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Mithoron

00:34

@M.A.R. Finally watched Goldeneye?

Journeyman Geek

00:48

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@AndreascondemnsIsrael apparently people can't write any more

besides, the proper response is just "k. TTYL"

Andreas condemns Israel

@JourneymanGeek Just leave them on read; the did-read-mark is enough to inform them you've taken note of their invitation.

Journeyman Geek

that seems impersonal

Andreas condemns Israel

Ah, yes, because AI-generated messages are so personal.

Journeyman Geek

k

Andreas condemns Israel

01:03

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V2Blast

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Spevacus

A whole HOUR? Of DOWNTIME? Unacceptable!

Journeyman Geek

02:44

I'm slightly surprised we don't have the RSS feed for that

(did we remove it?)

Spevacus

02:57

Might be time to add one, o' canine overlord of the Tavern

Journeyman Geek

03:29

Can probably gank MAB off the teacher's lounge. I'll see about that in a bit :D

though, I'm a little unsure about the canid themed names and avas here :D

Feeds

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Journeyman Geek

ah shoot

Feeds

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Journeyman Geek

@Spevacus I think renaming and setting avas needs a mod :D

Spevacus

When I'm home I'll mess with it. Unless someone beats me. :)

balpha

05:45

@JourneymanGeek well the work was going on, yeah, but this right here is still the old version

Journeyman Geek

ah

good, I'm not going senile :D

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tripleee

07:10

See charcoal-se.org for much more

@ShadowWizard for the record, we accept nominations from anyone who is willing to create a PR; there is a chat interface which requires room privileges but you seem to have them in this room, so you can use the !!/watch command and it will generate a PR on your behalf

Shadow Wizard

@tripleee ah, never realized this. Thanks!

But that specfic word probably better be left alone for now, unless we'll get a wave.

tripleee

yeah, agreed

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek feed for what?

Oh, in Tavern? We had, someone removed it at some point.

and... it was you. ;)

Jan 7 at 8:28, by Feeds

Journeyman Geek has stopped a feed from being posted into this room

Think when it posted broken oneboxes?

meh, don't really remember.

@AndreascondemnsIsrael no no, not the classic GenAI. Personal assistant that will serve coffee, talk with us when we're bored, and trained on the whole chat data from all SE servers. :-D

Journeyman Geek

07:27

@ShadowWizard naw

it was the blog (which is pointless) and the CM podcast (which well, died a death)

Shadow Wizard

ah

So feed for announcements? Don't think there was.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I'd rather have an API and let the community build what they need :D

VLAZ

@JourneymanGeek This is just crazy talk.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek sure, the BalphaGPT will have a decent API of its own. ;)

Just one tweak, it will unicornify any image it encounters.

!!/unicornify Spe

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard No such command 'unicornify'.

Shadow Wizard

07:35

:(

oh well

!!/tea Spe

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of mint tea for @Spe

Spevacus

Greetings from Frankfurt, Germany. Not to be confused with Frankfurt, Kentucky.

Tiny layover before home.

Shadow Wizard

@Spevacus from Greece to Germany, nice. Train?

VLAZ

@Spevacus May you enjoy many frankfurters!

M.A.R.

@Feeds A strong show of power, Feeds. I approve.

Spevacus

07:44

@VLAZ The line is too long sadly. Our plane has just begun boarding

Just a quick lil layover

VLAZ

@Spevacus I am pretty sure you're required by law to demand your money back if you've been to Frankfurt but have not had a frankfurter.

SPArcheon - on strike

Oct 19, 2022 at 14:34, by SPArcheon

Given the mess they had with the image posting bots in the past (and those were user-choosen pictures) I bet they will be enthusiast at the idea of a bot that generates pictures based on an user description.... right, @JNat?

@ShadowWizard mumble....

Shadow Wizard

08:00

@SPArcheon-onstrike sounds good! :D

SPArcheon - on strike

We could arrange for a ponyfied Shadow avatar, imgToimg

I won't take responsibility for the results though...

@ShadowWizard interested?

Shadow Wizard

08:33

@SPArcheon-onstrike sure!

SPArcheon - on strike

08:54

@JNat top left.

Journeyman Geek

09:26

@Spevacus I only know about this town cause of Justified

the US one, not the German one

Andreas condemns Israel

10:48

@ShadowWizard Ah, so the new Tesla robots. mhm, I wouldn’t want to fund Elon Musk, so that’d be out of question, too.

@Spevacus I mean… and that last time you mentioned names from Europe…

Shadow Wizard

11:11

@AndreascondemnsIsrael nope, not even that. Tesla doesn't have any interest in SE. I hope...

Tinkeringbell

@VLAZ Now I'm peckish. I want one. I'm going to get some later (canned).

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard The man is crazy, now he's started paying people to support and vote for Donald Trump. Disgusting.

Shadow Wizard

11:29

@AndreascondemnsIsrael yeah, saw it. But it won't make any difference: for each person that will be lured by that, other person will change his mind to be against Trump as result.

Or, more likely, he'll just give money to those already voting for Trump. :D

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard Nope, it won't really turn people against The Holy Saviour Donald Trump Major Clown who isn't against him already.

Shadow Wizard

Not millions, sure, but there are still few who can be changed, those are the people both candidates try to lure now.

Andreas condemns Israel

How can you even not be sure whom to vote for... One is awful (Kamala), and the other is a crazy maniac that will destroy the little they have left of freedom, peace and democracy (Donald).

I really don't want to live through another 4 years of Donald Trump on the world stage.

Tinkeringbell

@AndreascondemnsIsrael As long as he doesn't die in that time, he'll be there, one way or another.

I wouldn't let the existence of one person ruin yours that much ;)

tripleee

given how much the rest of the world depends on the US, we should have a say in which lunatic they are allowed to elect

Tinkeringbell

11:35

Oh, word! that's a plan XD

But does that mean Russia and China get a say too then?

Shadow Wizard

@tripleee we need some Aliens to conquer Earth, then we can unite. :-D

sending signal to outer space

VLAZ

@AndreascondemnsIsrael I wouldn't be voting for either. And in my defence, I don't reside in the USA.

Shadow Wizard

@VLAZ hehe, that's about my own situation here in Israel. I literally have nobody I can vote for. They're either too extreme, or too dull to be the leader I want.

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard Dull leaders are often good leaders.

Either way, a dull leader is better than a maniac leader.

VLAZ

@ShadowWizard "Vote Glorbbrax'th'ktcxh for world leader. Those who do will be spared when Eath is paved over for the galactic highway."

Andreas condemns Israel

11:41

@VLAZ In your defense, I don't think elections where you reside serve much of a point. ;)

tripleee

or like in the Hitchhiker trilogy where the Ruler of the Universe is apparently unaware that he is the Ruler of said Universe

VLAZ

@AndreascondemnsIsrael That's also true. It's been a while since I voted, as well. Eh, maybe next time.

Andreas condemns Israel

@tripleee So that's why peoples' prayers are never answered! We just need to make him aware of his powers so he can end all misery!

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael in times of peace, or without enemies trying to nuke you our of orbit, sure. :/

tripleee

@AndreascondemnsIsrael to be frank, I don't think he cares

Andreas condemns Israel

11:42

@VLAZ I heard on the news yesterday that his wife wants to run. You know, Navalnyja. Nevermind, that won't be allowed.

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael not sure, that's the problem.

Andreas condemns Israel

@tripleee I don't think he exists. mhm...

Shadow Wizard

@VLAZ :D

@tripleee isn't it a cat?

VLAZ

@AndreascondemnsIsrael Unless it's a Lovecraftian situation where Azathoth is the blind and dumb god (entity?) who created the universe...because that's just its dream. And if it ever wakes up the entire universe will disappear. In which case don't try to make it aware of anything.

tripleee

it's been a while since I read it but IIRC he has a cat, whose opinion is probably more meaningful than ours

Andreas condemns Israel

11:44

@ShadowWizard Nope, now is when it's needed. The only one that's really set on nuking anyone out of existence, is your current parliament.

Shadow Wizard

@tripleee yup! :D

@AndreascondemnsIsrael well they're surely going that way, but at some point we'll either run out of ammo or be stopped by force somehow, so the world will survive. ;)

Andreas condemns Israel

@VLAZ But our scientists have already predicted the date of his wakeup. Approximate, at least.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard sometimes dull is good

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael 6-8 minutes?

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard Germany and USA ain't letting you run out of ammo, or get stopped.

@ShadowWizard Any last words?

Shadow Wizard

11:46

@AndreascondemnsIsrael USA is trying, dunno about Germany.

Journeyman Geek

Also, I know @ShadowWizard is superchill, but condemning an entire nation seems a bit much @AndreascondemnsIsrael .-.

Andreas condemns Israel

@JourneymanGeek Nope. :)

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek well, it doesn't offend me personally, but guess some might be, and I'd let mods decide - not my call, or judgement.

Andreas condemns Israel

Don't give Israel special treatment. Nobody has made any [breakthrough] fuzz about all the condemnations of Russia, and Ciro's profile is still full on display.

Shadow Wizard

I think that the strict rules forbids calling to harm or ban specific people, or by e.g. race. But things like nations or companies... I do see quite a few of those for long time and they're not suspended.

Journeyman Geek

11:50

@AndreascondemnsIsrael Not for lack of trying

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael yeah, kind of my point. But that said, you're much more active/visible than him (in chat), so yours get more attention.

Journeyman Geek

I don't like Ciro's way of protesting either, but I can ask you nicely.

asking him nicely is an exercise in frustration

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek ah, you did?

Andreas condemns Israel

@JourneymanGeek Sorry, it wouldn't sit right with me. It's the only way I can personally manage to make a protest at this moment.

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael avatar? About Me?

Journeyman Geek

11:51

I retain the right to say I told you so if this escalates, and will leave it at that.

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard Well, there is at least one MSO post about his profile. ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard that's always the first step

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard I've already had it in my profile description for over a year. Avatar ain't happening, and that's no different anyway.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek well, so you did try, and did your best. :)

@AndreascondemnsIsrael very different, as here in chat you force anyone who want to reply to you to write your message.

I'm fine with it, but others might either refrain from replying, or try to escalate to mods.

Journeyman Geek

@AndreascondemnsIsrael MSE actually

Shadow Wizard

11:54

Ah, and the new Excel report is calling me... need to finish it soon...

Journeyman Geek

more than one

Andreas condemns Israel

I read a Times Of Israel article from last year, yesterday, and it was worthy of a note how they specifically called every critique of Israel "anti-Israel". So the specific words used to protest don't matter anyway, because it's all interpreted the same way.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard ah, you poor damned soul

Shadow Wizard

No actual Excel involved, it's all generated with node.js code. Old and shiny.

Journeyman Geek

The Good Place: "Ok, but that's worse. You do get how that's worse, right?"

►

Andreas condemns Israel

11:57

@ShadowWizard Honestly, job accomplished, I'd say. I've held off for over a year to not offend or cause disruption in here. But a year of genocide has passed, and if people are still offended by me condemning that, it's their problem, and they really ought to give it a long and deep thought.

@ShadowWizard Great, a combination of 3 things that really don't mix well.

@JourneymanGeek 15 seconds ad to watch a 4 seconds video.

Journeyman Geek

ow

I have adblock, I didn't realise

Andreas condemns Israel

And people wonder why YT gets adblocked...

I mean, people at Google, I guess.

VLAZ

I don't think they wonder. They just don't want it happening.

Andreas condemns Israel

Ah. like when the Republicans demand access to peoples' medical reports from other states.

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael well, that's what I have so far:

var xlsx = require('node-xlsx');
var rawXlsx = require('xlsx');

var VERSION = 1.0;


module.exports = {

};

Wish me luck! :D

Andreas condemns Israel

12:03

D;>

Feeding @Sha waffles with ice cream, banana and chocolate sauce

You need it.

Shadow Wizard

becoming Fat Shadow and falls off the chair

Andreas condemns Israel

Well, better than writing that!

Shadow Wizard

lol

Actually, today is the last day in this week....

@AndreascondemnsIsrael perhaps they're looking who needs Viagra, being the kind souls they are? :P

runs away

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard It all goes to shit that early?

@ShadowWizard Sign everyone up.

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael holiday

Sukkot

Sukkot, also known as the Feast of Tabernacles or Feast of Booths, is a Torah-commanded holiday celebrated for seven days, beginning on the 15th day of the month of Tishrei. It is one of the Three Pilgrimage Festivals on which Israelites were commanded to make a pilgrimage to the Temple in Jerusalem. Biblically an autumn harvest festival and a commemoration of the Exodus from Egypt, Sukkot’s modern observance is characterized by festive meals in a sukkah, a temporary wood-covered hut. The names used in the Torah are "Festival of Ingathering" (or "Harvest Festival", Hebrew: חַג הָאָסִיף, romanized...

status-not-enough-pills

Andreas condemns Israel

12:09

@ShadowWizard Let me try to introduce that here.

@ShadowWizard Fine, I'll skip.

SPArcheon - on strike

@VLAZ Right at the start of the first book, hidden in the intro, there is a small passage about a girl in a cafe.

> And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small café in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything.

many think that line is a proof that the original intended "question" was something about happiness and then the "42" either is a plot retcon or an in-universe retcon due to the "can't know the question and the answer at the same time" law.

Either way, there is a silly side notice....

Shadow Wizard

@SPArcheon-onstrike lovely

Elements In Space

12:53

@ShadowWizard k

Shadow Wizard

@ElementsInSpace this message is not a Smokey report

;)

Elements In Space

@ShadowWizard k

Shadow Wizard

:D

Elements In Space

I was hoping the message would have come in a minute or two sooner, so I could edit to make my reply into the future.

Shadow Wizard

lol

You can guess

Elements In Space

13:04

@ShadowWizard !

Shadow Wizard

:9974096 like this

and...

hmm...

Elements In Space

…

Shadow Wizard

hah dang

It's doing it when submitting.

So can't predict future. :(

Journeyman Geek

If you could You'd be buying lottery tickets :D

Shadow Wizard

@ElementsInSpace editing is cheating! That's why we can't edit in e.g. Twitter. ;)

(I think?)

VLAZ

13:20

Yes, Twitter, well-known for its source of truth and lack of cheating.

Mithoron

13:33

@JourneymanGeek Looks like someone recently watched The Good Place :)

Marco

@ShadowWizard Why not?

SPArcheon - on strike

@JourneymanGeek To have an actual chance to win he is better hoping for a visit from his future nephew that wants to give him a sport almanac.

M.A.R.

13:49

@Mithoron actually, I watched the Shaun the Sheep movie.

Journeyman Geek

naw, just familiar with the memes

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek you can do both, they're not mutually exclusive

Mithoron

@JourneymanGeek Then you should totally do it!

@M.A.R. Nice

M.A.R.

@Mithoron also watching Veep

Double nice

@Sha question, how taboo is eating pork in Israel? I mean, maybe I'm actually asking how religious Israeli people are in general. But mostly interested about pork.

Mithoron

@M.A.R. Eh, I hate politics. Even best satire in the world wouldn't offset it for me, I'm afraid.

M.A.R.

13:54

@Mithoron understandable. The only thing I know for sure about politics is if it's not depressing, someone is manipulating me.

With Veep I can laugh at the jokes and not think too deeply about what's being satirized.

Half of them are about Jonah anyway, not politics.

Mithoron

Huh

M.A.R.

14:15

😣

Marco

@M.A.R. Please make it.

M.A.R.

But I'm not very shuffling either

Marco

haha

Laurel

Feels kinda ironic that after the OG accepted answer here (meta.stackexchange.com/q/403754/323179) was DV'd to hell and deleted for saying it's ok to share accounts that the question would be closed as a duplicate with an accepted answer that says "what's wrong with sharing and why not also give them rep too?"

M.A.R.

@Laurel it's the wild west out here. You can even see the tire marks where the meta truck has run over the question

I nave no idea why the post would be downvoted that much. The bandwagon effect is sometimes too strong.

I also dunno how several users using the same account would be abuse, though it can of course be problematic

Tinkeringbell

14:27

@M.A.R. It isn't abuse until it is abused. Lot of moderation relies on only 1 user per account (and preferably only 1 account per user too :P)

So just better to have a rule that says no, and not wait until it becomes a problem ;)

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. Primarily, against the TOS

and you have the reverse sock situation

if one of the owners is acting in bad faith, whose fault is it?

M.A.R.

What the heck would a reverse sock look like?

In my part of the world, we only ever wear socks properly

Journeyman Geek

Presumably its INSIDE your foot

and quite uncomfortable

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek of course if they said "it was not me, but my evil twin brother" it wouldn't hold up in court. But that just means if a bunch of people use the same account, they have some responsibilities towards each other so they don't all get in trouble

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. But practically no one ever takes responsibility for that

M.A.R.

14:33

No I mean IRL

Look, man. What if there are parts of Africa where you can't find enough emails for everyone? But you as a man of privilege wouldn't understand

Journeyman Geek

M.A.R.

What if America starts sanctioning Iran so heavily that people start fighting on the streets for a piece of email?

Andreas condemns Israel

@M.A.R. Engelbert?

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. Well RISE UP!, you have nothing to lose but your chainmails.

Laurel

@M.A.R. It's probably because OP accepted the wrong answer and then left the site for the day (compounded by the wording in the question). That's also why mine is voted so high

But how can everyone care so much to vote like that but close it as a duplicate with that ancient answer?

M.A.R.

14:39

@Laurel oh? Why don't you say so. Yeah that'd do it. If people could will accepted answers they don't like out of existence, they would.

@Laurel it's Pavlovian behavior

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. that rings a bell

M.A.R.

> Learned is the size of the palm of your hand, the stoneless is the size of the world.

From OP's profile

Google Translate is killing it today

Journeyman Geek

.....

Its a really bad translation

Elements In Space

@JourneymanGeek Oh dear. I forgot to feed the dogs.

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek you're baking up the wrong tree

Journeyman Geek

14:45

"What you have learnt is a handful of sand, what you have not learnt is the size of the world"

M.A.R.

And their avatar is AI-generated.

Journeyman Geek

the word for learning is kalvi, the word for stone is kal. that which is unlearnt is "kalathathu"

M.A.R.

ONE THOUSAND YEARS DUNGEON

Journeyman Geek

You're really macerating your metaphors today

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek I'm all bake and no bite

Journeyman Geek

14:49

you're at a bakesale with a tray of celery?

M.A.R.

Nothing dentured nothing gained

Journeyman Geek

15:03

a tooth in a mouth is worth one in the hand

Shadow Wizard

20:07

@Marco because the chat doesn't render the replied-to id in real time, only upon submission, so if the chat message you try to reply to doesn't exist, it will be just a number.

@M.A.R. ah, good question, and the answer is "depends where in Israel", and then "who exactly". Some people eat pork without any problem, and some would rather die than eat pork - we have all kinds of those here.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Hey, that sounds just like over here!

Shadow Wizard

There is no state law forbidding to sell pork, so we have it in markets, though of course they're non-Kosher and thus religious people won't buy there. But they still have enough buyers.

@Tinkeringbell yeah, luckily Israel is rather "free" - for now. But over time it's changing for the worse.

@M.A.R. and since it's also forbidden in Islam, and Iran is, eh, more strict... guess no pork at all in your place?

Personally I don't eat it, but due to respect to the religion, not being actually religious.

That's something I learned from my grandfather.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Again, same!

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell Europe changing for the worse, religion-wise?

Tinkeringbell

We can already no longer buy cheap chicken and there are much less sales on other meats as well, because there's an "animal party"

Shadow Wizard

20:14

you mean the Muslim immigrants who keep coming, hence naturally the population becomes more religious?

Tinkeringbell

And general lobbying from other pro-life groups.

Noooooo

Havermelkelite.

Shadow Wizard

Hever what?

Tinkeringbell

Not refugees or religion though the havermelkelite lifestyle can be somewhat religious

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell ahh, this.

"Let The Animals Live" and such?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard "Oat milk elite". Basically, those people with enough money to live in the big cities, and buy plant-based crap ;)

@ShadowWizard Yup.

And really, most immigrants (not counting expats with their tax benefits, but low wage migrant workers don't get those so they count as most) don't have the money for those shenanigans

Shadow Wizard

20:20

@Tinkeringbell yeah, I was referring to religion, which is a totally different side of it.

Tinkeringbell

I got that, but it's still the same kinds of people and opinions even without religion ;)

And the same depressing spiral down the road of "nothing is allowed anymore" ;)

Just motivated differently, but that's probably because doing it for religion's sake just wouldn't get these people what they want here ;)

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell yup, agree on that.

Spevacus

20:48

Greetings from Washington DC! Not to be confused with... Hm.

I'll get back to you on that.

Andreas condemns Israel

Washington?

Shadow Wizard

@Spevacus Washington Island

Teraina

Teraina (written also Teeraina, also known as Washington Island – these two names are constitutional) is a coral atoll in the central Pacific Ocean and part of the Northern Line Islands which belong to Kiribati. Obsolete names of Teraina are New Marquesas, Prospect Island, and New York Island. The island is located approximately 4.71° North latitude and 160.76° West longitude. Teraina differs from most other atolls in the world in that it has a large freshwater lake (Washington Lake), an open lens, concealed within its luxuriant coconut palm forest; this is the only permanent freshwater lake in...

So that's it? Honeymoon already over?

Unless you started weeks ago, it was Honeyweek, not moon. ;)

Or... Honeyquick? :D

Spevacus

@ShadowWizard We left originally on the 9th. So honey-couple-weeks :)

Shadow Wizard

ah, so that is fine. I approve.

;)

We had 3 weeks.

All in Canada, which is a big place. :)

@Spe so you can tell your wife you have approval from Shadow, I'm sure she'll be thrilled. :-P

Andreas condemns Israel

21:15

@ShadowWizard Whose shadow?

Mithical

@Spevacus Enjoy! Lots of stuff to do there, hard to get it all in in one trip

I spent four days running around DC recently, got a lot of it in but it was rather intense

Starship

Unless I'm seriously wrong here, meta.stackexchange.com/q/403781/1142965 deserves a place of the list of SE's worst ideas

Andreas condemns Israel

21:43

I don't see the problem.

Starship

@AndreascondemnsIsrael are you serious

@AndreascondemnsIsrael What is not a problem about SE using AI to robo-review, generate terrible and false posts against policy, and flag post at what I would imagine would be quite terrible accuracy

Andreas condemns Israel

@Starship Doesn't SD use some ML? Anyway, it's not an ill-suited means to handle it. At the same time, SO has surfaced pretty terrible ideas for ways to employ AI for curation, such as... ehm, using generative AI, which... is just the wrong tool in every way imaginable.

The most concerning parts are that it was mentioned on the blog, and that the blog post is probably the "CEO" one in the sidebar that I can't be bothered opening. I don't really care anymore.

That reminds me, I have some stuff to reply to elsewhere.

Starship

22:00

@AndreascondemnsIsrael No Smokey doesn't. As far as I know smokey just uses Regex.

@AndreascondemnsIsrael Also you might note that Smokey flags based of actual probabalties from 8 years of looking at actual spam posts, like 275k of them. An AI is just trying to predict the next character and doesn't know what its doing.

@AndreascondemnsIsrael Also what part of "using Generative AI to curate questions" is not a way "to employ AI for curation, such as... ehm, using generative AI, which... is just the wrong tools in every way imagineable."

@AndreascondemnsIsrael I would also be interested to see why robo-reviewing is literally ever a good idea

@AndreascondemnsIsrael Oh, and now that I think of it, what about the inevitable scenarios where it flags something and then robo-reviews it, ie. auto nuking

JNat

@SPArcheon-onstrike Hotaru and Chibiusa, cute ^_^

Marco

@ShadowWizard Ok, I was referring to you saying that you can't predict, I was kidding, I would say that you could try to use machine learning to predict it.

Starship

@AndreascondemnsIsrael One last thing to note about Smokey. It's use of autoflags was approve dby the ocmmunity after 3 years of detecting spam without autoflags. It wasn't sprung upon the community hidden in infrequency viewed blog posts

Marco

22:21

@AndreascondemnsIsrael What does your profile picture mean?

M.A.R.

23:46

@ShadowWizard no pork, yeah. The loons have been in charge here for a long time.

But I see over at your neighborhood they're making a conscious effort to catch up

@ShadowWizard I'm trying to figure out that, on a spectrum of religiosity, how close Israel is to the 'Netherlands' end and how close to Myanmar end.

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