posts/23978517

The message said the answer was of "very poor quality"; is it? The answer was simply pointing at a project that might help the OP, and explaining its limitations.

It's also clearly not spam.

Kevin B

the answer... wouldn't in any way be useful without the link

Scott McPeak

9:40 PM

That's true, but if the question is "how do I do X", isn't a legitimate answer "use system Y", with a link to Y?

Kevin B

The author also failed to note that he was the author of the project

Scott McPeak

Right, I noticed that later, and should have noticed it during review.

Kevin B

eh, not if system y is a 3rd party project that isn't widely used

this specific case is a bad example of that though, due to it clearly just being an attempt to drive traffic to his project

Scott McPeak

Hmm. So what should Kevin have done then? He built something that might be useful to this OP. I any form of self-promotion simply disallowed?

*Is

Kevin B

"You could take a look at my project"

would be a step in the right direction

Explaining how his project accomplished it would have helped too, as people could then use those steps separately from the project

Scott McPeak

9:47 PM

I certainly agree those things would improve the answer. So what I should have done is write a comment saying those things?

Kevin B

I think it's a strange audit

i would have skipped that review entirely

Thing is, all it would have taken for you to realize this was an audit was to click the link to get more information

then you would have known it was an audit and what the "expected" outcome of the audit would be

Scott McPeak

I already skipped several. I don't really want to be doing this at all! SO just suddenly told me to review stuff so I'm trying to.

You mean the link to the answer? I did that.

I didn't know audits were a thing.

Kevin B

ah

well, if it's in review, it's not deleted

unless it's an audit

Scott McPeak

I figured something was up when the answer wasn't visible in the main question, but the system was saying it thought the answer was spam. So, since IMO it wasn't spam, I thought I had to accept it to make it visible.

Kevin B

oh, right, you can't see deleted posts

Scott McPeak

9:54 PM

Anyway, if I don't want to just skip, would commenting be a course of action that would lead to passing the audit?

Kevin B

yeah, i dunno what to suggest really. The audit is there to stop people from "robo reviewing", submitting reviews without paying attention. Everyone that does reviews gets caught off guard occationally

or eventually

In this case the only thing that would have passed the audit is deletion

Scott McPeak

I don't see that option. Is that what flagging would do?

Kevin B

I think so, i don't see the same interface as you

whatever would cause "recommend deletion"

Scott McPeak

My options are upvote, downvote, share, edit, flag, or comment.

I've never flagged anything so I don't know if I have options after that.

Kevin B

if you click it, it should give you a list of options

it's likely in there

Scott McPeak

9:57 PM

Ok. I'm afraid to click it now!

Kevin B

you're talking abotu the buttons across the top, right?

that include skip and looks ok

Scott McPeak

No I forgot about those. Top right I have "No Action Needed", "I'm done" (which is grayed out), and "Skip".

And there is "link" below some statistics like "viewed".

Kevin B

weird.. yeah i dunno which option would be correct in your case then

I get a delete button

:shrug:

Scott McPeak

To be clear, if I had only commented, you think I would also have failed the audit?

Kevin B

I want to say yes, but i'm not confident in that answer.

You should have a "More" button on the top left

with an explanation of what each button should be used for

Scott McPeak

10:02 PM

Because at this point I don't really feel confident enough in my assessments to do anything besides comment. And if that alone will fail audits, then I'm inclined to just not even try.

Yes, I do have the "more" link, and I've re-read that material several times. I wish there was a link to something more detailed.

Kevin B

Here's the key i think:

> You can also leave a comment on the answer, but you will still need to choose one of the above actions to clear the post from the review queue.

Scott McPeak

What's that a quote from? I don't see that text.

Kevin B

When i click on "More" it's below the 4 button descriptions

look at a fresh review rather than the failed audit

Scott McPeak

I have, "Be sure to leave a comment if you can help the user out, upvote the question if you can't find any problems with it, or click Skip if you are not sure and want to go to the next item."

I'm looking at a fresh review.

Maybe the system distrusts me and nothing I alone do can clear the queue?

Kevin B

weird. I don't get that anywhere on the page, and that's.. kinda contradictory to what would happen in an audit situation

You're looking at the low quality posts queue right?

Scott McPeak

10:07 PM

I don't know! I click the review button and have several choices, the one I've been using is "First Posts" since it's the first option.

Kevin B

Ok that makes more sense

I see what you see

then flagging it as low quality would be the equivalent of recommending deletion in your case

or not an answer, or spam, etc

whichever best fits

That's why i don't like this particular audit

Scott McPeak

Ok. Well, even after this discussion, I don't think I would call it any of those. To me, it seems like a legitimately helpful answer that could be better.

Kevin B

leaving a comment is a perfectly valid option for this specific answer

it just isn't what the audit is expecting

Scott McPeak

Alright. Thanks for the assistance feedback!

Kevin B

10:42 PM

heh, for me the most obvious clue of something being an audit is seeing a name a recognize in the closer list

Journeyman Geek

11:12 PM

@404 that's a problem. Maybe post in meta.dev.to....

github.com/thepracticaldev/dev.to/issues/28