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@Derpy Mistakes were made - and I'm pretty convinced at this point that... making it right is going to be damned hard, and take a lot of stuff that... folks really want to get right.
It does feel like perfect is the enemy of good
But I don't think any one thing will fix it. Its not about an apology. It is, but there's about a dozen other things that need to get worked on too IMO
look, I didn't want to give any suggestion on how to handle this since I believe my personal view is pretty clear but probably deemed too much "fairies, songs and dancing unicorns" by both armies.
I was only pointing out that probably @Andras never intended to imply that an explanation was needed but just that so far many of the messages we received were just acknowledging and explaining the problem while trying to avoid any form of expression of actual feelings about said problem.
@Derpy My reaction was meant to point out that if you have to explain to people that people make mistakes before making your apology, you've met the rare a-hole that's never going to accept the apology no matter what, because they stand firm in the belief that people aren't allowed to make mistakes and/or are supposed to work without making mistakes
@Tinkeringbell and again, while that is probably true, I was pointing out that Andras never said he felt an explanation that mistakes can be made. On the opposite, he seemed to want to point out that he felt that an explanation that mistakes are possible is the only thing that was giveng.
I think anyways that people feel that just an apology is not enough for severe mistakes, it either has to be followed by real consequences (please no) or a comprehensive write up of how it happened, what was done to ensure it won't again, and what led to it.
The example with the emails was deliberate though. With GDPR, sending emails to the wrong list has the potential to just end the company flat out if you get audited and fined as a result of a complaint
@JourneymanGeek Yes. But saying 'People make mistakes all the time, we're sorry'... It diminishes the quality of an apology to me, a lot. It's acting like I don't know people make mistakes...
I'm actually semi-glad they're taking their time for this. The time to save the "too late" part of "too little, too late" is already past, might aswell make the other aspect of it count
But to be honest I thought this room had moved on and was a lot more fun again. I'm not in a mood right now to get dragged back into feeling sorry for myself. See ya!
'People make mistakes all the time, we're sorry'... does indeed diminishes the quality of an apology. Starting with "People make mistakes all the time" already seem to indicate that you think what you have done isn't really bad because "people do mistakes all the times" - it should be something that was bound to happen eventually and the "victim" shouldn't be surprised or complain because it is just natural.
now, if you remove the "we are sorry" part...
to me it just seems you are diminishing the importance of the issue / error
"I am not evil, people make mistakes all the time, why are you looking at me?"
Basically, it makes me feel more like you are annoyed that people are making such noise out of a thing that "happens all the time" instead of being genuinely sorry.
@Derpy I don't think its really about that. Or Just that
That's something for the short run, but I think there's also a matter of examining, or re-examining how the relationship between SO/SE communities and the company goes.
@JourneymanGeek maybe your perspective is colored by insider information you have, but outside of 1-2 comments and 2 answers on meta the public has recieved no reaction
Many arguments were made on that meta comment that basically said a part of the staff is "mad" at the community for "reasons". That is at least a proof that the relationship between us and the staff is ill. But IF I had to say something, I would add that I have the feeling that the relationship between the staff employees and the company is ill too.
Well you know, when I have one group of users shouting "We're on internet time here, and you're not going fast enough!" in one ear, and another shouting "I hope you die from cancer!" in the other, I have only but two middle fingers to give.
@AndrasDeak "Time for a new job" is not an option sometimes. So, at least give them the benefit of doubt - I think many of them aren't happy about the current situation too.
some of the employees answers are obviously venting frustration and some may find them rude, but keep in mind that some of their action may be imposed by company level decision.
Back in "ToS incident days" he was the lucky face to be chosen to take the blame... he didn't seem very happy with the course of action he had to implement...
@JourneymanGeek it has a strong unique smell, some just don't like it. Like some kinds of fruit, too lazy to translate. (e.g. "afarsemon" in Hebrew has a special smell I don't like.)
The persimmon (sometimes spelled persimon) is the edible fruit of a number of species of trees in the genus Diospyros. The most widely cultivated of these is the Asian or Japanese persimmon, Diospyros kaki. Diospyros is in the family Ebenaceae, and a number of non-persimmon species of the genus are grown for ebony timber.
== Names and etymology ==
The word Diospyros comes from the ancient Greek words "dios" (δῐος) and "pyron" (πῡρον). A popular etymology construed this as "divine fruit", or as meaning "wheat of Zeus" or "God's pear" and "Jove's fire". The dio-, as shown by the short vowel 'i...
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== Polystyrene... ==
What's the URL where you can view all activity on a post again? I can never remember it. I thought it was just to append /activity after the question ID but apparently that's not it.