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The gruffness of some folks on SO I just don't understand. Yes, they might have posted a poor question - but there is a person on the other side of that screen.
(and furthermore, how does one expect a more snarky comment to reform a user? If anything it'll just make them more bitter about SO and put in less effort)
Well, when you ask a question on SO and your first reply is in effect an attack on you and your character... that doesn't exactly make you want to come back.
the folks who you'd wish were terrified to ask are so unafraid that they'll cheerfully flood the site with questions in the face of abuse. The folks who (with a tiny bit of assistance maybe) could ask interesting/useful questions are often so petrified of being criticized that they never even try.
@JamesENL No, you can be nice and have standards. It's the difference between having someone politely say you're in the wrong place and someone screaming it at you. They're both telling you the same thing, but the way they're doing it is very different.
@bacon that's the thing. If you sugar coat it too much the message doesn't come across. When you put it bluntly you are being rude. There's no winning move.
btw, I was reading a book with someone called Mr. Bacon... the breakfasts scenes were funny
@TylerH when quality is not the goal, why the heck are you investing your time into? You will not make a dent, overload yourself and overwork others for the benefit of nobody. "A strong asymmetry of effort in asking and answering is unsustainable and should be discouraged." — Braiam2 days ago
I should totes quote this in some DevDoodle marketing thing.
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Sometimes a technology buzzword can be a somewhat uncertain premise on which to build a site. Pop culture sees it as one thing; the actual participants use it for something else... and a fledgling community tries valiantly to tie it all together into something on which to build a site.
It was a...
-9, 3 close votes, you should have seen the comments, 1 guy with 8k rep and others with less than 1k talking like a self-answer is somehow bad.
If Jon Sharpe wasn't there keeping them straight, it would have been even worse.
@MattDMo you are what is wrong with this community. I'm not marking it as duplicate on purpose because the answer itself is fine. I was asking a serious question about whether or not questions that already exist on SO, blogs, tutorials, etc. should be allowed to be self-answered. There is literally no reason to get as flustered as you are. — ZWiki2 mins ago
Are users able to reverse their votes to close? Because I've gone from 4 votes to close to 2.
It does seem inevitable that a question that provided entertainment to 20 thousand viewers in 2 days as well as inspiration to answerers must be closed. Of course we are not allowed to have fun, everybody is supposed to plow through the usual dreck. — Hans PassantMay 23 at 10:28
I've been sitting on a draft of that Q&A for a couple of days.
Here's like my one response, which was incredibly restrained, if you can imagine:
@DonkeyKong A common criticism of questions is that they demonstrate no knowledge or research, or that the asker did not do his homework, or show his work. I'm attempting to demonstrate all of the above. I'm sorry I couldn't quite meet your standards for a good question. Cheers! — Aaron Hall23 mins ago
Anyways, I posted that comment here so I could delete it there, apologies for the screen space...
I'm always a nervous wreck when I post something like this. Today's post didn't help.
the folks who you'd wish were terrified to ask are so unafraid that they'll cheerfully flood the site with questions in the face of abuse. The folks who (with a tiny bit of assistance maybe) could ask interesting/useful questions are often so petrified of being criticized that they never even try.
Replace "petrified of being criticized" with "tired of being badgered" and that's probably more accurate.
@AlexeiLevenkov I think we disagree on a couple of counts: 1) It's simply not realistic to expect most users to find dupes consistently, especially on meta where the search engine struggles more with common words. And 2) The way to deal with things that have close reasons is to close them. Picking a different negative signal to send that's NOT associated with the real reason isn't helpful, because it makes it harder to learn what to do differently. (That's not to say you've got to go dupe hunting if you're busy - it's fine to move on, or leave a comment suggesting you think it's a dupe.) — Jaydles ♦4 hours ago
In other news... how does "the search engine struggle more with common words" on meta?
(and I'm positive the downvote tooltip has something in there about "no research effort")
Voters are lazy thinkers sometimes, so you gotta spell it out for them.
I usually do level 1 heading when I repeat the question, but this time I did level 2... maybe that was the problem... :D
Part of the reason I usually repeat the question is my answer starts out buried amongst bad answers that have pushed the reader's mind off onto tangents.
at first I thought user, self, was accusing me of plagiarism. Which he was, he just thought I was Jon.
I thought, "man, I only borrowed the one example, it's like 5 lines of code."
and I cited the docs
and yet he said, "You copied and pasted it, without citing your sources, therefore plagiarism or copyright infringement." I was truly stumped until Jon responded.
Seriously, this is why I don't bother posting questions without answers - I post good questions with no answers, all the hatersanswerers who can't just make an unresearched answer that's worthy of any upvotes just downvote, and nobody cares to upvote, and no-one will take the effort required to post a good answer. At least with a self Q&A people have a reason to want to upvote the question.
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> Probably because he posted this question, then proceeds to produce a fully cited and complete answer a minute later. Producing a self answer is fine, but doing it to gain rep doesn't seem to be within the spirit of the "self answer" rules. – Kush131 1 hour ago
@AaronHall This argument is as old as the site. Self-answering has always been explicitly encouraged, but that doesn't mean people like/understand it. Feel free to ignore that nonsense.
A couple of months ago, I suggested a set of badges for asking questions. The responses were... mixed. The top answer can be summarized:
In practice, all this would do is encourage people to ask yet more stupid, worthless questions and we have quite enough of that as it is.
We believe that ...
@AaronHall Since you have the curious badge, you should be set to get the silver and gold if you keep asking. By design, it will take concerted effort over many days, however.
It's possible to drop under the "positive record" threshold, but you'd need to ask questions that get closed and/or deleted to do so.
I get that the answer is fine and all, but I really don't think should be a question here. There is already a lot of information on the topic of enum in the form of blogs, other SO questions, python docs, tutorials, etc. Really no need for this — ZWiki3 hours ago