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Aibobot

12:59 AM

whoa...

hackaday.com/2019/09/05/…

Stormblessed

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Q: Searching for text in smart quotes in dumb quotes doesn't work? “test: text” “xtest xtext” "dumb quotes"

It appears that if smart quotes (“”) are used in the title of a question, then searching for the quoted text that includes a colon in quotes in a search doesn't show the question. Noting that the title of this question contains “test: text” and “xtest xtext”, compare these two searches: "test: ...

@Aibobot that’s awesome!

Aibobot

It is ;p

Stormblessed

What does failing audits do?

Any penalty? I’ve never gotten any audits

Aibobot

@Stormblessed eventually get you review banned

Stormblessed

@Aibobot can failing non-audits cause that?

Aibobot

1:09 AM

which is temporary of course and needs something like 3-5 failed audits in a short time

@Stormblessed ... I do not parse what you mean by failing a non audit

Stormblessed

That seems really hard to trigger

Aibobot

snort

I got it on my main account on a site where was a mod

;p

Stormblessed

@Aibobot Doesn’t recommending deleting or not deleting a thing contrary to the others count toward that?

@Aibobot wait what

Oh you’re @Journeyman ?

Aibobot

(There was a time where review queue thresholds were tweaked. )

@Stormblessed no

the whole idea of the review system is to average out decisions

@Stormblessed I try to make this as obvious as possible - I use this account on my work PC

Stormblessed

@Aibobot oh so big brother doesn’t know about you?

Aibobot

1:13 AM

oh

uhm, two reasons

Stormblessed

Oh it’d be much worse if your other account were compromised

I guess?

Aibobot

I lost job -3 in a bit of a hurry so I'm slightly paranoid about handing over my PC in a rush

Job -2 had me running a horribly dodgy spare PC which I didn't trust

That too

Stormblessed

Oh

Aibobot

ALSO in theory, this lets me see things as a normal, theoratically low rep user

but I suck at that. I get lazy, post an answer and next thing I know, I have lots of rep on something that took me 30 seconds to write...

(see aibobot's SU account)

@Stormblessed well yeah

and my main account uses a google log in

and that getting compromised would be much worse

I'm slowly weaning myself off their services except for android and gmail, made easier by the fact that google keeps killing off stuff I use :D

I do like having an SSO for stuff (and google login lets me use TFA, which is nice...)

At some point I need to make a case for a self hostable SSO option outside enterprise

but feels like its not the right time yet

Stormblessed

What is SSO

Aibobot

1:23 AM

Single Sign on

Traditionally and internally, SE used openid

Openid is a bit of a monumental mess

but it was relatively easy to run

Its one of those early decisions, like gravatar that made sense at the time, and when they got down to refactoring the code, got the chop

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

404

2:34 AM

My exercise in finding Wikipedia pages on increasingly obscure geographic locations reached its end.

Scratch My Arse Rock

Scratch My Arse Rock, (also known as Kiss Me Arse Rock), is a popular fishing location off the coast of Palmerston Island, an atoll belonging to the Cook Islands archipelago. The rock's name was reputedly conferred by William Marsters, the 19th-century progenitor of the Marsters family, which continues to inhabit and administer Palmerston Island today. The waters off Scratch My Arse Rock are noted for their abundance of parrotfish. Geographical data for the rock is available from the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency at Bethesda, Maryland, United States, to be found at Geographical Names...

Meta Andrew T.

3:45 AM

Looks like I can literally post "+1" comment on SoFT now...

@Martin I only posted that as.. umm.. general suggestion. But if it's about MathOverflow, I probably won't touch there because AFAIK they have special privilege. You're free to quote (or steal) my answer on there though...

Meta Andrew T.

4:04 AM

@Stormblessed not all SE sites have audits. Failing audits consecutively will get automatic review ban. "Failing non-audits" (because you'll never fail, only "dispute" the review) on consecutive clear-case reviews might get a manual review ban by a mod.

Scott McPeak

4:22 AM

I'm new to reviewing posts. When I review one, I get about 7 lines of somewhat helpful but still vague guidance. Why do the review instructions not link to the guidelines?

Aibobot

4:38 AM

@ScottMcPeak that sounds like the start of a great meta question

Scott McPeak

I was just looking into that, searching for existing questions. I'm mostly active on Stack Overflow. Should I ask in meta.SE or meta.SO?

Aibobot

Well if your're talking about broader site mechanics - I'd say MSE

Scott McPeak

In my mind it seems broader, but I've only seen the reviewer interface on SO, so I don't know if my concern applies to other sites.

I've only asked one question on MSE before and someone said I should have asked on MSO. But it was still upvoted so I can't tell if that was a minority opinion.

Aibobot

Well SO does have some differences

Meta Andrew T.

FWIW, it's the same on all SE sites (minus "Triage" and "H&I" which are only available on SO)

Aibobot

4:44 AM

Invisible mod hat firmly on....

So..there's three classes of meta questions

Meta Andrew T.

bug, bug, and bug

Aibobot

stuff specific to a certain question (goes on per site meta), mechanics (main meta is better but not off topic on per site meta)

and culture

culture is squishy

"Is it ok" can have a broad usability across the network

and then one site can do stuff differently

and being squishy - folks interpret it differently

If you really feel it belongs to another site though, a migration close vote or flag matters

a comment, less so

So in a lot of words @ScottMcPeak its a minority opinion not backed up by action

Scott McPeak

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I'll go ahead and ask on MSE.

There is an existing question that is very similar, but doesn't seem to be active. Is there anything to do besides upvote it?

Aibobot

5:00 AM

hmm

I don't believe in meta bounties

so... sadly enough, I don't think so

Scott McPeak

5:11 AM

That is unfortunate. The current situation is people are asked to review posts without much guidance, then they are likely to fail an audit due to ignorance (like I did on my second review; details above in this chat room), which feels like being punished for following the instructions available.

Aibobot

@ScottMcPeak here's the tricky thing - asking a question that goes "I'm aware of the previous question here but these things are different"

I actually think the "less experienced user" experience is pretty much on SO's mind these days

So it might work better than a question from 2014

Scott McPeak

So, just ask it even though I know it's mostly duplicating? (And link it of course)

Aibobot

and well

add some value to the new question I suppose

as I said, its tricky ><

Scott McPeak

Ok, I'll attempt to additionally convey the new user perspective, which is mostly absent from the existing question.

Magisch

6:03 AM

my local grocery store is on fire with the puns

the mango are labeled "MRE - Mango, ready to eat"

Scott McPeak

7:27 AM

I posted my question: Request: Link to reviewer guidelines from the review interface

Mithrandir

8:12 AM

@ScottMcPeak Nice. SE doesn't do nearly a good enough job of linking relevant documentation.

Scott McPeak

Yes; glad you agree!

Mithrandir

I think it's also related to the fact that the help center isn't very fleshed out. Most of the information about tools and expectations is contained in meta posts, where people won't find them. A lot of them should be turned into help center articles and linked from the UI.

Scott McPeak

Agree. I've tended to find most information by using google, which usually takes me into meta.SE questions and answers. The help articles seem to be a bit thinner, when they even apply, than the Q&A content.

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