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user315433
12:13 AM
Network Engineering is down to 2 mods after Craig Constantine resigned. A former pro tem mod, he was elected in 2015 (an experimental beta election) when 63 users voted. He had 9 first-place votes.
 
12:47 AM
Morning
@Quill I don't know if I'm more impressed or scornful
 
How's the flu?
We are now moving http://cdn.sstatic.net (all static content for Stack Overflow) to Fastly. Please let us know if you see any issues.
 
I'm not even sure they are using fastly... the domain is prefixed with cf-dns0{1,2}. that smells to cloudflare
 
@hichris123 I'M ALIVE!!!!!!
But the flu has gone
 
We are now moving http://cdn.sstatic.net (all static content for Stack Overflow) to Fastly. Please let us know if you see any issues.
 
Thanks bot...
 
1:00 AM
just now stackstatus retwitted
 
@Braiam Where are you seeing that?
 
@hichris123 dig +trace +additional cdn.sstatic.net
 
@Braiam Hmm, yeah, must be the TTL.
 
http://serverfault.com is now on Fastly; that's all for tonight. HTTPS performance is looking good. More tomorrow. https://t.co/FpfD7BJYii
 
1:58 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: How does human intelligence differ from Searle's chinese room? by Dr. Dave brainmindspirit.com on philosophy.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: How can I know of strikes that affect public transport in France? by moharris1 on travel.stackexchange.com
 
2:25 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: How do I grab video from webofstories.com? by henryjackylucky on askubuntu.com (@kos)
 
user315433
2:51 AM
-4
Q: I'm 14 and chubby😊😊😊😊

Jordon HenleyI'm 14 and chubby. summer just started and I want a decent amount of weight loss before the end of summer. if I could just have some tips on how to lose weight pretty fast thank you!

 
user315433
My close reason: Too Broad.
 
meh, I went with spam flag
 
user202362
int width = size.x;
width--;
 
user202362
if not satisfactory, put width-- in loop
 
Dammit, someone beat me to it: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/308792/2357233
 
3:24 AM
The gruffness of some folks on SO I just don't understand. Yes, they might have posted a poor question - but there is a person on the other side of that screen.
(and furthermore, how does one expect a more snarky comment to reform a user? If anything it'll just make them more bitter about SO and put in less effort)
 
if you let a stranger on internet make you feel discouraged, you shouldn't be on internet
 
Well, when you ask a question on SO and your first reply is in effect an attack on you and your character... that doesn't exactly make you want to come back.
 
user315433
Nov 22 '15 at 20:31, by Shog9
the folks who you'd wish were terrified to ask are so unafraid that they'll cheerfully flood the site with questions in the face of abuse. The folks who (with a tiny bit of assistance maybe) could ask interesting/useful questions are often so petrified of being criticized that they never even try.
 
@sandwich nah, I don't believe that
The one that really are up to improvement will just ignore non-constructive feedback
 
3:37 AM
@sandwich Yeah, I agree with that.
 
It also doesn't help that SO has gotten the reputation of being mean.
 
3:57 AM
being mean/requiring standards either or
 
so, requiring people to help themselves before making others spend their energies helping them is being "mean"?
 
it's a gray line; mean is opinion, opinion is gray
 
@JamesENL No, you can be nice and have standards. It's the difference between having someone politely say you're in the wrong place and someone screaming it at you. They're both telling you the same thing, but the way they're doing it is very different.
 
@hichris123 I agree in principle
 
4:22 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Muscle Development Vs Energy Building by patricktravis on askubuntu.com (@kos)
 
@hichris123 that's not what we are talking about. Many people take any critique personal, very personal. You should have read the latest two on MSO.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: http://gomusclebuilding.com/garcinia-melt-reviews/ by Ronyozz on security.stackexchange.com
 
@Braiam They should have thicker skin when they started using the internet.
 
@bacon that's the thing. If you sugar coat it too much the message doesn't come across. When you put it bluntly you are being rude. There's no winning move.
btw, I was reading a book with someone called Mr. Bacon... the breakfasts scenes were funny
 
4:37 AM
Thanks, appreciated.
 
puts frying pan on the oven
 
@bacon you don't start on the internet with thick skin
most of the people who start on Stack Overflow, on the other hand, should probably have thick skin
 
I didn't, but after seeing how open & free the social network is, I started to. SE is not a social network, but...
 
5:02 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body: Muscle Building Methods For Workout Routines by stevenhsmith on workplace.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: This short article will probably prove useful by Jimjterry on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: How 5 Things Will Change The Way You Approach Zymax Male Enhancement by Quie1963 on arduino.stackexchange.com
 
5:32 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: You Have To Burn Fat Gain Muscle For The Warm Months by dersnikler on workplace.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Who Else Wants Conscious What To Eat To Build Muscle? by jacerdresn on security.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: http://menhealthreviews.org/alpha-fuel-testo/ by Sania Jil on arduino.stackexchange.com
 
5:49 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body: Profit Conserving Heading Methods for Elderly people by Maahi Singh on webapps.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: DSN Pre Workout # advancedtrimsite.com/dsn-pre-workout-reviews by alishmesite on security.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Do not jerk and see that the movement is smooth by Whiparinkes on webmasters.stackexchange.com
 
6:06 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Zymax Male Enhancement Sometimes Make You Feel Stupid? by clat1942 on arduino.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: too. Bend the right leg and bring the right knee by kirschbaummalik on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
7:08 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body, blacklisted user: Household furniture Mover Job Story by Maahi Singh on webapps.stackexchange.com
 
7:21 AM
Is official: I know no English — Braiam 17 hours ago
 
 
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8:24 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Why `night` with gh? by user178092 on english.stackexchange.com
 
9:22 AM
Oh, I've known that for years @Braiam :p You should set me to be your official certification authority. — bjb568 9 mins ago
 
user315433
10:29 AM
Mod newsletter modnewsletter.stackexchange.com is borked over https: both stylesheets and scripts get blocked.
 
10:54 AM
man @samsaffron sure has a *huge* love for HTTP/2. I guess living in Australia will do that to you! 🐨
 
11:08 AM
or edit-pls if anyone can understand it meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/324285/…
 
11:19 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: http://health-wellnessworld.com/Zymax-Male-Enhancement-Review/ by thentionedy18 on gaming.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Performing compound exercises stimulate multiple by SiteGinf on gaming.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Anabolic Again Review - Does Compound Cluster Cycling Work? by jariklstern on workplace.stackexchange.com
 
@TylerH when quality is not the goal, why the heck are you investing your time into? You will not make a dent, overload yourself and overwork others for the benefit of nobody. "A strong asymmetry of effort in asking and answering is unsustainable and should be discouraged." — Braiam 2 days ago
I should totes quote this in some DevDoodle marketing thing.
 
 
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1:21 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Ultra Caralluma weight on this diet. Fruits, vegetables, by Ultra Caralluma on askubuntu.com (@kos)
 
1:37 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Packers and Movers by Gerry Wilson on mathoverflow.net
 
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Aw shutup smokey
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2:04 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in body, email in body: GIS Data Analyst by Neha on gis.stackexchange.com
 
user202362
Would totally try to stay here if I ever go to L.A. - it's so famous >_<
 
user202362
2:21 PM
ever visit L.A. again that is ...
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: Is it practical to pre-blacklist certain GeoIP regions? by Lara Morton on security.stackexchange.com
 
3:03 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps answer, few unique characters in answer: Why does scar tissue change color? by Samantha on biology.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer, blacklisted user: Naive implementation of Rainbow Table and/or Hellman's trade-off by Lara Morton on security.stackexchange.com
 
3:46 PM
@Telkitty Eh, super 8 is good.
Night!
 
@bjb568 Night!
 
 
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6:11 PM
@SmokeDetector why
@SmokeDetector del
 
 
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8:13 PM
Stack Exchange Data Explorer will blip for a moment while we upgrade it from SQL 2016 RC3 to RTM.
 
blips!
 
8:38 PM
Is this the "everything is wrong, how do we fix it?" week for mSO?
 
2
Q: Deep Web will be closing — exploring a future for this subject

Robert CartainoSometimes a technology buzzword can be a somewhat uncertain premise on which to build a site. Pop culture sees it as one thing; the actual participants use it for something else... and a fledgling community tries valiantly to tie it all together into something on which to build a site. It was a...

 
8:59 PM
ok, I feel like I'm experiencing malicious levels of incompetence here, can I get an objective opinion? stackoverflow.com/questions/37601644/…
Wow, someone cleaned it up. incredible.
 
Cleaned what up exactly?
The question is a bit long winded but it seems decent to me.
@SmokeDetector del gone
 
-9, 3 close votes, you should have seen the comments, 1 guy with 8k rep and others with less than 1k talking like a self-answer is somehow bad.
If Jon Sharpe wasn't there keeping them straight, it would have been even worse.
@MattDMo you are what is wrong with this community. I'm not marking it as duplicate on purpose because the answer itself is fine. I was asking a serious question about whether or not questions that already exist on SO, blogs, tutorials, etc. should be allowed to be self-answered. There is literally no reason to get as flustered as you are. — ZWiki 2 mins ago
Are users able to reverse their votes to close? Because I've gone from 4 votes to close to 2.
 
Yeah, you can retract your vote to close.
 
How do I not know that? Is it a new feature?
 
It's been like that for years. :P
(I rarely use it though)
 
9:11 PM
Maybe I'm thinking of wanting to be able to vote to keep open or conflating it somehow.
I guess I never really want to reverse a close-vote.
 
Apparently it was implemented in July 2013. meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/915/10
@AaronHall I feel like it's this effect:
It does seem inevitable that a question that provided entertainment to 20 thousand viewers in 2 days as well as inspiration to answerers must be closed. Of course we are not allowed to have fun, everybody is supposed to plow through the usual dreck. — Hans Passant May 23 at 10:28
 
I've been sitting on a draft of that Q&A for a couple of days.
Here's like my one response, which was incredibly restrained, if you can imagine:
@DonkeyKong A common criticism of questions is that they demonstrate no knowledge or research, or that the asker did not do his homework, or show his work. I'm attempting to demonstrate all of the above. I'm sorry I couldn't quite meet your standards for a good question. Cheers! — Aaron Hall 23 mins ago
Anyways, I posted that comment here so I could delete it there, apologies for the screen space...
I'm always a nervous wreck when I post something like this. Today's post didn't help.
This is why I don't like to ask questions.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Is using compression clothing during a work out a good or bad idea? by Ihtisham Butt Ihtisham on fitness.stackexchange.com
 
18 hours ago, by sandwich
Nov 22 '15 at 20:31, by Shog9
the folks who you'd wish were terrified to ask are so unafraid that they'll cheerfully flood the site with questions in the face of abuse. The folks who (with a tiny bit of assistance maybe) could ask interesting/useful questions are often so petrified of being criticized that they never even try.
Replace "petrified of being criticized" with "tired of being badgered" and that's probably more accurate.
 
well the negativity on the question finally match the upvotes. so it's at 0 net votes now.
I'm sure I saw it hit -8 net.
 
9:27 PM
@AlexeiLevenkov I think we disagree on a couple of counts: 1) It's simply not realistic to expect most users to find dupes consistently, especially on meta where the search engine struggles more with common words. And 2) The way to deal with things that have close reasons is to close them. Picking a different negative signal to send that's NOT associated with the real reason isn't helpful, because it makes it harder to learn what to do differently. (That's not to say you've got to go dupe hunting if you're busy - it's fine to move on, or leave a comment suggesting you think it's a dupe.) — Jaydles ♦ 4 hours ago
In other news... how does "the search engine struggle more with common words" on meta?
(and I'm positive the downvote tooltip has something in there about "no research effort")
 
Yeah. I'm sure if I mentioned the tool-tip, they would have said, "You should have answered the question in the question."
I said "malicious levels of incompetence" and I meant it.
There was so much wrong in those comments.
How do you get 8k rep and be so clueless?
 
you think 8k is bad? we've seen users with tens of thousands of rep and no clue
writing answers & getting upvotes doesn't mean you know how the system works
 
10:17 PM
I didn't realize I had an open tab with the comments. Here's a glimpse at the insanity ^^^^.
 
I get the feeling many users A) don't understand the concept of self-answering and B) don't realise your question isn't "how do use enum?"
 
That's why I repeat the question I'm answering word-for-word at the top of my answers, especially when I'm trying to make a canonical post.
 
also what is he doing getting in a flamewar at 4am in the morning....
I thought I was the only one who does that /s
 
Voters are lazy thinkers sometimes, so you gotta spell it out for them.
I usually do level 1 heading when I repeat the question, but this time I did level 2... maybe that was the problem... :D
Part of the reason I usually repeat the question is my answer starts out buried amongst bad answers that have pushed the reader's mind off onto tangents.
Maybe my style is too dry.
 
meh, it's just explicit
 
10:26 PM
at first I thought user, self, was accusing me of plagiarism. Which he was, he just thought I was Jon.
I thought, "man, I only borrowed the one example, it's like 5 lines of code."
and I cited the docs
and yet he said, "You copied and pasted it, without citing your sources, therefore plagiarism or copyright infringement." I was truly stumped until Jon responded.
 
maybe try clarifying your intentions in the title a little more
 
Here's the last of the insanity, in a different open tab...
It felt horrible. :P
 
everyone's entitled to their downvotes, however don't be disgruntled by a user that doesn't understand self-answers
canonical posts usually attract lots of upvotes anyway ;)
 
Seriously, this is why I don't bother posting questions without answers - I post good questions with no answers, all the haters answerers who can't just make an unresearched answer that's worthy of any upvotes just downvote, and nobody cares to upvote, and no-one will take the effort required to post a good answer. At least with a self Q&A people have a reason to want to upvote the question.
 
> On n'est jamais servi si bien que par soi-même
 
10:37 PM
"One is never served so well as by oneself."
Charles-Guillaume Étienne (5 January 1778 – 13 March 1845) was a French dramatist and miscellaneous writer. He was born in Chamouilley, Haute Marne. He held various municipal offices under the Revolution and came in 1793 to Paris, where he produced his first opera, Le Rêve, in 1799, in collaboration with Antoine-Frédéric Gresnick. Although Étienne continued to write for the Paris theatres for twenty years from that date, he is remembered chiefly as the author of one comedy, which excited considerable controversy. Les Deux Gendres was represented at the Théâtre Français on 11 August 1810, and procured...
 
if you want a job done right, do it yourself call Jon Skeet
 
In C# maybe.
> Probably because he posted this question, then proceeds to produce a fully cited and complete answer a minute later. Producing a self answer is fine, but doing it to gain rep doesn't seem to be within the spirit of the "self answer" rules. – Kush131 1 hour ago
 
wut
 
Yeah, that happened.
Someone else came along and downvoted it to -1, so +7, -8.
 
@AaronHall This argument is as old as the site. Self-answering has always been explicitly encouraged, but that doesn't mean people like/understand it. Feel free to ignore that nonsense.
 
10:42 PM
Makes me think I'll never get the question badges.
 
there's always another chance to ask questions :)
 
What constitutes a "Positive question record?"
 
If I'm remembering right: sum of positive and negative questions / amount of questions asked
 
138
Q: Asking days badges

Jon EricsonA couple of months ago, I suggested a set of badges for asking questions. The responses were... mixed. The top answer can be summarized: In practice, all this would do is encourage people to ask yet more stupid, worthless questions and we have quite enough of that as it is. We believe that ...

 
> (total questions - negative questions - closed - deleted)/total questions >= 0.5
 
10:49 PM
@AaronHall Since you have the curious badge, you should be set to get the silver and gold if you keep asking. By design, it will take concerted effort over many days, however.
It's possible to drop under the "positive record" threshold, but you'd need to ask questions that get closed and/or deleted to do so.
 
11:01 PM
ewww.... Angular unit tests are nearly as bad as Angular itself
 
user315433
I recall that the "system message" banner of a condemned site is usually changed to say the site is closing.
 
user315433
> meta.deepweb is the place to talk about things like what questions are appropriate, what tags we should use, etc.
 
The title of the first intervention should've been "YOU NEED TO GO DEEPER"
 
I get that the answer is fine and all, but I really don't think should be a question here. There is already a lot of information on the topic of enum in the form of blogs, other SO questions, python docs, tutorials, etc. Really no need for this — ZWiki 3 hours ago
 
11:18 PM
@AaronHall What... I didn't get to see those.
Some people...
 
11:45 PM
hmm, there's more padding between sidebar items on Academia than on other sites...
 
http://SuperUser.com and http://AskUbuntu.com are now on Fastly. We will be moving the localized SO sites soon (pt/br/es/ru/ja/jp)
 
@SNAFU I didn't know Nick Craver got a new username and avatar
 

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