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12:14 AM
*No actual things were broken in the making of the preceding conversation.
 
ok both issues should be fixed on meta now
(1) extra breathing room when scrolling to the topmost error
and (2) the alignment issue tim pointed out
thanks guys
 
@Shog9 I left sometime in the intervening 120+/- seconds there
@Emmett @Shog9 another bug with validation:
self-answer validation: bad title (I used [closed]) kicks the Q and doesn't validate the A. using a good title and a bad answer validates the A. It should validate both, no?
aka: bad Q, bad A - validates only the Q.
Expected: validates both.
note that definition of "bad A" is "not an answer" aka it fails the "This post does not meet our quality standards." portion
Oh wow, I just broke it :D
@Emmett when you're around I can give a repro of an edge case that needs to be replicated.
 
12:48 AM
@Emmett I started the bugreport here, but there's a second part I couldn't demo but I could repro a couple times. youtu.be/Vy1ftZDNJqA the repro was to close the browser with that stuff "autosaved" and then repeat the process. The Answer disappears but still validates, after you check the box. ~~ Could be a Chrome oddity.
 
hey
youtube error
 
still uploading
it gives the link ahead of time
Try again
 
ok so, did you find 1 or 2 bugs?
 
I feel like 2, but the second is harder to repro, so harder to fix
18 mins ago, by jcolebrand
aka: bad Q, bad A - validates only the Q.
18 mins ago, by jcolebrand
Expected: validates both.
This one, however, seems easier to fix.
 
ok i'll take a look
 
12:51 AM
sure thing
 
i suspect that's how it always behaved, which doesn't mean it's correct
 
1:02 AM
@Emmett And that's fine, but I thought I would try and break things ;-)
 
i really appreciate it :)
 
1:35 AM
154 missed messages? The Tavern isn't usually that active. o.o Did I miss a party?
 
@animuson yes.
Someone opened a new keg
 
 
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4:09 AM
@mootinator This is acceptable.
 
 
3 hours later…
6:43 AM
Sometimes I can hair my hair my hair.
I'm in a foundry of sevens.
One can once to find a keyboard. Yes? YES?
Into the great slumber. The grate sumber.'
A television map.
*math
It is time....to sleep... zzz ... grumble grumble ...sevens...MY HAIR...hnhhh... zzz ...
...I can't...can't even remember my hair...
zzz...
 
 
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1:09 PM
What the h.
 
._.
Sorry.
 
I forgive you.
 
 
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3:21 PM
Anyone with 500 rep?
I have a problem now...
 
yes?
 
Can someone add a new tag "text-formatting" to meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/167266/edit
Oh, you again
 
that link results in an asp.net error page
 
Apparently not
@ColeJohnson "oh you again"???
 
ah.. was jsut temporary
is already a synonym for
 
3:23 PM
@ThiefMaster must have been a build
Everyone's heard about the N Korea nukes right? From yesterday
 
@jcolebrand you two were here when I asked for 500 rep before, but then said never mind
 
@ColeJohnson I am absolutely confused
 
@jcolebrand this
@jcolebrand now, what about the nukes? It's been known, but we don't do anything because they aren't threatening anyone, just being militaristic...
 
3:47 PM
@ColeJohnson wrong
Here's the thing
Pyongyang has often expressed upset with the US and claimed that they would willingly attack the US or any other allies of S Korea.
N Korea wants to have leverage to recover S Korea
At this point, even China is frustrated with the activities of Pyongyang, but we know that China and Pyongyang are in an uneasy truce right now, almost allies.
If Pyongyang has nuclear missiles that can reach the US, they can attempt to coerce us to give up our holdings in S Korea, thus making S Korea more accessible to invasion.
@ColeJohnson Also keep in mind that they can still terrorize international shipping waters (piracy or terrorism), Japan, China, Taiwan, and similar other local points. And if they load their nukes on a vessel, they can float them close to the US and launch them from there. It doesn't take much to wage war on a country with a coastline.
and apparently: "" "the test is aimed at coping with "the ferocious hostile act of the U.S." — a reference to what Pyongyang calls Washington's attempts to block its right to send satellites into space. ""
 
4:35 PM
I like rainbows.
4
 
@jadarnel27 you better not be a bronie
@jcolebrand yes, they can cause WWIII, but the minute they launch an attack on an ally (China, Japan, etc.), people will protest until we enter. WWI was entered due to protests. WWII was entered due to protests against Hitler.
 
@ColeJohnson you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how WWII happened.
We fought Japan because Japan bombed us. Then we attacked their civilian population on their homeland and they stopped fighting. We fought for several years to try and take their territory first.
 
@jcolebrand However, the minute they attack China, we will already be scrambling. Now, I'm not pro-Obama. I'm also not against his philosophy, but I am against his practices
 
We joined the European fight because our allies were being slaughtered.
wtf does the sitting US President have to do with someone launching attacks against us or our foreign power allies?
If a power in the world tries to attack another power with nuclear weapons, the rest of the world will retaliate.
 
@jcolebrand we fought Japan because we were bombed. Yes. I stated that we joined in because of our alliances and protests
 
4:40 PM
Generally led by the UN Peacekeeping forces, of which the US is the strongest component.
@ColeJohnson wrong wrong wrong
it has nothing to do with alliances.
 
The president has everything to do with it
 
Most of our involvement in WWII was either Normandy invasion or the Pacific.
We did not direct most of our fighting at Europe, it just happens that Europe was the most horrific scene.
 
"We joined the European fight because our allies were being slaughtered"
 
Most of the US fighting was in the Pacific theater.
 
Sounds like an alliance to me
 
4:42 PM
@ColeJohnson ok smart guy who hasn't even finished his high school history classes
How many US Soldiers died in Russia in WWII?
 
Yes. Correct. I'm not getting at Japan and Pearl Harbor. I don't care about that. I'm getting at D day
 
@ColeJohnson Which had nothing to do with nuclear strikes
Go back and re-read what the current utilization of US Troops in South Korea is, and how those guys train.
Go back and see that we have a contingent of US armed forces in South Korea who are prepared to fight off a land invasion, or are ready to perform a land invasion in South/North Korea
 
100 million+
We are prepared. I never doubted that
 
@jcolebrand - belittling someone for their age / education level (well, for anything, really) is not really a conductive way to participate in a discussion.
 
I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. If Pyongyang tries to use nuclear warheads on any target aside from underground, the rest of the world will retaliate.
@jadarnel27 belittling someone who is mid-education for trying to talk above their education is conducive to reminding them there's a reason they have to take those classes.
I never tried to argue with someone of Jon Skeets knowledgebase because I was a freshman in college and didn't understand set theory.
 
4:46 PM
I know. I never denied that.

No it's not. I'm in chemistry and understand everything in the textbook and some basic quantum physics
 
No, it's not. It creates hostility, and distracts from the argument. Refering to that relevant information without belittling them, on the other hand...
 
I'm in algebra ii and I understand some of Calculus
 
@ColeJohnson care to explain the significance of fiat currency then?
 
Define significance
 
without the aid of wikipedia
 
4:47 PM
Purpose or what it means?
 
@ColeJohnson why is the use of fiat currency encouraged over that of, say, a gold-based currency
 
Control, or the illusion of said.
 
Fiat is regulated while gold based is based on what the cost of gold is. Gold has the problem where its value can plummet, and unintentionally cause another depression
Fiat gives the illusion of control and that's what people without knowledge like. Not having to think
@mootinator O_o touché
Well? Not responding?
 
Say for example how the lack of regulation of the currency often leads to hyperinflation, which is what led to the downfall of the Weimar Republic, which occurred at the peak of the Great Depression in the US, thus contributing to a global depression. This also afforded the conservative Nazi party to take control in Germany.
 
That's what I said
 
4:51 PM
@ColeJohnson it definitely gives a measure of control
It's not the measure of control people want.
We can spin this off into a discussion of LIBOR, but that's beside the point
 
It gives control, but it can be abused. People don't think that far ahead usually, and as such don't see that consequence
 
The point is that yes, we assisted the British during Normandy, but we did not go to war there because of protests.
 
People do want inflation though.
 
@ColeJohnson you have to have a 50 year plan for fiat currency, not a 5 year plan. And ostensibly you have to make adjustments to that 50 year plan very gradually. We do not currently use such a system.
 
Protests weren't the only thing. What I am getting at is that it helps
 
4:53 PM
@mootinator I want inflation ... in my bank account and nobody elses.
Protests help?
I guess they finally caught Kony huh?
 
Yes they do?
 
I'm so glad they stopped fighting in Vietnam when people protested.
 
They raised awareness. It is up to the government to make that final decision
 
And that guy in Tiananmen Square did a great job repelling those tanks
There is no lack of awareness about N Korea and their missile tests. There was no lack of awareness about WWII.
 
@jcolebrand My point is think of it this way: If there's a 3% inflation rate and you give stupid people a 3% raise every year you can keep them happy. With deflation, when do you cut their pay without pissing them off?
 
4:54 PM
The governments forcefully quieted protests against WWI and Vietnam
 
There was a lack of awareness about Enron, the LIBOR situation, and the futile housing "bubble"
@ColeJohnson sorry, run that by me again?
@mootinator That's true. Or better is to inflate by 3% and not give them a raise?
 
When people demand answers, they write a petition. When they want to raise awareness so they can get enough people for a petition, they protest.
 
Yes "better" :P
 
<sarcasm>Why don't we get rid of the penny?</sarcasm>
 
Because you aren't awesome like Canada.
 
4:57 PM
Exactly. Inflation is inflation. It causes the removal of lesser currency. Remember the half cent? Of course to don't because we have inflation!
 
@mootinator I'm sorry, all I heard was a general sucking sound from your direction
@ColeJohnson I do recall the ha-penny, but I've never seen one (that I didn't cut myself) in circulation.
 
Ok troll.
 
Did you know that the penny is the only US currency you can deface without retribution?
 
I said remember as in remember using...
 
Back to the US Govt silencing protests about WWI
 
4:58 PM
@jcolebrand You're just jealous because Justin Bieber
 
@mootinator You're right. I'm jealous I can't hit him in the face. What is that hair? Seriously.
 
That's because it costs about 2 cents to MAKE a penny!
 
I'll buy the kid some gel and pay for the barber
@ColeJohnson back to the WWI and silencing of protests.
 
@jcolebrand I also think that, in general, there are more effective ways to point out someone's lack of knowledge about a particular topic than just referring to someone's age and assumed education level. Demonstrate their lack of knowledge by pointing out things they didn't know, or by arguing your own point. I'm sure there were things that you were "above your education level" on in high school. So that's not even a safe assumption to make about people.
 
This was your argument. Defend it.
 
4:59 PM
Your jelous you don't have as much fame as him
 
@ColeJohnson That's a red herring though, the point is they're reusable.
 
@jadarnel27 True, but I am contesting his knowledge, and have been since he told me that N Korea wouldn't do anything aggressively militaristic.
@mootinator if they were only good for one use, that would suck.
@ColeJohnson I have actually corrected him on a few topics and been right. I don't look to fame. I look to doing a good job professionally. And using correct grammar.
 
Yupyup
 
Contesting knowledge because of age is no different than preventing woman from voting because their woman
Or something like that...
 
@jcolebrand You're just like those horrible people on Next Great Baker (Season 3) last night.
 
5:02 PM
@ColeJohnson I didn't contest it because of age. I used age to point out to as part of the discussion that you have a long lag period that we are in advance of you on. We obviously know more, as we've had longer to study these things. It wasn't an insult per-se but a reminder that some folks in here are on a different playing field.
 
Correct grammar? "If they were" is incorrect as you have no sentance behind it providing the definition of "they". Context doesn't count.
 
2 mins ago, by Cole Johnson
Your jelous you don't have as much fame as him
 
@jcolebrand Right. I was just pointing out that your antagonistic approach wasn't a really great way to go about that. I just think it's incredibly unnecessary to insult people during a discussion. Then again, I've pointed things like this out to you before, and I don't really think you care what I have to say.
 
@jcolebrand I don't see any problems with that sentance.
 
@ColeJohnson specifically where did I use "if they were" out of context?
@jadarnel27 I do care, I'm just unlikely to change when someone tells me repeatedly I'm wrong.
 
5:03 PM
So you are saying that just because I started programming at 8 years old, just because I'm not at least 20, I'm inadequate
 
If I'm wrong I usually go sulk, because I tend to look things up pretty quickly.
 
I said context doesnt count
You said no looking up things...
 
I've not found any evidence yet this morning that the US censored protests regarding WWI, and have never heard that before.
@ColeJohnson No, I'm saying you have no right to dictate to us the influence of world-powers potentially waging nuclear war because you haven't properly been schooled in the historical and current nuclear crises, or the international relations of those countries.
 
Hell, even I don't know all the details about Pyongyang.
But I'm not going to have you tell me that there is a country out there building nuclear weapons that they don't want to use.
 
5:05 PM
In general, censorship in the United States, which involves the suppression of speech or other public communication, raises issues of freedom of speech, which is constitutionally protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. This freedom, though fundamental, has also been accompanied since its enshrinement with contest and controversy. For instance, restraints increased during periods of widespread anti-communist sentiment, as exemplified by the hearings of the House Committee on Un-American Activities. It is also legal to express certain forms of hate speech so ...
Oh look! It's cited!
 
They're not building deterrents. Those are what we have. They're building actively usable warheads with the announced desire to fight the US.
They feel threatened by us in every way, and we have denied them the right to aerospace to launch satellites into orbit.
 
Usage of they out of context... We are talking about money and WWI/WWII, not korea
 
@ColeJohnson please for the love of conversation, use the reply-to feature. I have no idea what you're on about.
6 mins ago, by jcolebrand
@mootinator if they were only good for one use, that would suck.
If you're still stuck on this, then you'll notice I also used the reply-to feature
 
And we have google earth for that. Sata lite images (from space, not air)
 
Thus I gave the usage context.
The context of the phrase gave meaning to they and showed that I was referring to plural objects (pennies) and therefore "were" was the appropriate conjugation.
Shall we try again?
8 mins ago, by jcolebrand
@ColeJohnson back to the WWI and silencing of protests.
 
5:08 PM
Q. What does censoring journalists have to do with protests.
 
Anonymous
@jadarnel27 You should probably give up. He seems particularly inspired lately.
 
Look, my phone is going to die soon, so I'm leaving
 
@JeremyBanks inspired? oO
 
hits the stop button on the microwave popcorn and pouts.
 
Anonymous
5:11 PM
@jcolebrand You seem to be arguing with people more often than in the past.
 
For the record: I engaged with him until he told me repeatedly I was wrong. I then pointed out that he's not yet completed high school, where such educational material used to be presented. In addition, I tried to understand his point of view by asking questions, as did mootinator, and he ignored our questions.
 
I blame global warming.
 
@JeremyBanks that's just because you haven't seen me as much in the past
 
I can be worse than Josh some days ;-)
 
Anonymous
5:13 PM
@jcolebrand That's probably true, since you were the owner of this room since before I was around. Let me restate that: you seem to be arguing with people more often than at any other point since I started lurking in this room.
 
When did you engage with me. You belittled me with my age. You doubted me repeatedly. I never said you were wrong. I said that your opinions weren't factually proven
 
@JeremyBanks oh, free time comes and goes, as does interest in the conversation
@ColeJohnson which opinions?
 
I've decided non sequitur is my favourite rhetorical device.
 
Rumors about korea
 
I thought your battery was dead?
Once again, which rumors?
I've got a rumor about N Korea: They've resorted to cannibalism due to a food shortage. That's not my rumor or opinion.
 
5:14 PM
It is. I'm at 1%
Goodbye troll
 
1 hour ago, by jcolebrand
Here's the thing
1 hour ago I listed what I know to be the situation about N Korea. Apparently most of that information is rumor and opinion.
And not based in any way on fact.
@jadarnel27 well?
 
Anonymous
You argue reasonably and I think I'd enjoy debating you if there were an appropriate subject, but I agree with @jadarnel27. You're often a dick. I concede that this is usually in response to somebody making a weak argument and so I sympathize a bit, but overall it feel unconstructive and annoying. You're like 5% troll.
 
I never said you were wrong. I just refused to accept you unfactually based rumors/opinions.
 
@JeremyBanks I would estimate more aggressively at like 15%, but you may be right. I also don't engage in topics I know nothing about. I also have this unerring capacity to make a question sound like an undeniable fact.
I don't know how to right that last one except for the inclusion of a question mark (or multiple) at the end showing that it is in point of fact not a statement.
 
Well, you'd be a great prosecuter for murder charge. Ever thought about that?
 
5:22 PM
But in the face of the comment "N Korea would never use their nukes" I can't just let that go. That's so full of fallacy and the announcer usually doesn't understand the global situation.
Especially when I just shared a link "N Korea tests nuclear bomb"
Had it been a random comment and not immediately after my link, I probably would've ignored it
 
@ColeJohnson I think you meant "sexual assault charge" murder charges generally rely on evidence.
Okay now I'm trolling.
 
@ColeJohnson Had I not gotten into software development I probably would've gone into either law or electrical work. I'm still not sure.
@mootinator ba ZING a
A classic prank ;-)
@mootinator So .. is Jodi Arias (sp?) innocent or guilty? And was her boyfriend a pedophile? And do you care?
 
Geez current events? I don't keep up with those...
 
Your false logos facts are just absurd. I'm not just referring to today...
 
The only reason I know is for some reason my TV turns on to HLN everytime I turn it on and there's usually Nancy Grace's face on the screen. Blech.
@ColeJohnson I .. what? You've lost me.
 
5:26 PM
@jcolebrand That's kinda weird, the only reason I didn't go into law is because my dad suggested I not do that. :P
 
@mootinator my family was all for it. Apparently I've been 5% +/- troll my entire life
I used to read the encyclopedia for fun. My dad still tells that story. I decided one day to start at A and just read through to Z. I skipped a few things like Zebra mating habits because when am I going to sub Saharan Africa to find zebras when they're mating.
 
Apparently being a criminal prosecutor is sufficiently stressful that you tell your kids to avoid the field.
 
@mootinator heh, the one I was encouraged to avoid was air traffic control
And my parents aren't ATC
 
Hah.
 
@mootinator is that why you ran for a legislative position?
 
5:29 PM
@jcolebrand I did that to make a point.
 
I believe ours was a 1994 World Book Encyclopedia collection. A handful of double volumes (like when you split S sections into S-Sh and Si-Sz or whatever)
@mootinator I've considered it. I hear the pay sucks. I like money.
 
5:43 PM
You read an encyclopedia from A-Z? I highly doubt that
 
It took a while, and as I mentioned I skipped a few things I deemed to be unreasonable, but yes.
I think the leathery texture of reptile eggs is neat in theory, but I'll never want to feel the slimy skin. I find the actual design of feathers to be most astounding, and the way they work is incredible. I was never much of one for the arts and humanities, but some of their essayists were remarkably brained individuals. Mostly political history was interesting, as were the physically based sciences.
@ColeJohnson I also attended the International Summer School on Grid Computing 2009 and was in the company of a great number of CERN researchers and students, and was given some very specific demonstrations on how the super-colliders work. I could probably easily get a guest pass and tour of the LHC if I were ever in the area.
I've got a few friends who are on campus even now.
I've done a lot more than a lot of people, but mostly I learned how to learn, and that made a big difference.
Apparently @JeremyBanks or @jadarnel27 would say I learned how to troll as well.
Ask me about pop-culture and I'm lost, however. That is one reason I never even contemplated "Who wants to be a millionaire" or Jeopardy even tho most of my friends and family kept pushing me to go, and even though I could answer every question before the folks on TV (in WWTBAM, Jeopardy I do about 40%)
 
6:10 PM
Dammit
I linked to an overlay.
 
haha
 
@mootinator that's only mildly funny
 
I was just seeing if you could get two pop culture references.
 
I don't understand why he's above the track moving what appears to be the end of a passenger liner with no coalbox since he seems to be a coal-based engine
 
 
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7:50 PM
By the way @MarcGravell, if you have any opportunity in the near future to take a look at this, it'd be appreciated.
 
8:11 PM
@TimStone Haha, I've never noticed your avatar on GitHub before. That is fantastic.
 
It's the one I use on my Careers profile too, heh.
 
Nice.
 
Tim Stone is always hiding his epicness.
 
@jcolebrand I'm not abandoning our convo, by the way. I'm just on mobile, and it's tough to reply directly to messages. As well as it just being tough to do a lot of typing.
 
user200500
8:34 PM
Is there an API that lets you open the answer form on pages where it is hidden (because of too many answers)?
 
user200500
Similar to clicking the "Answer this Question" link and clicking OK.
 
You mean a UserScript?
 
user200500
I'm writing the userscript, but I need a way to open the form. I was wondering if SE uses some sort of global object that has methods that can display the form (instead of having to do a bunch of DOM manipulation)
 
user200500
By "form" I mean the textarea.
 
Looking at the HTML, the post form is always there.
It's id is post-form. I believe the JavaScript just unhides it.
.dno { display: none }
 
8:41 PM
var conf = window.confirm; window.confirm = function() { return true; }; $("#show-editor-button input").click(); window.confirm = conf;
 
@jadarnel27 Bah, why are so many of you so often on mobile?
 
user200500
@balpha Thanks
 
you can also put $("#show-editor-button input").data("events").click[0].handler in the console to see what the click handler actually does
but just triggering the handler seems more future-proof
not that I understand why you need a userscript for all this :)
 
user200500
@balpha Just making a little userscript for this question
 
8:59 PM
Hey powers that be. Last time I recruited a non-SO user to try and convince them it's the bees knees, merely having 20 rep didn't get them allowed to chat. Explanation was "caching, it's always caching". Anyway, Henrik made the jump, joined up, has some upvotes, and is still mute...
As Andy Samberg might say: What was that?
 
@HostileFork It's always caching. Try it now...
 
@jcolebrand I don't know what you're talking about, there's only one of me ;-)
 
@jadarnel27 touchè
 
@Shog9 Thanks much, but I'm just...trying to do some recruiting to the "newer, better IRC" and people are hard to convince... this does present an activation barrier!
 
@HostileFork It helps to ask for a little help from some friends
 
9:06 PM
@jcolebrand Just ask John Lennon. Oh, you can't. He's dead.
 
...that was dark.
 
@HostileFork It will let him in eventually. You can always flag down a mod & ask for the profile to be refreshed, but there's no guarantee that'll be quicker.
 
The chat is also not a good reason to join Stack Overflow.
 
@balpha you lie
No seriously, I agree.
It's a neat toy.
 
Yeah, but "You should join Stack Overflow, they have this newer, better IRC!" is the wrong pitch
 
9:14 PM
That's like saying you should commit to a 5k because they have kool-aid
 
9:38 PM
Hi, is it possible to search within topics that i've started on SE sites ?
 
@rsk82 do you mean "one window to search all the sites"?
 
no, only the one I'm in in particular time
but I suppose it will work on all sites
 
@rsk82 the one I asked does not exist
To see the one for a specific site, I will demonstrate. One moment
 
They need a script to automatically remove white-space before a question mark in blocks of text (non-code).
 
@animuson I'ld vote for that. I don't know how easy the regex is to write. Maybe suggest a .NET non-code encapsulating whitespace remover before ?s ;-)
 
9:43 PM
@animuson I think it already does that in titles doesn't it?
 
I don't know. If it does it should do it in the body too. :P
 
I think , that may be overkill . Don't you ?
 
The side-by-side view makes this edit look more minor than it actually is.
 
@animuson Yeah, it does
Though only on the title displayed on the question, it seems.
 
@balpha if you're going to type like that, I want a full grammatical pre-parser. And reject anything not written to at least an 8th grade level.
 
9:48 PM
@balpha Psh, you clearly like breaking things with regex anyways.
 
I would have a boring job if I used the same tools for breaking stuff every day.
 
@rsk82 sorry, I got held up in trying to get you the right information
As an example, visit this page:
 
yea, I'm doing it right now
 
@rsk82 is that "thanks, this is what I need" or "let me go check that out"?
 
I knew about it.
yea, I'm doing it right now
strange timeout error here
 
10:25 PM
Mwuahaha 38383 reputation ^_^
 
10:40 PM
@animuson not anymore.
 
You fiend!
Hmmm, can someone upvote and unupvote this post (or the one below it) a few times? I wanna test something.
 
11:24 PM
Kids born when Super Mario Kart first came out can now legally purchase alcohol
 

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