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1:51 AM
@animuson why?
 
@Shog9 There was a request for synonym to
It's rejected now
 
ah
 
 
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8:47 AM
hi
 
9:06 AM
@Pekka웃 How in the world does an article for boolean algebra come up in a search for 'bookrag'?
 
9:45 AM
In my opinion, the moderator should be that who knows everything, like what will be his responsibility and what's the rules of the site. And he will be honest to use them. So before the nomination or during the election there must be a test and who will perform best. He will be the moderators. What you things everyone?
 
 
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2:06 PM
well, the test already kind of exists - it's the candidate's past behaviour.
Which one can look at in the user profile.
The overall behaviour also reflects the candidate's suitability much better than any test IMO
So I don't think a test will make sense. Also, who would decide who performs "best"?
 
2:40 PM
I don't claim to know everything, does that disqualify me (disclaimer: my wife will tell you that I do claim to know everything, but she's misquoting me.)
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3:03 PM
@Shog9 are you there?
Why did you reopen this question: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/111256/155556 ?
It was very localized to that year's election.
 
Can I get some close votes on this question?
 
By that logic, everything tagged with status-* could probably be closed as too localized, though :/
 
Also, I'm a little bit suspicious of the upvote on that question.
 
Some of the highest voted questions on the site are fairly awful, so I don't think there's reason to be suspicious, per se.
 
@Wooble It was closed as localized. @Shog9 opened it on February 28th. Not sure why.
 
3:31 PM
Why is it that suggestions for building in supplemental links to place like jsFiddle are always responded to with "no, questions and answers must stand on their own", even when adding the supplemental links would not break that rule (ie - the code would still be in the content, regardless of the external link's functionality)?
 
Because the commenters didn't understand the suggestion? (The real question is how much money can SE get from jsFiddle for a prominent button.)
 
Hah, true re money
 
@Wooble Sure some of the highest voted questions are awful. But they are mostly pretty old. This question had an upvote within minutes of being posted (with very low views). Just makes me wonder if sock-puppet voting was in play.
 
You see a lot of that kind of behaviour on .
The most terrible questions get upvotes
 
I'm sure there are also people who just upvote anything they see with downvotes because downvotes are a fascist tool to oppress the downtrodden.
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3:51 PM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Because you flagged it
It's status-completed - the outcome of that FR lives on in each subsequent election's criteria. It is a part of the system's history.
 
4:18 PM
What does one do about a consistently bad post editor? (related to meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/142558/…)
I've now run several times into suggested edits by a certain user, all of which use the same message, most of which just add random formatting
 
@Hasturkun Not all that much to be honest.
That's why we have the review system. And it fails. :(
 
It's incredibly annoying, mostly adds noise (oh, and random italics)
 
What Bart said. This has been discussed extensively before, but there's really no community-implementable solution.
 
I've been seeing this for days now
 
At most you can leave a polite comment to one of the posts he edited (you can @reply an editor) and ask him not to format things as code when they are not actually code.
 
4:25 PM
Unfortunately, I doubt that would help any
 
But the real problem here is the failing of the reviews. After all, he gets the message that his edits are just fine. Which is not his fault.
 
Most of them don't fix any grammar, either.
 
It's annoying, I agree. But there is not a whole lot we can do besides rejecting it when we see it.
 
> primary voting begins: in 3 hours
at noon?
 
Seeing "grammer" in an edit summary always makes me cringe. Or, at a minimum, very nervous.
 
I'd been thinking of calling out some of the moderator candidates for bad Approve votes but thought it would make me look bad. :/
 
I'm pretty sure I've complained about that before, actually.
 
@jcolebrand your time zone may vary?
 
@PopularDemand that to me seems like as good a reason as any to reject
 
@jcolebrand at 20:00 UTC
 
4:27 PM
@Wooble that sounded so so so wrong.
 
@Wooble If it helps, Shog once said that he considers election discussions the sole place in the SE world where it's okay to talk about users' personal failings.
 
@RaghavSood oy, I rounded the wrong way eh?
 
May 14 '12 at 11:53, by Popular Demand
Pops-Perturbing Pedantic Problem of the Day: people who edit/suggest edits to "fix grammer" (and do about as good a job as the edit summary would, ah, suggest).
 
I'm still not sure whether Shog9 is trying to torpedo my nom by pointing out how I actually vote to close a lot more than the numbers show :)
 
I dunno. I took it to be 20:00 since nominations started on Feb 25th 20:00 UTC, and so 24 hour days would always end up at 20:00 UTC
 
4:30 PM
Jun 5 '12 at 15:27, by Shog9
Moderator elections are the one time where it's ok to straight up criticize another person on SO (vs something specific they've written). You've gotta expect it. Especially when there are other, earlier nominees with less reputation but a much longer or richer history of "moderation" (both meanings) on SO.
 
The title attributes for those times have the actual time (20:00); if you mouseover them you should probably see it.
 
@Wooble I didn't look at that part.
 
I'm trying to save a question which was closed:
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Q: How can I create Android Action Bar tabs of different widths / styles?

Ben BaggleyI am attempting to create an Android app that has a similar look and feel to the Pinterest and Trello Android apps. Both of these apps create what appears to be an "Action Bar" that has three tabs, with the middle tab being wider than the other two. Is there a setting an Action Bar configurati...

not sure if my editing is enough ideas for improvement
?
 
I only worry if it's a failed premise.
Can you duplicate those examples? Are those really android apps or are they web apps?
 
@jcolebrand from what I can tell they're Anroid apps, they don't "feel" like web views
 
4:37 PM
and a quick test on iOS shows that that isn't the mobile view
 
They're both native apps, but the "action bar" implementation isn't really an action bar
 
agreed
 
It's definitively unique to Android so it might be an action bar
 
wondering if they're radio buttons
styled to look like tabs
 
It'd be pretty easy to make tabs like that
 
4:38 PM
that's about the only way I can think to hack it out, but it's exactly that a hack
 
20-30 minutes work tops.
 
@RaghavSood you think so? w/ tabs? as I said I was thinking of having to go radio buttons and ghetto rig it
 
Assuming you don't want them to look good. It'd take longer for styling. But basic functionality shouldn't be too hard.
 
I kind of suck at Android UI though :(
 
@ahsteele Not with the ActionBar tabs. But you could make a custom tabbed implementation. But radio buttons would work too, I suppose.
 
4:40 PM
I don't know that all of the editing in the world can make it more than a Gimme Teh Designz question, tbh.
 
@Wooble yeah I kind of agree, but it's one of those questions
where people are going to land on by searching
and I think w/ a solution of yeah it's not an Action Bar but do X in combination w/ a reopened question
it could be saved (I agree the guy didn't try anything)
@RaghavSood a custom tab certainly feels better than a hacked up radio button ;)
 
I might give it a shot when my exams are over (20th March)
 
I'll see if I can't come up w/ something in the meantime...
I followed you on G+ I'll post a link to a gist if I come up w/ something workable
(I'm just playing around w/ an app)
@RaghavSood and btw good look w/ the moderator election
 
Thank you :D
 
There are 14 candidates in the election that I would be very happy to see elected; I regret that I have but three votes to give for my site
 
5:01 PM
@mmyers You should get three votes and three anti-votes
 
In the primary you can strategically vote up, vote down, or not vote. I intend to employ all three.
 
Hey, a @MichaelMrozek. Long time.
 
I'll be in here until I close the tab and forget about the room for another year or so
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Ugh.
Arguing with someone on the internet.
Apparently there isn't enough incentive to spam StackOverflow and that's why there's no spam on it, not the fact that the community moderates it.
 
Umm, that's why there's little incentive, though.
 
5:06 PM
@mmyers I was thinking about that, but was wondering if it was un-moderator-ly to vote tactically.
 
@Wooble Indeed.
 
I'm starting to come around to the idea that moderators should need to be 10k. Nothing talked me out of wanting to be an SO mod faster than seeing the 10k flag numbers at the top of the screen all the time
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@PopularDemand Maybe for a candidate, but I'll have to work with whoever gets elected so I'm pulling out all the stops
 
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A: Election: Strategic Mod Voting

Shog9Heck yeah! Why else would you down-vote? Odd numbers annoy you? You just like clicking things? Ok, those are good reasons too... But strategy is better. And my strategy is, "down-vote everyone I don't want to be a moderator". Don't forget: these are the primaries - the point is to whittle down ...

 
I'm counting on the fact that people who oppose me for downvoting too much don't believe in downvoting and thus won't downvote me.
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5:15 PM
@Wooble Many people oppose downvoting for philosophical reasons. Specifically, the philosophy of not losing a rep point just to indicate that an answer is bad.
 
@MichaelMrozek I would say that 10k isn't required, but strongly encouraged. I am, however, certain that if you're between 20k and 100k you probably will make a better contributor than moderator.
My experience says that most mods tend to contribute less after the diamond.
 
@jcolebrand You prefer candidates with 10k-20k or >100k? We kinda tried that >100k business before and it didn't work so well.
 
@mmyers I really prefer folks in the 10k-20k range who have a strong meta participation (over 7k)
 
None of the current mods were >100k when elected, just for the record
 
@jcolebrand I have 18k on SO and point 7k on meta. Does that work :P?
Seriously though, I'm going to be working on meta a lot more when my exams are over.
 
5:27 PM
@RaghavSood meh, it's a soul sucking labyrinth of ancient reasons to do stuff. I wouldn't stress over it.
 
I like reasons to do stuff. Doing stuff without reasons never appealed to me much
 
@Shog9 I flagged it for deletion not for reopening lol.
 
@Neal: Meddle not in the affairs of mods, for they are subtle and quick to anger.
> Do not meddle with cats for they are subtle and will piss on your keyboard
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Eh, you missed the boat on that one. Your request, however unpopular, is now the law of the land - so it stands.
 
@Shog9 eh? I am very confused.... Why would you reopen a localized post to 2 years ago?
 
5:33 PM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Because it shouldn't have been closed in the first place
(an action which, I should note, was also done at your request)
 
@Shog9 And why is that? It was even mod closed (so there we only two votes to close)
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Let's step back a moment: do you now believe that Yearling is a decent requirement for being a mod on SO?
 
@Shog9 No I do not.
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA So you stand by your FR?
 
Yes.
doesnt mean it was not localized.
 
5:36 PM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA And you recognize that Yearling is not a requirement for nominating as a mod on SO? That at this very moment anyone who meets the other requirements but has not been active on SO for a year yet can nominate themselves?
 
In other words, rather than being limited to a small window of time now months in the past, the post and its resolution actually describe both your current PoV and the current behavior of the system itself?
 
One would assume.
again that does not mean that the question shouldn't be closed.
 
What is the reason it should be closed then? The default state is open.
 
@mmyers Because it is localized to that one election. Yes elections now allow for users here user a year to nominate themselves, and I agree with it, but that question was localized to when it was not allowed.
 
5:40 PM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA you just admitted that, rather than being localized to one election, it is actually currently in effect. You are convicted by your own words. Drop it.
 
@Shog9 Oy. The question is localized to that election. If the questions asked "Why is the yearling badge a requirement for election?" then yes I would agree with you, but it isn't... whatever...
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA So, do you believe I should go ahead and reverse the status on this then:
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Q: Add Yearling back to the requirements for moderator

JNKAfter someone opened this question, a decision was made to open up moderator nominations to individuals who have not been members of the site for at least a year. WHY? What possible benefit does this have besides allowing marginally qualified people to enter the race and clutter it up? Do we r...

 
You can't have it both ways. Either the post is relevant to a situation or point in time that no longer has any bearing on anything in the present, or it's not Too Localized. IOW, so long as Yearling is not a requirement for moderator nominations on SO, the FR that led to that being the case is not TL.
Now, if you'd posted, "I suggest that the Yearling badge requirement apply only to elections in which I am not running for moderator with < 1yr on SO" then yes - that would be too localized.
That would probably also not have been implemented.
 
6:25 PM
He added some information about the db to his post ...
 
 
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7:28 PM
@TimStone Advance warning, this time!
 
I was one step ahead of you this time 'round!
 
Brown!
 
@TimStone Huh. Okay. That works, then.
 
Indeed.
I'll prep my digesting engines or...something.
 
It will be quite a trip.
 
7:33 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, start your digestion.
 
@GraceNote Wow, no kidding. Look at those candidates...I might have a tough time choosing this year.
 
Br0wn!
 
Barlow...I like your attitude.
 
haha
 
=)
What are you doing in this neck of the woods?
 
7:47 PM
I've been idling in the C# room for hours and haven't said anything today - so I thought I'd talk somewhere else I guess. =)
 
Haha, nice.
 
Actually, I was searching meta to see if something had already been discussed that I noticed today.
Spoiler Alert: It has.
 
gasp!
 
I know it's a shock. Try to compose yourself.
 
It appears that everything has been discussed before.
 
7:50 PM
Life, the universe, and everything.
 
"Sorry, we are no longer accepting questions on Meta Stack Overflow. Please utilize the search box to find everything you might have ever thought to ask. Thank you for stopping by!"
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7 minutes until all the last-second candidates post
 
waits in suspense
 
You want suspense? I can help with that
 
> "Nominations close just now."! "primary voting begins just now"!
What happened to "momentarily"?
Oh, I just had awesome timing, that's all:
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A: Use "just now" and "momentarily" appropriately, please

Jeff AtwoodI decided that times that are 1 second or less in the future will show up as you can foo the bar just now (e.g. the same as being <= 4 seconds in the past, to account for minor server clock skews.) times that are 2 to 4 seconds in the future will continue to show up as you can foo t...

 
8:02 PM
goes to assign orange up and down arrows
> Please cast your primary vote in the Stack Overflow 2013 community moderator election!
Too slow, StackExchange™ MultiCollider SuperDropdown™
 
For those too lazy to look: stackoverflow.com/election
 
Andrew Barber is already at 171. I move that we give him the win by acclamation and continue the election for only the remaining three slots.
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Seconded.
@PopularDemand You aren't doing badly either.
 
@PopularDemand People down voted you? UNACCEPTABLE. You'll teach them, once you become moderator. ...Err, I mean...
 
I'm honestly kind of surprised. I didn't think I had any name recognition, and my helpful flag count is fairly low.
 
8:15 PM
@Pop Well, don't expect the trend to hold, it's only meta that knows and supports you.
And meta is of course the fastest part to vote in the primaries.
 
Quite right.
 
@DanielFischer but hopefully that stimulates others to vote in a similar direction
 
True enough. I expect Gordon will be at or near the top by the end of the primary based on name recognition
 
For example, one of our merry brand of brothers here is not entirely known for his undying desire to serve ...
Yet he runs time and again.
 
@PopularDemand has the additional benefit of knowing how to properly use chat, since I vow to strike down anyone who doesn't do so in the Town Hall.
 
8:18 PM
@TimStone Hang on a sec... changing my campaign strategy to revolve around "knowing people in high critical places."
 
@PopularDemand I'm more likely to vote if you know people in low low places
 
@jcolebrand If you break into a Garth Brooks tune, I'll smite you
 
@mmyers I only alluded to it because so many of us have blue collar roots
I would hate for you to ruin my black tie affair.
 
@TimStone Not being able to edit posts in the SO THC is insufferable
 
upvotes for bluefeet if that's a thing
 
8:22 PM
Ugh, yeah. Where's my half-diamond when I need it?
 
I like to ask you, if you feel ok to have administrator without knowing all read information's about them (like age, real name etc), or what is your opinion on part-anonymous administrators.
 
At least the damn rate limiter can't bother me on MSO.
 
@TimStone △
@Aristos do you mean moderators from the election?
We care about merit, not personal information.
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Yes moderators...
 
23 secs ago, by jcolebrand
We care about merit, not personal information.
 
8:23 PM
I'd withdraw if I had to provide real personal information to run.
 
@PopularDemand why is that ?
 
Part-anonymous? Like, say, ThiefMaster? Or Bill the Lizard? Or BoltClock? Or NullUserException?
 
I just don't like for the whole world to know lots of things about me.
 
@PopularDemand I am not talk for lots of things, just the basic.
 
@mmyers Wait, are you telling me Bill isn't really a lizard? Or... his name isn't really Bill?!
 
8:26 PM
@PopularDemand Didn't you suspect anything when his gravatar was a gecko for two weeks?
 
With the Internet around, the basics are all you need to find the rest. At least, in many cases.
@mmyers I just thought he was playing along with
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A: Are rumors of a film true? I hope so by golly!

Popular DemandThe GEICO gecko as Bill the Lizard

Aug 7 '12 at 0:44, by Popular Demand
@TimYiJiang http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/apple-amazon-mat-honan-hacking/all/
(^ @Aristos)
 
@mmyers No, they have a lot of information's, I mean that many provide only a name and a location, or some not even the location, not the age of them, or false age.
@PopularDemand And you can see the Identity Thief - the movie for more fun :)
 
@Aristos You mean like how I have a name but no location or age?
 
What are you saying, @mmyers? I just assumed you were ageless and omnipresent
 
@Shog9 No, you're probably thinking of that floating-head guy, I forget his name
 
8:34 PM
Mrozek
 
@mmyers Yes like you. But actually I didn't know you, nether have see your profile before. Nether know if SO stuff know more info's about you, or what is your relationship - you seems to have prove that you are what you are - I mean the new one that ask them to trust them for moderators of us.
 
@Aristos Okay, just "watched" it. Not interested in doing a real-life remake.
 
Please I am not judge, or suggest anything - I just have that in my mine, and talk with you to see your opinion about. I am not say that I like or not like, anything is cool as it is, just have that on my mine !
And your opinion is something that helps me to think a bit about that...
 
@mmyers Aroooooooo.
 
8:40 PM
You know - some time an idea stack on the head, and needs some other point of view to move on :)
 
@Aristos Sure. The issue has probably been raised on Meta multiple times before (not going to dig through right now), but it turns out jcolebrand's right
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I require a programming environment that is visual. Perhaps something basic.
 
@mootinator Notepad
 
@mmyers Yes, in a part, the age of the moderator seems that bother many - from the comments on the fist phase. So maybe age is a part of the metric for some to vote.
 
8:46 PM
THE FOLLOWING POST IS NOT A CONDONEMENT OR CONDEMNMENT. YOU ARE NOT IN ANY WAY OBLIGATED TO APPRECIATE THE DETAILS OF THIS POST OR TO VOTE THE WAY I MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE VOTED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
$('.vote-count-post').remove();
$('.user-details').parent('td').remove();
$('.vt').closest('td').remove();
$('.post-text').remove();
Use that if you would like a reasonably quick version of my list for your own page
 
@PopularDemand This is may sound mysterious, but this actually happend at a part to me. One person that have the same name with me, register on the IRS one company, the nice young lady there that was bother of their life, is found me and connect me with their company - the town was 200km away. So bill from IRS starts to come to me :) Thanks god I solve it in a day - but I still be connected with that company with a comment from the IRS that they make mistake - but they did not erase me :)
 
9:05 PM
@jcolebrand You upvote too much, Pollyanna
 
"I have a webapi and her method:" - who knew API's had gender? I wonder if they are all female.
 
Only POST APIs are female
 
Ohhh.
Thank you, Shog, for enlightening me.
 
@jadarnel27 I can't reply to this because it'd be inappropriate, so I'll go back to doing work.
 
@Shog9 I know :-\
 
9:13 PM
is pretty curious about where @TimStone's mind went with that
 
@mmyers thank you for the kind words. I have done the needful
 
 
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Anonymous
11:30 PM
What does the "black mark" on a profile look like? I remember seeing a screenshot before, but can't find it.
 
For a suspension?
 
Anonymous
Yes, and any time a user is privately messaged by a moderator, I think. (That is my understanding and why I think I've had one on my profile, though I haven't seen it to confirm.)
 
It's a bright orange number next to the mod menu, near the "edit" button. Why?
 
Anonymous
Just curious and thought I remembered seeing a screenshot.
 
Anonymous
I was reminded by seeing Yannis' comment about how he was told off for giving one to Lix as a test.
 
11:37 PM
Rebecca is still an owner of the Town Hall Chat? :o
 
Oh no she's going to hijack it!
 
@animuson idk, when's the last time she chatted? :p
@PopularDemand in 3 hours and change he's just under 1000
 

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