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01:24
hm
Another bit of ambiguity I'm not happy with
 
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02:52
Hello, consumer.
Oh it gets funnier
That's the confirmation email
and yes, the censored bit on the first part is my full, unobfuscated name, as given, which is obfuscated partially on the body
I'm using aibo in case something goes wrong
Didn't know you're so xxx
Amusingly they outsourced that so I'm not going to blame SE for the design
Its just clearly not designed for usability nor documented in any real usable way
Blame SE, they chose to outsource it, and chose to go with it once they saw it.
@JourneymanGeek That was probably part of the mission. ;)
Anyway, didn't know SE outsourced that?
Oh, OneTrust.
03:47
yup
 
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07:46
@JourneymanGeek I mean, the Fluttershy tone has been exhausted on the last three unanswered questions.
@JourneymanGeek does my memory serve me right? Was OneTrust the company that was criticized because their cookie consent management product didn't actually fulfill the intent behind the current normative since it was ovecomplicated, obfuscated and generally not clear enough?
That would explain A LOT
honestly, I don't remember
It is a terrible UI and worse than the one mentioned before
I'm waiting on my request to be processed and then posting a walkthrough of what I did
well technically I posted a partial one then deleted it but ehhhh :D
@JourneymanGeek I can ask @Tinkeringbell to hard delete it since it (partially) contains PII... so you will have to rewrite it from scratch later. :P
oh its properly censored, and its the same screenshots I posted here
I don't just hard delete things simply because they contain PII
If you're dumb enough to post that...
redactions are a pain in the ass :D
07:56
You live with the consequences, if it's up to me :P
Especially if it's Geek.
yup
I have no excuses :D
@Tinkeringbell Isn't making @JourneymanGeek write all the post again a good enough reason tough? The PII disclosure incident is just the pretense.
technically those screenshots are here too
@JourneymanGeek I am not that evil. I want you to be able to post that... just have to do a little more work in the process.
process of getting information on SE's GDPR... colourised.
08:16
@SPArcheon-onstrike Not if it requires me to waste time first.
btw, someone on Law pointed out a quite interesting thing..
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A: Is SE allowed to redistribute user content with a license other than CC BY-SA?

Dale MYou give SE 2 licences The CC-BY-SA one and the one that goes “the perpetual and irrevocable right and license to access, use, process, copy, distribute, export, display and to commercially exploit such Subscriber Content … as reasonably necessary to, for example (without limitation):”. SE can ch...

> Even though the enumerated cases are “without limitation”, they indicate the general area where the 2nd licence would be “reasonably necessary”. If SE used it outside that domain and did not comply with CC-BY-SA they would arguably be in copyright violation.
 
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09:35
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact your wallet is in danger.
only 410$, releases November 2025....
10:25
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12:28
Given that two new duplicates have been posted this month on MSE alone, can this be reopened? meta.stackexchange.com/q/399904/323179
@JourneymanGeek why? Isn't it just something that needs two mods?
@Laurel voted, feel free to add yours.
That's why I don't like closing questions with this reason when it should just get tag.
This reason is misused in 90% of the cases.
Should be used only when the reason that it can't be reproduced is changes to the system. Not when something was fixed, or when users just aren't able to reproduce.
As I suggested long ago, would love to just see this close reason go away.
When I'll collect enough examples as the one above I'll post a feature request, but... not sure when it will happen. :D
New game! Guess The Prompt. Target image. Good luck, winner gets 10 Shadow Coins. :D
Wonder when there will be "reverse GenAI" tool that gets image as input and gives the prompt used as the output. :-P
whoa that's a big spam wave. Will go out of spam flags soon on that site. :/
OpenData, ManySpammers. :(
> The suspension period ends in 5 days
status-excited
:-)
12:52
@ShadowWizard IMO, the UI is... unintuitive
@ShadowWizard you know segmentation and img-to-text exists, right?
also, if you are talking about the exact prompt, it is also worth mentioning that some tool save it as extended data on the output image
13:16
@JourneymanGeek so, userscript. :D
@SPArcheon-onstrike ah, that would be nice.
@ShadowWizard its more a process thing - its "edit out the bit to redact and do a thing" rather than "redact specific versions"
@SPArcheon-onstrike image to text, isn't it just OCR?
there's good reasons for the implementation but I am personally not a fan
4 flags left on OpenData.SE ;(
@ShadowWizard .... Optical Characters Recognition VS Image to Text, how do these look the same?
13:17
@JourneymanGeek oh, bummer.
@SPArcheon-onstrike ah, so nope, didn't know about "image to text".
But wonder if it would be really correct, are there such things for free?
@ShadowWizard depends on what you consider correct.
if you assume that your prompt is made up of tags (because let be honest - most of the training material for many anime models come from those online image boards) then there is plenty of tools that would "describe" the picture using the same tags.
@SPArcheon-onstrike What is that, my very own Darth Vader suit to dress up in after I suffer severe injuries in some accident?
Well your ava is more macaroni than man
@ShadowWizard did you had something like this in mind?
13:32
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact penne for your thoughts?
@SPArcheon-onstrike no belt, no bow
13:54
@ElementsInSpace as for the bow, the tool probably interpreted the three layer dress as a bow. There is a red undershirt if you notice.
As for the belt, pretty bold for you to assume the image wasn't cropped.
better?
@JourneymanGeek My doughs cost more than pennies.
batter not
@SPArcheon-onstrike What do you get if you change "white bow" to "octopus"?
@ElementsInSpace .... I suggest you read the full exchange with Shadow...
I can see why you chose to crop the belt out, it’s the wrong colour.
14:04
it is not Text->Img.
it is Img->Text
as for the belt, I suggest you look up the word "Obi".
So the AI made up the white bow.
I just posted the output of the first captioning model I found. Some are even worse
(I still the image would be better with an octopus)
So, why would you need the machine to generate captions?
I don’t know what you would use that for.
Because a caption (or alt text) shouldn’t be really be a description of the image.
14:21
@ElementsInSpace its a start - and it sometimes is?
A start of what?
@SPArcheon-onstrike The belt is on the thigh ground.
14:57
@SPArcheon-onstrike well yes, though on second thought it would be impossible to know the original prompt unless it's kept alongside the image somehow.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact which thigh? Right? Or left?
yes
maybe its thigh high
I always wondered why such a complex word, where most other body parts have simple words. Leg. Foot. Hand. etc.
maybe they stole it from fancy people
hmm
ahh
> The word thigh comes from a Germanic source that means "the thick or fat part of the leg."
This explains a lot. :-D
!!/blame thigh
@ShadowWizard It's SPArcheon - on strike's fault.
15:03
noooo
15:19
Slow day today.... or people already started leaving. Spam up for long hours, no flags.
:/
(except my own.)
I've only got 2 flags left for OpenData.
WARNING WARNING WARNING
not there.
THIS IS NOT A DRILL.
15:20
INCOMING SCAM
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Q: We've made changes to our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy - July 2024

Cesar MWe’ve just made two adjustments to our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy. For the Terms of Service, we moved Copyright and DMCA information to a dedicated page. For the Privacy Policy, we updated some language, added the Teams Integrations Notice in there, as well as removed an old policy for an ...

scamming the scam
@SPArcheon-onstrike ah, I didn't even bother to read it.
But hey, I didn't downvote. Cesar is just the messenger in this case.
@SPArcheon-onstrike its minor tweaks to the existing one
@SPA but TL;DR; why is this scam in your opinion?
@Spevacus I popped the community team a request to keep an eye out
@JourneymanGeek It seems like they've calmed down for the day, but they had another wave a few days ago.
15:26
yup
but good to keep folks posted in case
Appreciate you asking them to help out, though <3
least I could do, and I think it does everyone involved good
other than the spammers. They can fry
> Note that we reserve the right to pursue legal action for submitting false or frivolous notices of copyright infringement
considering the last messages he posted, this seems a very direct warning to @AMtwo specifically.
pretty sure it is.
I no longer believe in "unfortunate coincidences"
15:31
That's something I expect every large company to do in the event that people misuse their compliance with DMCA takedown requests.
@Spevacus probably reloading spam fuel, or recruiting more botnets so they have fresh IP addresses to spam from.
@Spevacus and they realize that now, just about when users were questioning a possible violation of the license terms thanks to the recent data dump shenanigans.
pretty convenient
@SPArcheon-onstrike but why scam?
@ShadowWizard because I was trying to be polite.
Scam, as I know it, means trying to trick you into giving details you don't intend to give otherwise. So, wrong word?
15:33
I mean if you're submitting false DMCA requests... You should have some form of consequence. "Frivolous" is pretty broad-reaching terminology, but I wouldn't expect a court of law to observe that in an unreasonable fashion if push comes to shove.
@Spevacus I agree actually. Won't be fair if anyone can take down any post by just asking for it.
@Spevacus True, in normal circumstances I would have walked past it and never turned back.
also I don't think Amtwo wanted to do a copyright strike? He's mostly been trying to critique/open up what happened with the data dumps
Yet, posting that NOW seems passive aggressive at best.
15:36
Talking about walking, time to go home, hopefully the floor won't be wet. Cya!
@ShadowWizard Technically that's how it is right now, even after this change to the policy. I could submit a DMCA request for all of your top-scoring posts and Stack Exchange would need to comply legally-speaking. Obviously you should respond and say "Uh, no, Spevacus doesn't own that content", but in the interim SE HAS to respond to takedown requests.
@JourneymanGeek has been quite open in stating that he thinks there is a violation of the license.
@SPArcheon-onstrike a lot of these processes tend to take a while
@JourneymanGeek Sorry, that does not fly with me.
@SPArcheon-onstrike 1) I suspect a good chunk of the company is out of touch with ground conditions
15:39
They are still "checking with legal teams" for the open questions, somehow this had priority.
2) we don't 'really' have enough community managers, and they've shrunk down the team further. There's some other issues I've brought up where appropriate too... not sure what the responses would be
@SPArcheon-onstrike this is mostly a reorganisation
@SPArcheon-onstrike We do not know that this had priority. It is possible that this change was happening without reference to any of the goings-on. As Cesar said in the comments on the post a bit ago, this is something that they've been wanting to do for a long time and just hadn't yet.
One of the changes is literally removing references to a product that didn't exist in that form for years
@JourneymanGeek That is not the change we were commenting, and those are not the droids you were looking for.
@SPArcheon-onstrike I mean in terms of "why did this get done before the other open questions?"
cause it was 1) overdue 2) relatively simple
(compared to a full rewrite)
15:48
@JourneymanGeek "You are going to do some maintenance unrelated to anything else. Event A happens, so since you were already working on B you decide to cover your back and add some weirdly specific word discouraging users that may want to pursue legal actions on A"
I suspect its boilerplate. Easy enough to check tho
I think we can agree that lately multiple users have been questioning if the company actions are legal, and some even suggested the idea to "sue" them on a possible license violation - just go and read those comments.
@SPArcheon-onstrike People are too quick to threaten to sue
If they wanna light that candle, w/e. Not my fight. But I really don't think a pretty basic addendum to the DMCA compliance policy is a threat.
I just find it extremely convenient that "just now" a line pops up that basically says "BTW if our platoon of highly paid legal sharks wins about you pathetic nobody we may counter sue you"
now you may even go to say that maybe a similar line already existed.
but the point would be that now the line is being advertised at the same time people were treating to check the legality of the recent company actions.
Maybe I am reading too much into it, yet I still can's see this as a "coincidence"
15:59
You're assuming evil masterminds when its mostly people running around like headless chickens with their heads on fire
ugh
so, SO sent me an email confirming they approved my data portability request, which lead to another portal asking me to confirm my email address, which resulted in a key being sent to log into the portal to said email, which resulted in....
an acknowledgement they got my request
16:23
@JourneymanGeek Am I really "assuming" when ex employees disclosed that in the last two years of moderators begging for better tools and onboarding all some had on their mind was to find a legal way to restrict access to their assets - that being Subscriber Content - so that they could sell it to OpenAI and even make them pay an extra for "Exclusive access" to something that should be licensed under Creative Common?
When all points in Prosus seeing the network just as a resource to produce the "spice" like the giant worms on Arrakis?
Because let's be honest. The real point to the dump changes is not to "protect us" from the "here be lions" dwellers that want to steal our data for their LLM without ethical attribution.
It is just to paywall access so that those same actors make them money.
@SPArcheon-onstrike I don't think they plan that far ahead - I actually think the local tptb just want to run a SAAS business
16:47
@JourneymanGeek different viewpoints. By now imagine them singing "Tensai Doronbo"
17:07
oh.
A wild Andreas appeared.
Just wait they read the messages above
@SPArcheon-onstrike Somebody spent too much time on Kik.
Wait, no, Discord uses that line, too. Nevermind.
@SPArcheon-onstrike I’m busy.
@SPArcheon-onstrike Wild wilderness wild of wild appearances with wild bewilderness.
17:53
@SPArcheon-onstrike I actually don’t think that’s targeted at AMtwo, either. It also would not surprise me if they planned the inclusion of that sentence long ago. People at SE must’ve assumed that killing the data dumps would seriously upset a lot of users. Well, AMtwo did say that to Prashanth.
Additionally, the OpenAI and Google agreements did spur rebellion from users outside the core community, making many people attempt to remove or destroy the content on the sites. They may have considered this sentence a necessary inclusion to guard against the next step from that group.
@SPArcheon-onstrike The sooner they can include it, the better (from their point of view). At the same time, they could not make too controversial changes too early in the process (the process of slowly tearing down resistance against a change in some area).
@Spevacus Does a threat of countersuing even need to be mentioned in the first place, though? It’s not like the ommittance of that sentence takes away SE’s right to pursue users for maliciously and incorrectly going after them in the legal system?
@JourneymanGeek I think he stated in an answer that he will attempt to revoke SE the right to use any of his content, thereby leading to the removal of his posts from both the data dumps, and the sites.
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, now you’re giving the company too much benefit of the doubt, again. ;)
@SPArcheon-onstrike Would not surprise me if they actually intend to never respond to that, because there will be no consequences if they simply ignore it. You threaten with legal implications, but none of those actually apply to SE, because the legal system by itself won’t take action, and pursuing it takes more resources than any user here is willing to contribute.
In effect, SE can fully safely simply ignore all these requests for clarification, etc. There is no policing to ensure the law is followed, only the helpless concerned citizen preaching the law is broken.
@JourneymanGeek It does not require a community manager to interact with the community on these matters of legal subjects. I am not sure if they employ lawyers themselves, or if they buy services from a firm, but if they do employ people with legal education (and the appropriate title), these people could answer questions on MSE directly.
@JourneymanGeek I’ll believe them when I see them do it. Same with all those threats or mentions of moderators resigning. Did I mention my thoughts on last year’s strike? People were way too motivated to quit striking.
@JourneymanGeek Try shooting ice balls at them.
@JourneymanGeek Sure, I’ll agree a lot of what’s happening at SE is due to incompetence. Sure, management seems to be acting as headless chicken running around, at times. They still have some clear goals. Just because they’re not masterminds, does not mean they don’t have evil goals, bad intentions, or are acting in bad faith.
Doing the wrong thing isn’t that hard to do if you’re comfortable doing it.
@SPArcheon-onstrike Yes and no. Where your knowledge ends, and your assumption starts, there is usually a smooth transition. An assumption isn’t wrong, not founded in reality, or a thought not reasonable, just because you are unable to confirm or disprove it yet.
@SPArcheon-onstrike Yes.
@SPArcheon-onstrike Yes.
@JourneymanGeek But they do, unless you consider a multitude of obvious signs untrustworthy, and the testaments of former staff as false.
@Feeds You’re interrupting. Go away.
 
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23:17
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact to be honest, SE lacks the courage to do this :D
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact as a moderator, and a somewhat activist one, I've somewhat of an insight into these things
I'm giving the company the benefit of the doubt there because I'm aware many parts of the company are under resourced
I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt about why the company is underresourced and how they are managing human resources

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