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12:15 AM

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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

12:42 AM

@Shog9 I've edited this to not have the link. Can you please undelete and redact the revision containing it?

Somewhat Memorable Name

3:04 AM

Huh? Interesting... it seems not only their MSE account was deleted, but also on another site I noticed...

Anyway,

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog two things. You're rarely going to get a question reopened by copy editing. Also Peter Mortenson has been doing this for years and it makes the network a better place

Somewhat Memorable Name

"Jobs isn't available outside of Stack Overflow? Why don't we create our Jobs!"... said QuantumComputing.SE

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek I said I "appreciate what [he does]" in my IPS question. The issue is, as the question is only added to the queue by editing once per closure, the author loses their chance because Peter's edit added it, and it was dismissed from the queue because questions don't get "reopened by copy editing".

Just wait five days after closure, or do it before it gets closed, and it's not a problem.

Somewhat Memorable Name

Well, I don't polish turd, and I considered on-hold questions turd.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SomewhatMemorableName What if they're later edited to a reopenable state?

There's a reason why edits by everyone add it, not just author edits.

Somewhat Memorable Name

3:09 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog then I will polish it after.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

(continuing) Or, talk to me, and give me a valid reason why you're still choosing to do it fully knowing that the author's chance to have their question reopened by editing is gone. I've repeatedly pinged him in comments and in chat, but he hasn't responded to me at all.

Somewhat Memorable Name

Huh, I don't know if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me? I stated "I don't polish turd", meaning that I don't edit on-hold questions unless I know I can salvage it?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:46 AM

@SomewhatMemorableName Sorry, I misunderstood. I do agree.

Magisch

4:46 AM

@Catija Personally, as the frequent target of snark and condescension, I'd rather still have the snark then lose the actionable feedback that comes with it

But that's just me

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

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Journeyman Geek

6:38 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog "or talk to me" - erm, If he talked to everyone who wanted to know about him editing questions, he couldn't either

and Peter edits... a lot of questions.

on a lot of sites

and has been doing it for years

blog.superuser.com/2011/04/27/peter-mortensen-editor-in-chief

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog ^ might be worth a read

Somewhat Memorable Name

I kind of... remember you have mentioned that specific blog to him back then though ._.

Journeyman Geek

Did I? I forget.

I ineffectually nag at sonic a lot ;)

Somewhat Memorable Name

I don't want to nag at sonic since it'd make me suspended on the chat...

Journeyman Geek

hah. I am the very picture of annoyed tact!

Or sometimes I just do tactical ignoring.

Who knows, some day I might get through to the idea that no one owes him personalised attention ._.

and that the systems we have in place are there for a reason.

Somewhat Memorable Name

Like, I'd probably make the bluntest(?) comment that I don't even know if it would make him understood his... erm, "mistake"... or instead, affect their feeling/psychology and worsen the situation.

Journeyman Geek

6:49 AM

hah, yup

But I think kinda ironically - my history and past annoyance with him usually are good reminders to try to keep it under control

(plus proper application of the theory of moderation, even as a non mod ;) )

rene

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Somewhat Memorable Name

Like this conversation/statement:

Jun 25 at 21:12, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I earned people's respect back in the Ano days.

Journeyman Geek

The follow up was a little amusing

Jun 25 at 21:12, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

And even now, I'm one of the fastest rep earners here.

Shog9

> They used dogs. They used probes. They used cardioplate crossoffs. They used teepers. They used bribery. They used stiktytes. They used intimidation. They used torment. They used torture. They used finks. They used cops. They used search&seizure. They used fallaron. They used betterment incentive. They used fingerprints. They used Bertillon. They used cunning. They used guile. They used treachery. They used Raoul Mitgong, but he didn't help. much. They used applied physics. They used techniques of criminology.

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 what is a fallaron...

Shog9

6:52 AM

I missed it yesterday, but Harlan Ellison died.

Journeyman Geek

and who is Raoul Mitgong?

@Shog9 he did.

Somewhat Memorable Name

@Shog9 waiting for meta post announcement on SciFi.SE...

Mithrandir

> For a brief time, I was here; and, for a brief time, I mattered.

@SomewhatMemorableName instead of waiting, goes to write it

Somewhat Memorable Name

Uhh, back to the convo I quoted, I have to say that I didn't respect him because he's Ano, I only respected his sincere anonymous editing. But alas, the interaction went bitter since the reveal.

Anyway...

Congrats Shog, you have once again successfully distracted the current topic to Harlan ;p

Journeyman Geek

heh

he also wrote one of the best/oddest episodes of B5

A View from the Gallery

"A View from the Gallery" is an episode from the fifth season of the science-fiction television series Babylon 5. The episode is unusual in that it is told from the viewpoint of two maintenance workers (Mack and Bo) as they witness the station being attacked. == Synopsis == Unknown forces attack the station; a pair of maintenance men go about their duties. This episode tells the story from the point of view of two members of the maintenance crew. We get to see how Captain Lochley deals with being in a pressure situation, and we get to visit many other members of the main cast. Sheridan orders the...

THe beauty of it is the protagonists were not heros, they were ordinary folks.

Somewhat Memorable Name

7:04 AM

Actually, that kind of "spin-off" episode is more interesting, like wonder if you're an ordinary person in the middle of Superheroes world, doing daily job, watching/reading news about Superheroes...

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Granted it was S5 (which was essentially "We got unexpectedly renewed and finished the plot arc already - so lets backdoor plot in case we can spin off, and have a bunch of great standalone episiodes)

user310756

user310756

more sleeping foal

Mithrandir

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Q: RIP Harlan Ellison

Harlan Ellison, author of many SFF works, passed away June 27, 2018, at the age of 84. He had written a multitude of short stories and novels, as well as TV episodes such as "The City on the Edge of Forever" from Star Trek. For a brief time, I was here; and, for a brief time, I mattered. ...

Somewhat Memorable Name

@Mithrandir looks like my vote is already there :)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

7:36 AM

@SomewhatMemorableName @JourneymanGeek You do realize that I can read the transcripts, and you do also realize that I have a condition which sometimes makes me act in a non-neurotypical manner at times? I think I've mentioned before that I'm autistic.

Also, most of the time, I prefer to be told immediately when I do something wrong. I may not take "no" for an answer, but I do definitely prefer the truth over politeness.

Quick tip: a good way to stop me from doing something is to not only tell me reasons to not do it, but also invalidate the reasons why I do do it. In most disputes, at no point has anyone asked me for reasons why I did what I did. (If I supply those reasons without anyone asking, I'm blasted for "justifying".) If you only add more cons to my pros/cons lists for actions, you may find that I may still decide the pros outweigh the cons.

Whereas, if you also remove items from my list of pros, I may not come to that decision.

@JourneymanGeek The same reason why you cannot get me to change my mind on things, is the same reason why I can't get Peter Mortensen to stop depriving post authors of their chance to get their post considered for reopening: I only added cons to his list, without removing any pros.

A good read: jamesmw.com/sixrules.htm

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Somewhat Memorable Name

7:52 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yes, I do realize, and I do know about your condition. And now, from here is my honest feeling: the problem, for me personally, is that sometimes you're pushing your condition about being autistic again and again, and I rarely saw an effort from you to improve this. I dunno for others, but that makes me less sympathize at you.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Feb 28 at 19:51, by Ano

@Catija Well, my neurotypical "emulator" is currently in beta, and does have some bugs, but it's much more stable than the early alpha builds. Unfortunately, it suffers from a critical bug where it sometimes crashes in areas of interests (such as this site); I'm currently trying to fix it.

TBH, if you met me in real life, I'd be much different than I am here.

Somewhat Memorable Name

I should have mentioned that I also had a real-life autistic school friend that annoyed me. However, since he improved his behaviour much, he became one of my close friend at that time. So it's not the first time I interact with autistic people. And, this might be harsh, but this doesn't me I'm not being inclusive to them, but it just a fact that there are many kinds of people that I can't really get close/conveniently interact with them, and I prefer to back off.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Autism is different across individuals.

Somewhat Memorable Name

Yes, and that's probably the conclusion that I might always have a difficulty in interacting with you...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

In real life situations, I can read implicit signals (e.g. body language) and change accordingly. Back in my previous incarnation here, I couldn't do that.

Somewhat Memorable Name

7:56 AM

(okay, done with my honest confession, no harm intended)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SomewhatMemorableName Honesty does win over politeness; it usually doesn't cause harm for me. If you notice me doing something that makes our interaction degrade, please tell me what I did and what feeling it provoked, so I can improve.

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After all, I'm trying to improve my own interaction, so that I can be a better advocate for inclusivity across the network.

Somewhat Memorable Name

Thanks, now I believe I can understand you better :)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Mar 3 at 4:28, by Ano

Sometimes we believe we're acting civil and compassionate, merely asking follow-up questions after getting what we think are unclear answers.

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Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Its also a certain unwillingness to change

And tbh, you assume that your way is always right. If you want inclusiveness, you also need empathy.

Mark Amery

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog IME an unfortunate part of the manner in which the loudest commentators on social interaction typically express themselves is that they tend to push their observations as rules, which don't have exceptions and can't be balanced against other factors, and then just avoid noticing all the times they don't follow them themselves. It makes it hard to have a reasonable discussion with such people, because by even trying to acknowledge the nuances you mark yourself as a Bad Person.

So, while I haven't witnessed it here, I'm pretty sympathetic in the abstract to the "nobody asks me why I do the things that piss them off and if I try to explain I get slammed for 'justifying'" complaint above. I see it happen to people everywhere (not necessarily on SE).

Journeyman Geek

@MarkAmery eh ;p

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Guess you didn't read the later messages.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I did. But here's the thing. People eventually run out of patience.

they're write you off at that annoying guy who constantly demands attention

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

8:41 AM

@JourneymanGeek This message of yours indicated to me that you may not have carefully read the next few messages. I don't simply assume I'm right - I make a decision based on the pros and cons. Most of the time, I believe the pros outweigh the cons, and in some cases one or more of the pros are a deal-maker.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I don't think that aligns with what I see.

For example - when people try to talk to you about your pinging habits, and how going through proper processes are better, you always dismiss it with $person dosen't mind.

You're always going to go the way that want.

In the case of Peter - He's (semi automatically) broadly fixing issues. Your only tradeoff is folks can't automatically get a free VTR by editing.

Fine. You can vote to reopen.

Or even flag if you can't.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek I'm not always active.

Journeyman Geek

So you can go at someone for doing something that broadly helps the network

or you can literally get off your rear and do something.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek That requires a mod flag, and the guidance is specifically to not flag for mod attention.

Journeyman Geek

Cause back in the day, pre mod-days I used to get stuff reopened via MSU

Where?

You can/should always be able to flag if you can't vote.

Or bring it up on per site meta

or bring it up on some chats

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

8:47 AM

You do realize that much of my arguments are based on ideology, not just how things work in practice, right?

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog that might explain why they're poorly recieved.

Somewhat Memorable Name

... that's why sometimes I have to throw out my ideology temporarily, because it's never ideal in real world...

Journeyman Geek

My ideology is pragmatism first ;)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek You can't "recommend reopen" flag to put questions in the reopen queue. Also, when the add-to-RV-queue-by-editing feature was introduced, the guidelines were rewritten to not use mod flags.

Journeyman Geek

citation needed

and I've suggested 4 different ways.

Somewhat Memorable Name

8:50 AM

I guess I'm okay with reopen-pls when you can't do it yourself...

Journeyman Geek

and I think the broader benefits of what Peter's doing is more important than making it easier for someone whose question isn't that good to have a chance to do a minor edit and kick things back into a queue where the post may still get rejected.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek If this is about the first thing, there's a declined FR. The second, I've had a mod flag asking to reopen declined.

Journeyman Geek

Maybe cause the question was crap.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SomewhatMemorableName New users don't have the rep to chat.

Journeyman Geek

You can do it then.

Somewhat Memorable Name

8:51 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog no, not new users, you, or anyone else that see it and can chat.

Journeyman Geek

But hey, I've gone on meta for that before.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

7 mins ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek I'm not always active.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog so, fix the ones you can

Mark Amery

FWIW, I also find Peter's editing frustrating. He's a prolific editor using tools - which is to say, he's effectively almost an automated system - but we have limited visibility into his process and tooling and he refuses to discuss it or take any accountability. I had to escalate to the mods previously to order him to stop auto-editing all technology names to be Wikipedia links because he refused to even comment on meta.stackoverflow.com/q/340157/1709587 to argue his side.

Journeyman Geek

hah

That's a pretty valid complaint IMO

Somewhat Memorable Name

8:54 AM

Anyway, on Anime.SE, I leave "active questions" tab open while I sleep, so I know how many posts were modified when I wake up, and thus I can prepare to moderate them.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek I didn't like it when someone else made a reopen request on Meta on my question on IPS, as I could no longer spearhead the process and provide a clear argument as to why my question should be reopened. I don't wish to do the same to others.

Journeyman Geek

@SomewhatMemorableName lol. I used to do that, then ~~I took an arrow to the knee~~ people kept pinging me in my sleep.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog shrug and folks have reviewed that question a few times.

And you win some, you lose some. I've had questions closed before, talked to a mod, saw their point of view, and dropped it.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek That was my initial feeling when the meta question was first posted, before that review even took place.

Journeyman Geek

And then it comes to

"My question was closed. Why was my question closed?"

So... some time back...

I hit a HNQ lottery on SF

Got a ton of rep off a question.

...ended up being a hoax and I lost all of it.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek "...while these other questions were kept open"..."thanks for pointing out those questions, they have been closed accordingly"

Journeyman Geek

9:03 AM

I didn't really fuss over it - and when a mod asked about it I went \o/

and... they moved my answer, and gave my rep back. Which was nice

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek I remember that story, but IIRC it wasn't you.

Journeyman Geek

but... I didn't want to make a fuss cause it was me

Your memory is faulty then.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

The data wiping question?

Journeyman Geek

Yup

I was specifically mentioned in the related meta post

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

You didn't ask that

Journeyman Geek

9:04 AM

No, I answered it.

and I didn't fuss over the rep loss, even though it wasn't my fault

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

This was an edge case, the system normally accounts for these through the +3, 60-day provision.

Journeyman Geek

You're missing the point.

Which is really that... you really can't/shouldn't whine at people every time something dosen't go your way

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I once argued that a question of mine should be undeleted, even though I gained 100 rep from its deletion.

Journeyman Geek

Autism or not, that colours the view people have of you, and makes it harder for you to actually get what you want.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I don't whine, I just ask why. Unfortunately, most people don't take it literally.

Journeyman Geek

9:09 AM

Once again - that's a perception I have, over the entirety of my interaction with you going back to the damryfbfnetsi days

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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I think of SE as a place where I don't have to invoke my aforementioned "emulator" all the time. It sucks up a lot of my energy.

@JourneymanGeek Do note that I was only 15 back in those days.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I knew a lot of very mature 15 year olds back in the day. And some very immature older people. I don't judge by age, only by how folks act.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog what about other people's energy?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

It doesn't on the sites themselves, as they were designed around that. But here in chat, it crashes due to the aforementioned "critical bug".

Somewhat Memorable Name

9:54 AM

Well, that's the issue that I still can't grasp: "crashed due critical bug" -> would it be fixed?

Martin James

@SomewhatMemorableName 6-8 weeks.

Somewhat Memorable Name

(I feel like nearing chat suspension...)

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rene

11:11 AM

If you like the daily wtf you might also like Internet of Sh*t

rene

11:30 AM

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Magisch

1:05 PM

There's an account on SO with 5900 rep and 895 answers :p

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Maybe they've just downvoted a lot? :)

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell Average answer score of 0.34

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I was told SO is hard :)

Magisch

tis'

Tinkeringbell

Funny. The two times I thought of asking a question on SO, actually writing it down worked like rubber-ducking...

I got an answer before posting.

Magisch

1:11 PM

happened to me more times then I care to admit

Mgetz

1:41 PM

@Tinkeringbell I've asked a total of three questions ever on SO

most of which should have been closed as too localized if that still existed

Somewhat Memorable Name

The only question I posted was actually my friend's question. The rest, like the impossibility of how Android app requests something from the system... got by searching Android's official bug reporting channel.

Tinkeringbell

I guess I just came late to the party. Now everything has already been answered or is so obscure...

I could start a boatload of questions on magik :P

Somewhat Memorable Name

Sometimes you have to go beyond the official documentation, like their bug report lists, or even their source code (if open source)...

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Feeds

4:46 PM

It traveled so far to reach me. I owed it my best.

πάντα ῥεῖ

5:21 PM

@rene If you like some German humor (the real one, not what bubbles up in the "fake-news"): twitter.com/Der_Postillon

Best is their weekly summary of letters to the editor :3

rene

@πάνταῥεῖ That Adult on board is pretty funny :)

And that cat with their 137 commands :D

πάντα ῥεῖ

Do you have something similar in the netherlands?

@rene Something completely different: Can you give me a short briefing what had changed the recent year at SO please?

I don't wan't to break in again with dropping at clangers :P

rene

We became welcoming, and C/C++ posts got worse, regulars grumpier. That sums it up nicely

πάντα ῥεῖ

Thanks, I'd expected that (don't ask why)

While I am planning not to leave (snarky) comments anymore, I am a bit afraid about using my dupehammer.

Where there any people banned of "abusage" regarding that so far?

rene

5:39 PM

Not that I know

πάντα ῥεῖ

Cya at the SOCVR in a few hours ;-)

rene

Don't get kicked at an instant please ...

(nor later for that matter)

πάντα ῥεῖ

I'll be careful about that of course :3

rene

Well, we'll see ...

πάντα ῥεῖ

I mostly managed so here (despite some little issues), so I believe I can manage that at the SOCVR as well.

rene

5:42 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ this will do: twitter.com/DeSpeld

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene Yes, that's looking quite similar.

rene

@πάνταῥεῖ if I'm around and start yelling at you, take it as a strong signal...

Mgetz

@rene I'm not sure if they got worse or if our expectations got higher due to better tooling

rene

Blame it on expectations :D

Mgetz

@rene turbo c++ and crappy professors haven't gotten any better

πάντα ῥεῖ

5:45 PM

@rene I ever took that as a "strong signal" grumpy flwr!

rene

@Mgetz turbo c++ ... oh my, is that still a thing?

Mgetz

@rene in some indian universities it seems

they don't seem to realize that code::blocks exists

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene It ever was in india, @mgetz is right about that.

@Mgetz They don't seem to realize that GCC/Clang + Eclipse exist.

As far I've noticed that's mostly at school and in rural india though.

Their universities are better.

The people asking for homework solving usually not.

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ I'm severely tempted to make a bundle of gcc or clang with atom and call it Turbo C++

πάντα ῥεῖ

LOL

Mgetz

5:52 PM

As best I can tell the trademark has expired

πάντα ῥεῖ

The bad news is that the old Borland c++ compiler stuff (now owned by Emarcadero), didn't really got essentially better over all these decades :-/

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ I didn't think they were still selling that

πάντα ῥεῖ

They're now living from vendor lockin's (at brazed faced high rates)

They don't sell Turbo C++ anymore though.

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ What does borland do that nobody else does?

πάντα ῥεῖ

You mean locking in customers?

Mgetz

5:56 PM

yeah

πάντα ῥεῖ

Well, we have to keep our customers just happy. Even if they want to change to Datev, so our software and support just allows such change smoothly. That protects your company from getting accused with bad reputation and angry reviews.

@rene No more "April desaster", I've been learning a lot from that shit.

Journeyman Geek

@πάνταῥεῖ one of my chat users has been complaining about needing to use Turbo C++

@πάνταῥεῖ also... tbh, you're not very good at picking your fights ;)

(cough those tweets at trump)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek I am doing these sideways. I don't believe they'll really care about it.

Journeyman Geek

Then what's the point?

πάντα ῥεῖ

To have a stance and spine.

Journeyman Geek

6:09 PM

I tend to stick my nose in either to win over people, or to protect/defend something I care about.

πάντα ῥεῖ

I'm also trying to protect my lawns at least.

Journeyman Geek

That's different

πάντα ῥεῖ

Following @realDonaldTrump at twitter is kinda masochistic though :P

Journeyman Geek

precisely!

Also, on the topic of tweets

I strongly believe what happens in vegas needs to stay in vegas

So, if you have an issue on moderation here, you might want to wait a bit and ask here ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

I don't got that impact as people like @noamchomskyT already have, but that doesn't mean I can't tell my thoughts, and especially for some idiots who draw themselves in the public like Don does.

Journeyman Geek

6:17 PM

XD

I don't have much of an impact

but that's fine ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

We do have impact. It's no easy to realize, but we do.

Journeyman Geek

oh, I do, with a few people and a few places. But I strongly believing in picking the places where I can matter the most ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

I didn't believe that my impact could be that large at my hometowns IT dev scene, but I have factually. I am impacting the technical college, I get requests about IT jobs and the appropriate companies. Why not extending that more: Stay on the Scene

Somewhat Memorable Name

As always, follow @Horse_ebooks

wait, no need to follow, just pick a random tweet and... umm... enjoy it?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@JourneymanGeek That doesn't meet the globalized behavior of politicians or companies well these days.

Also we should be allowed to ask for clarification:

@realDonaldTrump Errm, how do 6 month comprise an "anniversary"? Can you please explain that in simple comprehensive wording?

Tweeted by GntherMakulik on June 29, 2018 at 6:34 PM in reply to realDonaldTrump

Journeyman Geek

6:36 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ no, but it keeps things civil and in one place

πάντα ῥεῖ

That was civil enough :P

Journeyman Geek

and? ;p

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I am constantly getting well appreciation so far ;P

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6:43 PM

@SmokeDetector k

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@πάνταῥεῖ Trump never responds to replies, from what I can tell.

Kevin B

doesn't mean it doesn't have an impact

Shadow Wizard

Should I respond to Eminem?

Tweeted by reaIDonaldTrunp on October 12, 2017 at 12:24 AM

At least he asks...

Think I saw once he responded to some other leaders, maybe Putin or other person with same impact as he has, or more.

But @Sonic is right when it comes to ordinary people like us: with thousands of daily replies, he can't possibly respond to any, not to mention it will give him nothing.

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7:09 PM

D. Trump doesn't have real impact since there's no substance.

He knows how to deliver a "show" for silly and easily to impress people, and that's it.

Slim Shady is a god in comparison.

Kevin B

i mean... when said people aren't few in number, the impact is quite real

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Knows what he's talking about.

@KevinB You can eve impact as a single number, that's what I've been quite astonished of.

SmokeDetector

7:34 PM

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Kevin B

(s)

rene

> Well; this is the end of my happy story :)

Happy MSO answer

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7:53 PM

@Catija You can express at your profile whatever you like of course, that doesn't have any impact of how your content should be judged though.

Catija

@πάνταῥεῖ it shouldn't... that doesn't mean that it doesn't.

There are many users who intentionally hide their gender on the network out of fear of being judged.

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That's a totally silly FR, c'mon!

Bake me a cake plz!

And disclosing gender makes content better and sets into context?

Catija

No one said that it makes content better.

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And the feature helps how?

Catija

It doesn't. My answer doesn't support it. But that doesn't mean that visibility is bad.

Kevin B

7:58 PM

This is the part that i don't quite understand/have an answer to:

> It matters because people refer to us in the third person all the time in comments, and anyone who's not male gets misgendered extremely frequently.

like... i don't understand why that would offend someone, or what they'd want us to do differently. yeah yeah use gender-neutral pronouns, but it's so unnatural to the way people generally converse.

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