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mootinator

12:00 AM

That's so two years ago (3 in QC, MB, and AB).

Nobody saw that

Shog9

@jcolebrand Good. Drunk Mario Kart is the best.

jcolebrand

Super Mario Kart. Don't let's get confused with Wii Mario Kart :p

jcolebrand

2:06 AM

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user200500

2:19 AM

When a question receives a close vote before being migrated to another site, does the close vote stay?

jcolebrand

No

user200500

K thanks

jadarnel27

4:32 AM

@JeremyBanks Well said.

@jcolebrand I'm probably just too far out of the context here, but I don't know what you were asking with this "well?"

@jcolebrand And really, I think Jeremy Banks covered what I wanted to say. You frequently antagonize or insult people while they appear to be trying to have a discussion (or argument, whichever) in good faith. It's just frustrating to see from the outside.

And I'm not saying you need to change anything, or that you should change anything based on feedback from a random stranger on the Internet. But if more than one person gives you the same type of feedback, maybe you should take a look and see what part you're playing in all this; how you are contributing to people thinking that you're unnecessarily rude.

Although if you consider yourself 15% troll, perhaps you're already aware of all this, and you simply don't care (or you enjoy antagonizing people who are legitimately trying to communicate with you).

mootinator

Paralyzers sound gross but they're delicious.

jadarnel27

IN CONCLUSION:

12 hours ago, by jadarnel27

I like rainbows.

mootinator

@jadarnel27 That's my favourite rhetorical device! You remembered!

jadarnel27

=)

That's why we're besties.

You don't know we're besties yet. But that's just because the hair I mailed you probably hasn't arrived.

jcolebrand

4:47 AM

@jadarnel27 I don't mind giving people a bit of shit when it about 85% of the time works out that they actually speak up properly.

As you've witnessed several times, I do actually want to help people that have more going on than "hurr durr"

mootinator

@jadarnel27 No blood? I wanted to be blood brothers ? !

jadarnel27

@mootinator The blood comes later.

jcolebrand

But it's sufficed me well enough over the years to refine a bit of asshole to weed out the trolls wasting my time

Yeah @mootinator at least give me time to get my claws out properly

mootinator

gets out the popcorn.

jcolebrand

nah, I'm watching skyfall and am about to go write a lengthy answer.

mootinator

4:50 AM

wonders how he ended up with a giant stash of Tim Stone brand popcorn.

jadarnel27

@jcolebrand I appreciate the idea of what you're saying there. But you have to be able to see how much that just sounds like you giving yourself an arbitrary license to be rude.

jcolebrand

But who else is going to give me such license?

mootinator

Ask Jeff Atwood maybe? [trololol]

jcolebrand

trololololol

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Q: What platform for a large record based mathematical database?

Hi I am a civil engineer with some experience of programming but I am not familiar with the vast range of options available today. Hope you could give me any pointers the best way to proceed. I want to make and query a database of ground level survey measurements in a grid format. There will be ...

jadarnel27

@jcolebrand This is exactly like what I mentioned above. I'm actually trying to have a conversation here. And you're being sarcastic.

mootinator

4:53 AM

@jcolebrand Thanks for reminding me to rent Skyfall.

jcolebrand

So, this Q isn't really suited to Database Administrators, but the Shog thinks it might do fair at Programmers if it's objectively answered. Offering now as fair game as I'm about to writeup an answer, in case anyone else wants to as well. (I haven't decided it's actually objectively answerable, but fairs fair)

@jadarnel27 no, that was actually a serious question

mootinator

Did I read that right? 4 hours and 20 minutes?

jcolebrand

You're saying "giving yourself an arbitrary license to be rude" but it's not like anyone else is going to

I have to take some liberties in life.

One is "be a dick to people who aren't trying".

jadarnel27

@jcolebrand Okay. I'm talking with you about how the rudeness is unnecessary when having a rational discussion. And I was pointing out that your statement that "I don't mind giving people a bit of shit when it about 85% of the time works out that they actually speak up properly" just sounds like an excuse to be rude no matter what.

We weren't discussing who "allows" the rudeness. I'm pointing out that I don't think the rudeness is needed at all - that it's actually actively unhelpful. I thought that was clear.

jcolebrand

Was I rude when enumerating how N Korea having a nuclear weapon is a bad thing? Was I rude when I was asking the young man for more specific details about the topics he brought up? Or was I rude when he was belligerent first and didn't want to talk about the realities of the topic?

@jadarnel27 oh, if that's the thesis, I have a rebuttal.

There are at least two occasions when rudeness works well: When telling trolls to piss off; when trying to get someone who's half-assing to focus on the topic at hand. Sometimes that works by being rude, sometimes it doesn't. I would guess without statistical references that it's 85% successful.

The troll part also works well to let the communities I moderate (such as on reddit, or Facebook) know that I'm not just idly tolerating the maliciousness, I just may not be present right away (signposts, like when we leave comments on SE sites).

The part about being rude or a dick to folks who are half-assing around and aren't getting to the point is more likely the part you're referring to as unnecessary.

But it works so suprisingly well for me, and doubly so in real life, that I have found it to be a useful technique.

jadarnel27

5:01 AM

@jcolebrand "ok smart guy who hasn't even finished his high school history classes" - this was the specific, rude comment I was talking about. And I don't see that the other guy was being belligerent at any point before that.

jcolebrand

Sometimes people waver between the two stances and rudeness outs the trolls in their response.

jadarnel27

@jcolebrand Yes, this is what I'm referring to. I don't see how Cole was "half-assing" anything. If it's the case that he's just not as knowledgeable about the topic as he thinks he is, then pointing him to the right answers is a much better way to deal with that.

jcolebrand

hang tight, refreshing my details of the specifics of the conversation. I've worked and read many blogs since 10am

jadarnel27

Being rude to people causes them to start to react emotionally, and that's not usually conducive to the discussion.

jcolebrand

12 hours ago, by Cole Johnson

@jcolebrand yes, they can cause WWIII, but the minute they launch an attack on an ally (China, Japan, etc.), people will protest until we enter. WWI was entered due to protests. WWII was entered due to protests against Hitler.

I refuted this, in two different ways

In both ways he told me I was wrong.

We didn't enter WWII because of "protests against Hitler"

mootinator

5:06 AM

I thought that had more to do with those people bombing that island that pro wrestler is from.

jcolebrand

We entered the war because we were bombed by Japan

mootinator

Oh good, I know my vague history.

jcolebrand

We landed troops on Normandy, but we spent far more time and sent far more troops into the Pacific

I asked for clarification on the topics he presented. I repeatedly stated my case.

jadarnel27

@jcolebrand Heh, I am in full agreement that the dude didn't have his history correct.

jcolebrand

I saw his behavior as belligerent. He had to be right. I was more concerned in the original topic about why it's bad for N Korea to have nukes.

That's the topic I want to discuss in Feb. 2013.

Not the topics of HS World History classes that will be discussed for this kid in a few years. And doubly so not to have him tell me that I'm wrong that N Korea is pissed at the US.

So, if you argument is that I'm sometimes a douche more than is reasonably sane, I buy that and don't have a rebuttal.

I'm not likely to change it.

I do appreciate you wanting to have my back and be all "jco, stfu"

IT's helpful to have outside observers to base my behavior on and make sure that I've got guidelines, even if I ignore them

jadarnel27

5:10 AM

@jcolebrand It's very easy to see someone else as being belligerent on the Internet. The advice I've always heard is that one should assume the best until they've conclusively proven otherwise.

jcolebrand

And if memory serves correctly (it's been rather a long day) you've shooed me out of the room once or twice for being a douche.

@jadarnel27 I do, generally speaking. But I also see a lot of trolls and misguided individuals. Some 3 times that kids age.

jadarnel27

@jcolebrand I would say that in general, this is my point, yes =)

jcolebrand

Had a grey-haired gentleman tell me about two weeks ago that the guys who run insurance companies and banks are all Democrats.

I told him he didn't understand who the party of less regulation and less government influence was.

jadarnel27

@jcolebrand Yeah, I've spoken up before when it seemed like you were antagonizing people excessively.

jcolebrand

face to face conversation

He eventually decided that I sounded like some "college educated boy" and that he "don't like talking politics in public anyways" when he was the one what brought it up

jadarnel27

5:13 AM

@jcolebrand Ah, I forget you live in the south too - and deeper than I. That type of response sounds familiar to me =)

jcolebrand

Way South

mootinator

Most uber rich folks are Democrats though.

jcolebrand

@mootinator ehhhh

Who was the guy behind Enron?

Lay?

Ley?

Pretty sure he's a solid Republican

mootinator

I'll have to find the evidence I'm thinking of to back that.

jcolebrand

oh shit, he died?

Yes, he was a solid Republican. Helped on Bush's campaign no less. I didn't realize he died during the trial. Guess he has nothing to impress my mind except the sucking up dollahs

mootinator

5:16 AM

@jcolebrand This is the trope that was going around awhile back: politicalvelcraft.org/2011/11/26/…

Though I'm sure there was a less sketchy looking/more recent one :D

jcolebrand

@mootinator yes, I was aware that the most super rich were generally Democrat.

Do you know why?

mootinator

Yes.

jcolebrand

Bill G. and Warren B. have both said repeatedly: I have too much money to use for myself, and I won't give it to my kids. They are aware of this and understand my position. I'm going to use this money to do better for the world.

However once you drop below that threshhold where other rich people go "eff that, I'll never be that rich" then you get to Republicans. All the way down to about ... $250k/yr income, give or take. That's where things start to slip and slide.

What's so funny is that most Republicans who make less than $200k/yr household are just Republican because that's how their friends vote and think. At least, that is highly so in my circle of acquaintances.

mootinator

That doesn't really explain why those people don't understand the fundamental difference between voluntary charity and taxation?

jcolebrand

Sure it does

mootinator

5:21 AM

Not really.

jcolebrand

They don't have enough money to see that the only difference is a name.

They have just enough money to be blinded by it.

mootinator

The only difference isn't a name.

Warren B. doesn't make extra tax payments.

Bill G. doesn't make extra tax payments.

They do what they want with their extra money in a way that makes them happy.

jcolebrand

If the world governments asked Bill G and Warren B for a slice of so much money to put towards humanitarian goals, and it was absolutely shown that the money was only spent on humanitarian ends, don't you think they would just as soon give it to groups that could do more than their own organizations could?

For example

When Bill G's foundation goes in to give shots, people are afraid of the vaccines.

mootinator

@jcolebrand By definition, that's not a government.

jcolebrand

If the people's own culture was doing it, perhaps (hard to tell isn't it?) the people would receive the shots better.

Shog9

5:23 AM

that's what they want you to think

mootinator

So much of the humanitarian aid sent to the rest of the world is skimmed by corrupt governments.

jcolebrand

@mootinator why not, we give to other countries for humanitarian goals bazinga

@mootinator I know. I cry over this. I cry evrytim

mootinator

The only way to guarantee anything gets done is to send your own people.

jcolebrand

@Shog9 Do you do nothing more than lurk and wait for me to post in chat and then come and read it all?

Am I your bathroom reading Shog?

Shog9

all of SE is my bathroom reading

jcolebrand

5:24 AM

@mootinator I see your point but fundamentally disagree.

they bought you a Windows Tablet?

Shog9

I really need a more comfortable toilet seat

perfect

yuck yuck yuck

except for the fax

hate those things

jcolebrand

5:25 AM

Yeah, that should really just be a rotisserie

mootinator

The way I see it, the government doesn't even put my mandatory pension plan into savings, why would they ever do anything they claim to with any money? :P

Shog9

I assume the minifridge is below the camera

jcolebrand

Seriously that picture is ridiculous

@mootinator whoa whoa whoa ... pension?

This sounds like a socialist organization

Who let you Canucks have your own government anyways?

Shog9

7

Survivalism and Preparedness

Proposed Q&A site for Survivalists, Preppers, those with questions on how to prepare to survive doomsday scenerios

Currently in definition.

jcolebrand

We need moar tar sands. #InvadeCanadia2013!

mootinator

5:26 AM

@jcolebrand They let us have it after the British burned your stupid whitehouse down :D

jcolebrand

SRSLY? Preppers.SE?

@mootinator lies.

slanderous libel.

We burnt it down and framed it on ... oh I see what you did there.

Almost had me too, but I'm too smart for you and your canuckian mind games

Shog9

damn right. If you aren't working on your hidden bunker w/ recycling toilet already, it's probably too late to bother.

mootinator

Is agorism off-topic?

jcolebrand

agorism?

TIL ...

Agorism

Agorism is a revolutionary libertarian political philosophy that advocates the goal of the bringing about of a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics, thus engaging in a manner with aspects of peaceful revolution. It was first proposed by libertarian philosopher Samuel Edward Konkin III in 1975. Ideology Agorists consider themselves market anarchists, while many even characterize it as a form of left-libertarianism. Agorists generally oppose voting for political candidates and political reform. Instead, agorists stress the impo...

Am I a Deistic Agorist or an Agoristic Deist?

I would take up wood working and tree felling and move to Canadia if I could truly live like that.

mootinator

I see the 20 richest as the statist capitalist types :P

jcolebrand

5:35 AM

I .. don't see some of those folks as statists so much as just really good at finding the right time to make deals.

In the "completely unrelated" department, I present the following:

Just blocked @perezhilton. What a scumbag.

Tweeted by willsmith on February 13, 2013 at 4:55 AM

RT @JeffHandley: If you are frustrated with the core #nuget team's processes, please read http://blog.nuget.org/20130211/workflow-changes-for-codeplex-issues.html and weigh in.

Tweeted by haacked on February 13, 2013 at 4:23 AM

Recent Top Stories: Untether Your 3-D Printer With a $35 Raspberry Pi http://oak.ctx.ly/r/2cid

Tweeted by wired on February 13, 2013 at 5:00 AM

mootinator

@jcolebrand That's not completely unrelated, celebrities are by-and-large excessively wealthy statists.

jcolebrand

We love the @girlscouts, but sometimes you just wanna make your own version of Girl Scout cookies http://bit.ly/hk2QQR

Tweeted by CHOW on February 13, 2013 at 5:09 AM

@mootinator that's not the black Will Smith

mootinator

Oh oops :D

I didn't know anybody else cared about Perez Hilton

jcolebrand

he actually looks like this:

@mootinator the problem is that Perez Hilton can't figure out that this cat isn't the black Will Smith.

Apparently reading is hard.

who knew

mootinator

@jcolebrand Ahhhh.

He should go by Bill Smith because his name was co-opted by a famous black dude.

jcolebrand

5:44 AM

ikr

effing famous black dudes

I love how many lurkers there are in the room

and here we sit having a perfectly cromulent conversation

Anyways, we'll give them room to chat without us flooding things. It's obviously time for bed. yawn

mootinator

My two year old is still running around.

I should theoretically do something about that.

jcolebrand

Do what I'm about to do to myself

give her bourbon

mootinator

Frying pan to the head?

Oh...

I would need bourbon for that.

I'd use a stereotypical liquid from my part of the continent that I do have some of, but maple syrup won't do it.

Beer might work. Sec.

jcolebrand

I mean, ya know, cranial shaping was like ok for the Choctaw

I think you would get in trouble for it, unless you're one of a handful of Native American tribes tho

> However, other tribes, including the Choctaw,[9] Chehalis, and Nooksack Indians, did practise head flattening by strapping the infant's head to a cradleboard.

Artificial cranial deformation

Artificial cranial deformation, head flattening, or head binding is a form of body alteration in which the skull of a human being is intentionally deformed. It is done by distorting the normal growth of a child's skull by applying force. Flat shapes, elongated ones (produced by binding between two pieces of wood), rounded ones (binding in cloth) and conical ones are among those chosen. It is typically carried out on an infant, as the skull is most pliable at this time. In a typical case, headbinding begins approximately a month after birth and continues for about six months. History Int...

mootinator

-_-

jcolebrand

5:49 AM

I ... may have read one or two tomes as a child that described things most folks have never heard of ...

HostileFork

@balpha Re: "You should join Stack Overflow, they have this newer, better IRC!" is the wrong pitch" -- fair enough. But chat is a lower entry point to participation. A newbie that begins by chatting can better be introduced to Q/A

One has to realize that StackOverflow has gotten to be enough of a "game" that newcomers might have trouble even finding an unanswered question that someone else hasn't snapped up. It's intimidating. If you haven't lately, try starting a new account from 1 rep and log your experience.

Then, watch someone else with 1 rep who doesn't know exactly which buttons to push go through the motions. It's trickier than you think.

jcolebrand

@HostileFork That's not a valid claim.

For a couple of reasons

First: a LOT of questions are dupes and low-hanging fruit.

HostileFork

@jcolebrand I can't claim that you can make a new account starting from 1 rep or watch a 1 rep user hit some barriers?

jcolebrand

Trust me, there's plenty of room for a decent programmer to clear 1k in a few months.

@HostileFork No, the claim that "all the easy answers are snapped up"

Second: if you're a good programmer, and learn the system, there's very few questions you can't stand a good chance of taking the checkmark.

It's all about delivery of the answer. If you write a good answer, you'll get rep. Especially if you outclass all the other answers.

How do you think I got 8k here, 10k on SO? And I don't even try (mostly cause I spend most of my time in chat and I'm a mod elsewhere on the SE)

HostileFork

@jcolebrand Look, I'm not arguing, but there's lots of systems and ideas out there. People have biases. I've seen people kick and scream about CVS, SVN, GitHub. "good programmers" using Git have one confusing experience and scream for what they had before.

jcolebrand

6:00 AM

Well, you are stating that it's impossible for anyone to gain rep on SE

I agree that it's tricky to learn the ins and outs of a 4 year old network and community.

HostileFork

@jcolebrand You're operating on the assumption that StackOverflow just sells itself to everyone, wherever, "just because".

jcolebrand

I will never suggest that anyone can just pick the flow of the community up in 30 minutes

I'm contesting "there are no easy answers to be provided anymore"

mootinator

I hate when people rescind their accepted answer and don't really elaborate on what they decided they now need instead :P

jcolebrand

I'm a moderator and spend so much time in chat precisely because the network can be hard to learn.

@mootinator neither I nor your daughter are in bed :p

HostileFork

@jcolebrand Well I try wherever I can to undo the psychological damage to first time users, and I'm especially sensitive to ESL problems.

jcolebrand

6:03 AM

Ahhh, now we get to another (previously unassumed) issue. ESL.

Seeing as how English is my first language, and the one I bastardize the least, and as how my German and Spanish are laughable to all but an Amerikan, I can't speak to the hazards of that, but I do my best to try and recognize when ESL/ELL situations arise and try to find simpler words/phrases and less idiomatic manner of speech.

HostileFork

Interesting success story by the way, a kid in India just wandered into our room and got infatuated with the language. He went off subtitling an hour long presentation because he said non-native speakers wouldn't be able to understand it: youtube.com/watch?v=JjPKj0_HBTY

jcolebrand

Congratulations for him.

mootinator

I like your language, I just don't have the patience to care at the moment.

HostileFork

Gave me warm fuzzies. If you don't know about it, there's a crowdsourcing captioning project that's getting some attention: Amara

jcolebrand

But so we're clear. The issue I took with your previous statement was "hard to find questions to answer that just anyone can answer"

There are two things there: Always new "easy" questions; good developers can explain a topic well.

HostileFork

6:06 AM

@mootinator Come back in a few months. We only got the source in December, and it came out in '98.

mootinator

:D

jcolebrand

So, not to be a total boor, but it is bedtime for bonzo (walk the dog first, etc)

mootinator

Ah

My daughter zonked out on the couch.

HostileFork

@jcolebrand Nite. But come talk to us in the Rebol room sometime. We have some Tupperware to sell you. I mean, we don't.

mootinator

That's how we do it now.

This seems like a loaded question for some reason:

0

Q: Have any studies shown that lowering standards for women have improved police/firefighter performance?

With recent talks about removing the restrictions for allowing women on the front lines of combat, the question has been raised if this will weaken the military. We already allow women to serve as police and firefighters while meeting lower physical standards. Have any studies shown a significan...

united-states inequality

HostileFork

6:08 AM

I ain't touching that one.

mootinator

A haven't kept up with that site enough to have a close vote.

Though a mod didn't zap it, so who knows what's acceptable there.

HostileFork

I took a course on "women's studies" and it wasn't what I thought it would be. (cut to Bart and Nelson after seeing "Naked Lunch" with fake IDs: "I can think of two things wrong with the title of that movie.") But anyway, taught by famed psychologist Sandra Bem. She talked a lot about "androcentrism" and that the argument that not fitting into firefighter gear was like suggesting that a planet of midgets would have all their houses burn down.

mootinator

@HostileFork Heh.

HostileFork

"How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?" => "That's not funny."

Meta-jokes are my favorite kind of joke.

"Knock knock?" => "Who’s there?" => "Unlimited union and corporate campaign contributions" => "Unlimited union and corporate campaign contributions who?" => "That’s the thing, I don’t think I should have to tell you" (S. Colbert)

mootinator

So a guy walks into a bar... ouch?

jadarnel27

6:23 AM

A snake walks into a bar.

HostileFork

You know why girls like Jesus? Because he's hung like this (spread arms). :-P

jadarnel27

Hahaha

HostileFork

People going to flag me now, I guess. Sigh.

"What's brown and sticky? => "A stick."

jadarnel27

"You know what's worse than finding a worm in your apple? The Holocaust."

HostileFork

@jadarnel27 Heh. A Jewish girl got very serious at a party I was at when someone told a Hitler joke and she goes "That is not funny. My grandfather died in WWII." and she looked very serious. Everyone kind of froze.

Then she said "Ja, he fell off da Vatchtower."

Humor is tricky. As a software engineer and super huge AI fan, I must wonder about how AI would "get" this stuff. Seems a bit of a stretch; so much assumption and context.

Kirk blew up a robot with "Define love" or something, IIRC.

So I did get the 10K points, haven't been really on the Q&A too often lately but I guess you just eventually cross the line. And now things come up like "that's the gayest thing I've ever heard". I'm not a fan of censorship, people should work out their own things. What's the policy shaping up to be?

I'm just saying "not sure" on that.

I would prefer rational discourse to censorship.

mootinator

6:40 AM

As I always say...

Nah, if I always said it I would at least remember what it was.

HostileFork

@mootinator That's gay.

This is a real issue.

mootinator

Retarded too.

HostileFork

@mootinator Obama got burned on that one. Next thing you know, Special Olympics is on the phone.

►

mootinator

@HostileFork Well, at least we can talk about hard science without an issue coming up.

HostileFork

But I want to know what the policy is here. I'm getting little notices of things and I just skip 'em. I don't feel this is where those issues should be resolved.

mootinator

6:45 AM

I have no idea

HostileFork

StackOverflow should not be Big Brother. People can chat in a room or they can leave. Ban someone but don't delete what they said as if they hadn't said it, because ears (eyes?) are so delicate.

I ignore language usage flags. If someone is spamming, they're spamming, but if you want to criticize a language feature by calling it "gay" then it's up to the room mods to say "hey, we don't tolerate that here." Not some invisible deux ex machina to delete it and pretend it wasn't said.

mootinator

Intolerance will not be tolerated!

HostileFork

@mootinator Every time I drove past the Museum of Tolerance in LA, I'd scream at whoever was in the car with me (or even if I was by myself) "AAHHH I EFFIN HATE THAT PLACE!"

@mootinator shel.smartercast.com/camel.html

mootinator

Oh jeez.

I have Star Trek: TNG on in the background.

Guess who reflexively changed windows when he heard a communicator pin.

Benjol

7:04 AM

Dearest meta-heads here assembled. What is the latest policy on crappy approval of crappy suggested edits? Report? Flag? Move along?

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/1510442

Benjol

7:16 AM

gngng, this is getting me down: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/1510518

HostileFork

@Benjol Smile and nod, I guess.

Watch for larger patterns of abuse.

Wikipedia:Edit warring

An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly each other's contributions, rather than trying to resolve the disagreement by discussion. Edit warring is unconstructive and creates animosity between editors, making it harder to reach a . Users who engage in edit wars risk being or even . Note that an editor who repeatedly restores his or her preferred version is edit warring, whether or not the edits were justifiable: it is no defence to say "but my edits were right, so it wasn't edit warring". There is a bright line known as the three-revert ru...

I don't pick a fight when people make aesthetic tweaks to my perfectly fine answers.

Because it's not worth the fight.

Benjol

Well here it's a case of people not going far enough

They add a tag, then leave the spelling and grammar mistakes intact. Fine, maybe they didn't know

but then 3 reviewers just click on Approve, apparently without even scanning

HostileFork

@Benjol This place has been going to the dogs, especially since I got 10K. If I can, anyone can. :-P

Benjol

@HostileFork, me too...

HostileFork

I have a history on wikipedia, and the thing I'll say is that StackOverflow is beginning to feel some of the pain.

Benjol

7:23 AM

It's a shame tag wikis don't have an improve option, check this out: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/1510543

HostileFork

@Benjol Very narrow definition of sprite.

(Grabs suspenders) "Why back in the day we had only 8 sprites in hardware..."

That would be css-sprite

Mistu4u

8:19 AM

Some users post programming questions in MSO out of misunderstanding. I have seen them being closed as Off-Topic. But are they migrated to SO?

Tim Yi Jiang

@Mistu4u They're not, because often the only reason why they're doing that is because they've been question banned on SO

Mistu4u

oooooooooo

Martijn Pieters

11:38 AM

Did someone add Meta links somewhere they shouldn't be added?

It's a veritable flood of off-topic questions atm.

Tim Stone

12:54 PM

@random has been assimilated. Welcome to the collective.

jadarnel27

2:31 PM

A nine column unique key makes me frown vehemently.

random

@TimStone It feels like IE 6 all over again. That settles it. No more upgrading from 12.00 now.

jadarnel27

This is probably because I haven't been around long enough, but I don't understand the connection between random and Opera.

Tim Stone

Would you accept that the connection is random?

jadarnel27

I kind of walked right into that one, so yes. I suppose so.

random

One of the old Opera holdouts.

jadarnel27

2:44 PM

Ah, so it's just known that you use that browser. I remember reading something on Meta about Jeff hating Opera.

random

He does indeed

But built-in you can use almost all of the site functions (including mod tools) without a mouse under Opera. The only problem is in chat. Some event triggers are caught differently

jadarnel27

Well that's pretty neat. I've only used Opera a few times (when I was doing web development for a marketing company, and the client required Opera support).

That Jeff guy is such a flippin' moderator, ya know?

random

Those damn moderators. They're the worst.

jadarnel27

Word.

List of songs about bicycles

This is a list of songs about bicycles or cycling. Bicycles became popular in the 19th century as the new designs of safety bicycle were practical for the general population, including women. By the end of that century, cycling was a fashion or fad which was reflected in the popular songs of the day. The most famous of these was Daisy Bell, inspired by the phrase "a bicycle made for two". The vogue for cycling songs continued into the Edwardian era and modern examples continue to appear in the 21st century. List * Bicycle Episode — J.M.Richards (1897) * The Bicycle Girl &mdash...

Surprisingly, I just found that (incredibly specific) page to be useful.

mootinator

3:26 PM

I want to ride my BICYCLE I want to ride my BIIIIKE.

nhahtdh

I want to find answers deleted by mod - how should I do it?

Asking on meta for this is a bit too localized, and I think the mod has better thing to do.

(And I am aware of the feature req to show deleted post to owner)

jcolebrand

@nhahtdh you can't specify "deleted by user:id" afaik.

@TimStone you lurking?

Hmm?

up x3

That's correct

3:29 PM

(I want to find my own answer deleted by mod)

jcolebrand

on what site?

nhahtdh

On SO

jcolebrand

What was the answer about?

do you remember something to help us find the topic?

jadarnel27

@mootinator I was actually looking for the Flobots song, "Handlebars" (but I am a fan of that Queen song).

jcolebrand

Maybe a tag on the question?

nhahtdh

3:33 PM

Nevermind if it takes trouble

Not really important anyway

I remember it being converted into comment, due to it not answering the question directly. And there is a long comment thread in my answer.

jcolebrand

It's not that it takes trouble it's that in order to ask a mod to find it, I need to give them specific information.

@nhahtdh this may be enough to go on.

nhahtdh

Actually, I'm just curious to see if any of my answers "evaporates".

BoltClock's a Unicorn

@nhahtdh Need help?

nhahtdh

(If you don't mind, then thanks)

BoltClock's a Unicorn

I don't think there's a search option that allows you to search only your mod-deleted posts - even then you can't really search for your own deleted posts, that's a mod-only thing

If I'm not wrong?

nhahtdh

3:40 PM

I think you are right

BoltClock's a Unicorn

Answer converted to comment, with comment thread... is this the one? stackoverflow.com/a/10694895/106224

nhahtdh

Yes, it is that one

BoltClock's a Unicorn

Alright :)

jadarnel27

4:09 PM

I've been on a "My Chemical Romance" kick lately.

Of course, I only have one of their old-ish albums.

So I'm just listening to that one over and over.

Although, frankly, I would listen to just about anything that drowned out the guy sitting behind me who is CONSTANTLY CLEARING HIS THROAT.

takes some deep breaths

jcolebrand

4:25 PM

Spotify man

jadarnel27

4:52 PM

Haven't used it. I generally don't like those streaming things (like Pandora and Songza) because I tend to want to listen to one band for a while, and then switch.

Doing that with those services requires far too much manual intervention on my part.

Hmmm. Though it appears Spotify lets you make playlists of specific songs / bands. So that would be better.

jadarnel27

5:59 PM

The last message was posted brown hours ago.

mootinator

6:28 PM

Brown brown brown...

animuson

6:41 PM

I always forget, do rejected migrations eventually get auto-deleted on the migration target site?

Shog9

7:32 PM

@animuson yeah

Pekka 웃

7:44 PM

There's a Shog in the house!

animuson

Please, please, please reject this: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/1515434

jadarnel27

8:00 PM

Who let the Shogs out?

animuson

I'm a bit lost on this one: stackoverflow.com/posts/14861891/revisions

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

8:41 PM

Hi hi

The Unhandled Exception

I love it when my computer and I have arguments about my existence in reality:

kyle:~ dfjosh$ su - josh
su: who are you?
kyle:~ dfjosh$ whoami
1029
kyle:~ dfjosh$ ssh localhost
You don't exist, go away!

@jadarnel27 looks like maybe you are actually "Real Josh"

jcolebrand

of course, you didn't try to log in as "sock" so of course it wouldn't work

There's even a whole Windows networking facility dedicated to you

WinSock

The Unhandled Exception

WHy didn't I think of that!?

jcolebrand

@animuson did you figure it out?

animuson

He eventually edited the code in.

jcolebrand

9:36 PM

sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130213132323.htm

jadarnel27

10:03 PM

@TheUnhandledException LOL, nice.

animuson

10:46 PM

They changed the popup! :o

jadarnel27

What the what

animuson

jcolebrand

@animuson and for errors too

Mooing Duck

If I'm helping a newb who asked a mod to close his question but now wants it reopened, do I discuss that here, or do I actually have to make a meta post? (context: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/23982/teaching-user1690130-perl and stackoverflow.com/questions/14741114/…)

jcolebrand

11:16 PM

@MooingDuck Generally this is sufficient

Can you give a little longer synopsis?

Mooing Duck

> i freaked out over all of the downovtes i was getting.
i thought i solved the problem.
so i asked the mod to close it for my points back.
i believe i flagged the post because it was getting bad/no attention and i solved it.

and now he wants it reopened, because he realized he didn't solve his issue.

jcolebrand

Might wanna pull your comment

@MooingDuck done

Mooing Duck

@jcolebrand thanks

Mooing Duck

11:33 PM

if anyone is wondering why I asked instead of sending him here, he's incredibly irritating, and has gotten himself banned from chat many times already. Figured I'd save him and everyone else the stress and to it myself.

jcolebrand

I really doubt anyone was particularly curious

Mooing Duck

probably

Anonymous

@MooingDuck Haha, good call. :P

Mooing Duck

@JeremyBanks I like the notification noise on meta. Though I think it might get to me after a while.

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