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Rebecca Chernoff

5:04 PM

...the hell is up with this. In all the WwF games I'm playing I'm overloaded with vowels.

Tim Stone

Yeah, I had the same problem for a bit, heh.

radp

That's why Italian rocks! :P

Rebecca Chernoff

ha

radp

AIUOLE

(AIUOLA works too, and AULA, and OLIO, and...)

Tim Stone

gives his excess vowels to @radp

radp

5:07 PM

@TimStone AO.

Tim Stone

We'll need a Finnish scapegoat as well for when I get too many consonants...

drachenstern

Yatta! Lost!

I may be at the office before 1:30 today ... /facepalm

Tyler Chacha

Hello

Rebecca Chernoff

5:40 PM

@radp Aioli to the rescue!

Michael Mrozek

What game is this?

radp

Okay looks tired at the unwieldly starred list

enough of this

I'm tired of sifting through page and page of starred posts to find old funnies.

The solution obviously is making a just as unwieldly tumblr, because that's what all the cool kids do!

Michael Mrozek

@radp Make a special gallery chat room named "radp's list of actually funny Tavern posts" and post permalinks from here

Rather like reddit.com/r/atheistgems

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek Words with Friends on iPhone

Michael Mrozek

Ah. You people and your games I can't play

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Rebecca Chernoff

5:55 PM

Woah. I can view .user.js extensions now in Chrome.

Nick T

@TimStone Is that like this?

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Rebecca Chernoff

github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/blob/master/… works and is viewable

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Really?

I mean, it was a trivial change...but since it hadn't happened yet, I'm surprised.

Rebecca Chernoff

I wasn't thinking when I clicked it, and then wondered wtf I had clicked on that was displaying.

Tim Stone

@NickT Yeah, but we're all a bit too far apart to sit around a table with a real game of Scrabble. :P

Hahah

status-bydesign

Rebecca Chernoff

5:58 PM

@TimStone LOL

Tim Stone

in The Bridge on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 mins ago, by tzenes

If that much value was going to be placed on something that is little more than an opinion, I'd look else where to a place where value was placed on data and research

@radp I'll say this in here because I don't want to start something, but people's opinions aren't important, but we should throw a fit about ignoring them? I don't get it.

radp

6:24 PM

@TimStone corward :P

Tim Stone

Eh, I just don't think it's a productive area of discussion at this point..

radp

I'm sure tzenes can write a couple screenfuls on the difference, but it defeats me right now

Tim Stone

OK, as long as it's not just me I'm happy to leave it at that ;)

Tim Stone

6:41 PM

@Fosco Having now randomly remembered, why did you ask about PHP earlier, by the way? :P

Fosco

7:06 PM

@TimStone Oh.. I was just working on something last night and still thinking about it this morning..

Tim Stone

I spent several years making PHP sites, to answer your question more seriously.

Fosco

I love it.. It's absolutely my favorite language to develop in. I don't understand the hate it gets. )

mootinator

@Fosco I think it's because it's so simple one can do serious damage without knowing much.

Tim Stone

The PHP compiler annoys me a little bit and there are some things that shouldn't be so hard, but I don't have any more grips about it than other languages I work with. :)

Fosco

@mootinator yeah... That's true about a lot of things. It doesn't mean it's all bad.

mootinator

7:11 PM

I like Cake.

Fosco

I'm building something with an MVC style, using PHP for lightweight web services... I think it's elegant... jQuery for the view (obviously)

Tim Stone

Heheh

mootinator

@Fosco Saying jQuery for the view (obviously) is redundant.

Fosco

I may be superfluous and redundant.. but I also repeat myself and use too many words.

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mootinator

Chuck Norris once tried to roundhouse jQuery. He ended up in the hospital.

Fosco

7:16 PM

aw man... a chuck norris joke can't end with chuck norris in the hospital!

mootinator

Sorry. jQuery > Chuck Norris.

Tim Stone

Does that imply that $.chuckNorris() is the most devastating weapon in existence?

mootinator

Yes. Yes it does.

Tim Stone

7:53 PM

Clearly my vocabulary is extensive.

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Rebecca Chernoff

8:05 PM

hahaha

About to start another learn how to be me meeting. I'll try to play during that, maybe after. >_<

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Ah...fun stuff. Heheh ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

mmmno.

Tim Stone

There was a hint of "Poor @RebeccaChernoff" in there, but it doesn't translate to text well. :P

The Unhandled Exception

Can't stay, just looking for starred post fron @RebeccaChernoff

Tim Stone

Hahahah

balpha

8:10 PM

Only German-speaking people will appreciate that, but I literally LOLed at the first comment on this example question

The Unhandled Exception

Dec 12 at 8:21, by Jeff Atwood

you guys have got to stop starring all "Oy" messages

LOL

mootinator

lmao

balpha

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Q: God and its many names

Here are a couple names I've seen used for a monotheistic god in questions and answers so far: skydaddy omnipotent being who's fucking with us Now, in effort to promote a civil discussion between atheists and potential theists who would join this site, should we discourage these "colorful" na...

discussion

(private beta)

The Unhandled Exception

That took far too long to find. There are too many starred messages and far too many posts by @RebeccaChernoff

OK. Back to work. Later everyone!

Michael Mrozek

Oh, I didn't even realize the atheism SE had started

balpha

8:16 PM

yeah, last night

Michael Mrozek

Oh, meta. I spent a good 30 seconds trying to figure out why api.atheism.stackexchange.com/1.0/questions/… completely didn't match up with that onebox

drachenstern

@DanGrossman I was not aware of that transition

@TimStone I'll be on the explanation of that as soon as I get my PC going ... 1:30 was apparently a bad time estimate on ETA :p

Pekka

@TimStone A finnish scapegoat for consontants? I think you are thinking czech or polish

Tim Stone

@Pekka I dunno, Finnish has a number of words with an excessive amount of double consonants :P

Pekka

No, finnish is the language with the excessive amount of umlauts and vocals

Hyvinkää

Päämäärä

(means goal or target)

Tim Stone

8:25 PM

@drachenstern Hahah. I'm on a teleconference now anyway. yawns

@Pekka Well, that's true.

Pekka

I voted to unflag the flag, but it's still in place.

Doesn't my opinion count anything in here?

Tim Stone

We're all just here so Marc and balpha can laugh at us. :(

balpha

we have decided on the unflagging rules, but I think they're not fully implemented yet

and I feel bad unflagging my own post :)

but I'll still do it

quoting falls under freedom of the press

Pekka

I like Skydaddy, though

But an ATHEISM StackExchange? Is that a serious proposal?

How is that going to be anything else but a war zone?

balpha

actually, most of the questions look quite interesting so far

let's see if it can keep up when it comes out of private beta

Pekka

8:29 PM

Yeah!

I'm interested to see how all the religion-related sites do "in the field".

It would be nice if things would manage to stay mostly on-topic, and apolitical

The example questions in the Judaism proposal already blew my mind. There's so much astounding stuff

Really interesting, being able to peek into those universes

mootinator

I can't believe this got an upvote:

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/8565/libertarianism/…

balpha

@Pekka then look at mi.yodeya.com

Pekka

@mootinator Well, it's obviously off-topic because the man is clearly beyond child-carrying age

Tim Stone

@mootinator lmao

Pekka

@balpha ah, I didn't know there was a SE1.0 site! Wow.

balpha

8:34 PM

I spent an hour just reading on there

I didn't understand a thing, but it's awesome

Pekka

@balpha yeah same here!

balpha

physics.SE is kindergarten compared to that

Pekka

yeah

Nick T

@balpha What about that

balpha

@NickT Found it quite interesting what the starting problem on that site are. TBH, the questions so far are a whole lot better than what I'd have expected

drachenstern

8:38 PM

$user image$

just making sure I don't get another Hannah ;)

Pekka

Is that a Sombrero?

Nick T

@balpha Yeah, nothing too vitriolic has popped up

drachenstern

@Pekka perhaps so ;)

Nick T

@drachenstern A very poorly drawn normal distribution?

drachenstern

@TimStone so apparently the range for male testosterone for someone in my age/heritage/whatever follows pretty closely to this SAT bellcurve

with [250 : 850] being the acceptable range

I'm 214

That was the check this AM

Tim Stone

8:40 PM

@drachenstern I'm voting this as comparison of the day.

Pekka

@drachenstern where does your user name come from? Any reason it's two german words?

drachenstern

I could've typed that earlier from the phone, but the bellcurve image makes it so much more fun to consider what it means to be that much of an outlier ;)

Tim Stone

Ah ha

drachenstern

@Pekka because it's two german words.

Pekka

@drachenstern do you have german roots?

or some other affinity?

drachenstern

8:41 PM

I was in a RPG phase when I dreamed it up, and taking German classes in HS. They made us pick a Deutsch first name for practicing the language, because "Brenda" or "Joey" aren't really Germanic, so I chose Sven instead of Cole and thought a given name without a family name was silly

Pekka

Heh, nice!

drachenstern

so Drachenstern, Prince of the Dragon-clan was the intent, and it sounded like a decent "old world" name for RPGing

@TimStone and I'm ok with that.

So my choices are a subcutaneous pellet or transdermal patches, so I'm going with transdermal for now, see how that works out

Tim Stone

Those sound like words you used in Words with Friends. :P But yeah, that would have been my first choice as well, heh.

drachenstern

I have all of these but #4 so thought I should, ya know, talk to the doc about it, rather than keep creating stress in the boudoir (cf 1,3,7) and hoping that 10 is a benefit too ;)

@Pekka after taking German for 3 years in an academic setting, we also kept an exchange student for a year, and we still keep in touch.

@TimStone haha, which words?

mootinator

I named a DnD character 'Laird Proudshaft' then shortly after bought a home in the RM of Laird, SK. It may have influenced my decision a small amount.

Tim Stone

8:46 PM

@drachenstern I have some of those, but I think it's more related to mild depression. :P

drachenstern

So to all the guys in here, you should take that quiz and consider talking to the doctor ... I know it's a weird talk, but I did it, so I can recommend it.

Tim Stone

@drachenstern subcutaneous and transdermal, ignoring that they're too long of words to play at once.

drachenstern

@TimStone it was the 1,3,7 that was bothering me enough to make it an issue. LowT can also resemble depression. Have you had any blood workups lately, or do you take anything?

I'm also on Straterra for ADHD so that could be the reason for #1

@TimStone yeah, I so need a rematch :p

Moshe

Hi all.

Who has personal problems to share today?

:-D

drachenstern

I told my wife (we went out for lunch) that I would've failed my SATs had that been my SAT score (and I drew the bell curve) and she laughed and said "can't you even get your name right?" :p

@Moshe I do I do, read up for the past two screenfulls ;)

Moshe

8:49 PM

Oh, ok

drachenstern

So interesting fact, Testosterone isn't on a feedback loop in the body like other chemicals, so adding it to the system doesn't encourage another organ to stop sending chemicals out, so that's an interesting factoid.

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Hm, probably less than a year ago. I forgot what we were checking for, I think it had to do with my being tired. I have a lot of weird things that aren't quite right with me but the doctor has had issues diagnosing, heh.

@drachenstern I'm still playing the game 1 with Rebecca and Jin, so I'm down for another game whenever you want. :P

Moshe

Good luck to both of you then. My personal problem: Adobe's Flash platform. Cya all later. G'luck!

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Hahah

See ya @Moshe

drachenstern

@TimStone oh that sucks to begin with. Well this panel needed to be run separately from normal tests, but she (my doc, also: makes it difficult to start the discussion :S ) did a regular battery of others of some sort along with it. Pretty much all my "regular" levels are fine. Apparently she has a large number of patients getting some sort of T treatment atm. Adverts do help eh?

@Moshe I would rather have my problem than yours :p g'luck

Moshe

8:53 PM

@drachenstern - Thanks.

drachenstern

9:19 PM

Killing firefox by loading a dom with 40k records for fun. Yay me.

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Apparently so :P

Oh Firefox...

Rebecca Chernoff

9:44 PM

@TheUnhandledException wonders what you were looking for

And it isn't my fault y'all star practically everything I say. ):

Tim Stone

Hahah

Michael Mrozek

@RebeccaChernoff How would you say getting constant stars make you feel? Try to express it in a short, monosyllabic word if possible

radp

@MichaelMrozek are you thinking about "yay" maybe?

Rebecca Chernoff

>_<

drachenstern

9:59 PM

@RebeccaChernoff it's shake n bake n I helped! but I'll play nice too :p

Rebecca Chernoff

Heh

drachenstern

wasn't sure she saw it or if she was /afk

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Always good when I start laughing when I'm on a teleconference. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

I did, ya brat. >_<

drachenstern

@TimStone especially when you've got someone like Ben Stein monologuing ;)

@RebeccaChernoff hey I took it off ;)

I have exactly one gold star on the left atm tyvm, and it's on Tim

Rebecca Chernoff

10:02 PM

me too (:

drachenstern

ha!

Tim Stone

\o/

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek I believe the meta questioner wants to avoid "visit new.SE, create an account, verify with OpenID, link to others, refresh page" and go straight to "visit new.SE and voila*" where *=and the magic happens for me

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Q: Automatically Apply Login to every stack site

Hi, I'm becoming come active and I'd like to not have to log-in to each site when I'd like to get started. Is there any way to log-in one place to have all accounts connected? EDIT: Yes so I'm using Chrome, and when I click on the drop down in upper right then go to a site where I don't have a...

support login

However, I could be incredibly wrong. It's happened before, it'll happen again

Tim Stone

Yeah, because it'd be super cool to get an account created on each new.SE that someone links me to...

Since I'm so eager to join Maths.

drachenstern

@TimStone you'll notice I did "new.SE" :p ("on every site" ... my mind went to "tumblr, cnn.com, bananarepublic" :p)

Tim Stone

10:04 PM

Fixed ;)

drachenstern

oh sure, after I can't edit mine anymore :p

Tim Stone

Timing is key. :D

drachenstern

10:31 PM

So besides having a customer isolate like four distinct problems on one phone call, following up on a CSS accessibility issue from last night that sapped two useful hours from my day, and only having a three hour day today, I think I'm doing good for the fact that I'm leaving in 30 minutes. You guys?

Tim Stone

Nice, heheh. I'm...still on this conference call.

yawns a bit

drachenstern

oh geez, still?

that's going on two and a part hours now, yeah?

Tim Stone

Yep :P

drachenstern

Uncaught Error: HIERARCHY_REQUEST_ERR: DOM Exception 3

Tim Stone

No DOM for you!

drachenstern

10:37 PM

I am a smart cookie.

I figured out how to $('div') instead of $('<div />') while looking to build some expressive code that's easily maintainable

then when I appended to it, it uh ... yeah

Tim Stone

;)

drachenstern

And unless I miss my guess, Uncaught Error: HIERARCHY_REQUEST_ERR: DOM Exception 3 means "I had a reference to an object but then the object just went boom"

@TimStone I guess it weren't so maintainable huh? :p

Tim Stone

Perhaps not. Like most of my code, apparently. :P

drachenstern

Firefox is still locked up. Oh if only there were a browser where individual tabs were individual processes... note to self: don't do that again.

Tim Stone

The fact that Firefox didn't even manage to do that by the time 3.6 rolled around makes me very sad.

Just like they don't have a "stop this alert() from popping up"

Rebecca Chernoff

10:44 PM

Chrome > Firefox. End of story. (:

Tim Stone

Yeah, yeah. :p

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff I don't think I'm disagreeing with you in the least, just curious what $(this).wasThinking() when running that particular 40k recordset into the browser ...

Rebecca Chernoff

is confused

Tim Stone

too

Zypher

god I hate security people

drachenstern

10:49 PM

@RebeccaChernoff howso? I have a hung firefox session that is my own doing. Had I started it in Chrome I wouldn't have this problem. I already knew Chrome > Firefox. The two are separate. Still curious what I was thinking.

@Zypher who doesn't?

Rebecca Chernoff

@Zypher ha!

@drachenstern, oh, so you meant what $(me).wasThinking() (;

drachenstern

well sure, but there is no $(me) natively, and I didn't want to define it, so went for the naive $(this) selector instead ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

but that was the part that confused me! (;

drachenstern

oh oh I think I have a chance to abort ops :D

@RebeccaChernoff ahhh, so you forgot that I'm lazy ;) I always go for the naive selector if I'm only pulling it once :D ... I'm very lazy

Tim Stone

@Zypher Why's that? :P

drachenstern

10:52 PM

sometimes that lends to bad practices (cf open large large large recordsets in the wrong browser)

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern, I had just switched back to chat...I hadn't read up so I had no idea what was going on. q:

drachenstern

oh Posh firefox, you can do better than 441MB consumed memory (I know, I've seen it)

@RebeccaChernoff oh :p

Tim Stone

changes the context of @drachenstern's this to someone else

@drachenstern Hah! My Firefox is up to 1 GB

...Wait...son of a bi...

Zypher

ehh ... chat about some asinine security "problem" that has taken more of my brainpower to discuss than "solving" it would fix ...

drachenstern

@TimStone not in my processing session you don't. I don't allow access to modify my internal variables, I have a protective memory model that prevents that

Zypher

10:53 PM

anyway time to catch a train

Rebecca Chernoff

@Zypher, kick back and grab a beer.

...or catch a train.

Tim Stone

@Zypher Did someone bring up Firesheep again? :P

Rebecca Chernoff

(;

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff indeed

Tim Stone

@drachenstern What kind of obscure JavaScript are you running? ;)

@RebeccaChernoff ...with a beer.

Ah, zoning out again.

drachenstern

10:57 PM

@TimStone the kind that doesn't let you fiddle with my internal bits from across the way, a special form of closure

Tim Stone

...I'm going to stop commenting now. :P

drachenstern

heheheh, are you trying to say I've gone off the deepend? I believe so, cos I really wanna leave the office right now I have things to take care of

Tim Stone

I'd leave the office, but uh...I'm not sure what that'd imply.

Rebecca Chernoff

Leave the office, sounds great!

And maybe I'll get home before the freezing rain and ice.

Tim Stone

Party time!

That'd be a plus, heh.

Nick T

11:02 PM

Awesome, my stock meta question has 5 answers, none of which have received a single up-vote

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Q: What’s the “elevator pitch” for our site?

As per The 7 Essential Meta-Questions of Every Beta: What’s the “elevator pitch” for our site? Imagine you’ve just gotten on an elevator with a friendly stranger. You have precisely one floor to describe your community to them. What would you say? The elevator pitch is a brief sentence t...

discussion

Tim Stone

shakes fist Argh

Nick T

5 down-votes between the lot

Michael Mrozek

11:34 PM

Those elevator pitch posts never go well

Tyler Chacha

Ola

mootinator

<some_random_tag> tag is distracting

Zypher

@mootinator yes and now it's distracting us in chat too .... thanks :)

mootinator

Mwahaha.

Zypher

11:49 PM

Good 1; Evil 0

Rebecca Chernoff

\o/ I beat the freezing rain!

Tim Stone

Hooray!

Zypher

W00T

Tim Stone

I'm still on the phone.

mootinator

Yippee.

Rebecca Chernoff

11:53 PM

@TimStone, hang up!

mwuahaha

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff But we're talking about where to assign the time we spent on the phone in the time tracking system..

Super important! (I just copy whatever everyone else puts in)

Rebecca Chernoff

hahaha

Zypher

I surely don't miss time tracking systems

Tim Stone

And...done.

@Zypher We don't use them for payroll purposes, but since we're a small company it comes in handy for planning future development. I'm not entirely sure why it needs to be broken down so granularly, but that's why I'm not in charge of business things. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

4 more days! this feels weird!

Zypher

11:57 PM

@RebeccaChernoff WOOHOOOOOO

Tim Stone

Heheh, almost free! ;)

Zypher

the wierdest is always handing in your badge and equipment and walking out for the last time

Rebecca Chernoff

we're actually doing a farewell after work on the 21st. so it'll be across the street to the bar. hehe

Zypher