@yagmoth555 it's same as deleting a post after it gets a single downvote, even if it's good and will probably get upvotes in the future: legit but harms the site. If you see someone doing it repeatedly, custom flag asking to remove CW from all such answers should be fine.
@Mgetz sorry but your "most amusing meta question title for 2018" turned out to be a plop. :/
Probably depends on the site. I remove pretty much every CW someone creates on my sites. They're pretty much never appropriate.
Someone already asked that question about moving the "edited" note to the other side... I've already commented on one a few months ago but I'm having trouble finding it.
Yeah... most of the people I see using it are like "I don't know if this is really correct so I'm making it a CW so that other people can fix it for me"... and I'm like... uh... no.
I watched the first few episodes of Yuri On Ice! and my girlfriend who iceskates said that she thought that the character Yuri Plisetsky really reminded her of Yulia Lipnitskaya in that they shared similar features and backgrounds.
Are they connected? What about the other characters?
Community wiki is one of the most misunderstood and misused features of the SE network. The original purpose of CW was to enable collaboration on a post, it reduces the reputation needed for editing and results in collective authorship of the post instead of having an individual author.
But that...
@Catija sure, but question is what to do about it when seeing it. Flag? Move on? Answer isn't obvious, because not sure it's worth to spend mod time on this.
> Similarly, we're going to be really looking at the problem of people 'punishing' correct answers simply because they were written to what others perceived to be 'obvious duplicates'.
But what about the people who downvote otherwise good questions just because they're duplicates?
@TimPost Ah. I see. There's this sort of ... disconnect that bothers me with Dupes... duplicate questions are actually a really useful way to help people find the question they need and when the question is well-asked but gets downvoted, it hurts because it means that roomba will clear it and remove that functionality for the site.
But I don't know what a solution to that would be.
Ugh. Search is being annoying. I searched for duplicate:1 and it says there are ~380 someodd pages but when I click the last page, it tells me that search returned no results.
If you make a search for something that returns more than 10000 items in result. For example, search for only one letter "a" return 161,338 results on MSE. But if you select a page where 10000+ result should be shown:
In the edge case page 3227 shows zero results:
But this is actual...
@SterlingArcher That you know of, given what I've seen on the cybersecurity side I wouldn't be surprised if there is an active operation to raise reps of paying users.
The problem is detecting it is hard without a lot of compute power and very good heuristics
That punishes users for SE's failure to have a well-functioning search function. I find more dupes through the ask question page than through actual search.
so I searched "questions 2 communities" and this question is ranked more relevant than the posted one. anyway, it has been asked, and shouldn't be asked again
@TimPost that helps, doesn't stop the other physiological effects sadly. I can't drink that either I'm part of 25% of people that the sweeteners in it taste horrible too.
Regarding dupes I tend to downvote these if they were easy to find (be it in the related questions, google or whatever else), otherwise I'd rather upvote to improve the signposts in the network.
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't really think (particularly for MSE) that it's "fair" to expect people to think "hey, I should search for this on Google"... I've been using this site for years and I still never think about that option.
If I have just a blink of indication that a question asked at MSE probably has been asked already, I'll load google, type in meta stackexchange ... and mostly find an appropriate dupe. I am not gnat though ...
That sort of misses my point. Users generally are going to assume that the on-site search function is useful for some definitions of useful and won't even think of trying to search Google.
@JourneymanGeek on SU, the mod refused a custom flag (the CW I talk earlier), and asked me to direct my question directly to the user in chat, it's weird.
> The Caretakers answer limited questions of challenging nature and fetches maximum reputation against those questions whereas Reputation Collectors answers have so many low quality and duplicate questions to gain the reputation point. We have developed algorithms to identify the Caretakers and Reputation Collectors of the site. Our analysis finds that 1.05% of Reputation Collectors post 18.88% of low-quality answers.
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I guess "reputation collector" is their academic synonym for what we used to call "rep whores".
But it also assumes that people know how to even use Google search... :shrug: I guess, for me, it comes down to any other question. If it's well asked, I upvote. If it's not, I downvote. I have a pretty lax concept of "effort" that requires them to actively prove to me that they've not looked for an answer to their question - for example "I haven't watched the movie yet but what happens at the end"...
Failing either of those, I just don't vote... which is a perfectly acceptable choice. :)
Any operator overloads should be done very consciously and careful. Probably Bjarne's idea to overload the shift operators for stream in- and output wasn't really a good idea. But well he was new to his language then :3
It's extremely hard to make internationalized output variations using the overloaded versions.
@Catija can be "solved" by fundemental change of SE, e.g. get rid of downvotes, which will make most of the "hardcore" users to leave. Maybe others will take their place, maybe not.
That's very short sighted. There are absolutely posts that need to be downvoted, particularly answers that fail to do their jobs. This site functions on negatively-scoring posts... questions that have positive scores even after being closed) can't be deleted; answers that have positive scores can't be deleted by users. Without downvotes, there's no way to automate Roomba and indicate when it's OK for users to delete posts.
Because the answer I linked was on a question about the HNQ and Jeremy really dislikes the HNQ and B is right next to N... so it's an educated guess... and
@Catija that's true, but as long as there are downvotes, there is no solution to people who use them in a way that other people don't like or understand.
@KevinB It's impossible to decide value of a low-interest post vs a bad one that way. If no one knows or cares, it will stay low-scoring but positive. If it's bad, it will go negative... without negatives, the two would be indistinguishable.
@Catija I didn't say "get rid of it", I said "getting rid of it will solve the problem you mentioned". Never said I agree to this or think it's a good idea. :)
Without downvotes, Stack Exchange will have to become social to survive. I don't think it will survive, but that would be about the only other option. Kind of the complete opposite of current Stack Exchange.
sorry folks, but people won't stop dumping plastics into oceans until you personally show them turtles stuck in plastic and explain them why they want turtles around.
So... the thing to remember is that while SO/SE isn't a social network, it most definitely is social software - that is to say, people use it to interact with other people, there are rules and conventions about how they do so, and a lot of little bits of etiquette that aren't necessarily rules but affect how folks interact.
As a result of this, no feature that affects more than one person can be discussed in isolation from every other feature that affects more than one person.
So anyway, to imagine what the site would be like, you gotta identify those roles first... And then think about what folks are gonna turn to if the downvote button isn't available.
@SterlingArcher yeah, that's a good bet for a lot of people - you can observe it on numerous other forums, past and present. Heck, UserVoice provided a good contrast when SO first launched: no downvotes, just upvotes and comments... First thing you noticed was that the same folks you saw being helpful on SO got really mean on UV.
That brings with it subtleties as well though: for example, if you can't downvote then you might try to alter the ranking by not just criticizing the answer you found unhelpful, but also praising other answers.
@SterlingArcher right. So, I posted stats on comment deletion & flags here a while back, but the tl;dr is that very few comments get flagged or deleted now.
@SterlingArcher probably not. But I think it's worth the exercise in discussing it, because I've seen a LOT of really naive discussions on this and similar ideas.
@SterlingArcher No - I mean that 1-rep users cannot be sanctioned. They don't care about losing rep that they don't have. They can harrass anyone they wish to.
A society is a game of Jenga - you can't just arbitrarily remove bits you don't want, or the whole thing will come crashing down. You have to plan ahead and allow for alternative means of support.
@doppelgreener with difficulty. We did try that once, back in the early days of SO... Keep in mind, if the social purpose of a comment is closer to a vote than... a sincere attempt to help, then you have the clique / brigadier problem: folks will band together to protect their own votes (which are clearly attributed)
@Catija I know that's a limited solution, but it's an option. My point is that a 1 rep user who doesn't care about what they do isn't going to disrupt much
1 rep users can only comment on their own posts, so it's pretty easy to quiet them by just deleting their problematic post or deleting the comment of the person they're bothering so they can't be pinged any more.
Also, I don't think handing comment flags over to the community is wise. Look how horrible community managed chat flags go. Nobody reads the context and people get suspended for nothing
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@Shog9 I'm not sure I'm parsing this correctly. Are you saying there are more problematic comments thatn before the blog post?
@SterlingArcher which is still kinda predicated on the assumption that the person cares about what others think and doesn't want to lose their status (meager though it may be). Suspending accounts where the person doesn't care is meaningless; they just recreate them. See: why we don't usually bother to suspend spammers.
@user134300 no, I'm discussing a hypothetical situation in which there are suddenly no downvotes and everyone who would've formerly downvoted leaves a comment.
the entire concept of suspension is that it's easier to get someone to stop doing something of their own volition than it is to force them to stop when they're determined to keep doing it.
Warning: this is long, rambling and extremely boring. I'm writing it because I tend to get a lot of questions regarding the rationale for changes to the moderator tooling on SO, and I'm hoping to have something to point to next time. If you already know all there is to know about this - or just d...
@Shog9 right, that makes a lot of sense. :/ like selectively deleting debate. or, if there's a competing answer to your own and someone suggests an improvement to it, you delete that suggestion so it stays worse than yours. who will notice?
What is the site-wide ratio of deleted comments? In addition, it would be also nice to know:
A breakdown of the deleted comments by deletion trigger, including the various flag types as well as self-deletion; and
The ratio of deleted comments within the previous day, week, month and year, which...
I have a few thoughts about this, which I've organized under roughly-independent headers...
The literal answer
First, it's worth noting that Stack Overflow had the notion of closed questions before it had the concept of close votes. So it's not necessarily true that "no close votes" would equa...
...with a related impetus: folks often discuss closing as one of the "mean" features of Stack Overflow, overlooking the fact that most forums just delete threads without oversight or recourse
@MartinJames Meanwhile I am just avoiding to comment anytime, unless I am absolutely sure my comment will be useful and not achieved as snarky, snide, patronizing or whatnotvever else :3
I watched the first few episodes of Yuri On Ice! and my girlfriend who iceskates said that she thought that the character Yuri Plisetsky really reminded her of Yulia Lipnitskaya in that they shared similar features and backgrounds.
Are they connected? What about the other characters?
If you make a search for something that returns more than 10000 items in result. For example, search for only one letter "a" return 161,338 results on MSE. But if you select a page where 10000+ result should be shown:
In the edge case page 3227 shows zero results:
But this is actual...
