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9:00 PM

Yep. Neither close review task got any votes: stackoverflow.com/review/close/9892827, stackoverflow.com/review/close/8428086

Undo

@Meta what's happening?

hichris123

@Undo giant vote rings - see TL.

S.L. Barth

@hichris123 Well, I was just thinking about that today! Upvoted it.

Undo

oh, yeah

S.L. Barth

Why one would go from a 30 day suspension down to a 7 day suspension, for the same repeated offense, is beyond me.

Zizouz212

9:06 PM

Umm... What did I just do?

hichris123

You've just wasted another hour... oh, not yet.

user315433

@Undo How is VLQ a problem for SO mods? It's not available for questions. For answers, it's available only if the score <=0. And those can be deleted by VLRQ if they are indeed low quality; mod intervention is not needed.

Undo

@Meta It's available for questions w/ score <= 0

Zizouz212

What's Town Hall?

Undo

^ this is why it's a problem

hichris123

9:13 PM

@Zizouz212 Where we'll talk about Real Problems™ with Stack Exchange staff and have a personal and inviting conversation.

user315433

I see, for old ones. Maybe it shouldn't be available for questions, then.

hichris123

I've noticed more and more NAA/VLQ flags on wrong answers. :/ stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/12183932

Zizouz212

Oh. I saw it, and I was confused. And then I was confused as to why it brought me here :P

Quill

morning

user315433

@hichris123 It could be automatic. I think downvotes on old answers hovering around 0 score can cause that.

user315433

9:18 PM

Source: after downvoting old answers from 1 to 0 for roomba purposes, I sometimes see them in LQRQ.

hichris123

Oh yeah I forgot about that. But no downvotes today: stackoverflow.com/posts/7652573/timeline

user315433

Then it's David Hoelzer's fault...

Quill

Flight Facilities - I Didn't Believe feat. Elizabeth Rose

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user315433

9:33 PM

This fits with a topic I was going to propose. Perhaps we can discuss how the SE Quality Project (meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/se-quality-project) and (meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/se-quality-project) are proceeding. Are there new changes coming either in terms of policy or technology to assist with some of the quality related "problems" — Andy 20 mins ago

user315433

I'm pretty sure SEQP was finished long time ago; looking for a reference.

Undo

@Meta Currently, 222/371 of these are questions. So that might do some good.

I still question whether it's even necessary on answers, though

user315433

The reason I thought there were not available is that there are no questions in LQRQ on SO (except audits). Who's supposed to review them, Triage or mods?

Undo

@Meta As I understand it, mods are the only way these flags get handled on questions

First-post reviews don't seem to handle them

user315433

I think Triage was supposed to do that.

Undo

9:42 PM

Although the VLQ flags seem to be triggering Triage reviews

... but not in all cases

(going through and looking at timelines)

Quill

user315433

SO mod ^

Undo

yeah, now just imagine a bunch of dogs doing that

I have no idea how VLQ flags even work.

Quill

Duct Tape and the tears of developers

user315433

I know VLQ is not available for questions being triaged or currently in close review. I think it makes no sense to have VLQ on old questions, either. If they sat on the site for a while without anyone noticing, deleting them probably isn't an urgent matter.

Undo

9:48 PM

@Meta I don't see why we need VLQ on questions at all; why won't the normal close flags work?

those at least kick them directly into the CV queue, where something can actually be done

bluefeet

@Undo Just so you know, I started looking at this problem this week and hopefully will have some sort of solution soonish

the problem being VLQ flags on questions hanging out in the mod queue

Shog9

SOONISH!

(soonish >= 6-8 weeks)

Undo

10:09 PM

Awesome ;)

user315433

10:38 PM

Hi @Jaydles, could you can confirm/refute that "SE quality project" is finished?

user315433

I don't remember anyone saying "this is done now", it's just that people stopped talking about it.

user315433

11:03 PM

I'm putting a status-review on this so that I'm certain to keep noticing it in the weeks coming up as the 'official' quality initiative winds down in scope (we'll have done everything we set out to do for that round). We have additional just-in-time help capabilities that we haven't really advertised yet, and I want to circle back and identify 3 chronically problematic tags on at least 3 sites for a test case. I'll comment again when we get nearer to that point. — Tim Post ♦ Apr 30 '15 at 5:14

user315433

Okay, found something like a confirmation with Data Explorer comment search.

Undo

11:17 PM

Is that a piggy bank in a fish tank?

Quill

maybe it's an airconditioner

user315433

It's a piggy bank hidden in a toilet tank.

Undo

so I shouldn't put my money in a toilet tank. Gotcha.

I'd think most programmers could figure that out, though

Although... looking at /questions, maybe not

Doorknob

It might be effective for safety. Who would think to look for money in a toilet tank?

Undo

that said, if I were a burglar... I don't think I'd ever look for mo... yeah

darnit doorknob. Too fast.

@Doorknob this might be a good idea - why couldn't one put valuables in a tupperware container fastened to the lid?

Water in a toilet tank is theoretically clean anyway, so that's not a problem

Doorknob

11:22 PM

Perfect, now I'll know exactly where to go when I rob @Undo's house. :P

Quill

I store my money in a washing machine, money laundering goes well with cottons

Undo

@Doorknob fair warning; my valuables might include an air horn, or spring-loaded rubber snake, or something otherwise evil

user315433

@ShadowWizard: Probably not. Chat events really don't scale well. For the purposes of this pilot test, I personally am more interested in attracting the right people than in attracting many people. Maybe next time. — Jon Ericson ♦ 1 hour ago

user315433

Right people: those who know SE, want to do something about it, and are not yet burned out.

Quill

Wasn't there a townhall style room on SE Chat

user315433

11:27 PM

The Assembly, yes. It's pretty much ~~dead~~ all random all the time.

hichris123

You can't call it dead until random leaves.

And Seth...

Quill

in The Assembly on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Apr 9 at 14:35, by random