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7:00 AM
Well, this is hopeful. I flagged another self-promoter, and that flag was deemed helpful, and the self-promoting answers are removed.
Yeah, I'm still curious about what the opinion about self-promotion like that is on Meta.
I mean in your own content.
Oh wait...
There should be stuff about that one guy...
Q: Limits for self-promotion in answers

Michael MrozekIt's been covered before that posting links to your own website is ok, but should there be a line drawn? There were several spam flags today for Ira Baxter's recent posts, presumably because they all link to his website. Initially I disagreed because his answers seem for the most part relevant to...

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: Cogniflex Unemployment is a frequent cause of by jonelleeltonewf on meta.stackexchange.com
the spam link is broken though ^
Yeah, there's a good one from MSE.
sd tpu-
Spam links are usually broken
7:03 AM
Oh, I forgot I don't need to do that for manually reported posts.
I've quoted that faq a dozen or more times when interacting with self-promoters
But just linking to your blog seems less clear to me, since it's unclear if that counts as promotion
I'd say it does.
So if you link to your own blog, you have to disclose the fact that it's your blog.
And if a large percentage of your posts link back to it...that's a problem.
Yeah, I suppose it's easy enough to say it's your blog
7:05 AM
He says so in his user about me
Not good enough.
I believe stating affiliation in profile doesn't count
Who's going to click through a profile to check?
7:06 AM
Well, one particular edit reviewer did... a certain S.L. Barth :-)
Next up: give UniBot 20 rep
Or write access
Or MS Access
There was another more recent MSO or MSE post somewhere that actually gave an opinion about what percentage of self-promotion posts is a problem.
7:08 AM
This is where deleting Meta posts becomes a problem, because I remember seeing a very recent discussion about this in the past couple of weeks, but now it's hard for me to find it.
@UnitedStatesOfAmerica So... 10 edit suggestions or a good Meta post?
Q: Is promoting one's own product always spam?

HappyCoderConsider this answer. The user seems to promote his/her own toolkit as a response to the question. Even the profile description of the user says that moderators have flagged/deleted posts in the past. How should one deal with such posts? Flag? If yes, then what? If not, what then? EDIT: Even ...

Good, it wasn't deleted.
Apparently "59%" is the threshold for "this is a problem", lol
7:11 AM
> If a "huge percentage" (59 is considered huge) of your posts mentions or links to your product, you're under suspicion. -- source
"59 is considered huge" - I interpret that to mean the threshold is lower, 59% is just way beyond it.
But it's not really about numbers. If Linus Torvalds were to answer a number of questions about Linux, and link all of them to the kernel source code... it would probably not be a problem.
I don't know, that doesn't seem to be unnecessary self-promotion.
Like, the topic of the question is your product.
I think that's they keyword - unnecessary .
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body: Improves your brain’s working? by brittneyslotnc on stackoverflow.com
7:16 AM
sd tpu-
@SmokeDetector yes, improve my brain werking!
I needz halp wit teh thinking!
That user has an interesting rep history.
@Cupcake Which one?
The one you just flagged for self-promotion.
7:28 AM
Wow..... self-promotion, sock-puppetry...
If he wasn't suspension-worthy before, he sure is now...
7 days.
7:34 AM
Might increase if the mods know that apparently he's been committing voting-fraud.
Isn't the first suspension 2 days? And then 7?
I don't know.
Considering all of this user's activities, 7 days seems rather light.
And with this kind of sock-puppetry, they should have been suspended before.
Even more reason to give a longer suspension.
7:41 AM
The only reason not to ban that user outright, is to keep an eye on them.
Nuke their account, they'll have a new sock tomorrow.
I think it's very rare for a user to be banned.
@S.L.Barth yeah, pretty much for this reason.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Ce produit est la valorisation des by Reartiong on superuser.com
@S.L.Barth that's why you nuke the main and all the socks. Will create a new account maybe, but he will also restart at ground 0
7:51 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body: Vigoraflo Naturally With Herbal Remedies And Supplements by britneycaroline on stackoverflow.com
sd tpu-
@SPArchaeologist Good point. You'd want to be sure that you've destroyed all the socks above 15 rep though.
...come to think of it, you only need 2 accounts to start voting fraud. One to post a fake question and one to answer it. Then the first accounts accepts the answer and BAM, one account with 15 rep and voting rights.
Wasn't there a discussion lately about increasing the rep required to vote...? This would be one reason for raising it.
7:56 AM
@S.L.Barth yup, I remember a sock puppet ring of ~10 accounts, which caused spam to reach the Hot Network Questions list. (each account had over 100 rep, some more than 300, before they were all nuked)
> At the end of this timed suspension period, your reputation will be recalculated, and your account will resume as normal. We don't hold grudges. The point of all this is to address the behavior. If the behavior improves, you are welcome back.

**This should probably go without saying, but if the problem behaviors do continue beyond the timed suspension, your account is very likely to be permanently deleted.**
Jeff Atwood on April 6, 2009
Are you familiar with the Penalty Box?
How do you bold something in quote formatting?
@ShadowWizard Ouch!! Now I've never been a fan of the Hot Questions list anyway...
> bold?
7:57 AM
@Cupcake it is the multiline
@SPArchaeologist yeah, I figured :/
Oh well, great thing about Markdown, it's still readable even when it's not rendered.
Multiline breaks formatting. Already posted on meta a long long time ago. Not going to fix because not worth the effort and apparently it would require too much computing.
It is also possible I misinterpreted the reasons altogether.
@ShadowWizard lol, unintended consequence of voting ring...that user got more attention than he intended, lol
7:59 AM
Q: Markdown in chat fails for multi-line messages

sbiWe've come to rename Markdown to Letdown in the C++ chat room because it lets you down so often. I've now just found a pattern. It seems markdown fails for multi-line messages. That is, this Letdown can't cope with multi-line comments. Let's see code? fails to display code marked as co...

in Chat feedback, Aug 6 '10 at 19:14, by Marc Gravell
multi-line bypasses markdown
weird, what balpha is doing in a long frozen room??
maybe he never close tabs?
This 5 year old question clearly offends todays rules about don't ask for software recommendations. It has recently had a new answer which is just a recommendation plus a link to a website. Should it be closed now? stackoverflow.com/questions/2791147/…
@Cupcake nah, I think it was a troll that wanted to wreck as much havoc as possible.
@ShadowWizard Nope. The post is that one, but the reference is not Marc. It was Anna.
@Xeo The rest isn't going to happen. Doing full markdown parsing on long multiline messages can be costly and it opens up the path for trolls to be extra annoying. Chat isn't intended for posting long fully-formatted messages. — Anna Lear ♦ Aug 15 '13 at 15:49
8:04 AM
Why not ask?
@SPArchaeologist huh, missed that. However, she got a point.
@AdrianHHH Yes, voting to close.
@S.L.Barth, Thanks. I have now voted to close.
One more vote and it's all good.
Added my vote too
8:06 AM
Flags as voting fraud
@ShadowWizard Imho, I think that Gilly and Raphael comments below that one are "pointer". Which is pretty appropriate since unicorns.
@UnitedStatesOfAmerica Which one? Not the tool request question, I hope? That's just off-topic, not fraud.
Ah, ok.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: Vigoraflo Done With Testosterone Supplement by taniazul on drupal.stackexchange.com
Yields, not yeilds. After that I'll approve it.
Just do improve edit
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, blacklisted user: How to calculate ring strain energy by Broski on chemistry.stackexchange.com
Here you are.
8:16 AM
Where's the molecule...? Haven't seen him for a few days.
I flagged that answer 8 hours ago.
VLQ though, not as spam.
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HOW TO CREATE JSON by Maddy on stackoverflow.com
8:25 AM
sd tpu
@UnitedStatesOfAmerica [:4057658] Blacklisted user.
Google translate still says it's alarms
Meh, it's already gone now, oh well.
@Cupcake Just open an English site side by side - they're in the same spot
8:29 AM
Stack Overflow in Russian makes me feel like I'm looking at a Russian knock off of the English site.
@Cupcake I memorized it
Sup @PraxisAshelin
@uni yo
Like one of those scraper sites.
8:31 AM
You know, the ones that scrape content from SO and pollute search results.
We report them real fast
I don't think the SO team actually does anything beyond sending a license compliance request, unless the scraper starts to gain really high search rankings.
Which they never do.
Makes searching for plagiarism plenty hard though.
They can just ask google to remove the result there for the scraper
8:33 AM
Just Do It
Lol that one
emacs -batch -l dunnet
8:39 AM
8:51 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted user: SAP HANA Online Training by likitha12 on stackoverflow.com
sd tpu-
sd 2tpu-
This question,
Q: Require at least one true moderator to close a question deemed duplicate by a privileged user

syntaxerrorThough this suggestion might be way over the top with questions that are ''blatantly off-topic'', there may be easily some bias involved with duplicate ones, shown as follows. Just look at mine: How to handle spaces in path names when variable contains multiple paths This is so evident that a pa...

sd why
@Cupcake [:4057828] Body - Position 176-193: xdanaux@gmail.com
@SmokeDetector fp
@Cupcake Registered answer as false positive.
[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected in title: /deep/ combinator is deprecated. See chromestatus.com/features/6750456638341120 for more details by Vamshi P on stackoverflow.com
@SmokeDetector tpu-
9:30 AM
@SmokeDetector fp
@Cupcake Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
Isn't this way too broad?:
Q: What is the best way to conditionally apply a class?

respectTheCodeLets say you have an array that is rendered in a ul with an li for each element and a property on the controller called selectedIndex. What would be the best way to add a class to the li with the index selectedIndex in AngularJS? I am currently duplicating (by hand) the li code and adding the cl...

Look how many crap answers it has.
26 (including deleted ones).
9:35 AM
Close that sucka.
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: ha-09p9ad awdadsfdsz 0980 iuoQPiur 90 by user277809 on math.stackexchange.com
sd tp
@Cupcake [:4057851] Registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
I think the confusion is because the careers ad links to a page to sign up to be a freelancer, using that site to find work. So it's not an ad to work for that company directly per say, but to possibly find work by being a member of that site. It's definitely not a fake company, it's even been mentioned on Forbes and has it's own wikipedia. — CRABOLO 17 mins ago
9:44 AM
@Cupcake it's already protected
Bah, I can't ping CRABOLO.
@PraxisAshelin that won't stop crap answers from higher rep users who don't know any better (or ought to know better).
It needs to be closed, period.
It's way off-topic.
there are no new answers since it was protected
imo no need for further closure
9:51 AM
@PraxisAshelin in general, I agree with @Cupcake on this, that off topic questions should be closed, old or new. Personally I'm not sure about this specific question though, so not giving my own vote.
@Cupcake I cross-posted your cv-pls in the SOCVR room, with the evil close voters...
@rene cool, thanks!
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: That is a good way to maintain the individual aware of their situation during sleep by rosedawkins on superuser.com
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[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: COCOS2D-X USING_NS_CC by user2861800 on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Erase wrinkles and fine lines by Abigailconn on stackoverflow.com
10:01 AM
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[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Anti-Aging Skin Booster by Abigailconn on askubuntu.com
sd tpu-
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Male Enhancement, How Far Is Too Far? by pandswred on meta.stackexchange.com
sd tpu-
@SmokeDetector gone
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: How to imitate commercial fried chicken? by David on cooking.stackexchange.com
10:26 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: How To Build Muscle Quickly And Easily by user458561 on askubuntu.com
@SmokeDetector why
@BoomsPlus Body - Position 150-159: Male Perf
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: The Truth About Belly Fat by jordanjasprizza on drupal.stackexchange.com
sd tpu-
Sup @Boo
sd 3tpu-
10:29 AM
1. [:4057972] <processed without return value>
2. [:4057970] That message is not a report.
3. [:4057968] <processed without return value>
Sup @UnitedStatesOfAmerica
@SmokeDetector tpu-
@SmokeDetector tpu-
sd tpu
@BoomsPlus you don't have smokey rights
@UnitedStatesOfAmerica but i will
10:33 AM
Ask @Pro
@BoomsPlus You're too young to smoke
!!/ping attack @ProgramFOX 38075098572398750923475918437458375023987745083945798032475893427589345709347590‌​834758903745890327498057234543534578937415091384759807458903474897309587234089572‌​348905703498750348957028347517853519108357098347508913659158374756095342784568732‌​197422439207354927392047792047524075427078365423908783689438279023364382728622728‌​3238793283279368548279336482378824863847902468327489036324789018349270235
@PeterJ at least older than @UnitedStatesOfAmerica xD
wrong room @Boo
@ShadowWizard oh
10:34 AM
I can surely hand them out, @BoomsPlus -- but remember that TP'ing twice is useless, as you just tried to do.
@ProgramFOX yup
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10:35 AM
@ShadowWizard brews a cup of earl grey tea for @ShadowWizard
@BoomsPlus Den
don't remember that one
@BoomsPlus brews a cup of darjeeling tea for @BoomsPlus
10:36 AM
whats that
huh, random tea
pours darjeeling tea on @Sha
backslash ^
fix your slash @inɒ ;)
@BoomsPlus oh thanks, I needed that!
10:38 AM
Blame the overnighter TeX coding
@ShadowWizard It's rene's fault.
@BoomsPlus brews a cup of mint tea for @BoomsPlus
10:38 AM
@Pro where you took the list of tea from?
@ShadowWizard It was in a pull request; github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/85
There you go @BoomsPlus ^
@SmokeDetector I knew something was behind the sinister face of that innocent flower.
10:40 AM
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M its a Rafflesia
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: If you have a relationship or job that's depressing you by user306934 on meta.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body: Improve Your Brain Simply by Playing Chess by Seanlangley on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: Professional team of Custom essay writing service by Jenniferobbins on gaming.stackexchange.com
10:43 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: fuck you stackoverflow by user271865 on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body: which one is best institute for cognos online training in hyd? by sukiakki on stackoverflow.com
sd 2tpu
1. [:4058160] Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
2. [:4058157] Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
@SmokeDetector 2gone
10:59 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: I'm the guy that I was training by ammadroy1378 on drupal.stackexchange.com
sd tpu-
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Voice recognition: "Yes" or "No"? by Raju Kumar on codegolf.stackexchange.com
sd tpu-
Why is this starred?
26 mins ago, by SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: fuck you stackoverflow by user271865 on stackoverflow.com
11:19 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: What Are The Amazing New Anti Aging Formula? by letaehhitez on stackoverflow.com
@Cupcake Because the kinder garten gets excited about naughty words...
@SmokeDetector sd tpu-
@rene I guess so :/
@MiceElf new pattern: link not at the end
spammers learn
WUT? Are they human?
11:22 AM
Link-at-end is only active on Meta, Drupal, SU, and security. Not feasible on SO; too many links everywhere.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body: Symptoms: If Any? by user306938 on meta.stackexchange.com
cheaper to hire humans for something like $1/day than investing in complicated bots
Shouldn't we inform the UN? That seems terrible ...
Then it makes sense for SE to hire humans for flagging the spam instead of investing in complicated filters. Oh wait...
11:23 AM
Well, they have a job... they bring money home... :)
Selling brain pills
I could use them brain pills...
11:25 AM
Blue en Red?
no, don't take the red pill....
Oh, you tell me now....
@rene How nice of spammers to include a bunch of keywords at the end, to make absolutely sure the post matches the blacklist.
It is always the red wire ....
With several variations even.
11:27 AM
@rene nah, because it's rare to have such words here without having it flagged ;)
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Et aussi pour améliorer également la force by Brianna sam on superuser.com
here too?
> any one have any problem
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Success Can Cause An Adaptation Crisis by user306940 on meta.stackexchange.com
11:37 AM
sd tpu-
user image
New working on your problem pic?
11:54 AM
Poor mac...
obviously you don't hate apple enough :p
Hmm ... didn't see that one coming ;)
That chicken was ... amazing!
11:57 AM
@SmokeDetector tpu-
Is there a major technical issue with making the name of dupehammer-closer autocomplete in comments under the post?
I guess the autocomplete is a client-side thing (?), but even so, the name is right there on the page: in the closure banner.
I don't think autocomplete works unless someone has actually left a comment.
Does it work for non-dupehammer closers?
I don't remember.
11:59 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: Layering 2 pictureboxes is fucking me by BramSnoek on stackoverflow.com
sd fp
@Cupcake [:4058502] Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

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