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12:44 AM
Confirmed as spam on the final link (promoting an uninstaller application). The author of this post is clearly trying to cloak it in seemingly high-quality content. — bwDraco 2 mins ago
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Adware plague in the apartment by winrootmac on superuser.com
I am lenient, if a user spend 10 minutes in an quality answer with minor spam that only 20 people read and the user doesn't reuse the content anywhere else, I will just leave the answer be. If you like, just edit out the spam part or downvote it and watch out whether there is any re-use of any similar content.
First link is spam (blog post promotes uninstaller utilities) in a highly concerted effort to deceive reviewers. See also superuser.com/questions/1070617/adware-plague-in-the-apartment/…bwDraco 48 secs ago
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Preventing Anti virus conflicts by winrootmac on superuser.com
12:50 AM
@bwDraco Huh that is pretty sneaky. I'm surprised the content isn't plagiarized.
@KurtTexter @morgan_e_ @coaxmetal @haley ok a baked potato with bacon inside, is that a sandwich?
The debate has escalated.
No, it is a Latvian dream.
Why are most nail polish redish? Is it a hint/indication that you have just committed hedious crimes (like fight things with your claws and drew blood)?
1:03 AM
@KurtTexter @morgan_e_ @coaxmetal @jc4p soup w bread bowl is still soup
Morning with 'dogwich'
@hichris123 … but with bread!
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Should I use IRA money to pay down my student loans? by Jennifer Raff on money.stackexchange.com
@shog Would the question with net downvotes associated with the april-fools tag not automatically disassociated from the account after 1st April? Would it be upon request?
I don't think post disassociation will be done without user's consent...
1 hour later…
2:28 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Maximum transaction amount on debit card (USA) by Jane Saka on money.stackexchange.com
3:15 AM
3:33 AM
TIL about "purse typing"
How do I mute tweets with the word "sandwich" in them asking for a friend
@AndrewT. I'm 99% sure this guy just made it up, but now I want to use it
Also, I want a gif of someone hammering a purse into a keyboard
Coming Soon: Why my question was downvoted? Tim purse-typed.
4:25 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body: http://kaintek.com/luxia-no-7/ by PaoliniWilliam on gaming.stackexchange.com
4:49 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: http://fatburnxonline.com/megadrox/ by ThomParr on gaming.stackexchange.com
5:02 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: Rejuva Lift Eye Serum: The Best Ever Eye Serum? by mathildetuttle on movies.stackexchange.com
5:20 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title: http://kaintek.com/luxia-no-7/ by DeweyHarris on workplace.stackexchange.com
5:36 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: Skin Care Tips For Your Monsoons by mapoc on electronics.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: The fixing spray is ideal before putting by Biytry Jil on arduino.stackexchange.com
6:15 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: software to tell what you have downloaded recently by Wanlam on softwarerecs.stackexchange.com
@AndrewT. Post 1: That does not look like a valid post URL.
@AndrewT. Post 1: That does not look like a valid post URL.
6:25 AM
@AndrewT. I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.
7:05 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: Which are acknowledged to [Genius X] by user41603 on money.stackexchange.com
Was searching for some references to give to an user on another site, and I saw this post:
A: What to do with unexplained downvotes?

EtherThe easiest answer is simply, "Suck it up, princess." EDIT: that is: some people are not going to like your answer, or will want more perfection in it than you are willing to devote the time for (e.g. recently I saw some downvotes go to an answer that had clear, concise and correct code, but did...

Should we really leave the rude part there just because the user was thinking "Direct != rude"?
Notice: not going to downvote because rude - that is not a valid approach. I am specifically asking if it is "rude enough" to deserve flag/editing.
7:29 AM
Q: What is a top 1% user in a tag?

balphaJust like the classic Careers CV, the Developer Story can show "Top X%" percentiles that show where a user is in respect other Stack Overflow users in a particular tag:          The old CV calculated those numbers with respect to all Careers users. In other words, "Top 20% for jQuery" means amo...

^ Jon Skeet won't care
@Derpy I won't be offended because of that, but other may. If it bothers you, remove/rewrite it.
On weather related issue, it's raining everyday...
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Natural waxes and vegetable fats by DARLENEVERONICA854 on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body: She has worked in all encompassing by kambhakhat56 on mathoverflow.net
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Genius X Gamers and people that imagined by jakab on money.stackexchange.com
7:59 AM
@SmokeDetector k
@SmokeDetector k
this takes close votes: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/122900/… is a rewrite to make it a Q and A warranted?
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Platinum Beaute - Is keep to help Restoring your Natural Skin? by Vand Tvyrff on superuser.com
@AndrewT. if it is offensive, the only route I have (other than risking an edit war) is to flag it. And if we are in the "subjectively offensive" zone... not going to do it -_-' . Anyway, thanks, you have somehow confirmed that it was just me begin too rigid.
8:14 AM
@Derpy I'd also argue that the post is from 2009. If wars haven't broken out over it by now ... meh.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad character in title, Chinese character in title, mostly non-Latin body, mostly non-Latin title: 成。绩。单 Q/Vxin:⑥②⑦②①②②⑥④ 毕。业。。证 by xiguai058 on apple.stackexchange.com
@rene I don't see how to put that into a Q&A without it being forced
@Bart which only seem to reinforce the idea that maybe it is just me begin to rigid...
@Bart so closing is the way forward then?
I'd say so. Not asking for input.
8:22 AM
@Derpy I had similar time when I became so overly conscious about SE quality/policy. Just take a quick break...
[ SmokeDetector ] Chinese character in title, mostly non-Latin body, mostly non-Latin title, blacklisted user: ◆信627212264◆◆回 国◆ ◆学 历◆ ◆认 证◆ ◆全 套◆ by xiguai058 on apple.stackexchange.com
8:41 AM
@AndrewT. Sorry, still part of my policy of life in a way.
in Sugarcube Corner, Feb 15 at 13:41, by Derpy
> Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
In the same way, I don't think I have to use bad words to show that I am very grown up...
But I am perfectly fine in just following the community standards, that was why I asked ^_^
8:53 AM
Why not make it equal to the rep of the Skeet? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/278859/…
Because it will burden him, everyone will ask him to clean up the comment :p
Possibly-useful-but-too-abusable website: the-difference-between.com
9:40 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in answer: How to increase the average Itemlevel by trinhcuong on gaming.stackexchange.com
10:15 AM
so ... I have a snippet like this one:
if (1+1 == 2)
// some code
notice the condition: it is the real one I am using, just to understand if I have found a bug in VS.
Execute the code. It works.
Put a break point on the IF, then drag the execution point on the first line of the inner code.
it breaks with a null reference exception and a STRING.EMPTY stacktrace.
Yep. You read it right... Empty Stacktrace.
Anyone knows a good Voodoo priest?
Should I call baba?
@Derpy Wait for some Arqade spam.
@Derpy checking ...
@Derpy this is c#, right? Because in JavaScript that is never true ...
@rene I am trying to find out a pattern. It is specific to the inner code the method is using, but nothing in that code should be ever able to raise a Null Ref. Exception
I can't repro ...
In VS2013
@rene Yes, C#. I should add that the code IS using some lambda query, so I though of some closure related problem, but I don't see any... so for now I am blamming VS
and since this solution (same one from yesterday @DroidDev) is using VS 2008...
this seems very probable.
10:24 AM
Why on earth are you using VS2008?
@rene because this solution is hell on earth.
No fancy ReSharper stuff running?
@rene the solution is using third party libraries that where never updated (because the client never renewed their licensing) since about.... 2006?
and they don't integrate on newer VS versions.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Natural Cosmetics- Makeup And Beauty Tips by Julieepherdy on superuser.com
I am actually wishing I could return to my little SharePoint friend right now.
10:30 AM
@Derpy pastebin it
I suspect you might have a bug somewhere else in your code
@Telkitty careful with the wording there. It is not MY code. It is the code I have to live with, but far away from begin mine -_-
Once you touched it, it is your code....
@rene And that's is why I am wearing gloves.
And this is not a joke either.
10:40 AM
@Derpy now you have reminded me of a junior of mine
@DroidDev actually, the whole idea in the (1+1 == 2) was to still have a condition but exclude any possibility that evaluating it should have side effect on the code inside the if.
That's because in the past I found an == operator overload that also had side effects one the compared members. Same solution.
but why would you need a condition at all?
@DroidDev because the whole point was to understand why putting the breakpoint on the if and then dragging the execution line on the first line of the if inner code caused an exception in that code.
Basically - skipping the execution of an always true if in debug mode changed the behavior of the code inside the if
That is why now I am just leaving it as is for the time begin.
I think it is some VS 2008 bug
I will try to replicate the code on a separate class inside a vs2013 solution and see if it is the same
The fact that the solution still uses framework 3.5 may be part of the problem too.
10:53 AM
so, you ported half to new things (VS 2013) and are yet to decide about other half (framework)
did client agree on that?
@DroidDev nonono. All of the solution is still on VS 2008, nothing changed. I meant that I will probably try to see if I manage to replicate the same behavior by coping part of the code to a separate vs2013 poc project.
oh,ok, anyway, all the best!
Any employees around?
that ^
@shog9 @balpha @JonEricson are you online?
Please read this and take appropriate actions meta.stackexchange.com/posts/278866/revisions
@balpha if you're around, we need your diamond powers on MSE
ar least it is closed now, let's clean-up
11:04 AM
One delete vote to go
@Bart or @Sha available? if so see ^
Deleted. Now let's see if I was right to do so
@Bart Thanks
@Bart that is the right order of moderation actions ....
I may run during the next election then. :p
11:11 AM
I could say go for it but I might risk immediate suspension ... decisions .....
@rene I am pretty sure mods have to be humans and inanimate objects / ponies aren't allowed to candidate in elections. At least that was what they told me
Isn't a doorknob a mod somewhere?
@PatrickHofman I was out to get a haircut, looks like I missed all the fun...
@balpha You did
Pretty unconstructive user...
Deconstructive even
11:23 AM
@Bart I was trying to 'be nice' :)
Pff, being nice is for the weak. Being a bastard is where it's at these days.
11:47 AM
hi guys
I haven't been here for a while
like a year and a half
hi Uni!
Hi rene!
How is life?
Oh, how come?
11:49 AM
I'm not sure how to answer. :P
Hey @Unihedron
Hiya @Bart!
@Unihedron Don't feel obligated to answer.
Good to see you again :)
I'm still waiting for your POC code you posted on Twitter to be open-sourced. :P
11:53 AM
Haha, haven't worked on that in a while
Too busy doing actual gamedev
And I keep hating javascript and web dev :D
You're in the game dev field now?? :0
good luck!!
Yup :) ozwe.com
@rene Hmm...
@Unihedron Ah, real friends, instead of those imaginary ones?
12:16 PM
The last of my college entrance exams just ended, so now I'm stuck at home without much to do.
@Unihedron well, play some chess? Or go for a hike? Plan a vacation?
@Unihedron you are really going to post comics about friendship when I am around?
@Derpy Hi! Do I know you?
@Unihedron Maybe you remember that really annoying user by the name of SpArchaeologist?
Nope. Anyway, hi!
12:23 PM
You made Derpy sad by not remembering their alter-ego
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer, pattern-matching website in answer: How can I install a water inlet for a dishwasher? by Chris Walsh on diy.stackexchange.com
Wow! Smokey's still here.
@balpha what happened to that user? Suspended and now not any more?
@rene don't worry. He will soon remember me..
As soon as I start cute diabetes inducing pony images.
This room is the best room.
It will not die out like the other rooms made on meta.stackexchange.
12:27 PM
@PatrickHofman It was only for 2 days I suspect just to sort things out before it escalated further. I assume mod message have been sent and with that the issue was resolved. No need for the network-wide suspension any more I guess.
What are mods supposed to do with those flags: meta.stackexchange.com/q/278870/158100
Wow, my Stack Overflow reputation went up while I was away.
12:33 PM
yes, we upvote all the things
12:58 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, blacklisted user: http://supplementscloud.com/panaxcea-review/ by Biytry Jil on arduino.stackexchange.com
1:25 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: Na esteira de examinar esta imagem em movimento, você pode ter pensado by Amons1989 on arduino.stackexchange.com
2:12 PM
Maybe organize three re-open voters in the Tavern? — rene 27 secs ago
Not sure if @sha and @bart are in for that ^ IIRC they don't fancy mob voting ...
@rene I'm here!
And you have re-open votes, yeah \o/
I'm bored.
Tell me something interesting while we wait.
If Patrick wants to start a re-open vote we can follow him so the questions can be closed as the same duplicate again
@rene meh ...
@rene meh ...
Two mehs for the price of one. Got to love flaky internet
as long as it is free ...
they all need two more re-open votes
I spammed a comment as well on all of those questions
That is what you get if you do meh....
2:25 PM
I am a responsible citizen, and I vote!
For change!
Unicorns for President
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad character in title, Chinese character in title, messaging number in body, messaging number in title, mostly non-Latin body, mostly non-Latin title: 权威!三方认证QQ/微信★243020730★办理英国兰卡斯特大学毕业证成绩单 by mkjoza56 on patents.stackexchange.com
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4:13 PM
He @ProgramFOX did you notice my reopen-pls for 4 questions? If you haven't, do you mind taking a look at them?
on it
Voted! One more reopen vote needed for each and then we can close again.
OK, thx
Hmm, animuson is interfering
4:44 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: Scales and Ascending/Descending differences by frg on music.stackexchange.com
5:14 PM
Wait, what?
Q: Let's experiment with town hall style chat events

AnaWhen we first launched meta, something pretty amazing happened - we came together and defined what we feel is one of the most transparent and inclusive ways that a company can communicate with the people who use what it builds. We pretty squarely give credit to all of you for some of the best fea...

You take your experiments somewhere else ;)
Uh oh. Should we mute Smokey for the time of the event?
I think so, yes
@rene Interesting
5:30 PM
> Think of it like making a point to make sure that we sit down and have a long lunch together once each month.
I know, we can debate the definition of a sandwich for an hour.
CloudFlare is having DNS issues in South America. See https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/incidents/vwdh6yd29n9h
We're seeing an attack that is affecting some traffic to our Latin American data centers.
Site-recommendation-request: a link that tells anyone who clicks it what some moment of time corresponds to in their timezone.
Shog9 has added an event to this room's schedule.
@rene ^
5:43 PM
I answered the challenge of one of the smartest seniors!
Nice, though a painful way to prove that formula.
The Unix timestamp of chat event is 1462474800. Still looking for a site that converts it in URL parameter.
Like WA does: wolframalpha.com/input/… but not painfully slow one.
6:05 PM
@rene sd 4k
6:15 PM
@Shog so what are we gonna do in happy hour?
Serial downvote?
be happy
Boring jokes
> This is a regular event, happening every 7 days until 12/18/3000.
sure that's gonna be long enough?
We're gonna be so happy we won't die.
Wait, @Shog, does this mean we shouldn't be happy any other time?
6:26 PM
I should keep my happiness for that hour.
you should.
It's been some years since I last were happy.
Like, 0.00001 years.
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: "Death comes in threes" origin? by user172700 on english.stackexchange.com
sd k
Does anyone remember how mod elections used to have a town hall chat thing? It was replaced by the question collection process.
6:40 PM
I wasn't around at the time; just read about it on meta.
I thought the town hall was in addition to the question collection?
Ah, the good old days of pitchforks and the ritual burning of those who didn't survive ...
The drawback of chat, for mod elections, is that the community is in different time zones.
@S.L.Barth It was all in chat, with excerpts posted on meta unofficially. Example: February 2013 Moderator Election - Town Hall Chat Digest
@Meta Ah yes, now I remember.... but I think I prefer the more structured approach of a question collection.
Wait... Pops called himself "Lord Torgamus" at the time?
6:54 PM
@ShadowWizard thx
@S.L.Barth yup
7:07 PM
@Bart I assume you'll share your tips on how to survive that, right? Given that at the moment I'm the only one that proposed a topic, hence I run the risk of being offered to the Unicorns ...
My smiting stick kept me safe ... you're on your own
But .... but .... meh ....
What is Meta Stack Exchange Town Hall about?
About me?
I would totally accept that ....
7:13 PM
@S.L.Barth For quite some time I believed halls are places made for no purpose other than walking.
@PhMgBr Do molecules walk?
@Meta Wait, first they make an entire SE site about you, then they give you a town hall?!?
Thursday at 3? Why not 4? :(
@S.L.Barth We move with speeds of close to 2000 kilometers per hour in gaseous state. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
Well, it's certainly nice to see the return of town halls.
We can discuss requiring comments with downvotes.
7:19 PM
Yes, let's start with an easy topic ...
@Meta We have MSO for that. For the daily train wreck.
That's quite the meta topic, @Meta.
We could do SWOT analysis of SE: identify the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats.
@Meta Why they no commentz when downrate? SO so rude, wow
I voted on the only one left (I think), @rene.
7:22 PM
OK, thx
@Meta Or start stop continue...
@Meta I actually like that, although I think most issues have already been discussed on MSO and MSE.
Does getting rid of spam in less than the time it takes for random people to click count as an strength?
Yes, the deletiony kind of moderation is a strength.
@PhMgBr Yes.
7:24 PM
If you want to be a spam fighting site, yes.
The edit kind, not as much.
Big weakness is how easy bad edits slip through, yes.
There's nothing in the review system to encourage quality review.
I temporarily blocked new-user questions from a bunch of vodafone IPs, which should slow this down a bit also. — Shog9 ♦ 8 mins ago
Interesting turn of events on CStheory: cstheory.stackexchange.com/…
Slow site, so mods are slow to react.
7:36 PM
I have enough rep to downvote on CS, but not CStheory. :(
I could post a question which you answer ....
@PhMgBr Well, there's audits, but the Suggested Edit audits are far too easy.
...even so, some reviewers manage to trip even those.... I really wonder how such people got 2K in the first place!
@S.L.Barth Audits are for the minimum paying attention.
There should be something for the nicer guy who pays extra attention.
Like how there's a badge for answering and editing.
Any ideas how that would work? Reviewing by it's nature is a rather binary thing - approve or reject.
Given the disastrous results that incentivizing review had, I'm very, very wary of adding more badges!
Review queues: too much carrot, not enough stick.
@S.L.Barth Fun fact: just showing a number that increases is incentive enough to encourage people to do things we wish they didn't.
7:44 PM
@S.L.Barth No, no more badges.
Already too much badges.
@JonEricson I've noticed... on a daily basis....
Says a guy who used to think we don't have enough badges.
I think we need an extra penalty for reviewers who get suspended manually multiple times.
Not for automated suspension, only for cases where misbehavior is confirmed manually.
...and where the reviewer didn't learn.
And in case anyone's wondering - yes, I'm seriously thinking about a rep penalty for these people.
8:02 PM
Ok, here's a topic we could discuss on the Town Hall: how to get the Help & Improvement queue working properly.
@S.L.Barth that only exist on SO ....
I'm not saying it is not a good topic ...
I could propose it for an SO specific Town Hall.
What about the external two things: opportunities and threats? What's the biggest threat for Stack Exchange?
Quora becoming a household verb? (Just quora it?)
@Meta Ironically, the biggest threat to SE is it's own success. Our quality control doesn't scale, at least on SO.
And what happens now on SO, will eventually happen to other sites as they grow.
8:07 PM
I don't expect any SE site to ever become as large as SO is now.
I certainly believe it is possible, but the problems will manifest themselves long before that happens.
Math is by far the largest among the rest (measuring the Q/A volume), and it hit a wall already.
Two years of Q (blue) and A (green) counts. Answering is on decline.
And that's just in terms of quantity, in terms of quality the drop would be bigger if it could be quantified.
8:12 PM
...and that brings me to my topic suggestion: how can we maintain quality as we grow increasingly popular?
We can't. Decay and death are natural and inevitable processes.
@S.L.Barth I don't think there's a need to maintain things.
Decay means increasing entropy, and more entropy means more information :-)
I think as much quality as is needed to make the sites feel visibly different from competing forums, so that an expert feels better here, is enough.
It's not only about keeping the smart people around. It's even more about Getting The Right Answer.
8:16 PM
Ok, I'm convinced, post it as a proposal or are you planning to re-run the transcript on thursday?
I'll post a proposal.
8:32 PM
@S.L.Barth who's the lucky person? :P
@ShadowWizard MSE.
...so tempting to say "@Meta" here! :-D
But.... aren't proposals belong to Area 51? ;)
MSE got... "requests". :D
@ShadowWizard I'm not so sure, it's happened to Meta (the site) before:
Aug 17 '15 at 0:56, by tchrist
> Dear Meta, will you marry me?
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: I'm trying to identify a movie by James on movies.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector why?
8:38 PM
@ShadowWizard Body - Position 462-467: serum
@SmokeDetector fpu
@ShadowWizard Registered question as false positive and whitelisted user.
...I was actually very surprised by @tchrist's proposal to MSE. Not because of the proposal itself. But because he, the linguist, interpreted "proposing on" as "proposing to". ;-)
@S.L.Barth and see who is the one triggering that fatal mistake... @Meta itself, before even being called Meta! :D
(think back then he/she was still called Normal Human, no? ;))
Yes, I think so.
8:52 PM
Yeah, pings down the transcript kind of prove this. :)
I see a Tavern Soap Series evolving here. :-D
lol, this would be awesome! Will Shog be the director?
I imagine Shog more as the person determining viewer age limits.
@S.L.Barth 30+ would be fitting
Q: Review bans should escalate beyond 30 days

Brad LarsonCurrently, as reviewers fail audits, they are banned from review for increasing durations (2 days, then 7, then 30). At present, this caps out at 30 days. The next time a reviewer is banned, the ban duration drops down to 2 days. Even moderators cannot hand out review bans of longer than 30 days....

8:55 PM
"The following preview has been approved for all ages and people above 20 rep."
In other news, somehow this question managed to survive for 10 months... although the roomba will get it tomorrow.
Q: Detect Radio Signals from Microwave returning waves

Mohammad AfrashtehIs it possible to detect radio signals from microwave returning waves affected by radio signals?

Size of the review queue, I guess. Not enough reviewers to close it in time.
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