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2:59 AM
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Q: Why does Joe Friend (and a few others) have two Stack Overflow accounts, each tied to the same Stack Exchange profile?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog(Please read carefully. This isn't about sock puppets.) I just noticed that our friendly Joe Friend has two Stack Overflow accounts, only one of which has moderator privileges. He seems to have another account, which is listed as having the same network account as the former account, and the sam...

Any update?
It seems the friendly Joe had attempted to obscure his doings by closing that question as unclear
3:31 AM
he commented on that in the past
here i think
May 9 at 4:29, by Joe Friend
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Very strange. Not sure how this happened. Maybe @AdamLear can shine a light on it when he's around.
to you actually
4:10 AM
Reading Shog busting no-repro closed MSE questions... that was fun!
4:20 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username: Identifying 5 unknown substances by Anonymous Teacher on chemistry.SE
@SmokeDetector this annoyed me... a trolley doing non-trolley thing?
4:37 AM
@Catija (re chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/45373261#45373261) There are only four users with the maximum possible candidate score on MSE (37), of which one is inactive. Just the stats.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog And your score is...?
@Catija 15, I have 10/17 badge-based points
But only 5k (rounded down) rep
But soon that will be 6
Not really sure why you moved the conversation here.
Because it would be "awkward" to have a Meta-related conversation on IPS's chat room.
You're the one who started the conversation... and you're intentionally excluding Ash by moving here.
4:40 AM
...why did you shift conversation over here (and also that feels a little rude to do so considering I was also participating in the conversation)
No...Ash just came here. I was about to post a message directing them here.
Still, jumping rooms like this feels...odd. And kinda isolating for anyone who reads teh TAS conversation and then wonders why it suddenly ended
I really don't see why you feel it necessary to move the conversation at all.
I don't think this really...serves a purpose
:7063502 That's rich. You're telling me to be patient?
4:42 AM
Oops...I seem to have lost my congeniality again. :(
(It happens from time to time with me.)
(Conversation moved back to The Awkward Silence beginning here)
5:03 AM
This conversation is too hard to follow. Next time, please quote all messages in both chatrooms, simultaneously, for the benefit of everyone not in either.
5:34 AM
@ShadowWizard hmmm ... FWIW I only checked the question and chose the same close reason as Sonic. Since there's no close reason "answer no longer needed" and I've yet to see somebody use a custom off-topic reason "I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because answers on this question are no longer needed" I can hardly people asking this question anymore.
Or does FAQ mean "Formerly Asked Question" now?
FWIW, I've "welcomed the question to 2018".
5:54 AM
Six messages in the current star board by Shog9.
@Shog9 I did that once for a co-conversation between here and Charcoal HQ and was told to stop.
6:12 AM
"Chat conversation should be self-contained", yes.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I only starred 2. Dunno who starred "yes".
so on the topic of trees
Does money grow on trees?
@Glorfindel still, closing faq makes no sense. If anything, have the faq tag be removed first, then close.
I'm also not comfortable closing faqs as duplicate like @Sonic did, would never do it myself, since it creates weird scenario. Ideally, the two topic will be merged somehow.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog no, can't see how it's related. If you want me to use hammer for non trivial cases, please explain when asking, will save some time.
6:23 AM
@SomewhatMemorableName Depends. In the us, it eventually grows on a plant
@ShadowWizard See comment
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I won't close based on comments.
First have the OP edit the question, I close based on question content.
@ShadowWizard this...
and there's such a thing as being too overzealous about duplicate closes ;)
@ShadowWizard Yeah, not quite a dupe. Please reply to their comment.
One can ask "How to delete a question?", then post a comment "Wait, no, how to edit a question?". The question will still be "How to delete a question?".
@JourneymanGeek trying to be not too overzealous, but also use hammer when it's needed. :)
6:26 AM
@ShadowWizard I don't particularly like my hammers
Golden, or Modly
@JourneymanGeek burn them with fire
@ShadowWizard alas, I cannot put down the golden one, and the modly one has other uses ;)
Well, diamond is easy to throw away. ;)
@ShadowWizard it does sometimes have its benefits
@JourneymanGeek sure you can. Socks. :D
6:27 AM
@ShadowWizard hah, true
@ShadowWizard throw @CommunityWithoutDiamond
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog reply to what comment? All their comments appear to be replied by others.
@SomewhatMemorableName nah he's too heavy to throw, I'm not that strong. :D
eww code dump
That makes me miss my modhammer ;)
6:35 AM
20k+ ^^
Out of curiosity, is Cooking the only site with an all-female moderator team?
no clue, I think that'd be hard to figure out
I think I heard that somewhere.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog think only @Norm has enough data to answer this...
Since he's still active elsewhere, you can ask him, in theory
6:43 AM
voted loooong ago
At first I thought it might be about the SE Newsletter, but OP doesn't have account on any other site.
@Magisch now deleteable by 20K-ers
It seems @Tinkeringbell wakes up earlier than you do
That is possible
rene is a old flower
sleepy flower
6:47 AM
I had breakfast, read the newspaper and did the dishes before I joined here, in case I'm held accountable.
holds rene accountable
@rene another email address to be sent to spam avenger...
7:11 AM
!!/blame rene
@ShadowWizard It's Tim Stone's fault.
Stone... flower... okay.
Nature on the Meta
Actually... more like grave... o_O
I added my 2c to the meta post: meta.stackexchange.com/a/311828
@Magisch heh. Like Sonic, you're far from the common user, so this line of thought is pretty much doomed.
Most people can't take criticism well, no matter how it's given to them. They'll enter defensive mode, and see only insults.
7:25 AM
I still think it's an important perspective to keep in mind
@ShadowWizard mhm, the average person coming to SO to answer should be default more receptive though, no?
@Magisch yeah, but as discussed yesterday with @Travis, answer comments are something totally different.
@ShadowWizard The post makes no distinction between question and answer comments
stealing mum's food
Don't they breastfeed? @Yve
(e.g. cats and dogs are, dunno about horses, which are also mammals...)
7:38 AM
@Magisch I just checked your answer which has that comment. The answer, while it looks correct compared to the accepted answer, might looks like a "hint" compared to a "solution". Unfortunately SO doesn't really like "hint" answers (if I recall some posts on MSO)?
It's good that you learnt the expected quality on SO from that comment though :)
@SomewhatMemorableName If I hadn't gotten that comment, I might have continued posting these, maybe got downvoted, and then left frustrated
communicating expectations is important for new users
true, I agree
@YvetteColomb would you say it's horsing around?
but the tone of that comment certainly could be better, and some users certainly don't have thick skin as you :)
I don't really have thick skin
7:42 AM
@Magisch your case is good example for the collateral damage that the upcoming changes will cause, yeah. No doubt SO/SE would lose many users as result.
I probably got upset by that comment at the time and cursed at the computer
But it would have been orders of magnitude worse to not get a comment at all
I don't buy the "If you can't say anything nice don't speak" because I think a lot of the people who regularly snark also have so much value to add with the non snark part of their comments that getting them to stop would only leave more answers then already with no feedback, which is the least welcoming thing you can do someone.
I find it personally much worse to be ignored then insulted. At least if someone insults me unless it's entirely baseless there's some value I can extract
@Magisch not sure I agree, from a neutral perspective. No feedback is not insulting. Guess the next step would be to allow "Hello and welcome to Stack Overflow, thanks for your question/answer!" comments, or maybe even auto post such comments.
(these days such comments will still be flagged as "not needed")
@ShadowWizard I disagree. You've taken time out of your day to ask a question or help someone with theirs. No feedback is complete disrespect of that time
Getting actionable criticism couched in insults isn't ideal, maybe even very upsetting, but it's something
@Magisch only for you and very few other people.
Discussion: is upvote/downvote considered feedback?
7:55 AM
You represent the audience Stack Overflow should have, in ideal world. But.. the world is not ideal.
since that answer was +1/-1
I do consider them feedback, but on my early answers, I got neither
heh, perfect example of someone unable to take even hint of criticism: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/311829/…. Not my downvote there, and I was super polite in the comments.
And such people makes the major part (I'd take a guess at 99.999%) of Stack Overflow new users.
They don't get the answer they want to hear and they take off angry.
If you go through life with that attitude you get absolutely nowhere and get angry at the same time
maintaining anger is hard emotional work, that is woefully inefficient use of your resources and energy
@ShadowWizard Yeah, we'll assign blame to you on twitter ...
8:05 AM
@Magisch humans are exactly this: woefully inefficient.
not like computer
I don't have that much energy as is, gotta portion it wisely
Every bit of time I spend staying angry at the world could be spent relaxing or having fun. In that sense it is a zero sum game. And anger doesn't feel great either
Oh, there's a solution to that: be apathetic.
When I was a child and naive, I have a thought where I believe all people are law abiding. Eventually, I was broken badly when many people cut my queue. Since then, I don't care about the ideal world and the surrounding.
Harsh, but true.
I'm having this with my daughter these days, she's 8 and starts to see the world isn't as ideal/pink/perfect as we used to tell her it is.
So I try to gently make her see it, to prevent her from that "broken badly" part.
8:12 AM
sd k
Nowadays, instead of being angry, I just see them and think "poor people...".
Perhaps being pitiful doesn't waste much more energy than being angry ._.
I get these bouts of really empathizing with some people for no reason
Like playing out all the scenarios of how a flag could affect someone's state of mind
very draining
8:27 AM
@Magisch But that's what cacti need: much draining. Otherwise, their roots will rot... :P
So, don't let the water accumulate, just let it drain :)
@ShadowWizard yep, but they taste and explore what mum eats and that gradually increases. She was enjoying mum's dinner tonight.
@Magisch I'd say it's horse play :D
@YvetteColomb I hope you still gave mum the full dinner
@YvetteColomb huh, nice!
9:04 AM
> meta.stackexchange.com took too long to respond.
somehow chat works. So weird.
my internet has been horrible the last few weeks
@Mithrandir Hot? Bezeq?
bezeq, i think
With Hot as ISP, I sometimes have whole nights (10 PM until 4 AM) without connection, just like that.
About once a month or so.
The internet certainly gets worse after midnight, which is bad, because that's when I do stuff :P
9:08 AM
Probably that's when the ISP also do stuff like upgrades, updates, or just shutting down servers to save some money.
It's annoying as heck :P
True, but... it's business. ;)
Anyway those glitches with MSE/SE aren't local, I think.
9:44 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: which development company is good? by nisha singh on apple.SE
10:21 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: How to remove a watermark from a PDF file? by Crystal Wang on superuser.com
sd ignore doesn't appear to be spam
[:7063814] Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
[:7063807] <processed without return value>
[:7063794] <processed without return value>
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whoops lol
oh yeah, sd [x] [x] [x]let us mark several messages...
11:03 AM
Someone did an initiative to notify their site users about OpenID deprecation :)
Q: If you don't log in with FaceBook, Google, or the new SE-only account, act now!

Peter TaylorIt hasn't been very well publicised, but StackExchange is going to drop support for most third party logins in less than a month from today. This could affect a lot of the old-timers, because back when we joined the site it didn't have its own login accounts. Therefore this is a public service an...

I saw this on HNQ and now I'm both intrigued and feel stupid: physics.stackexchange.com/a/413889
11:29 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: What happened with Magento 2 Service Layer? by panel123 on magento.SE
11:42 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: How to Lose Weight Quickly with the Slimming Jab by Olive Health Travel Clinic on travel.SE
11:52 AM
@Sonic is this your close vote here? If so, can you please retract it? The API is still alive, it was just upgraded from version 1 to version 2 at some point, so the link appears to be "dead" perhaps. If not you, can you please vote to Leave Open?
oops @So has too many users...
@Glorfindel yet again.... how exactly is this off topic as "can't be reproduced"??? If there is something I miss, please add a comment explaining this. (I know you just followed existing close flag in the queue, but still...)
12:12 PM
@ShadowWizard the question is about v1.1 of the API, which is deprecated. I didn't look at the answers, sorry.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Why is there only one wizard's guild? by dietah on worldbuilding.SE
1:04 PM
>! test
(of course it can't)
1:29 PM
Q: Why doesn't chat allow spoilers?

Kendall FreyStack Overflow allows spoilers in the form: >! SPOILER Example: Why doesn't chat support them? They would be quite useful, especially for rooms that are frequently off topic and often have dicussions about movies etc. Many other sites, like Arqade, would make even better use of spoilers.

A: Using ROT13 in comments

AstralbeeI both use ROT13 in my own comments AND find myself agreeing with you. It does make the comments section look a bit of a mess and could be off-putting to first-time visitors to the site. I suppose we have to ask ourselves why people use it. They want to hide potential spoilers. Puzzling is uniq...

random post time?
A: Hide Content Editor webpart title

ChristofferIf the chrome type does not help you, you can just add a blank space as title. Just tried it out and it works. It's a ugly way to do it, but it works.

Random answer! :)
nah... the reason why I tested spoiler is to prove that chat cannot use spoiler (mentioned on that answer)
But "Random SE Post of the Day" could be interesting....
just like how Norm sometimes did it... :'(
1:34 PM
A: Are questions about how to make applications HIPAA compliant on topic for SO?

Daniel DiPaoloTo the FAQ! We feel the best Stack Overflow questions have a bit of source code in them, but if your question generally covers … a specific programming problem a software algorithm software tools commonly used by programmers matters that are unique to the programming profession ...

@SmokeDetector why?
@ShadowWizard That's not a report.
2:04 PM
smokey is the ghost in the machine
@Magisch No such command 'summontheblackgoatofregexbasedhtmlparsers'.
Also... meh.
@SmokeDetector k
@ShadowWizard That message is not a report.
2:21 PM
Is Smokey haunted again?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: Software For Visualizing Data currently displayed on a whiteboard by Jason Cash on softwarerecs.SE
I heard today's full moon, so...
2:39 PM
Plot twist: Smokey is a werebot!
@ShadowWizard Smokey shifts into a wolf on 'Homework Sunday'?
@MartinJames no, only when there's full moon.
2:56 PM
@SmokeDetector is this a new type of spam!?... or just a coincidence??
3:11 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Как сделать поиск доменов? by shaik on ru.stackoverflow.com
@SmokeDetector k
@SomewhatMemorableName heh, you know those messages are recorded on Meta Smoke, right? metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/125067
@ShadowWizard umm.. messages? what messages? whistles innocently~
@SmokeDetector f
@ShadowWizard *metasmoke
3:42 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Misleading link: Аудиозаписи в VK API by Иван Петров on ru.stackoverflow.com
4:22 PM
So CSP is now an actual security issue on SE sites, Chrome no longer is accepting X-FRAME-OPTIONS as a valid header
looks like SE has a CSP now but it needs to be extended to include frame-ancestors: self
and that will have the same effect as the current policy
Hmm actually it seems that x-frame-options is behaving weird anyway. I'd still suggest adding the CSP change
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body, email in body, messaging number in body: Police clearance certificate by Jarnail Singh on travel.SE
4:53 PM
@Shog9 irt that down vote discussion on MSO: I assume you have seen the comments here?
naw. Don't really care. As usual, just trying to get folks to think through their proposals a bit more.
OK, fair enough
@Shog9 ... there's always emoji.
@Shog9 Thinking... what is this!?
4:57 PM
Hey, I'm sorry!
Emoji: Unicode's outstretched middle finger
You are supposed to find that character and post it, not describe what you want to post
and I made Servy angry. My day is complete
5:13 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body: Creating a custom shortcut in Desktop by user844781 on askubuntu.com
offered an edit
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: Keeping the world alive whilst Players take a rest mid-adventure? by tran chung on rpg.SE
6:09 PM
We're investigating an issue. Next update in 30 minutes.
Ah, so the site is slow... might as well stop trying to fix the internet then...
Because they're physically unable to post an update sooner than that?
@rene I feel like you need to set higher bars for yourself
You think so?
Any bars you want me to try?
6:15 PM
@rene Koetjesreep
I can handle that!
@Tinkeringbell Why doesn't that sound really yummy?
@πάνταῥεῖ Doesn't? :P It's really the worst kind of chocolate you can get ;)
But it's edible. I am not as brave as rene, I won't eat them :)
Is SO working slowly for anyone el..... ah, yeah, me too apparently.
Probably that kinda stuff we called "Panzerschokolade" in the german army :P
6:20 PM
@TravisJ They're onto you now. Stop now and maybe they'll just forget about it :P
@SNAFU Ah... I thouht it was me...
in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by NathanOliver
I posted an answer and while I was waiting to see if it would go through I got a popup saying a new answer was added. Turns out it was my own and it was that slow that it served me my own notification
@rene Big nuts. (a Real product, lemme look for a pic)
It's Nick and Marc experimenting with .NET core :P
6:28 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Koetjesreep is not as bad as Kinder...
@Fabby No pun?
@Fabby Kinder is better... that at least comes with a toy
They make up for it :P
@Fabby Yeah, they have to spent a lot of ad budget to make it popular :)
@Fabby Funny thing is that's probably less offensive than this ad
@πάνταῥεῖ For some or other reason that product doesn't sell well outide of Belgium and the Belgians have no clue why!!!
6:30 PM
@Fabby Nuts!
SO seems to be fast again
@rene Ah... So you and @Tinkeringbell are both Dutch, so you should be familiar with Côte D'Or, though maybe not with Big Nuts...
I go nuts all the time ....
I have to send Big Nuts to my US colleagues all the time...
@Fabby I like their really dark chocolate bars :)
http://StackOverflow.com (and related network sites) are back and functional. We apologize for the interruption in service.
6:34 PM
@rene Yo're pretty good in hiding that at the public ;)
@Tinkeringbell Apology accepted. Maybe... Okay, probably. It's a work in progress. Acceptance in progress...
@Fabby Hahaha that's a whole lot of chocolate!
Lucky person who's receiving that ;)
Your apology has been received. Please allow 6-8 weeks for processing. Do not submit additional apologies, as this may delay processing; your apology will be accepted or rejected once processing has completed.
@Tinkeringbell Someone who saved my butt at work
@Shog9 Star bait!
6:39 PM
@Tinkeringbell A belgian soccer player most probably:
@Shog9 I'm sorry, but I do not understand. Why can't I submit additional apologies? What could possibly go wrong?
http://StackOverflow.com (and related network sites) are back and functional. We apologize for the interruption in service.
There's a lil' discussion at twttr BTW: twitter.com/dalijap/status/1012390915216986114
If someone want's to join.
My current workflow: unlock remote desktop session with long password that can't be copy pasted, get distracted long enough to have the remote lock again, repeat. And I really need to get this done ....
tab over to my editor, while waiting for it to respond, tab back to chat, repeat
6:45 PM
You should put a nap in that process somewhere.
Doesn't that imply such auto .... chrrrrr
.... matically
Or maybe that's just me... I'm going to go learn about Data center environmental controls now... Maybe that will facilitate the napping.
@rene Oh hey, I'm getting into that workflow too... open the session, have to look up something obscure about using SVN or Emacs (the former archaeologist in me is having a field day on this project)... and go back to find the session closed. Then decide to catch up on the SE chatrooms, clear some flags on IPS, get coffee, get stuck on small-talk and hey, it's lunchtime!
yeah, it is that day ....
But, I got the impression you were Dutch. Workdays are long over? :)
6:53 PM
@ShadowWizard No, I didn't close vote.
@rene and this after two step authentication to VPN?
@Tinkeringbell sst, I'm trying to cover up my own mistakes before anyone notices tomorrow ....
(username/password + app)
@ShadowWizard this Citrix RES stuff is beyond me
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog oh, so wonder who.. just noticed you were the first to close with that reason for many questions.
@rene well, some clients are paranoid...
6:57 PM
My client rightfully is
How so? Hacked in the past?
Nope, just the nature of the data being processed
@πάνταῥεῖ Obese Man U supporter
7:14 PM
I've got not much stance about soccer. Just neutral :3
You're out anyway and we were never in ... ;)
I am looking for that golden silence in the upcoming weeks ;)
I guess the ZDF is back to their regular program now?
There's been no regular program since many month anyways :P
7:47 PM
@JourneymanGeek Migrate to Meta please: superuser.com/questions/1335075/…
Use a flag. Don't ping mods here
Particularly since he's probably asleep... and there are several other people on SU who can take care of it.
Especially since there's a migration math... 5 3kers can take of it.
Ping spreader :P
All of the time
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