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Rebecca Chernoff

12:07 AM

It's really easy to get the basics going. cd into your project directory and do gource. q:

Rebecca Chernoff

12:22 AM

I hate it when I start editing a post, get distracted, then realize I need to submit the edit much later. |:

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff My project is in svn though, have to create a git repository out of it first :P

Whoops, heheh

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone code.google.com/p/gource/wiki/SVN

Tim Stone

Oooooh :o

Rebecca Chernoff

n/m, it just tells you to go to git haha

Tim Stone

Oh, alright, I thought I had missed something. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

12:25 AM

eh looks like there's a couple options

Tim Stone

I'll just throw git on my VM, shouldn't be a big deal.

locks himself out of a server Whoops

Jacob

@TimStone :(

Tim Stone

Fixed now, no biggie :p

Jacob

@TimStone I just ran rm -rf / and I'm quite content..

George Marian

1:22 AM

WTF? Gmail just logged me out, while I was in the middle of writing an email.

Grr...really google? I have to submit the form for you to tell me that the passwords don't match?

Jacob

@GeorgeMarian ouchies

George Marian

1:49 AM

Well,technically I had switched to another window, but still that was quite unexpected.

PHP.net breach: Concern over safety of source code

Moshe

2:57 AM

@ircmaxell @TheOutOfStarsException, here's a PHP question:

0

Q: Proper way to sanitize a password?

How I can sanitize a string that receives a hash+random salt? I can remove the white spaces, check the length and use mysqli_real_escape_string, but it sufficient? The filter_var is really useful but it can't help in this case, right?

ircmaxell

sigh

Moshe

3:34 AM

@ircmaxell What's the sigh?

logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/…

Moshe

3:51 AM

Anyone here?

starts pinging folks

@GeorgeMarian @Jacob @Jacob @GeorgeMarian @TimStone @RebeccaChernoff @mootinator @MylesGray @drachenstern @NickCraver Anyone here?

drachenstern

Ja

Moshe

@drachenstern - Know any astronomy?

Rebecca Chernoff

...

drachenstern

well ...

there's stars in the sky

Jacob

@Moshe you ruined my CSI episode

mootinator

3:53 AM

Hih?

drachenstern

and they go around the galactic core

2

Rebecca Chernoff

@Moshe, is the sky falling?

Moshe

@RebeccaChernoff - nope.

drachenstern

and relative to the earth they tend to look the same day after day

Jacob

@Moshe yeah

Rebecca Chernoff

3:53 AM

@Moshe so...pinging everyone...why?

Moshe

@RebeccaChernoff Twas empty for a while. I'm sorry.

drachenstern

Let's start with "Hi everyone, I'm having a hard time finding the stars outside"

Tim Stone

Oh noes! runs around, arms flailing

drachenstern

@Moshe Usually when you start pinging everyone it means there's an issue

Moshe

@drachenstern - No, I want to know if sunrise is always the same on day X of the year.

Tim Stone

3:54 AM

coughs

Moshe

@drachenstern - True, I'm sorry.

Rebecca Chernoff

@Moshe you waited 5 seconds before deciding to ping everyone.

drachenstern

@Moshe what do you mean? At the same time every day?

@RebeccaChernoff don't bother him with the truth

Moshe

@drachenstern On Jan 1. sunrise GMT will be X oclock.

drachenstern

@Moshe I want to introduce you to a new book.

Moshe

3:55 AM

Is that always true, give or take several seconds each year?

drachenstern

almanac.com

go buy one

tomorrow if possible.

The short answer is "no"

Rebecca Chernoff

this seems like something google could answer, not the sky is falling.

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff shhhhh don't bother him with the truth

Moshe

@drachenstern No, do. I was wrong.

Rebecca Chernoff

...

Moshe

3:56 AM

I'm sorry.

sigh

is an idiot sometimes.

Rebecca Chernoff

goes back to what she was doing. (:

Moshe

@drachenstern - Why is that not so?

drachenstern

@Moshe weatherimages.org/latlonsun.html

because the earth moves around the sun but the sun moves too

have you ever heard anyone talk about the earth is slowing down slightly in space?

one day, sometime in the far far future, the earth will rotate at Mercurial speeds

we also won't have a moon and will likely have slid out of the Goldilocks zone

Moshe

Never heard of those concepts.

drachenstern

What exactly are you trying to figure?

Moshe

3:58 AM

Sunrise and sunset in code.

That looks like it's right on the mark.

That link.

@drachenstern I want to write a small utility library that does sunrise and sunset calculations.

drachenstern

It's so amazing what Google turns up

Moshe

It's so amazing how bad I am at Google-fu.

drachenstern

lol

"how do I calculate when sunrise"

Moshe

@drachenstern I once read that you don't google things in question form. Shows how much I know.

drachenstern

bah

just put shit in and get shit out, put in narrowing down queries and get narrowed down search results out

Moshe

4:02 AM

Eeek, seems I really made I mistake pinging the whole world. I wonder if the SE team is going to get some sort of notification:

Some Idiot Just Earned the "Sky Is Falling" badge. Click here to Suspend Him. [x]

drachenstern

lmao

learn and let it go Moshe

Moshe

I really do apologize. I was kinda shocked at the quiet in here. That's kinda unusual.

Alright. Well thanks then.

Seems I'm off to contact someone and pay them $30 for their research.

But I'd better wait until morning.

drachenstern

I would continue to do research

Moshe

@drachenstern I most likely will, but not at this hour.

drachenstern

and then I would go pay significantly less for an Old Farmers Almanac or even just read one in the bookstore to see what it has to say

And then I would buy an OFA just so I could learn about the history behind it and have one for reference

Moshe

4:06 AM

Are those really accurate?

drachenstern

I have never consulted one and it not been accurate

The sample size there is restricted to one individual and maybe 70-100 checks out of thousands of potential samples

George Marian

@Moshe O.o

drachenstern

My mother and grandfather both thought the world of it

@GeorgeMarian let it go George

he's had his whoopin ;)

Moshe

@drachenstern s'okay

George Marian

Heh.

I was only going to say...And, now back to watching tv.

Speaking of which, bbl. :)

Moshe

4:08 AM

@GeorgeMarian :P

drachenstern

anybody watching Letterman?

Moshe

I'm watching "Moshe and the Tavern".

drachenstern

That's a boring program

Makes you want to move on after about five seconds

Moshe

@drachenstern Yea, well what about "Moshe gets his iStuff back from siblings who should be sleeping by now"?

drachenstern

Explain?

Moshe

4:10 AM

Well, someone is using my iPad now and they should be asleep.

gimme

sigh...

drachenstern

How old are they?

I presume it's a girl

Moshe

I'd rather not say.

drachenstern

but then I don't know what siblings you have

Moshe

Sorry.

drachenstern

which I'm sure is on purpose

ok, age ranges

Moshe

4:11 AM

teen

drachenstern

And since you refuse to say and since you haven't kicked them off yet I'm going to assume a younger sister, which is an admiral protection from an older brother. Ergo, tell her she can goof off with it tomorrow, tonight you're trying to make money and she has school tomorrow, so scat scat and you promise to let her play with the camera tomorrow after school all she can stand. :p

Moshe

It's an iPad 1, but yea. :-D

I have to get to sleep too.

drachenstern

oh, then kick her off and tell her that it's a cheap toy :p

Moshe

@Moshe pings self to demonstrate what pinging is, to explain the starred message in the sidebar.

drachenstern

hey look Michio Kaku is on Letterman

Moshe

4:15 AM

good night.

closes window

drachenstern

So I'm not gonna say any more than this, I just want to say ...

Sunrise equation

The sunrise equation as follows can be used to derive the time of sunrise and sunset for any solar declination and latitude in terms of local solar time when sunrise and sunset actually occur: :\cos \omega_o = -\operatorname{tan}(\phi) \times \operatorname{tan}( \delta) where: :\,\!\omega_o is the hour angle in degrees at either sunrise (when negative value is taken) or sunset (when positive value is taken); :\,\!\phi is the latitude of the observer on the Earth; :\,\!\delta is the sun declination. Theory of the Equation The Earth rotates at the angular speed of 15°/hour and, therefor...

drachenstern

4:39 AM

status-isthisbroken

hmmm

So I'm watching the Roast of Trump again and I'm still trying to figure out "The Situation" ... cos this guy is a loser

drachenstern

5:00 AM

0

Q: Code Snippet Section

Is it possible to let users add some valueable code to a section specified by a tag? So if a user with the aid of other users develop some interesting code to do something, when people look for code snippets they should search this first.

support research

drachenstern

5:12 AM

Night all

YOU

good night!

latimes.com/business/…

Chinese salt hoarders pepper stores with demands for refunds, hilarious!

Reno

ridics!

Tim Stone

5:32 AM

WTF Oracle? Why are all of these bugs not available?

Lance Roberts

6:09 AM

@RebeccaChernoff, thought you'ld like to know, even with the recent highlighting on the rep page, there is a functionality loss. When using the Recent Activity page, I could hit on the Rep Q/A, go to it, then hit the back arrow and click on the next one. If you back arrow to the new rep tab, the highlighting is gone, and it compacts everything, so you no longer have your recent point of reference. So now the only way to not lose the highlighting is to open the links in their own window/tab.

Rebecca Chernoff

If I hit back to go back to the reputation tab, the highlighting is still there.

Lance Roberts

@RebeccaChernoff Let me go downvote something and I'll test again.

@RebeccaChernoff Just retested, highlighting is gone after going back (using IE right now, I'll test on FF tomorrow).

Reno

why did I listen to rebecca blacks song this morning :( Its stuck in my head argghh! damn you reddit

Tim Stone

6:26 AM

@Reno I hope you didn't listen to the whole thing...

Reno

@TimStone No I didn't, but it still looping in my head. I might seriously get a headache if this goes on ...

TIL that its called a brain itch

Tim Stone

@paxdiablo, FYI @RebeccaChernoff claims that this is being worked on

In the meantime, let's consult the Wheel of Blame.

...On second thought, let's not consult the Wheel of Blame, since it apparently lies.

balpha

AHA!

it was @TimStone all along!

3

Tim Stone

runs

Lance Roberts

6:57 AM

@RebeccaChernoff OK, it works ok in FF, but doesn't work in IE8.

I'll retest when I get the time.

Tim Stone

7:16 AM

Hmm, there's definitely something wrong with this Postgres installation... grumbles

Yi Jiang

8:55 AM

Oh, gosh, somebody is cooking something that smells incredibly good near here. My stomach is growling

badp's sockpuppet

9:27 AM

@YiJiang The food of deities!

Yi Jiang

@badpssockpuppet More like stir fried onions with something else in there

But yes, it smells good

badp's sockpuppet

Yes. When Greeks offered sacrifices to deities, the deities fed themselves on the smell, while the humans fed themselves on the meat.

As you can see it's a very smart way to go around it!

badp's sockpuppet

9:56 AM

~

In other news, just released Opera Mobile 11 might just support what it takes to make global login work! \o/

YAY NO MORE PHANTOM TEXT INSERTION \o/

YAY GLOBAL LOGIN \o|

badp's sockpuppet

12:31 PM

LOL

Picasa for Linux includes Wine.

I wonder why...

Yi Jiang

Ahaha :P

Reno

@badpssockpuppet Google used interns to submit those wine patches

badp's sockpuppet

Also Ubuntu refuses to install that deb

@Reno Oh, I didn't suggest they weren't "giving back" or something

and if the alternative is "no Picasa for Linux" then yay

just... Wine isn't reknown for stability

Reno

oh no I didnt mean that :D It was just random trivia

They submitted a code bomb but they got away with it because they're google.

maybe the guys at ask ubuntu can help you ?

badp's sockpuppet

12:52 PM

um

I was under the assumption that giving the answer to a homework question was bad practice... has this changed?

Jose K

Hi mods - anyone able to tell me why this question from Jul 2010 stackoverflow.com/questions/3258721/… got a Tumbleweed 8 hours ago

badp's sockpuppet

I don't think Emon cares that much tbh

Jose K

nope, but is it a bug in the calculation?

i mean - was awarded tumbleweed only 8 hours ago

Reno

For me. It depends, If its a genuine homework (as in a overburdened student) I find it okay to answer those questions. But If its some lazy good-fer-nothing programmer drawing a salary and getting his work done through SO, its not cool.

Yi Jiang

1:08 PM

6

Q: When will SO become irrelevant?

I'm starting to see the parallels between SO and James Blish's 'Cities In Flight' series. In those books the major earth cities all rip themselves from the host planet and set off for a new life in the stars. Is this already happening as tags set off for new lives in the SE galaxy? I've just c...

discussion stackoverflow

Somebody else who reads James Blish! \o/

Myles Gray

2:16 PM

Any news on this:

25

Q: View pending flags

I would like to see a "my pending flags" page/section developed. At the minute we can flag questions etc and suggest what is wrong with them but there is no way of knowing whether the flags we have placed have been accepted/rejected. We therefore cannot tell (without looking at flag weight that...

feature-request flagging

mootinator

2:44 PM

Did I do a double shift yesterday getting one simple thing to work? Yes I did. Ugh.

Lance Roberts

3:30 PM

Does anyone have a screenshot of SO before the big frontpage UI change this last week?

Link is fine.

Lance Roberts

3:42 PM

OK, found one on an old blog post.

I wonder who told them that lack of contrast was a good thing.

ircmaxell

3:53 PM

@LanceRoberts I find your lack of contrast disturbing...

Shog9

4:37 PM

@LanceRoberts what you talkin bout, Lance?

Old design was gray-on-gray and white on red. Now it's gray on white and red on white - that's more contrasty!

The contrastocity level has increased!

Tim Stone

Is it constrastic?

Shog9

The contrastibility of the numbers has improved!

nm

@TimStone IT IS!

Hooray!

4:39 PM

(...although, I still want light-on-dark) Jiiiiiiiiiin!

Yi Jiang

The contrastification is underway!

drachenstern

I personally am NOT a fan of the big green blocks around "oh look this one has answers"

I mean seriously, does 0 look like any other number?

Yi Jiang

Most of my pet peeves about SO's styles are still not fixed though

drachenstern

Either I want to answer a question or I don't. I don't really care if the question has answers already

Shog9

@YiJiang Nooo! They'll be breeding all over the place!

Yi Jiang

4:42 PM

@Shog9 They're like rabbits! Here, do you want some? If not I'll have to send them over to the SPCA

Shog9

@YiJiang Mmmmm.... peeve stew...

(it tastes a bit like chicken)

Yi Jiang

@Shog9 That's barbaric! How could you eat these cute little peeves?

Shog9

@YiJiang I'm only giving them a good home.

Yi Jiang

@Shog9 In your stomach, yeah...

Shog9

It's warm, and they'll have plenty of company...

Lance Roberts

4:46 PM

@Shog9 No, contrast has decreased, it's now a field of white. It's funny how small little things like the gray box that used to be over the votes, made such a difference. There's a reason that a lot of long lists shade every other (or group of other) lines, it's hard to keep focused on a line, when every line looks the same.

drachenstern

@LanceRoberts I'm confused ... what are you on about?

Lance Roberts

@drachenstern The new bland homepage look.

It's really noticeable when it doesn't have many of my interesting tags up, so it's all white.

drachenstern

Yeah, I'm with you so far

but nothing moves left or right, so how is it hard to keep track of which of 3 numbers you're interested in?

Do you need gridlines?

Shog9

@LanceRoberts I have no "interesting" tags defined. The "field of white" is what i was going for... I like interesting titles

there are horizontal dividers

Yi Jiang

Electronics Design just launched, hmmm...

Lance Roberts

5:00 PM

@drachenstern It's not that 'hard' it's just takes more focus. You can't 'relax' on a page, you have to focus to keep things separate. Yes, it's a small thing, but that's what good UI does, it implements good small things to make a pleasing whole.

Tim Stone

I think that Jin is slowly planning to introduce more and more changes towards an end remodel anyway. Just if he did it all at once, one or more people would have a heart attack and die, apparently.

@YiJiang That's so yesterday's news ;) (I also mentally went "Hmm")

Yi Jiang

@TimStone I'm busy, hey

Tim Stone

Oh yeah, did you ever go for coffee? :P

Yi Jiang

The design is good, except for one thing - am I the only one who thinks that the top circuit board below the secondary navigation and above the site logo is ~~kind of~~ entirely useless?

Shog9

@TimStone The down-side of this is that Lance will now suffer 300+ little heart-attacks...

drachenstern

5:02 PM

@LanceRoberts I hear what you are saying. I just disagree. I recognize that you and I are seeing the same thing in two different ways. Unfortunately I think that Jeff and the SO designers are going to see it the way I see it.

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Apparently there was something more going on there before, or something, but then it was too busy. So in light of that, no, you aren't the only one.

Lance Roberts

@Shog9, I suppose that will keep the adrenaline going.

Tim Stone

@Shog9 Gotta keep him on his toes.

Yi Jiang

Pokes @Jin about above

drachenstern

@YiJiang no, I happen to like it.

Yi Jiang

5:05 PM

It seems to take up a lot of space without doing anything. It also feels unbalanced, with the space above it feels like there should be something below too

Lance Roberts

5:27 PM

Thinking about it, it only matters to me on SO, because SO has the interesting tab, which I really like and I stay on it. Every other site I stay on Newest Questions.

Sankar Ganesh

5:38 PM

@drachenstern: and @mootinator: and @GeorgeMarian: Guys, I m Back, where are you Guys

Jin

someone bat signaled me?

Sankar Ganesh

@Jin: Hi, How do u do

George Marian

5:57 PM

> As we've often pointed out, all the folks who have said they've gotten screwed by Mark Zuckerberg over the years have ended up getting rich as a result (Eduardo, the Winklevoss brothers, etc.). So if Mark's looking for someone new to allegedly screw, we hereby volunteer.

lol

Tim Stone

Hahah

Crap, I forgot to eat lunch before the teleconference, whoops.

Sankar Ganesh

haha

George Marian

@TimStone I guess you can't hit mute and hope no one asks you any questions.

Sankar Ganesh

@GeorgeMarian: and @TimStone: i had fixed java problem, today

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian I just went downstairs with the phone and made a sandwich. :D

George Marian

6:11 PM

lol

@SankarGanesh Good deal. You know, you could've just typed that w/o notifying us and we would've seen it. :P

Sankar Ganesh

@GeorgeMarian :), what was ur interview status

George Marian

They decided to go w/ someone that more closely matches their requirements, but they did leave the door open for later. They're planning on doubling the number of developers.

Tim Stone

6:26 PM

@GeorgeMarian Well, that sucks a little, but if they're expanding maybe you'll be a good fit for one of their new openings.

George Marian

@TimStone Yeah, it does a little bit. However, I'm looking at it as an future possibility. I doubt that the recruiter mentioned that just to be nice or anything. They're not reason to do that.

Tim Stone

Yep, definitely

George Marian

I get the feeling I would have needed to have been absolutely stellar in the interview.

Or, to put it another way, I think they brought me in to get to know me and in case I wowed them they would've hired me now instead.

Overall, it was useful a exercise. Now, if I could get over this illness by Thursday. I have a different interview coming up.

ircmaxell

Yay, passed the exam.

Tim Stone

Ah, nice. Same sort of position, or something different?

@ircmaxell \o/

George Marian

6:31 PM

@ircmaxell ZCE?

ircmaxell

Yup

George Marian

@TimStone This is something different. Web operations coordinator. I'm assuming a sort of PM/liaison type of role.

@ircmaxell Congrats! How was it?

ircmaxell

@GeorgeMarian Well, I'd say the test fell into 3 parts

George Marian

The good, the bad and the ugly? ;)

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian Interesting, the management-type role was something more like you had wanted anyway right?

ircmaxell

6:35 PM

60% decent questions about the core, including proper HTTP/SQL knowledge.
25% irrelevant questions that really prove nothing about your knowledge.
15% **really** poorly worded questions that are basically unanswerable.

I wrote a page of comments for 4 of the questions saying how bad the question was (when I say a page, I'm talking 4 to 5 paragraphs)

George Marian

@TimStone Heck if I know what I want at this point. ;) Yeah, I have been wanting management type experience. I've been thinking that with my mix of skills managing technical projects/people would be a good role for me.

Tim Stone

@ircmaxell Heh, I did that too when I took it back...whenever that was.

ircmaxell

hehehe

George Marian

@ircmaxell tsk, tsk, tsk. From what I hear, that is an improvement.

Tim Stone

(although I failed, so kudos to you :P)

ircmaxell

6:39 PM

@GeorgeMarian Well, it very well may be, but that doesn't mean it's good. I really liked the MySQL Administrator tests. A few syntax questions, but mostly good content

Tim Stone

Asking me questions about the engine which relied on knowledge of the underlying C code and were absolutely nothing like the questions in the practice tests was pretty uncool, but yeah. >_>

George Marian

@ircmaxell Yeah, that comment was originally gonna be a gripe about the increased cost, but I toned it down. I totally agree with you. There's no excuse for crappy certification tests.

ircmaxell

@TimStone There were no questions like that, so...

George Marian

@TimStone Yeah, that's effed up and one of the improvement they made.

Tim Stone

@ircmaxell Well, that's good :D

ircmaxell

6:41 PM

@GeorgeMarian The bulk of the test I thought was good. There's just no reason that we need to memorize parameter order or the names of obscure functions

Tim Stone

"Does the array parameter come first or second? To the Wheel of Parameters!"

George Marian

@ircmaxell Especially since the fine folks didn't keep the parameter order and function naming consistent, at least in the past.

ircmaxell

Right

George Marian

Where there questions about obscure functions?

ircmaxell

@TimStone Well, I only had one question about that. But it was a weird one

@GeorgeMarian I'd say there were 2 or 3 questions which involve functions I've never used up to this point in my career...

George Marian

6:43 PM

Do you remember what functions?

ircmaxell

I'm not going to say (and yes I do)

George Marian

Damn, how strict is the NDA?

ircmaxell

The first thing I did when I got back to the office was look them up to see if I got it wrong or not... :-D

@GeorgeMarian Quite. which is why I've been vague about the questions/answers.

Tim Stone

@ircmaxell Oh, they don't give you a printout anymore? :o

ircmaxell

Nope. Just the Pass/Fail sheet, and that's it

Tim Stone

6:46 PM

Ah, interesting.

ircmaxell

Which I think is good, don't get me wrong. But I'd love to see a breakdown on what I did well in and what I did not...

George Marian

You can't even speak about what they asked about? It's not like you'd be providing the content of the question. Oh well. (BTW, I'm not trying to convince you talk about it. If you're not comfortable doing it, that's fine.)

ircmaxell

Not the details.

George Marian

The pass/fail lets them make whatever changes they want to the scoring without any being the wiser.

mootinator

@SankarGanesh HOLA

ircmaxell

6:48 PM

Well, I'm sure the questions are weighted

since some were quite easy, and others were rediculously hard...

George Marian

@ircmaxell That is a matter of interpretation, IMO. :D (I.e. I'm just curious what the functions where, so I can gauge the situation.)

ircmaxell

fair enough. I'll put it this way, go through the function list and look for functions you've never used (but might possibly use in the future, since they are not true duplicates) and read them...

:-D

George Marian

@ircmaxell Yeah, they are. The number of questions varies and questions asked depend on your prior answers.

ircmaxell

right

George Marian

@ircmaxell Yah, that sure narrows it down. :P

ircmaxell

6:51 PM

:-P

George Marian

I'm not too worried about it. I do think I could sit the exam now and pass. It's just that $200 is a lot of money for me currently. So, the more prepared I am, the better.

fair enough

sigh

@Moshe Do tell.

I will say this. Study the language reference inside and out...

Moshe

6:54 PM

@GeorgeMarian Ah, just discussing the theft with the office admin.

I guess now we wait for insurance.

ircmaxell

know the syntax and type conversions by heart

George Marian

@ircmaxell Language reference? What do you mean?

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian Which language?

George Marian

@ircmaxell Hmm...it wasn't supposed to so much of a syntax test, more of a content/information test. =/

@Moshe PHP

ircmaxell

@GeorgeMarian us3.php.net/manual/en/langref.php

Moshe

6:55 PM

@GeorgeMarian Ah, good luck!

ircmaxell

@GeorgeMarian Well, it was at least 10% of the test here...

George Marian

@Moshe I assume that'll take a while.

Moshe

@GeorgeMarian I hope not. Well, either that, or they decide to replace the machine, but do so when 10.7 comes out.

George Marian

hehe

Moshe

Ok, work to do in the meantime.

George Marian

6:56 PM

@ircmaxell That's like most of the manual. ;)

Moshe

I've got some Java to translate to Obj-C. Anyone know either language?

ircmaxell

Well, the most important part at least

@Moshe I know C. Both languages can be written in C, so does that count? :-P

Moshe

@ircmaxell Well, kinda, but Objective-C has different syntax.

Okay, see ya!

ircmaxell

@Moshe I think you missed my point...

George Marian

@ircmaxell Wouldn't be the first time... instantrimshot.com

ircmaxell

7:03 PM

is afraid to click that link

George Marian

Heh. I, too, have my concerns.

But, you get the idea. :)

ircmaxell

yeah

Wow, this is one hell of a test:

CISSP - Certified Information System Security Professional
Requires: 1 Exam (250 questions, 6 hours)
Approximate Cost = $450

George Marian

Dayum.

That's certainly not one you sit on a whim. Who administers it?

ircmaxell

(ISC)2 is the vendor, not sure about the proctor

Moshe

7:41 PM

Just got an answer from Jon Skeet. Cool!

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A: What is the Objective-C equivalent of the Java TimeZone?

NSTimeZone, I believe. Can't say I've ever done any Objective-C myself, but it looks right... Apple also has a (pretty short) article on using it.

badp's sockpuppet

Sigh

imgur's at it again

many images in meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/81173/… are down

George Marian

d'oh

mootinator

9:02 PM

I hate it when computers are smarter than me.

ircmaxell

and considering no computer is actually smart, that's saying something

mootinator

nod

ircmaxell

:-D

so, what happened?

Moshe

9:35 PM

Just blew all my votes on this:

stackoverflow.com/questions/2349378/…

drachenstern

sometimes 15 year old me looks out of the eyes of 31 year old me and wonders ... when the hell did he learn what all that crap meant? I'm pretty sure it's Greek and he's just faking it.